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Time to dismantle the Dream Team


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 30 Nov 2009 at 18:29
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Our resident brain-on-a-stick Morne pointed out a little while ago that Peter de Villiers may be erring by not stamping his own authority on the Boks. I maintain that the recent disastrous tour is a pretty compelling indication that the majority of senior Springbok players are wallowing in a sea of complacency caused by virtually guaranteed selection.

If we look at the Bok team today, there has been remarkably little attrition, with virtually the entire side unchanged from the combination that won the World Cup under Jake White in 2007. While de Villiers has, in hindsight, probably done well to retain the core of this squad, together with the comfortable conservative gameplan in which they are all so well versed, the 2009 season surely has to be a watershed one, after which a new approach must be tried with a view to 2011. A new approach and, dare I say, a whole new bunch of players too?

Watching the Irish test with my mate Agent Orange, the consensus we came to was that the Bok simply didn’t want to win it as badly as the Irish did. The same appalling laissez-faire attitude was evident against the Italians and the French as well, with the former fortunately not quite good enough to manage to win. The French had no such issue. I wonder whether the cosy “old boys club” or “closed shop” mentality of the current Bok squad hasn’t led directly to this situation, where the senior players have no real incentive to raise their game, since they know they can’t be dropped.

Here’s a question. When last was a senior Springbok dropped? I mean one of the 40-test veterans that were the backbone of Jake’s side? Guys have missed out on tests through injury and a number have been cast aside because they’ve decided to move overseas. I cannot, over the course of two seasons, remember a single one of these guys actually being dropped as a result of poor form.

This leads to two problems, of course – and complacency on the part of the veterans is probably not the worst of them. Far more serious is the sense of futility that will gradually creep into the minds of the next tier, leading them either to seek foreign paydays themselves, or to simply give up and become complacent themselves. Guys like Danie Rossouw, Wynand Olivier and Ryan Kankowski seem to fall very much into the latter bucket too – far from pushing the incumbents hard, they seem content to cash their cheques and pick up whatever scraps of gametime they are afforded. A far cry from the sheer passion shown by outsiders like Hein Brussow or Jean Deysel, when finally afforded an opportunity to play.

So what do we do? Right now, the whole thing is a mess, with a core of complacent, dare I say lazy, players who we can’t drop for fear of losing even more games. We have a bunch of “second stringers” who are, if anything, worse than the incumbents and then we have “the rest” – and when it comes to the latter group, we seem to have no real idea where anyone stands in any sort of pecking order, as was evident from the selection of the Bok midweek team. My somewhat radical solution here is to, quite simply, DROP EVERYONE and make every single player play for national colours in the 2010 Super 14. Every fit man who pulls on the jersey in that competition is eligible and at the end of it, we pick our first Bok team of the year on current form alone.

If the Smits, Matfields, Bothas, du Preezs and Steyns are really that good, then they’ll be there anyway, not so? But perhaps, just perhaps, the process of needing to actually play for their positions might just focus their minds a little more on how truly prviliged they are to wear such a distinguished jersey. They’ll certainly do it with more pride as well.

Just a thought…



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  • well, there is a case for continuity and the “form is temporary, class is permanent” school of thought as well as the “you can’t drop that kind of experience” way of thinking, but i think that div would be wise to drop boks who are off-form, and if the reason for their lack of form is that they are tired, well then they will benefit from the rest while being able to play themselves back into the team, all the while div will be building depth for if and when injuries strike, so, i think it’s a good idea as long as those boks who are dropped are not left completely out of the selection frame.

  • Comment 1, posted at 30.11.09 18:49:45 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 1) : no, most definitely not. But see the immediate impact being dropped, even for 1 game, had on a player like Beast. Suddenly lit that fire right up again.

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.11.09 18:57:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : look, i think it could go well or badly, i mean the (as of yet not confirmed :roll: ) arrival of willem alberts could spur kanko on to new heights of spectacular play, or it could see him leave the sharks in a huff,

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.11.09 19:02:28 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 3) : yeah, but if he leaves because he can’t command a first team place on form, then it says a fair bit about him, doesn’t it? There can be no free rides for anyone, regardless of how talented they are.

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.11.09 19:06:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : true that, i think we may be surprised at how fickle some “stars” are, they are used to getting things their own way

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.11.09 19:08:43 by war1 Reply
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  • Schalk Burger has done well since he lost his place to Brussow. Now that Juan Smith is out injured i think Burger knows he needs to perform or the likes of Deysel and Pottie might just overtake him…

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.11.09 19:22:16 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 6) : askies? What games did you watch?

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.11.09 19:27:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : sorry Rob this is rubbish! If we followed your line of thinking and the Ab’s Wobblies put 50 past us and even england would beat us if we droppped the experienced team. Here are facts 1 Non stop rugby since 2007 for 15 out of the current squad and for most of them they have played 2000 minutes this year alone that is 25 games in 42 weeks plus training etc. the guys are stuffed! On Beast maybe he joins the lazy bunch and a trip to the bench a wake up call to him Maybe but i think not try stuffed and the break came at the right time
    The one thing I do know that a repeat of the amount of rugby for these guys next year and we will have a team of no hopers going to the world cup because the wear and tear on the bodies will have caught up with them there will be no smitty no victor no bakkies no one defending the medal they won.
    to answer a question which i hope was retorical when was the l

  • Comment 8, posted at 30.11.09 20:02:17 by Fattmann Reply
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  • When last was a senior Springbok dropped what thave they done to deserve being dropped? other than play their hears out and give until they no more to give
    Sorry sir your are backing the wrong horse or maybe you want wholsale changes to the bok side and se us get thrashed by all and sundry then you can moan about that

  • Comment 9, posted at 30.11.09 20:04:37 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 5) : what evidence do you have of that or is that your opinion that you want to be fact

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.11.09 20:05:51 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 10) : the “i think” part moves it into the realms of my opinion, but i know people who know the players and I’ve met some of them in my time and a lot of them seem to have big egos and are used to getting their own way, not all players are like this, im sure

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.11.09 20:51:08 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 11) : accepted and im not saying that they are not however when someone can take his bun and run say FDP and earn 4mil a year in france plus bonuses and doesnt have to take abuse or have people dig at them-if he were you would you stay to take the nonsence that the job entails or would you take the money? My fear is after this year with all they have achieved gets lost because we throw stones where its undeserved and they say stuff it do I need this?

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.11.09 20:58:54 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 9) : well – I guess we’re not going to agree all of the time :)

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.11.09 21:01:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 12) : i think in the end what we say means very little to them, for better or worse

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.11.09 21:58:39 by war1 Reply
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  • Which senior players would you drop? And who would you bring in in their places?

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.11.09 22:28:59 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 15) : what I mean is that I would start next year with a clean slate when it comes to selection… pick a team based on Super 14 form, not on past achievements. I can’t tell you now who would be dropped and who would be picked since I can’t see into the future.

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.11.09 23:12:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : Here is my problem with this line of thought. I think most of us are in agreement that the senior Boks need a rest quite badly. With this start over philosophy none of the senior boks will get the much needed break. They will all want to play in every Super 14 match every minute to prove their worth for their place. I so it is time to manage these senior players through 2011. Not in a wholesale manner like the ABs did in 2007, but rather rest on an as needed individual basis. The ABs have it right this time resting McCaw for the first three games of the Super 14. The time to start all over will be in 2012, then the senior Boks can decide if they would rather play on or retire. So I suppose it is not a bad idea, just bad timing.

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.12.09 02:30:32 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : to illustrate my point this mornings news24.com
    Johannesburg – If you are a top soccer player, then 2010 will be the year that you would want to do your best, but next year will be a fight for survival for South Africa’s best rugby players.

    To make the grade for the 2011 World Cup in New Zealand, might be a bridge too far for some players who have played plenty of rugby at the highest level.

    And after two Test defeats during the recent European tour, Bok coach, Peter de Villiers pleaded that the country’s players must apply themselves judiciously.

    This is a concept that is put forward every year, but the coach means that it must be magnified after an exceptional year for SA rugby ended on a low note.

    “This was a very long season and it is clear that many players are psychologically and physically exhausted,” said Peter de Villiers in a statement.

    “The biggest worry is the snowball effect that is caused by all the rugby that was played by Springbok players over the last three years, because we know that it enhances the risk of injury in the next year.”

    According to the coach, training and match schedules should be looked at. A workshop for the Bok coaching staff and South Africa’s provincial coaches will be held soon to discuss these aspects.

    According to De Villiers, many players have played more than 2000 minutes of rugby in the Super 14, the British and Irish Lions, Tri Nations and the Currie Cup, as well as the European Tour.

    “Despite the disappointing ending, we cannot take away the successes of the best team in the world in 2009.”

    Experienced players such as John Smit, Bakkies Botha, Victor Matfield, Fourie du Preez, Schalk Burger and Bryan Habana have formed the backbone of the Springbok team for the last couple of seasons.

    The question is if they will still have enough fuel in the tank to once again lead the Boks to glory in 2011 if they continue to play the same amount of matches over the next two seasons.

    Du Preez, South Africa’s rugby player of the year, actually said that he almost decided earlier this year that he wanted to hang up his boots after the 2009 season because he does not enjoy the game anymore.

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.12.09 06:33:25 by Fattmann Reply
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  • The Du Preez article covered elswhere says that he had enough of the criticism whic is not about his play but about him so in response [email protected]war1 (Comment 14) : they get the message from the people. I am the first on to say hey we played badly but i dont hold to kicking a person when he is down. 2010 is going to be a poor year for sa rugby with some of the established players dipping in form getting crocked but 2011 we will defend the RWC crown-with most of the players that played this week

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.12.09 06:40:13 by Fattmann Reply
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  • A good kick on the backside and proper rest will be the best medicine in 2010 for 2011, AND using this opportunity to create depth, because it WILL come to haunt us in 2011.

    My wishlist for 2010:
    1. A proper back-up for Bakkies
    2. Two proper, regular tightheads
    3. Blooding a new captain (Dewald Potties spring to mind)
    4. Finding a decent No8 backup for Spies (Kanko’s had his chance. Sorry bud)
    5. The 2nd inline flyhalf. (Worried about Morne behind a retreating pack…)
    6. A decent No12 if Jean can’t play. (Wynand had a great year, but does he have the hands and vision required for this possie?)

    7. S14 trophy for the SHARKS!!!!

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.12.09 07:26:23 by catfish Reply
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  • @catfish (Comment 20) : you have quite a good list, I wish we could have all we wanted, hmm, let me see how this may pan out:

    1. Stephen Sykes
    2. BJ, CJ, Jannie?
    3. Not so sure bout pottie, this may be the boks biggest problem post-2011
    4. Willem Alberts?
    5. 2nd biggest problem for boks, give Peter Grant more game time at 10, otherwise watch for a youngster to really step up, ruan boshoff or lionel cronje come to mind
    6. In my opinion Walter Venter is the best no.12 in the country at the moment
    7. We should have the squad to do it, now it depends on the coaching staff to get the team spirit and gameplan in place, we will see

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.12.09 08:38:47 by war1 Reply
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  • To address the tighthead situation I need to ask a question How bad a tight head is John Smit? yes he has battled but who really got the better of him? not the AB’s the short bloke from the wallabies gave him a hard time but he didnt show him up. The rest the lions only in the last test when bakkies wasnt there-i notice that john seemed to battle when Bakkies was not there behind him so maybe the problem lies in who is pushing on his side!
    France a couple of observations for the French game-the 2 games that SA struggled in the front row was when wWayne Barnes reffed That aside small loose head.Seems like this is an area that John needs to address and it will come with more game time in the position BTW Sheridan also struggles with small TH hence Jake picking BJ for the games against England. From what i understand it has to do with the hit and the smaller guy getting under the bigger man.Alos french Front row technique is similar to Sa TH more forword that the rest of the front row with loose head pulling back slightly small diagnonal line so when the hit come Smitty is over exteneded hence he turns in and penalty or we get popped Its a technique thing that can be fixed by a scrum doctor-OS or Ballie
    another year at tight head will solve 80% of johns problems BTW John at TH is not why we lost to france it was being beaten to the loose ball same against Ireland. So that is the area we have to fix not so much the scrums. Attack ball comes from Loose play and lineout

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.12.09 08:44:09 by Fattmann Reply
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  • 1.I think Sykes couls be the guy
    2.BJ and?
    3.Dewald, Strauss
    4 There u have me
    5.PASS
    6.get Franscois Steyn back
    7. I am with you on that one!

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.12.09 08:44:11 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 21) :

    SteVen.. ;-)

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 24) : ok, my bad, maar as dit my seun was, sou ek dit stephen gespel het ;-)

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.12.09 08:49:53 by war1 Reply
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  • i don’t buy this ‘overplayed’ nonsense. The All Blacks played just as much rugby, yet they still seem to have pride in the jersey. If the guys are so tired, why are they all playing for the Barbarians this weekend?

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.12.09 08:51:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 23) : With you on Francois Steyn! Then the “bad loser” in me would also like to give Brad Barrit a few test caps just to make him ineligible for the POMS. Awesome talent to go to waste in a white jersey.

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.12.09 08:55:21 by catfish Reply
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  • @catfish (Comment 27) : i think its too late, i think he is ineligible for the boks now thanks to his saxons caps :sad:

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.12.09 08:58:00 by war1 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : well they did not play in the air new zealand cup, that may have helped, plus they had a point to prove while the boks did not really, though there is no excuse for the boks

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  • @war1 (Comment 28) :

    Ja – I think BB is gone for the boks – played for EngA or something.. :cry:

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.12.09 09:14:45 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : not true Rob they played less rugby that our guys they are also smarter with the guys taking a break and rotate 2 squads in games there are 2 distinct AB teams and we beat both Alos most AB’s didnt play Air new Zealand cup and for the most part plyed 2 games less in the S14

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.12.09 09:19:26 by Fattmann Reply
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  • I’m failing to understand how you want to do this Rob, tell all the players that they have to earn their positions? Surely they’re told that every time? The problem is there are no real standouts in the wings. And I certainly won’t drop Jacque Fourie for some fresh face that hasn’t been part of the team setup for a while. You can’t make wholesale changes in one swift movement, they need to tour with the team, possibly bench sit for a while and then move up.

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.12.09 09:19:39 by molly Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) :

    I thought the top All Blacks were rested during their domestic competition while all our Boks were playing CC rugby!!! :roll:

  • Comment 33, posted at 01.12.09 09:44:04 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 33) : but if you only ever rest the guys during the domestic competition, then you never get a chance to gauge whether they actually are better than the up-and-comers. It becomes an ivory tower thing, where the top guys play tests only and everybody else can never get a look-in because they don’t get a chance to play against the incumbents.

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.12.09 09:57:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : Rob yes terday Dancing Bear, gave me some potentially disappointing move, please tell me is Deon Going to WP? :cry: or is he staying at the Sharks :grin:

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.12.09 10:10:21 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 35) : I heard a rumour that he wanted to move to WP, but if it does happen, it will probably only be after 2010. I believe his contract will be up then.

    Likewise, it seems as though Waylon Murray will definitely be around at least until the end of the 2010 Super 14.

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.12.09 10:14:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 35) : :oops: move = news

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 35) & @robdylan (Comment 36) : That can’t be true, WP/Stormers don’t buy props.

  • Comment 38, posted at 01.12.09 10:18:52 by molly Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : Oh thank goodness for both bits of news! My day is looking better now :) Would hate to see Deon leave the SHarks!

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  • @molly (Comment 38) : Yes I thought that the whole thing sounded strange :)

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  • @molly (Comment 38) : OLD props, though? I mean, there must be an intersection point. Maybe if the player is above the cut-off age (33) then it doesn’t matter so much if he’s a prop

  • Comment 41, posted at 01.12.09 10:25:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) : how old is Deon? or are we talking Deon Kayser? I presumed it was Carstens, I’m wrong aren’t I, its Keyser.

  • Comment 42, posted at 01.12.09 10:28:11 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 42) : I was talking about Carstens not Kayser

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 39) : Deon got married recently… and his wife seems to have Mrs Fourie Syndrome

  • Comment 44, posted at 01.12.09 10:30:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 42) : Keyser is more the right age to join province… as a player :)

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  • @molly (Comment 42) :

    hehehe

    He might just be old enough for Rassie’s liking. ;-)

    Nah, its Carstens… the overrated prop from the Sharks!!! :mrgreen:

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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : I thought that syndrome was contained in Gauteng! Now its caught in KZN :evil: But seriously who would leave Durbs for CT? CT is magnificent but that weather and cold sea would put me off staying there longer than a holiday.

  • Comment 47, posted at 01.12.09 10:38:16 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Thinking about what Rob wants to do and maybe we need to take a leaf out of th AB’s book here and create 2 completely different teams who can play tests and learn to replace the older ones
    Remember when we sent the B side to Aus & NZ before the RWC we should adopt the same thing here
    Play the a side againt The Frogs B side italy EOYT b side some tri-nations B side resting the A team as musch as possible in the sceme of things how important is the tri-nations next year let the AB’s win it then they will lose the RWC!!!
    so having said that
    15 A Zane Kirshener B Jantjies or Danille or???
    14 A JPP B Odwa or Mapoe or????
    11 A Habana B Nokwe
    13 A Mossie B Jacobs? or ????
    12 A JDV(should be)Olivier B ???????
    10 A Ruan or Steyn B Ruan or Steyn ?????
    09 A FDP B ??????
    08 A Spies B Kanko or ????
    07 A Smith B Deysel
    06 A Broussow/Scalla B Pottie ????
    05 A Fai B Bekker
    04 A Bakkies B your guess is as good as mine
    03 A Smitty/BJ B Duplessis???
    02 A Bis/Smitty B Chili???
    01 A Beast B ?????

    so what do you think
    12 A

  • Comment 48, posted at 01.12.09 10:46:08 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 48) : it’s already a huge improvement, if you ask me. The only way your second tier gets good at playing test rugby is by playing test rugby.

  • Comment 49, posted at 01.12.09 11:22:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) : i agree but who would be that second tier I dont really think the selectors know and in the next year they have to find out or come RWC we are dead

  • Comment 50, posted at 01.12.09 11:26:42 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 50) : yes – that’s why we need to look at form in the Super 14 :) And maybe a trial match. I love those.

  • Comment 51, posted at 01.12.09 11:44:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • Where is Bryce when you need him.
    If I remember he was a huge proponent of a second tier Bok team playing tough games and getting the necessary exposure.

  • Comment 52, posted at 01.12.09 17:02:59 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : trials r a waste of time s14 yes some players will shine also horses 4 courses policy

  • Comment 53, posted at 01.12.09 17:09:05 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 52) : bryce… who knows? The dude had a serious brain implosion and disappeared

  • Comment 54, posted at 01.12.09 17:16:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 52) : I have been saying for a few years now that there be an A Team Tri-Nations. Each of the three countries (four with Argentina) select a 30 man squad for the tournament. The A team plays mid week before the Saturday test. This way some players can play in the mid week and bench in the test. Allows for a second tier to play on the international stage on a regular basis.

  • Comment 55, posted at 01.12.09 22:16:09 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I am sooooo sick and tired of the Bokke and the Proteas, maybe after Xmast & New Year I’ll have the power to think what will be the best. :roll:

    Lets start with Maties in the Varsity Cup in the new year then Stormers then Bokke.

    2009 RIP

  • Comment 56, posted at 02.12.09 08:36:20 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 56) : with you. The emotional rollercoaster takes its toll

  • Comment 57, posted at 02.12.09 08:51:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 56) :

    There’s always Bafana Bafana you know!! :mrgreen:

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  • Still the 3-0 drubbing of the All Blacks made up for any other loss, 2 years beating them at home I’ll trade for nothing in the world of rugby.

    Their dismantle of the Hane comes to me as no surprise on the weekend, the Hane simply dont have the same gameplan we played against them and good on the history books and hopefull this wil carry on for many a year. I’ll lose anyday against the Hane and Iere at this stage to the pain it can bring losing in a WC tournament.

    Losing the tour midweek matches is a bit painfull but also no surprise.

    Hoping Snor will play next year NH Xpats on the same tour like Wikus van Heerden, Frans Steyn, Jean, Marius CJ, BJ and Daan Human as a example and simply let the top Boks rest this time.

    It will have a lot of benefits, see the way those players fit in the Bok enviroment, they’ll know the NH players, stadiums , exct and just maybe we can use them coming the WC in NZ.

  • Comment 59, posted at 02.12.09 09:13:30 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) : you up early must be the babies

  • Comment 60, posted at 02.12.09 09:17:10 by Fattmann Reply
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  • but a lot of truth in the article. Understand the players had their families with them on the tour. No wonder Bakkies back pack up before the Iere test and this twitter stuff going around. They should have keep their Mrse twitter fit then playing golf and having a vacation I think. Maybe a KampStaaldraad before the next WC will put them in good stead I suppose.

    Hell where were the days we struggle to get a international test in the good old days.

  • Comment 61, posted at 02.12.09 09:18:59 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 60) : 7h20 early, come on pajama drill is through the whole night.

  • Comment 62, posted at 02.12.09 09:21:16 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 62) : been there done that got that tea shirt wore it till it fell off
    having a dig at the man ive been at it since 5 am here and i cant blame babies for that

  • Comment 63, posted at 02.12.09 09:39:21 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 60) : spot on :)

  • Comment 64, posted at 02.12.09 10:04:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 63) : Ja thats life, go to bed like a bull with a hurt horn, baby get you up early, lekker time. Wish I can have it all over again. Once you been there, you stay there. The quicker you adobt , the better. :cool:

  • Comment 65, posted at 02.12.09 10:58:16 by PaarlBok Reply

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