Baldrick

Are you in or out?


Written by Alan Williams (Baldrick)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content, Sharks on 7 Dec 2009 at 17:50
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Presently, the Lions are locked in a number of legal battles, not releasing players to play elsewhere after their contracts apparently have more loopholes than Holland’s dykes.

After Jaque Fourie got out of his because he was technically a “technical advisory” with no set salary, he was free to move to the Stormers.

Louis Ludik and Willem Alberts are presently in training in Durban – if reports are to be believed – even though they are still under contract to play for the Lions, apparently.

Lots of apparentlies, maybes and so on in this sorry mess.

It does raise a number of issues.

1. Why were proper contracts not in place?
2. Why are the Unions trying to cling on to players who obviously don’t want to be there?
3. Why are players not honouring long term contracts – if they were willing to sign them in the first place?
4. Why won’t the Lions just get over the time and huge costs and just release the players without resorting to, “The Sharks never sent us an official offer, so they can’t have them..”

Grow up guys, this is not a sandpit fight between 4 year-olds and you can’t go running to mommy to “tell on”.

The Lions stuck with Fourie through numerous injuries and now he’s waving them goodbye, apparently with some ill-will. Where does the blame lie and what is the solution?

I put it squarely at the door of player agents. If they are to act as advisers, legal or otherwise, it should be their duty to protect the interests of their clients – before they take a healthy commission. How can anyone, reporting to represent the interests of a player, not follow through with a contract to make sure it is complete and every party is bound to a set of rules?

The solution. Ideally, get rid of these money-grabbing sycophants who live vicariously through their client, and are well reimbursed for poor service delivery. Ideally.

The other, more realistic way is to follow the route of football overseas where a transfer fee is paid if a player wants to move. Imagine the small unions who generally unearth most of the quality players and who would manage rather well by developing and selling off players.



69 Comments

  • Would be good to get an agent’s input on this, and why Fourie’s contract listed him apparently as a technical advisor. Or that there was no amount filled in on the “Salary: R xxxx” section.

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.12.09 18:15:14 by Baldrick Reply
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  • Lions CEO Manie Reynecke is adamant that the union’s latest signing, Cheetahs scrumhalf JP Joubert, will play for the Jo’ burg franchise in next year’s Super 14 despite an ongoing dispute over the player’s contract.

    The Golden Lions and the Free State Rugby Union are currently locked in a contractual dispute over the validity of Joubert’s contract and the matter will go before an arbitrator on January 21 next year.

    The latest dispute follows the recent arbitration hearing of Springbok centre Jaque Fourie after the World Cup-winner was allowed to move from the Lions to the Stormers for next year’s Super 14.

    Joubert has already taken up the Lions’ offer and he has joined the squad for Super 14 preparations, despite the Cheetahs’ claims that he is bound by a valid contract to them until October 2011.

    “According to JP’s agent and lawyer, he didn’t have a valid contract with the Free State Rugby Union and is why we offered him a contract with the Lions,” Reynecke told rugby365.com.

    “I don’t know the details [as to why he didn't have a valid contract with Free State] but we made him an offer a while back and he accepted it.

    “He’s already joined our pre-season squad for training and I expect him to be a part of the Lions Super 14 squad next year.”

    The Fourie saga has already forced the Golden Lions Rugby Union to resign the bulk of their players while the union is playing ‘hardball’ by not signing clearance certificates for No.8 Willem Alberts and fullback Louis Ludik, who have both been named in the Sharks’ pre-season training squad.

    In a recent interview with rugby365.com, Golden Lions president Kevin de Klerk admitted that Alberts and Ludik have exactly the same ‘loopholes’ in their contracts that saw Fourie win his arbitration case – a fact that was also confirmed by Piet Heymans, the CEO of the South African Rugby Players Association.

    De Klerk also said they are unhappy about the fact that Alberts and Ludik are already training in Durban, which is also against the ‘letter of the law’, as they have not been signed off by the Lions.

    However, the Lions are now doing exactly the same by allowing Joubert to train with the team without clarity over the validity of his contract.

    By Ebrahim Moerat

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.12.09 07:24:41 by wpw Reply
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  • If you look up “the pot calling the kettle black” in the dictionary, they will refer you to the above post from WPW.

    Lions are making themselves look entirely unprofessional right now, which is hardly the signal they should be sending out.

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.12.09 07:43:54 by Baldrick Reply

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  • Happy birthday Blackshark :smile:

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.12.09 08:22:07 by Pokkel (Rugby's over, back to fishing) Reply
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  • happy happy haaaaaaaaappppy :razz: to Blackshark

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.12.09 09:02:34 by rekinek Reply
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  • looks like a good time to be an attorney specialising in sports law :mrgreen:

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.12.09 09:03:13 by rekinek Reply
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  • I hate the off season.

    I can officially say that in 2009, on this day….. NOTHING HAPPENED

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.12.09 10:29:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • Thanks a lot friends…I will deffo have fun and send the bill to Sharksworld.

    @Rob…LOL…off season…ja neh…

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.12.09 10:36:57 by blackshark Reply

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  • HAPPY BIRTHDAY BLACKSHARK, may it be a healthy bill too.

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.12.09 10:40:21 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Wasn’t Kevin de Klerk brought in to fix up the mess at the Lions?

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.12.09 10:43:26 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) :
    Why dont you make up a few stories, it will help if you want to become a fulltime journalist.

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.12.09 10:43:47 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Happy Happy Blackshark!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.12.09 10:49:28 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 11) :

    Howzit dude??

    Did you see the utter garbage Voldy put up yesterday??

    Simon apparently interviewed Divvie!! :roll:

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.12.09 10:51:59 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 13) : So WPW do your neighbours ask you for loans :evil:

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.12.09 11:05:51 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 13) :
    Howzit Wes and Sharksworlders,
    I saw that, left me wondering if it was really Simon and more in wonderment why PDivvy even bothered to see the interview through.

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.12.09 11:10:51 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 14) :
    :twisted:

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.12.09 11:12:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 14) :

    hehehe

    Nah, I am surrounded by witou’s!!! ;-) :twisted:

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.12.09 11:14:16 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 15) : That interview was in such poor taste! I am surprised PDV didn’t take offence, I certainly would have!

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.12.09 11:16:02 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 17) : :lol:

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.12.09 11:16:27 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 18) :
    I would have walked out, but then can you imagine what crap would have been written.

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.12.09 11:25:55 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Happy Birthday Blackshark !!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.12.09 11:37:17 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) : This country is the antithesis of the UK, OZ and NZ! In those countries no matter how badly they do the press sing their praises in this country no matter how well a coach/player performs he gets slated and demeaned by our media.

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.12.09 11:40:16 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • “You said it, not me” :twisted: PDV jou lekke ding :twisted:

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.12.09 11:40:32 by Charlie Reply

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  • HAPPY Birthday Blackshark!!! And Charlie a belated Happy birthday for you I noticed it was yesterday :grin:

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.12.09 11:42:14 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 22) : I would say through winning the 95 WC unity was created, but with the 2007 WC it done more harm and diversity :evil:

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.12.09 11:43:34 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 24) : Thanx alot, and to everyone for all the birthday wishes yesterday…LOVE U ALL !!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.12.09 11:45:57 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 25) :
    That seems to be true now, not at the time of the victory, but I dont understand why

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.12.09 11:48:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 10) :

    If your cast your mind back to 2006, Kevin de Klerk was the guy that insisted in an independent investigation into the Lions financial and organisational affairs.

    He apparently represented clubs and ex-rugby players who were concerned about the situation at the union…

    This led to their ex-ref CEO to be fired effectively…

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.12.09 11:48:42 by Morné Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 25) : Agree.

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.12.09 11:49:48 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 27) :

    I blame the media!! :roll:

    And the ‘third force’ :twisted:

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.12.09 12:19:33 by wpw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 28) : so he finally got what he wanted, in other words…

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.12.09 12:31:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 22) : nah – the media here in the UK can be pretty savage at times. More towards the footballers, admittedly.

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.12.09 12:32:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : Okai, was just taking it from the BIL tour where you would think that they had won the tour rather than one game :)

    Talking of Football, looks like I will be missing the WC. WC comes to SA and I go to Europe :evil: But my gran is getting very old and I really do not whant to have another winter (since summer is already 2 months overdue here) so looks like June will see me on the Med. Any of you guys going to WC? Durban has a lousy draw except for the semi and Brazil vs Portugal. The rest are the big guns against minnows not very exciting :(

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.12.09 12:44:57 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 33) :

    Bafana Bafana will win the World Cup!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.12.09 12:48:35 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 34) : I am just hoping they will knock France out :twisted:
    My Italians got an “easy” draw which worries me greatly. Gli Azzurri are like the Sharks they do not do too well against the weaker teams :???:

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.12.09 13:06:59 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 34) : pass the pipe, you’re hogging

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.12.09 13:20:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 35) :

    hehehe

    Ok. On a serious note, I hope Spain win the World Cup.

    Rob, will you be rooting for England??? :shock:

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.12.09 13:27:58 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 37) : Of course I am rooting for my old men from Italy :) But should they falter I will be for the first time EVER be rooting for England – They are coached by an Italian, who also coached my fave team – Juventus – So essentially I am rooting for Italy and Capello :)

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.12.09 13:47:03 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 38) : Sorry getting confused with Rugby I mean England team manager = Capello :oops: I am demoting my own country man

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.12.09 13:49:26 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • I don’t care much for round ball :roll:

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.12.09 13:55:34 by Pokkel (Rugby's over, back to fishing) Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Rugby’s over, back to fishing) (Comment 40) : When there is rugby me too! But failing any rugby I am desperate enough to try round ball! Can’t stand all that diving and Oscar winning performances! Prefer the hard men of rugby

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.12.09 14:00:17 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 37) : once Bafana get knocked out (first round) I will certainly support England. Until they get knocked out (second round) and then I’ll support Germany or Holland

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.12.09 14:02:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : at least Q Cooper keeps us entertained :roll:

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.12.09 14:08:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : I saw they have it EASY :mrgreen:

    since Poland didn’t make it I think I will stick with Germany.

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.12.09 14:14:58 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 43) : or he would if he could remember :)

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.12.09 14:21:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : maybe once he read papers it will come back to him :mrgreen:

  • Comment 46, posted at 08.12.09 14:31:16 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 46) : or sees the CCTV footage :)

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.12.09 14:49:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : :lol:

  • Comment 48, posted at 08.12.09 15:05:46 by rekinek Reply
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  • I’ve heard of people getting up to all kinds of mishief when drunk, but breaking into a house and stealing laptops?

    And then coming up with the ‘I can’t remember’ excuse. :roll:

  • Comment 49, posted at 08.12.09 15:17:58 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 49) : are you suggesting a set up :roll:

  • Comment 50, posted at 08.12.09 15:21:02 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 50) : I’m suggesting ‘a big fat lie’. :twisted:

  • Comment 51, posted at 08.12.09 15:23:39 by McLovin Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 50) : I think it’s a drunken student prank gone wrong, to be honest.

  • Comment 52, posted at 08.12.09 15:23:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 51) : I think Mr Cooper’s pants might be on fire. :wink:

  • Comment 53, posted at 08.12.09 15:24:30 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 51) : too boring :lol:

  • Comment 54, posted at 08.12.09 15:25:19 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : ya – can’t imagine that he is in need of money. kleptomaniac

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  • @rekinek (Comment 55) : :oops: :oops:
    supposed to be kleptomaniac.

  • Comment 56, posted at 08.12.09 15:27:16 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 56) : eh? Isn’t that what it says?

  • Comment 57, posted at 08.12.09 15:39:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • Kak interview with PdV on Voldy…that’s on a magazine? The kind people pay for?

    Naturally I’ll support Bafana until they get knocked out in the last 32…then it will be Germany until they lose to Spain in the final…then I’ll support Spain during the post-match presentation…

  • Comment 58, posted at 08.12.09 15:43:13 by blackshark Reply

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  • Only roundball I support is female beach volleyball. :twisted:

  • Comment 59, posted at 08.12.09 15:58:31 by McLovin Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 58) : kinda the reason I’m loath to spend money on SA Rugby mag.

  • Comment 60, posted at 08.12.09 16:14:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) : the sentence was supposed to be “kleptomaniac perhaps”. I got distracted when writing, then got distracted when tried to make amendments and made a bigger mess :roll: :lol:

  • Comment 61, posted at 08.12.09 16:20:40 by rekinek Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 58) : :mrgreen:
    thanx to John and Charlize poor Bafana Bafana. i’m worried about this opening Mexico game already

  • Comment 62, posted at 08.12.09 16:23:21 by rekinek Reply
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  • i think bafana will fall out in the warm up games, against ireland… :evil: at this stage the irish will do (and have tried) anything to play in the swc. :grin: i really do feel for them. can u believe, one of my pomey friends compares that handball to the england “try” in the corner in the RWC in 2007. according to him, they should have won… :shock:

  • Comment 63, posted at 08.12.09 16:57:05 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 63) : What try? According to me – he’s crazy. Did he also mention the Percy penalty that went just wide…and global warming?

  • Comment 64, posted at 09.12.09 10:38:13 by blackshark Reply

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  • FIFA World Rankings:

    France – 7
    Mexico – 15
    Uruguay – 19
    Bafana – undisclosed.

    They’re an embarrassment and I hope to see them lose all 3 games. I supported them in AFCON ’96 but then they used to play like the shirt actually meant something to them.

  • Comment 65, posted at 11.12.09 13:56:19 by klempie Reply

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  • LOL Haiti is ranked above Bafana! ROFL

  • Comment 66, posted at 11.12.09 13:59:05 by klempie Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 1) : Good article, Baldrick. I totally agree with your comments about the agents. Getting back to the contracts, one needs to look at the facts . Fourie was erronously appointed as “technical advisor”, and as in the case of Alberts, Ludick and a number of other players, the contract stated that their remuneration for 2010 would be re negotiated, but that the GLRU retains the right to match any offer made by another union, thus giving the players the opportunity to raise their “market value”. That all happened while Jannie (good riddens)Ferreira was president of the union. At that time, Manie Reynecke had to fill 2 posts, namely the one of vice-president, as well as CEO of the union. Those contracts were set up in that particular way, on request of a number of players and their agents. The GLRU has invested a lot of time and money in those players, paying their salaries, even when they couldn’t play, and I think that is the only reason they want things done in the correct way, not out of spite.
    The GLRU have since re – signed all the players with “watertight” contracts. By the way, ther is no such thing as a totally “watertight” contract, and the GLRU are by far not the only union that made use of that way of contracting, and whether it is legally binding, or not, we’ll have to wait and see.
    JP Jouberts’ contract with the Cheetahs has expired Oct 2009, but he signed an “extension clause”. That clause was, however allegedly tampered with after JP has signed it, as alterations were made without his or his agents’ knowledge.
    I hope this will set some records strait.

  • Comment 67, posted at 14.12.09 13:46:37 by boepie Reply

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  • @boepie (Comment 67) : well, if the Cheetahs want to try and tamper with a signed contract after the fact, they are not only stupid, they’re also crooks!

  • Comment 68, posted at 14.12.09 14:17:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 68) : I agree, I’m sure they aren’t the only ones. There might be some other unions doing the same, as contracting a player in SA is a joke, and that goes for al unions. The problem lies with Saru, Sarpa and the agents. Some agents play Saru and Sarpa like a fiddle, and they are too “slapgat” to do something about it.

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