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What a PROPer mess


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 29 Jan 2010 at 13:54
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What’s going on with our props? How much longer are we going to bugger around playing guys out of position? It’s really starting to get a little ridiculous now; the front row is meant to be a real strength of the Sharks and it’s rapidly turning into a glaring weakness.

To me, the problem here is all about accommodating people (and dare I say their egos), rather than simply selecting the best guy in each position. John Smit is taking shots left, right and centre as a result of his poor showing at tighthead on Tuesday night and he has once again been asked to wear the number 3 jersey this evening. Jannie du Plessis has now been shoehorned into the number 1 jersey, a strange move to say the least. Is this perhaps just a pre-season experiment, allowing John Plumtree to assess whether du Plessis is a reasonable loosehead option? Why would that be necessary when we have two other Bok looseheads, Beast Mtawarira and Deon Carstens, already in the squad, along with Pat Cilliers who has at least looked the part in the number 1 jersey in the past?

Or has Jannie now been thrown into the starting team at the behest of his brother, in an all-too-typical “pick us both or else” ultimatum?

The Sharks need to just slow right down here and get back to the basics of the game. Too many political shenanigans seem to be clouding their reasoning. Point 1 is that Smit is the captain. He is the Bok captain and the best skipper currently playing the game. As such, he is de facto the right choice to be captain of the Sharks. And your captain must be in your starting team. All of this is fine so far, but I’ll go one further. If your captain’s best position is hooker – and John’s clearly is – then that’s where he should be played, end of discussion. Any other debates around secret contract clauses or threats to go overseas are actually of secondary importance to the best interests of the team. Smit must start the important games at hooker and Bismarck must do whatever he needs to do, given that decision.

Now that we have that sorted out, we can pick our best tighthead at 3 and rest assured that our scrum will have the strong foundation it needs. We are actually pretty blessed here in that Smit’s huge strength as a scrummaging hooker tends to make any number 3 look pretty good. Remember how well he did holding Eddie Andrews up? Right now, Jannie du Plessis is arguably our best tighthead and should play, but if he doesn’t feel that he can contribute without his brother to hold his hand, he must please go somewhere else and let us make another plan. I’d far rather have Wiehahn Herbst or even Pat Cilliers fully focused and committed, with Smit there to guide them every step of the way, than a disinterested Jannie du Plessis.

Loosehead then become a complete formality, with Beast starting and Deon Carstens providing able utility cover off the bench. If Bismarck does decide to part ways, then Craig Burden can enjoy a full Super 14 learning the ropes at the hands of the master, while introducing his own particular brand of dynamism in the second half.

We’ve got to stop this nonsense now, before it destroys our season. You can’t win games without a functioning engine room and when you have guys played out of position in the front row, the whole pack ends up on the back foot. With the backs we’ve got available this year, the last thing we can afford is for our pack to be anything other than completely dominant.

Come on, Plum. Show us the way.



110 Comments

  • i can’t wait to see this “experiment” turbo reverse a break-neck speed.

  • Comment 1, posted at 29.01.10 14:02:23 by Megatron Reply
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  • The expression ‘The tail wagging the dog’ springs to mind

  • Comment 2, posted at 29.01.10 14:07:36 by Greg Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 1) :

    Grant10 is that you??? :shock:

    ‘turbo reverse’ What the heck??

  • Comment 3, posted at 29.01.10 14:08:13 by wpw Reply
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  • The Blues have lost Ali Williams for the entire S14 due to injury. Back to the topic, cant agree more, players should stop being played out of position, period! It just screws up their form and confidence

  • Comment 4, posted at 29.01.10 14:09:21 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 1) : one can’t say that sharks are not multiskilled : loose /tight, forward / reverse – they can do it all. even running sideways.

  • Comment 5, posted at 29.01.10 14:11:20 by rekinek Reply
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  • Rob I think you know I agree strongly with you on this issue. And yes it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever this.

    I remember last year when the Stormers played Saracens at Newlands. The DOR for Saracens Eddie Jones said that he is going to get on the phone with Plumtree (our first game of the season that year) and tell him not to bother about the scrum because the Stormers were useless in this department.

    Now I count 4 capped, not to mentioned experienced Springboks for 3 front row positions. All of them specialists and damn fine players.

    Why on Roger’s green earth would you want to go and not only shift guys around, but shift them into positions they never played competitive rugby in?

    I know the warm-up games is about sorting out combo’s and structures – but no-where and no-way should Jannie even be thought of as an option at 1 or even a distant back-up!

    There is no logic here.

  • Comment 6, posted at 29.01.10 14:11:27 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 6) : yes… there’s no point trying out something that you know is a stupid idea to begin with

  • Comment 7, posted at 29.01.10 14:15:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • To me, the problem here is all about accommodating people (and dare I say their egos)

    You MAY dare. And one ego in particular.

  • Comment 8, posted at 29.01.10 14:19:17 by klempie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 6) : how highly do you rate Jannie as a 3, all other issues aside?

  • Comment 9, posted at 29.01.10 14:23:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • First, let’s not forget that Jannie has played at LH in the past. One of his strengths was that he provided adequate cover at LH as well as being a solid TH. So this is nothing new. Second, has it not yet become clear that Plum likes his props to be able to fill the other prop role when needed. Smit has played at both TH and LH in games for the Sharks before, Carstens has started at both TH and LH within the past two years, Cilliers has started at both TH and LH (partnered Carstens), the only prop not to provide cover at the other prop is Beast. So bottom line is that with a starting front row of Beast, Bissie and Smit (which would seem to be the first choice combination in most games), then your bench prop should be able to cover both.

    This is a pre-season warm up game, time to get the players back into it and experiment if needed. We know what we have in Carstens, a superior scrumming LH that is adequate at TH when needed. Cilliers is a good scrumming TH that is adequate at LH when needed. Jannie has played plenty of TH but has not played much if at all at LH under Plum. This is an excellent opportunity to see how he does at LH. In the event the above three start, and Beast goes down (hope not) does Plum move John to LH with Jannie at TH or leave John at TH and move Jannie at LH. Good time to test the combination.

    So relax Rob, seriously Plum knows what we have in Jannie at TH, it is just pre-season. If we see a strange starting front row like this in the Super 14 proper, then you can dust off your keyboard and make all these points.

    You hit the nail on the head with your comment about Smit’s scrumming ability at 2. He is by far the best scrummung hooker in the world, bar none. I would hate to have to have scrummed against someone like him. Bissie scrums like he runs with the ball, all upright, he can’t seem to achieve a low centre of gravity, whether with the ball or in the scrums. The only time Bissie dominates at Hooker is when the oppo hooker is short and his props are quite tall (B&I Lions front row in Test 1). John edges Bissie in the lineout throwing, is a better counter rucker, driving into the tight phases. The only phase of the game Bissie is better is fetching. John is also stronger with ball in hand. So John is quite simply the better hooker than Bissie is, he is the best hooker in the world.

  • Comment 10, posted at 29.01.10 14:23:20 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • All of this is fine so far, but I’ll go one further. If your captain’s best position is hooker – and John’s clearly is – then that’s where he should be played, end of discussion. Any other debates around secret contract clauses or threats to go overseas are actually of secondary importance to the best interests of the team. Smit must start the important games at hooker and Bismarck must do whatever he needs to do, given that decision.

    I cry copyright infringement! :evil:

  • Comment 11, posted at 29.01.10 14:24:13 by klempie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 6) : Morne, Hannie has played at 1 at international level as well as Super 14. Just never started at 1.

  • Comment 12, posted at 29.01.10 14:25:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Jannie is a decent scrumming 3 even at international level. He is just not worth much around the field. BJ offers much more around the pitch than Jannie does and is a better scrummer.

  • Comment 13, posted at 29.01.10 14:27:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 8) : well, two egos :)

  • Comment 14, posted at 29.01.10 14:30:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • Smit is also a decent scrumming 3 like Jannie. Having Smit, Bissie and Beast on the field is much stronger all around than Jannie, Smit and Beast. We lose a little in the scrums, but other than that, all other facets of play we are stronger. And we lose strength in the front row because Bissie is nowhere close to Smit scrumming at Hooker, not because Smit is weak at TH. I would love to see Smit have an opportunity to play 3 with a strong scrumming hooker.

  • Comment 15, posted at 29.01.10 14:32:15 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 11) : You can’t just take Smit by himself Klempie, you have to look at your combos. Would you rather have a front row of Beast, Smit and Jannie or Beast, Bissie and Smit. I think the second is a stronger combination.

  • Comment 16, posted at 29.01.10 14:33:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 5) : well, you can appreciate that as far as the coach is concerned, most of his best laid plans hinge on the scrum going forward rather than turbo reversing… :D

  • Comment 17, posted at 29.01.10 14:34:33 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 16) : and I the former.

  • Comment 18, posted at 29.01.10 14:34:57 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) :

    Solid not spectacular.

    Offers little in the tight phases though (rucks, ball carrying etc.) and that will not change if he switches to LH.

    Thing is, he is a better TH than LH.

    @Dancing Bear (Comment 12) :

    Just how effective is Jannie as a LH?

    Surely Deon, Beast and in case of emergency then John can cover that much better than Jannie? Even John is a better LH than Jannie. On scrumming Jannie is in my mind better at 3 than John so this switching makes absolutely no logical sense?

  • Comment 19, posted at 29.01.10 14:35:00 by Morné Reply
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  • Ideally I would like to see a front row combination of Beast, Smit and BJ for the next couple of years for the Sharks and Boks, but without BJ, we’re back to Smit at 3 being our strongest combination.

  • Comment 20, posted at 29.01.10 14:35:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 11) : everything you post here belong to me. De facto :)

  • Comment 21, posted at 29.01.10 14:37:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : You have a Comp Sci degree from Tuks. I cannot believe that you managed to get through without learning to REFERENCE other people’s works. :roll:

  • Comment 22, posted at 29.01.10 14:38:23 by klempie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 19) : Jannie has been decent cover at LH in the past. I agree, that I would rather have Carstens as my bench cover at all times anyway, but some would say that leaves us woefully weak at TH cover in the game then. So that leaves Jannie on the bench and we need to know if a combo of Smit, Bissie and Jannie is better than a combo of Jannie, Bissie and Smit. I just think Plum is trying this so in the event that Beast does go down in a game, and Jannie is bench cover, we know exactly the best combination.

    I don’t think Jannie is a better scrumming 3 than John, I have seen Jannie go backwards at a rate while playing next to his brother as well.

  • Comment 23, posted at 29.01.10 14:39:09 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 20) :

    Scrum option I would actually go for Beast, John and Jannie.

    But for that you need to real grafters at lock in Sykes and Muller.

  • Comment 24, posted at 29.01.10 14:41:41 by Morné Reply
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  • Apparently the attempt to keep the brothers happy has placed Jannie ahead of Carstens in the pecking order. I’m sure this is why we heard rumours of Carstens leaving the Sharks and he may yet do so. It’s too bad really because Carstens offers much more around the park than Jannie and is decent cover at TH and excellent scrumming at LH.

  • Comment 25, posted at 29.01.10 14:42:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 24) : Agreed. :cool:

  • Comment 26, posted at 29.01.10 14:42:19 by klempie Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 23) :

    While playing next to his brother I am not surprised he will go backwards, next to Smit I do not see that happen anytime soon however.

    I will have Beast, Smit and Jannie starting.

    Bis and Deon off the bench.

    Deon can cover both 1 and 3, as can John in a real emergency.

  • Comment 27, posted at 29.01.10 14:43:29 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 24) : I agree that is the best scrumming option Morne. My point is consider all facets of play, the entire game, who would you rather have on the pitch? I said above you lose something in the scrums with Bissie at 2 and John at 3. My point is the problem lies more with Bissie at 2 than John at 3. Then Bissie offers so much more around the park than Jannie ever does. Jannie really is dead weight around the park.

  • Comment 28, posted at 29.01.10 14:44:04 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 27) : You are only considering scrumming Morne. You know better than anyone that there is much more to it than just scrumming. It is of course, very important, but not to the point of carrying a useless player just because they scrum well (Visagie).

  • Comment 29, posted at 29.01.10 14:45:55 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • If the Stormers pack goes backwards tonight, we’ll know whether Plummo has brainfarts or is in fact brilliant :roll:

  • Comment 30, posted at 29.01.10 14:46:26 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 28) :

    Fair enough, but from experience I would rather loose something around the park (my mentioning why I would pick Sykes and Muller) than anything in the scrum…

    You start losing there, you lose more than you should.

  • Comment 31, posted at 29.01.10 14:46:55 by Morné Reply
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  • I would rather have Carstens start at 3 than Jannie. He offers more around the park. I would rather have Beast, Smit and Carstens than Beast Smit and Jannie.

  • Comment 32, posted at 29.01.10 14:47:17 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I will not compromise my scrum if it can be avoided, but I would pick a dead weight (so my scrum would not suffer) and make sure the dead weight is carried by more dynamic grafters in my other forwards, i.e. sacrifice a Hargreaves for instance.

  • Comment 33, posted at 29.01.10 14:48:46 by Morné Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 32) : I would agree with that too.

  • Comment 34, posted at 29.01.10 14:49:21 by klempie Reply

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  • Carstens isn’t going backwards with Smit at 2 either. In fact, Carstens does not go backwards. He sometimes goes down, but never backwards. :lol:

  • Comment 35, posted at 29.01.10 14:49:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 32) :

    I can go with that, just have not seen Carsten pack down at 3 that recent to be honest, last time he packed down there for the Boks he was punished badly.

  • Comment 36, posted at 29.01.10 14:49:43 by Morné Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 32) :

    That means however that Jannie is on the bench covering 1 and 3? (If you start with Carsten at 3)

    You are also assuming Smit will last 80 minutes (cover 1 or 3 if need be)?

    hmmm…

    Nope, thinking about it again quickly, will start with Beast, Smit and Jannie, bring on the more mobile Bissie and Carstens on later after a solid foundation was laid. Of all the okes, Beast is the most likely to last 80 minutes at full tilt.

  • Comment 37, posted at 29.01.10 14:52:38 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 33) : Morne, first, I really enjoy discussing rugby with you, you have superior insight, and can always learn.

    I would tend to agree that at a lower level carrying some dead weight is a necessity, but surely at Super 14 and international level, athletes should be able to do more than one thing well. I am afraid the only reason we are forced to carry the dead weight of a Jannie is because of his brother. Jannie is decent, but that is where it ends. I think professionalism has ended the days of the superior scrumming prop who can do nothing else around the pitch like Visagie.

  • Comment 38, posted at 29.01.10 14:53:40 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 38) :

    I agree, it all comes down to Bissie.

    Pity is, Bis is a damn fine hooker but just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

  • Comment 39, posted at 29.01.10 14:55:03 by Morné Reply
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  • Rob this is a brilliant article. I hope you cc`d Plum and the entire management team?

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 38) :

    One thing we strongly agree on is Smit as the best hooker!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 41, posted at 29.01.10 14:55:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 37) : I would have Cilliers and Bissie on the bench, with Jannie delivering babies at St. Augustine’s. With these 5 front row players (Beast, Smit, Carstens, Bissie and Cilliers) you have 5 players that can all offer something around the park.

  • Comment 42, posted at 29.01.10 14:55:52 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 38) :

    Tell you what, I will personally ask Plum tonight what the thinking was okay!

  • Comment 43, posted at 29.01.10 14:56:20 by Morné Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 42) :

    His brother might just be the one having babies if your wish comes true! But yes, that is the best option.

  • Comment 44, posted at 29.01.10 14:57:23 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 39) : Bissie is very good throwing into lineouts (Smit is better though), Bissie is excellent around the pitch and superior fetching, and strong with ball in hand. Problem is he is a very poor scrummer, very poor. He really needs to put his ego aside and learn how to play hooker. Smit is the best scrumming hooker in the world and he is a tall hooker, like Bissie. Bissie has a huge opportunity to learn to scrum from the best, but he just can’t put his ego aside.

    I could write a dissertation on why Bissie scrums so poorly.

  • Comment 45, posted at 29.01.10 14:58:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 17) : like a dog with a new bone

  • Comment 46, posted at 29.01.10 15:00:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • I know I have come across very harshly on Jannie. Let me just say this, achieving what he has in his life is really amazing. He was able to make it through medical school and also make it to the Rugby World Cup as a member of the winning team. He really has accomplished an incredible amount in a short life span and should be very proud of what he has accomplished. I am afraid that there are just better rugby options at this time.

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 45) : Just remember to cite your references unlike the shoddy site owner.

  • Comment 48, posted at 29.01.10 15:02:02 by klempie Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 45) :

    Again agree on all the points.

    Bis is quickly losing the race to establish himself as not only SA’s premier hooker post 2011, but possibly the world’s premier hooker.

  • Comment 49, posted at 29.01.10 15:02:28 by Morné Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 47) : Perhaps a plan can be made for him as cover for the medical staff instead? :|

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 45) : please do :)

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  • @klempie (Comment 50) : Whatever he chooses to do with his medical training, he is one of the few players that can walk away from rugby knowing he will be able to contribute without rugby.

  • Comment 52, posted at 29.01.10 15:07:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 52) : I was just yanking yah tail big fella. ;)

  • Comment 53, posted at 29.01.10 15:08:56 by klempie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 49) : When I looked at the Stormers team for this game, first thought was that both their hookers are better than Bissie. Liebenberg and Fourie are fine hookers. Mate of mine went to school with Liebenberg and he said he is an amazing athlete, and quite the cricketer as well.

  • Comment 54, posted at 29.01.10 15:09:33 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 53) : :grin: I know. One would have thought that orthopedics would be the field for a guy like Jannie, but I believe he has gone into gynecology and obstetrics. If I am not mistaken he was in the middle of delivering a baby by c-section when he was told he was called up to the Boks for the 2007 RWC.

  • Comment 55, posted at 29.01.10 15:11:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 54) :

    It is difficult to argue that because for most Tiaan does tick all the correct boxes. However personally I reckon he is very similar to Bis. Line-outs not that great, although more consistent than not.

    Scrumming the same, nothing spectacular, but okay.

    As a ball carrier he like Bis tends to get too isolated.

    Bis tips it for me for being a bit stronger than Tiaan.

    As for his cricketing abilities, I know – he is the reason the Cobras cricket team could not beat the Stormers in their annual match!!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 29.01.10 15:14:58 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 56) : I need to watch Liebenberg more, but from what I recall, I thought he was a good scrumming hooker. Which would make him head and shoulders better than Bissie in this department :lol:

  • Comment 57, posted at 29.01.10 15:18:53 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 56) : What did Tiaan do in the cricket match?

  • Comment 58, posted at 29.01.10 15:19:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 55) : …but I believe he has gone into gynecology and obstetrics

    Not a bad choice at all.

  • Comment 59, posted at 29.01.10 15:20:20 by klempie Reply

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  • Morne, do you think that the fact that Smit has bulked up significantly since moving to 3 will result in him being a less effective hooker?

  • Comment 60, posted at 29.01.10 15:23:20 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 58) :

    He’d be klapping 6′s all over the show for the Stormers team against their Cape Town cricketing counterparts! Did the same last year where he brought them within a whisker of winning.

    This year they drew!

    Good fun day out the event.

  • Comment 61, posted at 29.01.10 15:24:21 by Morné Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 60) :

    I heard guys saying he bulked up quite a bit.

    I suppose I would be able to make a better assessment tonight and also ask him what he weighed in 2007 and what he tips the scale at tonight.

  • Comment 62, posted at 29.01.10 15:25:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 59) : Not so sure about that. Here in the US, if a baby does not exhibit signs of growing up into a Tiger Woods (sans the sex addiction :lol: ) by the age of 5, the parents sue the gynecologist!

  • Comment 63, posted at 29.01.10 15:25:53 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 55) : my sister is in the exact same system as jannie was, the interns rotate, so he has not gone into that for sure yet, actually have a bit of a funny story on jannie’s world cup call-up

  • Comment 64, posted at 29.01.10 15:27:20 by war1 Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 62) : according to SA Rugby, John now weighs 125kg!

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  • @Morné (Comment 61) : My friend said he is a very good tennis player as well. He said he never played much or practiced, but would sometimes get on the court with some poor bastard who has made tennis his first sport and his on the tennis team, and Tiaan would sommer smash him in the tennis. :lol:

    @Morné (Comment 62) : That would be lekker. He has definitely bulked up, to me it is clear to see. Generally we would like hookers to be a little more mobile than our THs, I just wonder if the added bulk has taken away same of his quickness. It would be awesome to hear Smit’s point of view on this. When I say bulked up, I mean much more muscle mass, John is still not carrying much excess if at all.

  • Comment 66, posted at 29.01.10 15:30:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : Kobus Wiese was 125kg at the 1995 RWC! :lol:

  • Comment 67, posted at 29.01.10 15:32:09 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 63) : What if the kid exhibits signs of growing into a first rate hooker? Can the gynaecologist tell that early? :|

  • Comment 68, posted at 29.01.10 15:32:20 by klempie Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 64) : Ah, not done his residency yet then. I was wondering if he was a resident when called up, but apparently not. Would love to hear the story.

  • Comment 69, posted at 29.01.10 15:33:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 66) :

    Will get the low-down tonight and John’s theory on this.

  • Comment 70, posted at 29.01.10 15:33:42 by Morné Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 68) : Since critical hooking traits are clearly hereditary (things like superior intelligence, good looks, body shape, etc), absolutely! My dad was a hooker, and I inherited all those traits and played hooker as well. :lol: My dad knew this when I was born.

  • Comment 71, posted at 29.01.10 15:35:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 70) : Sweeeeet!

  • Comment 72, posted at 29.01.10 15:36:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Sharksworld trivia question. What position did robdylan play when he played rugby? :wink:

  • Comment 73, posted at 29.01.10 15:39:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 69) : someone kept calling his cellphone and he kept on dropping the call as he did not know the number, the caller persisted and it turned out to be jake white who told him he needed to get his butt to france :lol:

  • Comment 74, posted at 29.01.10 15:41:16 by war1 Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 73) : 23rd man? It’s like the 12th man in cricket.

  • Comment 75, posted at 29.01.10 15:43:13 by klempie Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 71) : Bloody genetics, hey! My dad was a hooker and I turned out to be a lock.

  • Comment 76, posted at 29.01.10 15:45:13 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 73) :

    Loosie?

  • Comment 77, posted at 29.01.10 15:45:46 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 77) : Too small.

  • Comment 78, posted at 29.01.10 15:46:40 by klempie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 77) : Jake White would never pick him.

  • Comment 79, posted at 29.01.10 15:47:07 by klempie Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 74) : :lol:

    @klempie (Comment 75) : Nope. :lol:

  • Comment 80, posted at 29.01.10 15:48:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 76) : You must have been adopted. :wink:

  • Comment 81, posted at 29.01.10 15:48:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 77) : Nope….You are going to laugh when you find out.

  • Comment 82, posted at 29.01.10 15:49:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 82) : I reckon scrumhalf.

  • Comment 83, posted at 29.01.10 15:50:48 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 78) : :lol: :lol: Wait until you find out the position he played.

  • Comment 84, posted at 29.01.10 15:50:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 83) : :lol: nope that was Morne!

  • Comment 85, posted at 29.01.10 15:51:26 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • It’s weird to think I will be watching the Sharks tonight. It’s been ages.

  • Comment 86, posted at 29.01.10 15:53:46 by klempie Reply

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  • having fun? :)

  • Comment 87, posted at 29.01.10 15:54:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 81) : :smile:

  • Comment 88, posted at 29.01.10 16:06:06 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 87) : I have to run to the gym you going to tell them Rob, or should I? :wink:

  • Comment 89, posted at 29.01.10 16:07:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • rob played left back…………………… left back in the changeroom :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 90, posted at 29.01.10 16:08:35 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 89) : agree re the props with you

  • Comment 91, posted at 29.01.10 16:09:09 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Alright I can’t leave you all hanging and by the way, shame on you for all those things you said about Rob being left back and stuff like that. Rob was a lock when he played rugby!

  • Comment 92, posted at 29.01.10 16:11:33 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Alright, I am off cheers everyone, I have an hour on the bike ahead of me!

  • Comment 93, posted at 29.01.10 16:12:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 90) : That’s the same as the 23rd man! I was right!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 94, posted at 29.01.10 16:12:59 by klempie Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 92) : a lock on the front gate or back gate??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 95, posted at 29.01.10 16:16:05 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • :razz: lol sorry rob mate i couldn’t resist :lol:

  • Comment 96, posted at 29.01.10 16:16:39 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 92) : Rob must really like getting his head around sweaty balls…

  • Comment 97, posted at 29.01.10 16:22:36 by klempie Reply

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  • what position did you play, klemps? :)

  • Comment 98, posted at 29.01.10 16:34:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 98) : I was too busy giving the netball girls ice baths to play rugby. :smile:

  • Comment 99, posted at 29.01.10 16:36:40 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 99) : …and yet they all went to the matric dance with rugby players… :)

  • Comment 100, posted at 29.01.10 16:49:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : not really unless you commissioned the said posting. do you ask him to right all these … :mrgreen:

  • Comment 101, posted at 29.01.10 16:53:12 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 101) : in the words of Judge Dredd: “I am the law”

    @klempie (Comment 99) : dude, the more I think about that, the more creepy it is. Do you watch Big Bang Theory? You remind me a little of Howard Wolowitz…

  • Comment 102, posted at 29.01.10 16:58:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 102) : Actually I am FAR more like Sheldon. Scarily so. He’s said shit in that where I’m like, “Oh noooooo! I do that!” You have already noticed the pedant qualities. :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 103, posted at 29.01.10 17:01:50 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 100) : No matter. I took an import. :cool:

  • Comment 104, posted at 29.01.10 17:04:00 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 103) : ah yes… you DO have some of that quality :)

  • Comment 105, posted at 29.01.10 17:08:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 101) : Rob needs my controversy on the site. Everyone knows controversy (and sex but I am not offering that) sells.

  • Comment 106, posted at 29.01.10 17:15:09 by klempie Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 101) : right = write :oops: :oops:

    @robdylan (Comment 102) : who’s Judge Dredd and what is he doing on this site :lol:

  • Comment 107, posted at 29.01.10 17:27:09 by rekinek Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 106) : Strooli and his shenanigans provide as much controversy as we need :)

    But you’re right, klamps. This place wouldn’t be the same without you

  • Comment 108, posted at 29.01.10 17:52:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • The WP game has just proved this story right.

  • Comment 109, posted at 29.01.10 21:02:09 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 109) : how, exactly? Dude, I’m sorry, but if anything, the game completely disproved this. The only time I saw John going backwards, Blaauw was blown for scrumming around and in.

  • Comment 110, posted at 29.01.10 21:12:21 by robdylan Reply
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