Morné

Culture shock


Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 12 Jan 2010 at 08:28

I have been on record many times saying the majority of rugby fans are stupid, and this in part helps our underperforming teams a great deal in sustaining a ‘slapgat’ rugby culture.

In writing this article (just the opening paragraph) I had to delete 4 classic rugby or sports clichés, you know, the usual ‘Defeat is not an option’, ‘Playing for the jersey’, ‘Taking every game as it comes’, and so on and so forth.

Why you might ask?

Well, this column deals with an issue most sports teams suffer from, or struggle to maintain or create, a winning rugby culture in which work ethic and general player happiness and enjoyment goes hand-in-hand.

I think over the last two years I have said of just about every South African rugby team (with the exception of the Bulls) that they lack a positive rugby culture.  Through discussions on this site of what you all believe the Sharks need to finally mount a successful Super 14 challenge I again read of some of the problem areas most of you identify of which a ‘happy team environment’ or rugby culture (or lack of it) ranks very highly in most debates.

I am not so sure we all know exactly what it means though.

I mentioned at the start of this column that fans to a large extent aid underperforming teams not to develop such a mindset or environment or culture.

How?

Well it is best answered with another cliché…

“Once a Shark, always a Shark”, or “Shark till I die”, or…  I can go on but I am getting sick of clichés.

What exactly is a culture?  Well one explanation or definition the dictionary gives us is that it is the sum total of ways of living built up by a group of human beings and transmitted from one generation to another.

Most of us believe however that this culture is created and maintained by the team, or a team of whom we are only fans or supporters.

Wrong…

You are part of that culture.

And you pass that culture down to the next generation (of fans) who will continue in pretty much the same vein you did unless we take ownership and responsibility of that culture.  Honestly, how can something that affects you so directly not be something you have some form of control over?

We constantly hear these days of professional rugby players who gets caught using recreational drugs or abusing alcohol or hitting women or whatever bull you care to read in tabloids, and we simply write it off as those guys being ‘simply human’ and that we do not understand the pressures of being a professional sportsmen or women…

What utter kak.

These teams and players survive because they created an environment for you to become part of their tribe, their culture, for you to take as much responsibility for the actions of your other tribe members as they do for you on the field every single weekend.

I have said to some players I coached before that if I can only have 20% of the passion of the guys sitting in the stands Saturday after Saturday supporting them, I will never lose a match.

Too often do we accept excuses of mediocrity from our fellow tribe members or leaders and simply write it off as one of those things, that we not only help create this environment of mediocrity or were losing is an option, we support it.

The culture at a team like the Bulls or Crusaders does not guarantee them winning every game, but it also does not allow them to lose the same way twice.

Defeat in any sport is inevitable, but it is never acceptable.

The Sharks, much like the Stormers, Cheetahs and Lions need to create and environment or culture which is healthy, and happy, but not at the expense of hard work and work ethic which to my mind is the biggest thing they lack.

Where they go wrong from where I sit, is that they are not prepared to work hard where it matters most, to want it more when the opportunity comes around.  You can fool most of the people most of the time by making them believe you are enthusiastic, hardworking and competitive, but desire for success goes a lot further than what you are prepared to do on a Friday evening or Saturday afternoon in front of the crowds and television cameras.

Real desire, real competitiveness has a lot more to do with the work ethic and sacrifices you are willing to make from Sunday to Thursday when no-one else is watching.  You know you have a winning rugby team when your players are happy with a culture of working hard, training hard and playing hard – where losing is never an option.

Just looking at the players available for the Sharks this Super 14 I see no reason why they cannot go all the way, where for the fans, a semi-final is an absolute must!

The Sharks (and most other SA teams) should learn that a culture of being happy is either a team going out there to enjoy themselves and entertain the crowd, or a team that goes out there to win – guess which team (and its supporters) in the end will be the happiest…

You will get beaten, accept that, but do not accept getting beaten the same way twice.



134 Comments

  • WoW! I vote for Morne to go to the Sharks camp and join the Management team! What do you guys say?? :grin: ;-)

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.01.10 08:56:22 by One-eyed Ice (Sailing the seas of 2010 with the Sharks) Reply
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  • You raise some interesting points.

    I don’t understand why the cutlure of SA teams (bar the Bulls) is to accept losing. We never should. We should lose with dignity, but players must take losses hard, it should mean something to them. Look at the Lions, Stormers and Cheetahs in Super rugby. They don’t care if they lose, but they won’t give other guys opportunities when they know they can’t make the playoffs eg Ismaeel Dollie, Hilton Lobberts, Earl Rose at flyhalf, Michael Killan etc.

    Also how can a professional side such as the Lions have been in such bad physical shape? What sort of culture was going on there? And worse still the man responsible is now in charge at Boland? What does that say about producing results?

    I feel, espcially in the professional era, players especially have lost the values they had as amatuers. Play for the love of the game, express yourself, and back your ability. It is never a chore to work hard and put in hours of practice when you play for the love of the game, rather than picking up a paycheck.

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.01.10 09:28:20 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • morne that is why i am supporting two teams this year, the lions to get a semi, and the sharks cos i am stupid.

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.01.10 09:36:35 by try time Reply

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  • @One-eyed Ice (Sailing the seas of 2010 with the Sharks) (Comment 1) : yes yes, and I insist that he shows them this whip :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.01.10 09:47:17 by rekinek Reply
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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 2) : good points. I have a major issue with guys going out partying after a loss. I remember kicking up a stink last year when Kanko posted a facebook update about going to Clapham just after a loss in which he had played particularly poorly

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.01.10 09:54:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 4) :

    i am also sporting a whip now.. :twisted:

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.01.10 09:58:22 by Ice Ka-ching! (Kry jou gat in rat!) Reply
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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 2) :

    It is my believe rugby needs to run a 20 to 25 year cycle before we can hope to see administrators and players actually acting like true professionals.

    We are in year 15 now.

    When Francoise Pienaar held a gun to Louis Luyt’s head in forcing in professionalism, not only di Luyt know it was the wrong way to go about things, but he was forced to appoint ex-civil workers in prominant and important decision making positions in rugby administration. Not only do we still see this today, we still see the effects of this.

    I mean how is this for irony?

    SWD is the first union to be majority privately owned in South Africa, under the leadership of Stag Cronje. He was fired or suspended and now they are tied up in court cases…

    Yet, the other unions managed by ex-teachers, quantity surveyors, restaurant owners and farmers are one big happy family…

    Our players are feeling the effects of this because;

    a) They are not treated and managed like professionals hence they still act like amateurs with a lot of money and no responsibility

    b) Have no business savvy and are chasing the Pound to the detriment of their game but being penny foolish and effectively becoming worse players (because of bad decisions made contractually) for it.

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.01.10 10:03:49 by Morné Reply
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  • Great article.

    Sharks definitely depend on talent and not graft – unlike the Bulls and Cheetahs.

    Very sad indictment of the whole team and management.

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.01.10 10:24:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 7) :

    Dude, YOU should seriously consider getting involved in rugby administration. ;-)

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.01.10 10:24:59 by wpw Reply
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  • “I have said to some players I coached before that if I can only have 20% of the passion of the guys sitting in the stands Saturday after Saturday supporting them, I will never lose a match.”…..
    and I still wonder how it is possible that Scotland have ever lost a single test after their national anthem has been played before a game, and Im not even Scts.

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.01.10 10:27:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • “What exactly is a culture? Well one explanation or definition the dictionary gives us is that it is the sum total of ways of living built up by a group of human beings and transmitted from one generation to another.”

    This is well illustrated by the good attendances at Newlands regardless of how crap The Stormers / Province have been performing. But is it a good thing?

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.01.10 10:34:08 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 9) :

    They dont want me ;)

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.01.10 10:39:17 by Morné Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 11) :

    A losing culture is still a culture…

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.01.10 10:39:53 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 13) :
    Yes, but it was a winning culture that was passed on from the previous generations, or has Province ever gone through such a dry period before?

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.01.10 10:44:58 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Morné, I feel a little as if this arti is a call to action. I’m not sure what that action should be, though!

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.01.10 10:46:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) :

    Fully! :lol:

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.01.10 10:53:39 by Ice Ka-ching! (Kry jou gat in rat!) Reply
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  • @Ice Ka-ching! (Kry jou gat in rat!) (Comment 6) : woooow – may be safer to trip and land in this glass after all :lol:

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.01.10 10:58:35 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) :

    My opinion, it is more of a call to action for the players and coaching staff than it is for supporters.

    Whenever in doubt, I reminded my players what this game means to the guys standing next to the field every weekend.

    I am simply re-affirming what we all know and believe and just put it across in a single column!!! ;)

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.01.10 11:22:53 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 18) : Is it a case of the team building a “rugby culture” or the fans? OR is it a combination of both?

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.01.10 11:29:12 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 19) :

    A bit of both.

    The one cannot exist without the other.

    It forms a symbiant circle where what happens to one, affects the other.

    What players need reminding of sometimes is that their life in rugby extends beyond their own worlds and that of their team mate and coaches, and that is essentially what keeps them doing what their doing.

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.01.10 11:50:54 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 18) : what role do supporters and the media have to play, in terms of the way they treat the players?

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.01.10 11:52:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) :

    Media?

    Look no further than Mike Greenaway. Brutally honest but fair, treating his lifeblood (players are his actual job, if he loses them or their trust, he loses his job) with the respect they deserve, good or bad.

    Supporters actually determine the mindset and attitude of teams to a much bigger extent than what they believe.

    Players read papers, blogs, letters in papers etc. It affects them emotionally, I have seen it happen personally and I still see it happen when I speak to some of them.

    The ‘culture’ of which Smitty speaks in his book is 30% thanks to the players in that group, and 70% thank to the guys that rocked up at the Tank every weekend.

    There is a massive difference for a player running out in front of a crowd of 1000 people to that of 50 000 – a symbiant circle as mentioned – they cannot live without it.

    But as history showed us, even the Bulls played in front of 500 people at Loftus in 2002 when they could not buy a win.

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.01.10 12:04:17 by Morné Reply
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  • Wow Morne! Say it like is. If you look back at the period before The Bulls golden streak, there were a lot of rumours doing the rounds of the Bulls admininstration being incapable of changing to the proffesional era and of Ego’s being in the way of success. Well Well look at them now! Something amazing happened while it looks as thoug the Sharks admin got stuck. We were the first real proffesional union and were always praised for it. is it time for a change of guard?

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.01.10 12:06:03 by catfish Reply
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  • What rugby players (and supporters to an extent) must realise is that you will only get judged on 10% of what you actually do, or what happens on matchday when the TV cameras are rolling and the stands are full.

    If you want that 10% to mean something or to be judged fairly, you must make sure that the other 90% is spent well.

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.01.10 12:08:05 by Morné Reply
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  • @catfish (Comment 23) :

    Dolf van Huysteen happened to the Bulls, together with Ian Schwartz.

    Change of guard?

    It is not my place to comment on that but I can say this;

    If the union or team and management is not allowed to play or operate to its potential, which is clear the Sharks are not operating close to their potential, then we have to ask why that is, and why the environment is not created for them to operate to their full potential.

    The Sharks did not all of a sudden become unprofessional, they are still very professional and have all the ingredients present to operate and function to at least 80% of their potential, but why are we leaving the eggs out of the recipe to bake the perfect chocolate cake?

    It is obvious if we want a perfect chocolate cake we need to include the eggs so someone needs to go ask the chef why he chose to leave out the eggs and either get force him to add it or get a new cheff.

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.01.10 12:14:25 by Morné Reply
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  • “Yet, the other unions managed by ex-teachers, quantity surveyors, restaurant owners and farmers are one big happy family…”

    Thats the dumbest thing you have ever written. Ever. There isn’t a union in this country that even comes close to being a happy family.

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.01.10 12:17:43 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 25) : what are the eggs?

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.01.10 12:21:04 by war1 Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 26) :

    Context WS, read it in the context it was written which I thought was obvious.

    I was not referring to unions as individuals, but unions as the collective of which the SWD is the only odd one out being privately owned which is to my mind at least, the way forward as it allows them, and its members and administrators, to be held accountable, whereas the rest of SA rugby is and will be happy to continue to hide behind the layers upon layers of bullshit, blameshifting and incompetence they have created since the game went professional and demanded an approach which held more accountability to those charged with running the game, and the teams and players.

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.01.10 12:24:19 by Morné Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 26) : nah – Morne has written plenty dumber stuff! Remember the Jean de Villiers at flyhalf stuff? :)

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.01.10 12:26:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 27) :

    Can be anything really, just an example I used where I believe the Sharks do not lack anything in the resource department to be successful, but why I cannot understand why they continually fail to operate at their potential.

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.01.10 12:27:40 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) :

    Screw you!!! :)

    That was one of my few moments of inspiration!!! ;)

    Out now however, till later.

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.01.10 12:28:30 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : :twisted:

    @Morné (Comment 28) : Its ownly privately owned by amateurs ( Sorry couldn’t find the irony smilie )

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.01.10 12:29:42 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • I have been on record many times saying the majority of rugby fans are stupid

    Hey that’s not fair! The majority of rugby players are pretty stupid too! :evil:

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.01.10 12:43:49 by klempie Reply

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  • I looooooooooooove chocolate cake. :cool:

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.01.10 12:46:53 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 22) : well with the sharks ridiculous ticket price this year, they will be running out a lot smaller crowd this year.

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.01.10 12:55:17 by try time Reply

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  • In the S14 there are 14 teams and only one winner.

    Even if that winner is South African every single time (wishful thinking at best) that’ll still leave four other ‘under-performing2 teams. Teams that are in crisis, teams that lack the winnning culture etc.

    Sometimes, I’d venture the majority of the time, it has nothing to with passion and more to do with a player being able to run faster, scrum better or having a player kick better.

    Passion is great fro one-off games (just ask England) but teams like the Crusdaers and the All Blacks have actively gone away from playing on passion to playing to a gameplan.

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.01.10 13:24:13 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 22) : How does reading the papers and blog’s effect players?? Are they motivated by people telling them they’re crap or more positive critisism?

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.01.10 13:40:56 by Pokkel (Rugby's over, back to fishing) Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Rugby’s over, back to fishing) (Comment 37) : this is what I wan to know. There are certain players that I just KNOW aren’t going to want to tell me anything… Skipper Badenhorst still hasn’t accepted my FaceBook friend request! As a journo (not that I want to be one of those) you need to keep lines of communication with the players open and writing about how shit they are is unlikely to achieve that objective.

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.01.10 13:47:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Rugby’s over, back to fishing) (Comment 37) :

    Every single person, rugby player or not, is affected by what other people think of them.

    Problem with blogs and Rob’s problem is that criticism of players on places like blogs, often become a bit personal. Not that it happens all the time here of course, but you have to admit the conversations on players are somewhat more personal on blogs.

    Some guys respond positively to criticism, other guys take even the slightest criticism very personally – depends on the individual really.

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.01.10 14:08:25 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 39) :

    That why I thrive here.. :twisted: :lol:

    Anyways – if I want peoples opinions, I’ll whip it out of them.. :cool:

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.01.10 14:11:50 by Ice Ka-ching! (Kry jou gat in rat!) Reply
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  • @Ice Ka-ching! (Kry jou gat in rat!) (Comment 40) : Me first! Me first! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.01.10 14:15:15 by klempie Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 36) :

    The thing about the Sharks specifically is that they are good enough to win it, but somehow fail to live up to expectation for some odd reason.

    Last year was particularly disappointing as it seemed they never learned from mistakes which cost them matches. There was no real change in approach in game plan or tactics throughout the 2009 season which is not only stupid, but also allows us a glimpse into what goes on in the background as to player buy-in and input, and how training is conducted, constructed, planned and executed.

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.01.10 14:18:49 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ice Ka-ching! (Kry jou gat in rat!) (Comment 40) :

    Like the whip but would prefer some ass with it!!!

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.01.10 14:19:33 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 43) :

    You have enough ass on here for the both of us! :lol:

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.01.10 14:29:59 by Ice Ka-ching! (Kry jou gat in rat!) Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 43) : eish :)

  • Comment 45, posted at 12.01.10 14:46:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) :

    Tell me you would not want to whip that ass! :)

  • Comment 46, posted at 12.01.10 15:00:52 by Morné Reply
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  • Okay back to rugby… :roll:

  • Comment 47, posted at 12.01.10 15:13:25 by Ice Ka-ching! (Kry jou gat in rat!) Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 46) : hmmmm. Moving swiftly along :)

  • Comment 48, posted at 12.01.10 15:22:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • HEY ROB – what is this Eina okes site all about? Who is he?

  • Comment 49, posted at 12.01.10 15:22:52 by Ice Ka-ching! (Kry jou gat in rat!) Reply
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  • @Ice Ka-ching! (Kry jou gat in rat!) (Comment 49) : ask Claytie… he found it :)

  • Comment 50, posted at 12.01.10 15:41:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice Ka-ching! (Kry jou gat in rat!) (Comment 49) : Mostly himself it seems.

  • Comment 51, posted at 12.01.10 16:01:19 by McLovin Reply

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  • Can I just say I love the Avatar`s . . .

  • Comment 52, posted at 12.01.10 16:14:01 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 42) : It was all the stupid kicking. I thought Plum would have learnt his lesson after the near-scrape win against the Blues when we nearly threw it away. But the backs just kept on hammering it back the entire comp. With the ELVs it was a completely ridiculous strategy and the last game against the Bulls (where I didn’t see ST kick away ONCE) was proof of what the Sharks could do. Yes, they lost but only because they were chasing a win AND 4 tries. If I see the kicking game again this year I will pull my hair out. :evil:

  • Comment 53, posted at 12.01.10 16:22:02 by klempie Reply

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  • Morne.

    Don’t confuse apathy with stupidity :smile:

  • Comment 54, posted at 12.01.10 16:41:14 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 54) :

    from the supporters that is.

  • Comment 55, posted at 12.01.10 16:42:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Some friends of mine had a look at the site today and they had more to say about the cool avatars than anything else. :lol:

  • Comment 56, posted at 12.01.10 16:49:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Damn you Sharks!You just ate a dude at Fish Hoek beach :!:

  • Comment 57, posted at 12.01.10 16:52:35 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 35) : HUH???????

    Season ticket prices didn’t increase at all if I’m correct. Have you seen individual ticket prices anywhere?

  • Comment 58, posted at 12.01.10 16:59:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 57) :

    Was it a player looking for a transfer :?:

    Seriously OUCH. Is the dude okay?

  • Comment 59, posted at 12.01.10 17:03:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 57) : Dat’s what ya get foh playing our waters man! :cool:

    Kidding.

  • Comment 60, posted at 12.01.10 17:09:40 by klempie Reply

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  • I wanted to say something but it took me so long to read through the post, I forgot what I wanted to say :oops:

  • Comment 61, posted at 12.01.10 19:28:48 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 59) :

    apologies.

    it seems they guy has been killed. :sad:

    Cape Town – The NSRI has confirmed that a swimmer has been the victim of a shark attack at Fish Hoek beach near Cape Town.

    Ian Klopper of the NSRI told News24 that an intensive search was underway to locate the swimmer, but had so far yielded nothing.

    “A white male, between 32 and 38 years old has been taken by a shark and we have not been able to locate the patient,” Klopper said. The identity of the victim is still unknown.

    Twitter users also confirmed the attack.

    “Holy shit, we just saw a GIGANTIC shark eat what looked like a person right in front of our house in fishhoek. Unbelievable,” wrote skabenga.

    Bathers have been warned by Cape Town Disaster management to be on the lookout for great white sharks which traditionally cruise this stretch of the coast at this time of year.

    “The appearance of white sharks is normal during peak summer months in Cape Town near in-shore areas, as these sharks are known to hunt and feed along this stretch of coastline at this time of year,” spokesperson Wilfred Solomons-Johannes said on Tuesday.

    - News24

  • Comment 62, posted at 12.01.10 20:23:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 62) : ouch :sad:

  • Comment 63, posted at 12.01.10 21:08:02 by rekinek Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 58) : there was announcement at Sharksrugby that they would not increase.

  • Comment 64, posted at 12.01.10 21:09:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 35) : i truly hope not.

  • Comment 65, posted at 12.01.10 21:10:25 by rekinek Reply
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  • “The appearance of white sharks is normal during peak summer months in Cape Town near in-shore areas, as these sharks are known to hunt and feed along this stretch of coastline at this time of year,” spokesperson Wilfred Solomons-Johannes said on Tuesday

    The above statement equally applies to the Cape hospitality business – its good that the spokesman is so honest.

    On a serious note this is very sad especially because the poor mans wife was also on the beach. They are apparently foreign holiday goers.

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.01.10 09:12:50 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Very sad. That said, I don’t understand why people bother swimming in Cape waters. Too cold and too infested with man-eaters.

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.01.10 09:48:31 by klempie Reply

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  • more snow? Come on!

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.01.10 10:21:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 68) : Almost fell over 3 times on the way to work. All good fun. :cool:

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.01.10 10:35:12 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 68) : not so lekker anymore??? :???:

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.01.10 10:41:56 by Pokkel (Rugby's over, back to fishing) Reply
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  • More heat? Bring it on!

  • Comment 71, posted at 13.01.10 10:57:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Rugby’s over, back to fishing) (Comment 70) : frustrating that it ends up closing schools and stopping trains running

  • Comment 72, posted at 13.01.10 10:58:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 72) : Kids like it though :twisted:

    For the record Cape Town is perfect…30, Not a cloud in site – going for a swim at lunch despite the predators

  • Comment 73, posted at 13.01.10 11:05:41 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 73) : and we don’t even have the strong economy anymore :(

  • Comment 74, posted at 13.01.10 11:10:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 74) : Yea the Old country seems to be in some kind of limbo regradings its identity.

  • Comment 75, posted at 13.01.10 11:20:54 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 74) :
    Rob, is it trus that Saffas are leaving the UK in their droves.

  • Comment 76, posted at 13.01.10 11:23:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 76) : trus = true

  • Comment 77, posted at 13.01.10 11:45:07 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 76) : I haven’t heard that, Salmo. I know of a few that have left, but most of the guys are know are still here, with a fair few still arriving.

  • Comment 78, posted at 13.01.10 11:48:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 76) : Yes, but they all came back after xmas. :wink: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 79, posted at 13.01.10 11:50:43 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) :
    Read on some other blog site that Saffas not so in demand anymore courtesy of hardworking Eastern Europeans. Saffas apparently coming home but also to Aus, Canada and NZ.

    @McLovin (Comment 79) : :lol: :mrgreen:
    Why would anyone go back to that weather?????

  • Comment 80, posted at 13.01.10 11:58:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 80) : saying “saffas are (or are not) in demand” is such a generalisation that it carries little weight, IMO. People who are prepared to work hard and add value will do well regardless and lazy slackers won’t. Simples.

  • Comment 81, posted at 13.01.10 12:08:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 80) : Eastern europeans as in Ukranians? LOL

  • Comment 82, posted at 13.01.10 12:17:06 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 82) : they take ALL the top stripping jobs :) Locals don’t get a look-in

  • Comment 83, posted at 13.01.10 12:21:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) : a LOT HAD TO COME BACK ‘CAUSE THEIR 2 YEAR WORK/HOLIDAY VISAS EXPIRED AND IT’S MUCH HARDER TO GET WORK PERMITS NOW-A-DAYS.

  • Comment 84, posted at 13.01.10 12:23:20 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 83) : and how would you know, been to the clubs lately :wink:

  • Comment 85, posted at 13.01.10 12:24:25 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 84) : Sorry! Not shouting…multi-tasking & did not realise caps were on until I hit “submit” :oops:

  • Comment 86, posted at 13.01.10 12:25:27 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 84) : Only letting in the cream of the crop these days. :wink:

  • Comment 87, posted at 13.01.10 12:28:51 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 87) : Yeah…and making it pretty hard for them too!! Always moving the goal posts…when my daughter went it was 5 years to residency & 6 for passport…now 6 for residency & 7 for passport! Most frustrating :x

  • Comment 88, posted at 13.01.10 12:31:05 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 87) : you got your maroon book already?

    I am getting very frustrated at the moment about the issues Me2 mentions. Looks like they’re going to climb down on the Masters requirement though

  • Comment 89, posted at 13.01.10 12:32:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • Sooooo has anyone seen the new Natalie Imbruglia music video?

  • Comment 90, posted at 13.01.10 12:35:50 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 90) : :?: :?: :?: :?:

  • Comment 91, posted at 13.01.10 12:37:31 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 67) : The water in False Bay is warm

  • Comment 92, posted at 13.01.10 12:38:20 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : Got mine about two years ago I think. But I got in on the other half’s ticket. :cool:

  • Comment 93, posted at 13.01.10 12:38:48 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 91) : The woman is beautiful, ok, im a stalker!

  • Comment 94, posted at 13.01.10 12:39:19 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 90) : does she get nekid in it?

  • Comment 95, posted at 13.01.10 12:39:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) : YES!

  • Comment 96, posted at 13.01.10 12:40:12 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 88) : And the cost of the whole process has also gone up 4 fold I think.

  • Comment 97, posted at 13.01.10 12:40:36 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 93) : ah yes. Good approach. Much easier.

    Looks like I’m going to have to go through the “earned citizenship” thing.

  • Comment 98, posted at 13.01.10 12:46:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 96) : sweeeet :)

  • Comment 99, posted at 13.01.10 12:47:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 73) : 35.5 degrees :cool:

  • Comment 100, posted at 13.01.10 12:47:14 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 92) : No,it’s just less cold than on the Atlantic side. The water at Sodwana is warm.

  • Comment 101, posted at 13.01.10 12:51:28 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 98) : Oh yes indeed. And she only had to serve 4 years on work permit and 1 or 2 years residency and boom, the queen’s our auntie. :smile:

    Can’t imagine the hoops you have to jump through these days. Friends of ours still on the green mamba and it’s seems it’s a helluva effort to stay.

  • Comment 102, posted at 13.01.10 12:53:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 102) : ag, you just need to close your eyes, grit your teeth and get through it. That’s what I telling my self now anyway.

  • Comment 103, posted at 13.01.10 13:05:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 103) : Good luck, hope it all goes smoothly. :smile:

    Next time I’m having tea with the Queen I’ll put in a good word for you. :wink:

  • Comment 104, posted at 13.01.10 13:08:50 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 104) : much appreciated, although Damian Green and Chris Grayling may well prove to be more effective :)

  • Comment 105, posted at 13.01.10 13:18:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 83) : Unsurprising to say the least.

  • Comment 106, posted at 13.01.10 13:20:36 by klempie Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 88) : So she’s planning permanency?

  • Comment 107, posted at 13.01.10 13:21:59 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : Cool so I can get in too. :cool: Although completely superfluous.

  • Comment 108, posted at 13.01.10 13:23:28 by klempie Reply

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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 92) : Relative to the Arctic yes.

  • Comment 109, posted at 13.01.10 13:24:23 by klempie Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 93) : You married a Pom?? :o

  • Comment 110, posted at 13.01.10 13:25:59 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 110) : No. :lol:

  • Comment 111, posted at 13.01.10 13:30:20 by McLovin Reply

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  • @MysticShark (Comment 101) : Precisely. Love Sodwana. Ponta too.

  • Comment 112, posted at 13.01.10 13:34:15 by klempie Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 111) : Oh phew! :oops:

  • Comment 113, posted at 13.01.10 13:38:40 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 113) : They’re not that bad. Not all of them are from Essex. Some lovely upper class ladies about. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 114, posted at 13.01.10 13:43:09 by McLovin Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 112) :
    Me too re Sodawana.
    I have an A3 print of Sodwana in my office. Its an aerial photo of the bay at full tide. Stunning.

  • Comment 115, posted at 13.01.10 13:44:42 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 82) :
    Do you find Ukranians funny?

  • Comment 116, posted at 13.01.10 13:46:41 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 114) : All Kate Middleton of them?

  • Comment 117, posted at 13.01.10 13:46:44 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 117) : Last time I was out that way was August 2008. :( Ponta for diving. Last year was a write-off for holidays. Might organise a trip out there in March/April.

  • Comment 118, posted at 13.01.10 13:48:00 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 103) : Mary’s attitude as well…once you get so far…nearly six years…you have to carry on :smile:
    @klempie (Comment 107) : Once she get residency then schools will have to stop messing with her salary and in the next couple of years she will be able to travel more freely and earn bigger bucks…sorry for “bucka” read “ponds”!

  • Comment 119, posted at 13.01.10 13:50:30 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • Speaking of culture shocks, anybody here the latest on proposals to change Tshwane sports team (and consequently the Bulls) colours to white, yellow, green and black? If that happens I will PAY for a Loftus season ticket! :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 120, posted at 13.01.10 13:50:46 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 113) : kinda rich, given that you have yet to marry anyone at all ;)

  • Comment 121, posted at 13.01.10 13:53:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 119) : Also, she is not sure about coming back here and teaching…they way more advance over there and the salaries here are PATHETIC…..and for her teaching is want she wants to do………………not easy when you love your country but find it hard to live in it :sad:

  • Comment 122, posted at 13.01.10 13:54:45 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 121) : Fortunately I can say that is not one of my life goals. ;)

  • Comment 123, posted at 13.01.10 13:57:15 by klempie Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 122) : caaaaaaaaaaareful hun. You venturing onto “political territory” there. ;)

  • Comment 124, posted at 13.01.10 13:58:08 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 124) : No..not politics…our education system has been rotten for years….as an “educationalist” and the daughter of one,I should know ;-) Main reason…teachers’ shockingly low salaries, so the best ones don’t hang around too long.
    only good thing..the holidays ;-) Now all my teaher friends will crusify me :mrgreen:

  • Comment 125, posted at 13.01.10 14:17:05 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 125) : he’s just trolling again.

  • Comment 126, posted at 13.01.10 14:42:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 126) : :grin:

  • Comment 127, posted at 13.01.10 14:45:57 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 126) : That’s not trolling. You’ve deemed far less as “political” before. I’m just helping her out.

  • Comment 128, posted at 13.01.10 14:47:21 by klempie Reply

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  • Has anyone heard this song, I believe its Fredi Nest: ”Wat soek jy in die Sharktank die Haaie gaan jou vang, wat soek jy in die Haaitenk die Sharks gaan jou vang….. Jy is bang, jy is bang, jy is baie baie bang…..” :mrgreen:

  • Comment 129, posted at 13.01.10 15:00:25 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 129) : eish…

  • Comment 130, posted at 13.01.10 15:12:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 128) : Thanks Klempie…I know I can rely on you to keep me on the stright & narrow :lol:

  • Comment 131, posted at 13.01.10 15:13:01 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 131) :

    Its more a case of wolf in sheeps clothing if you ask me!

    @robdylan (Comment 130) :

    …met eish en d**** baie brannas kan daai een dalk afgefors word! :lol:

  • Comment 132, posted at 13.01.10 15:20:48 by Ice Ka-ching! (Kry jou gat in rat!) Reply
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  • @Ice Ka-ching! (Kry jou gat in rat!) (Comment 132) : you mean a sheep in wolf’s clothing? :)

    Where’ve you been all day?

  • Comment 133, posted at 13.01.10 15:41:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • biscuit!

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