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Breaking the bank for a has-been


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content, Super 14 on 7 Jan 2010 at 10:10
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The Lions have done it again, folks, in offering a South African record contract to an over-the-hill former great. An obsession with experience would appear to have blinded the Lions’ management to the fact that Carlos Spencer simply isn’t worth a record contract these days.

Looking back over the career of this enigmatic pivot, one can’t dispute that his finest years are very much behind him. Spencer last played for the All Blacks in 2004 and even then, was only their first choice pivot for two seasons, which included a disastrous showing in the 2003 World Cup semi-final. Like so many other New Zealand flyhalves of the late 90′s and early 2000′s, Spencer just wasn’t in the same league as the great Andrew Mehrtens and was always considered far too inconsistent to be a real great in the number 10 jersey.

He has spent five years milling around the Northern Hemisphere retirement circuit – at first enjoying some success with Northampton (who despite his presence were relegated) and alter moving on to Gloucester. He has struggled to make the first team for either club in the last two seasons, yet is suddenly worth more than any player currently in South Africa. Ludicrous, if you ask me.

Let’s compare Spencer to Juan Martin Hernandez, a current international pivot in a top-4 team who came to us from Stade Francais, where he was the acknowledged match-winner in that side. Even he has struggled to assert himself on the South African game – and yet he is worth less than Spencer, who last played serious rugby in 2005?

Once again, I’m tempted to ask for a little of what the Lions brains trust is smoking, because it seems like pretty good stuff!



50 Comments

  • Ka-Ching! :twisted:

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.01.10 10:37:04 by One-eyed Ice (Sailing the seas of 2010 with the Sharks) Reply
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  • No wonder they were almost bankrupt.

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.01.10 10:39:30 by war1 Reply
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  • this just makes no sense to me… not on ANY level

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.01.10 10:44:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • Good article Robbo. I wonder what the consensus is on WTR. :roll:

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.01.10 11:14:44 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 4) : probably along the lines of “ja!! feite!! nou gaan ons die wereldbeker wen!!” :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.01.10 11:17:24 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 5) : I think you understand them quite well.

    Once a moron, always a moron :)

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.01.10 11:21:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • i dont think carlos will actually start for the lions in the super 14, and by the sounds of the original article, he will only coach in the currie cup, this has the looks of a retirement package to me

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.01.10 11:41:22 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 7) : and a very nice one too. Carlos clearly has a good agent.

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.01.10 11:56:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : i’m not sure of that. look where he sent him :mrgreen:
    i think he’s only shown him Sandton part.

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.01.10 12:31:55 by rekinek Reply
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  • Ahhh the Lions… good work.

    “at first enjoying some success with Northampton (who despite his presence were relegated)”

    Excellent dig Rob !

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.01.10 13:18:07 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • LOL, Lions got the three cheques for Ludick Alberts and Mostert cleared at the bank. Kidding. Saints relegated – Lions to be relegated and move aside for the Kings? (rethorical)

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.01.10 14:18:45 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 10) : I’m learning, boss :)

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.01.10 15:06:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 11) : I`d rather have the Cheaters relegated. At least we get some points against the Lions from time to time.

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.01.10 15:14:34 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • I can’t believe what I’ve just read on WTR.

    Most of their bloggers are very excited about this signing.

    One of them even predicted a top 4 finish. Oh my GAWD!!! :shock:

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.01.10 15:35:41 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) :

    Waars jy? Ek is daar..?

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.01.10 15:38:39 by One-eyed Ice (Sailing the seas of 2010 with the Sharks) Reply
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  • @One-eyed Ice (Sailing the seas of 2010 with the Sharks) (Comment 15) :

    Ek sien so.

    I haven’t registered yet! Not sure if I should… :roll:

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.01.10 15:47:38 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 16) :

    Come play, man! :lol:

    Live on the “wild” “site” of life!

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.01.10 15:52:47 by One-eyed Ice (Sailing the seas of 2010 with the Sharks) Reply
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  • I can’t believe these guys have done this.

    There is the point that he is better than anything they have at the moment :sad:

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.01.10 15:55:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • apparently singed for TWO years. :shock: He is going for a new S14/15 record.

    Oldest player.

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.01.10 16:04:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 19) :

    and also as a ‘technical advisor”…de ja vu?? :lol:

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.01.10 16:07:28 by One-eyed Ice (Sailing the seas of 2010 with the Sharks) Reply
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  • @One-eyed Ice (Sailing the seas of 2010 with the Sharks) (Comment 20) :

    built in loophole in his contract. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.01.10 16:09:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) :

    easy!

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.01.10 16:16:31 by One-eyed Ice (Sailing the seas of 2010 with the Sharks) Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) : I think it’s more to protect THEM than him :)

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.01.10 16:19:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • anyway, according to their big-mouth CEO, there are still a few more announcements to be made. Hold on to your seats, guys… maybe they’ve got Sean Fitzpatrick and David Campese lined up too

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.01.10 16:20:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) :

    You know about this:

    After the recent news that New Zealander Carlos Spencer will be joining the Lions, the GLRU have appointed another Kiwi to bolster their coaching staff and support.

    GLRU CEO Manie Reyneke, has confirmed with WETALKRUGBY.COM, that New Zealander Wayne Taylor has been appointed as the new conditioning coach for the Auto & General Super 14 Lions.

    This is another attempt by the GLRU to get the coaching staff and support structures as proffesional and experienced as possible.

    Some background on Taylor:

    Background

    IRANZ Strength and Conditioning Coach 2004-2008
    Fitness trainer Tasman Rugby 2006 – 2008
    Fitness trainer NZ U21 2005
    Fitness trainer NZ Blackferns Team 2004
    Fitness trainer Manawatu NPC team 2002-2005
    Fitness trainer NZ Army team 1995 –2000
    Assisted in fitness testing of NZ U21 Squad 2002-2004, and NZ Divisional team 2002, 2003 at the Institute of Rugby
    Extensively trained in sports rehabilitation, massage and sports medicine
    Educated through the Corrective and High Performance Exercise Kinesiologist Institute, USA
    Designed team building and leadership training of elite rugby teams including NZ Black Ferns, NZRFU Leadership Captaincy Course 2002 & 2003, NZRFU Super 12 Leadership Captaincy Course 2002
    Former senior player and NZ Army player 1991-2001

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.01.10 16:25:11 by One-eyed Ice (Sailing the seas of 2010 with the Sharks) Reply
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  • @One-eyed Ice (Sailing the seas of 2010 with the Sharks) (Comment 25) : not a huge surprise… Taylor is involved with Dick’s Academy and he seems to be positioning all those guys furiosly. Don’t be too surprised to see Ruan Fourie take over as Lions physio before too much longer.

  • Comment 26, posted at 07.01.10 16:38:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : is he not the sharks physio?

  • Comment 27, posted at 07.01.10 17:14:38 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 27) : nope – hasn’t been for over a year

  • Comment 28, posted at 07.01.10 17:18:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 19) : in such instance sharks should recall ackermann …. oh wait … isn’t he somehow involved with lions now :mrgreen:

  • Comment 29, posted at 07.01.10 22:29:27 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 29) : he’s their forwards coach. Until the first injury strikes, then he’ll be playing, I’m sure :-)

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.01.10 08:30:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @One-eyed Ice (Sailing the seas of 2010 with the Sharks) (Comment 20) : Actually he would be involved as skills coach, and not as reported, as technical adviser.

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.01.10 09:16:37 by boepie Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 18) : Still better than Monty, though……

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.01.10 09:18:04 by boepie Reply

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  • @boepie (Comment 32) : well, let’s let each player do their talking on the field… Carlos is more creative, sure, but I think Monty might be a fair bit more dependable.

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.01.10 09:22:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 10) : Ja, I suppose it was only his fault……

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.01.10 09:24:40 by boepie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : Might be, but I still don’t think he’s as kak as some make him out to be. I don’t believe a good player suddenly becomes a bad player, the moment he turns 33 or 34.
    According to Kevin de Klerk, the GLRU also didn’t “brake the bank” to get spencer, but he was offered a market related contract, for a player of his caliber, which was not a record amount, as was reported.

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.01.10 09:31:02 by boepie Reply

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  • He will play a mentor role for the younger flyhalves, and i’m sure they will get plenty game time.

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.01.10 09:33:21 by boepie Reply

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  • @boepie (Comment 32) : I`m with you there! I admit I`m insanely jealous right now. Unfortunately the Lions game is up in Jhb otherwise I would`ve gone just for KC !

    Can you guys believe Plum`s quote in the newspaper today?

    ” the depth problem that plagued the Sharks last year won`t be a problem for us in 2010 ”

    This at the bottom of an article about JMH and Ruan`s unavailability for the super 14 . ..

    One encouraging quote was that Plum agreed they might have to look overseas again to get out of the flyhalf fiasco.

    I think if we offered the Lions enough and throw in Ruan Pienaar we might wrestle KC away from them hehehe

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.01.10 09:39:57 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @boepie (Comment 35) : boepie, I did read that, but we’re used to de Klerk being economical with the truth. Then again, agents also lie and try to talk up contract values to inflate their own egos. The truth probably lies somewhere in-between. I doubt the Lions are REALLY paying Carlos more than Hernandez is getting. It would be so ridiculously irresponsible to do that. Then again, this is not a union that has a reputation for financial prudence…

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.01.10 09:51:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 37) :

    Dude, I swear you have got to be the most negative Sharks supporter ever!!

    Plum signed a world class flyhalf for the S14 with Ruan and Dumond as cover.

    Its not his fault that 2 of them are injured!!

    (damn, now I’ve resorted to defending the Sharks coach) :shock: :roll:

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.01.10 09:58:41 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 39) : I`m not negative dude, I`m realistic. Sure I support them, but I also call a spade a spade. If I see trouble coming I speak up. Only bulls supporters act as if their team is the best in the world at all times and can never lose. I hate that. Support your team sure, but don`t make absurd statements, if a player from another team is better then just admit it otherwise you look stupid.

    But hey if you guys want me to I can be like that. . .

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.01.10 10:11:28 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) : You should be carefull with the Lions site, I predicted a tenth place finish for them and had to run for cover LOL

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.01.10 10:16:02 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 39) : don’t get upset with OP, he’s just exploring ways of getting Ruan out of Durban (with reasonalble safety) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.01.10 10:26:33 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 41) :

    I’m there now… told them I think Carlos is passed his prime!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.01.10 10:30:31 by wpw Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 40) : i agree with you fully, have you noticed how no one has predicted where the sharks or stormers will finish this year, you have to be realistic, lets see what happens, but if the sharks dont win anything this year, it wont be because we dont have a good enough squad

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.01.10 10:31:50 by war1 Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 42) : I don’t think he’s concerned much about Ruan’s safety :)

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.01.10 10:42:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : he said he wouldn’t harm ruan :lol:

  • Comment 46, posted at 08.01.10 10:46:00 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 46) : Thanx appreciate you sticking up for me :lol:

    I used to think Ruan was the best thing since sliced bread. Remember how he saved our necks against the Kwasse some years ago with a last minute penalty?

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.01.10 11:06:32 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 47) : remember what they always say about class and form…

  • Comment 48, posted at 08.01.10 11:15:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 47) : no.

    i am relatively new to rugby – 2007 thereabouts. before that I may have heard of or not :lol:

  • Comment 49, posted at 08.01.10 11:39:44 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : You might just be spot on with your comment about the agent lying to boost his ego and promote his business. I don’t think Kevin is not honest. We, on the outside, don’t really know what the real truth in most cases are, so we believe what we read in the papers. Regarding the financial management, there are new, dedicated people doing the job, as well as new structures put in place. To measure the new management team against the financial results of two to three years back, is a bit unfair, as there were other people involved.GLRU got rid of the “dead wood”, and I can assure you that they are very committed in getting the Lions back to the top team in the country. Life isn’t fair, though, as was seen in the Jaque fourie saga. Not every call goes your way, but hey, life must go on, and I’m sure in the near future we’ll see the Lions bringing home some silverware again.

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