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A definite advantage


Written by Pierre Teich (Original Pierre)

Posted in :Original Content, Super 14 on 1 Feb 2010 at 10:56
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Apart from the obvious differences between the SA sides in the super 14 and our NZ and OZ counterparts, I feel there is one import fact we are all missing.

What it boils down to is that their sides, stick together for lack of a better expression. Look at the history. Yes it`s possible that a top contender like the Crusaders will drop a match in South Africa against a side like the Bulls in Pretoria. Contrary to popular belief, they`re not totally invincible.

But what happens then? Do they fall into despair because they might have lost their possible home semi final position? No of course they don`t. That is because the Crusaders know they will just go to Johannesburg, Cape Town or Bloemfontein from there and pick up a bonus point win again. So what you may ask? The Bulls now have an advantage over them already, they won in Pretoria didn`t they?

Wrong I say. Because not only is it highly likely that the Crusaders will get a bonus point victory over another SA side . . . in SA, it is also likely that the Bulls will lose a crucial match against someone like the Highlanders, Hurricanes or Chiefs over in New Zealand. And this is where the difference comes in. New Zealand sides have the ability to “nullify” the slight advantage SA sides get over them by making sure their less serious contenders pull off a little upset over our big contenders here and there.

Imagine how much of a boost South Africa`s big contenders like the Bulls or Sharks could get up the log, if teams like the Lions and Cheetahs could do the same for them?

If all our teams had the ability to shut out the opposition when they come on their South African tours, the result would probably be two teams in the semi finals for us, on a regular basis.

But if their top contenders get bonus points on a silver platter from our weaker sides, they will always have the advantage of a home semi final. And then the fat lady starts clearing her throat for the opening phrases of “ Conquest of Paradise” . .



34 Comments

  • The difference between good and great team is that although great teams will lose the odd game, they never lose the same way twice…

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.02.10 11:03:54 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 1) : I like that :)

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.02.10 11:17:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • The point I`m trying to make here is that it is every single SA teams` responsibility to make it as difficult as possible for them over here.

    So, we don`t expect the Cheetahs to go out and win the super 14, but if they do their part by tripping up the opposing teams in Bloemfontein,without exception, they play an important part for all of us.

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.02.10 12:52:11 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 3) : I agree with you. But then our coaches do silly things like picking a B team against the Crusaders because they don’t think they can win.

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.02.10 13:03:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : Grrrrr…really really makes me want to spit snakes when they do that! And they go balls to the wall to beat the Sharks….if they can beat the sharks then they can beat any of the other S14 teams.

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.02.10 13:21:46 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 5) : Cheetahs :) I’ve written some very worked up articles about that…

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.02.10 13:42:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • I don`t want to complain because the FS or Lions for that matter select their strongest possible combination against the Sharks, I feel it`s justified. But I`m with Rob, if you give everything against each other cause you feel you`re in with a shout, you should give everything against the overseas teams as well cause even if you don`t beat them, you might keep them from a bonus point or creat just that little bit of self doubt in amongst them.

    They`ve got complete confidence in their ability to beat any SA team and we need to address this issue.

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.02.10 14:09:42 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 7) : spot on…. I reckon the Sharks seriously helped the Bulls out both times they won the bloody thing :mrgreen:

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.02.10 14:11:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • op you are missing a big factor in your article and it is the factor that makes it look like the overseas teams stand together. it is the dreaded tour. sa teams get up to 5 weeks away from home whereas the longest the kiwis or oz teams have to stay away is 3 weeks. this plays a big part in sa teams not being as effective. but i agree, sa teams shouldn’t be throwing away home games, yet they do every year. ask the sharks.

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.02.10 14:44:00 by try time Reply

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  • Now…If John Plumtree can not put the right combinations together let us help him by hoping he will read this and see what the fans want.

    Here is my starting line-up,i know alot of you guys might not agree with me but lets work together and sort this out and make sure it gets to plumtree, and lets stick with one team we have decided on for the whole season and believe in that team!.(make changes where you like.)

    1. Beast Mtawarira
    2. Bismarck du Plessis
    3. John Smit (c)
    4. Steven Sykes
    5. Johan Muller
    6. Jaques Botes
    7. Jean Deysel
    8. Ryan Kankowski

    9. Charl Mcleod
    10. Ruan Pienaar
    11. J.P Pietersen
    12. Steve Meyer
    13. Adrian Jacobs
    14. Odwa Ndugane
    15. Stephan Terreblance

    (I Believe the steve meyer and adi jacobs combination can work)
    Let work together and agree on one team.

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.02.10 18:51:23 by The Shark Reply

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  • @The Shark (Comment 10) : you might just be onto something with Meyer at 12…

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.02.10 20:07:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : I realy believe they should give Meyer a go at 12, what do we have to lose?. I can promise you it can only be better than what we have at 12 now. He is a good distributer of the ball and that is exactly what we need at 12, a guy who gets the backline flowing. He can bring in tactical kicking and has a flyhalf’s instinct, a perfect 12 from my perspective. I think Plum should give him a go.

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.02.10 21:36:28 by The Shark Reply

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  • @The Shark (Comment 12) : well, let’s just wait and see if we can get Ruan firing at 10 first… :)

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.02.10 21:39:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • Did you guys hear what Snorre said last night on SR?

    Can`t remember his exact words but what it boiled down to was that Smit would play at 3 for as long as we have to wait for BJ to come back then he`ll move to 2.

    This means we`ll have Smit at 3 for the sharks through the whole super 14.

  • Comment 14, posted at 02.02.10 08:13:43 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • I see we’re at the top of the log already! Cooool! :lol:

  • Comment 15, posted at 02.02.10 08:18:56 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 14) : interesting. It means he doesn’t see any international-quality tightheads on the local scene

  • Comment 16, posted at 02.02.10 08:29:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 14) :
    I saw that, but I dont think Plum will follow PdeV’s request as faithfully as he did in previous years, his statements re Ruan last year suggest this.
    The positive, for me, from that statement is that BJ is on his way back as opposed to a post I read yesterday mentioning that He and Johan Muller are going to be teammates in the UK.

  • Comment 17, posted at 02.02.10 08:59:28 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 17) : still really keen to get to the bottom of that one, let me tell you. Our friends at the Front Row Union reckon Ulster are very confident about retaining BJ’s services. I’ve been led to be believe that he’ll be back with the Sharks by mid-year.

    BTW, am I the only one who can’t get to either Keo or Rugby365 this morning?

  • Comment 18, posted at 02.02.10 09:05:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : wait – could just be my broadband acting up

  • Comment 19, posted at 02.02.10 09:06:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • Dollie @ 10 for Sharks :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 02.02.10 09:24:00 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : I also struggled to get on Keo, but managed eventually. I an’t get onto News24 or IOL though. Do they have the same ISP?

  • Comment 21, posted at 02.02.10 09:45:39 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) :
    Your broadband, or you are banned.

  • Comment 22, posted at 02.02.10 09:51:48 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 21) : starting to think there’s a link down somewhere. Seems to be a problem getting to South African sites from Europe

  • Comment 23, posted at 02.02.10 09:53:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 20) : bite your tongue :-) the shire is full

  • Comment 24, posted at 02.02.10 09:54:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : Sites are slow in South Africa :evil:

  • Comment 25, posted at 02.02.10 10:02:48 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) : :twisted:

  • Comment 26, posted at 02.02.10 10:03:28 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 25) : good i thought it was just mine, not just sa sites, everything

  • Comment 27, posted at 02.02.10 10:12:03 by willa Reply

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  • Howdy! Did i hear Dollie will be the Sharks’ starting 10 this year??
    :lol:

  • Comment 28, posted at 02.02.10 10:17:27 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 28) : thats odd, i heard hes becoming a cheerleader for wp with fourie and habana :lol:

  • Comment 29, posted at 02.02.10 10:19:54 by willa Reply

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  • ok, so all the guys in Cape Town seem to have heard something about Dollie. The news hasn’t hit Sevenoaks yet. Fill me in?

  • Comment 30, posted at 02.02.10 11:03:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nah Rob, some blogger on keo mentioned it earlier. Let me give you a hint as to who this person is.
    Does the term ‘terbo reverse’ mean anything to you?? :grin:

  • Comment 31, posted at 02.02.10 11:31:54 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 31) : so it started with him? Let me mail him

  • Comment 32, posted at 02.02.10 11:35:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • According to an article on iAfrica you need to win around 8 or 9 to reach the semi`s. I had a look our fixtures and this might not be impossible.

    I think we might take the Chiefs in Durban cause they might still be suffering the after effects of their last visit to SA.
    The FS match is key and might be one of our most difficult. If we get through this intact we`ll have a shot, if not, we`ll need to knock over a big contender overseas!
    So lets say we lose against Crusers, `Tahs and ACT over there.
    If our confidence isn`t too low and if the Injury Gods smile on us we might have a chance against the Highlanders in Dunedin. This could be a crucial one . . .
    The Hurricanes might be a bridge too far but then we come back to face the Reds . . . another bogey side but at least it`s in Durban and if we`re not too far off the pace on the log at this stage the crowd might help us through this one.
    We have the Lions up next, who will probably have a couple of injury concerns of their own by now so we should get past them and then the Blues in Durban . . not impossible.
    If everything goes according to plan we should be in with a shout by now which might motivate the boys enough to roll over the Bulls in P town but even if we fail we still have the Stormers and Force in Durban.
    Yes we just lost against these guys and we should probably not expect to win but the Force don`t really have a good record in SA and if the Stormers aren`t in real contention by this time we could do it.

    There, the whole season plan laid out for you. . .

  • Comment 33, posted at 02.02.10 12:14:43 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Pretty interesting read and some very valid points there Boet. First off a very important point is the rule change (to the old ones)this year. Think that may help our teams a lot. Just to add to your point think its important that the Bulls and Stormers plays well. They have the same opposition for week after week. The one team have to slam the opposition , this give the next team to take them pon low on confidense. The trend for the oversea teams when they get here and the Stormers blast them, it make it easier for the Brutes to follow up with the same thing. I hope all our teams will play some good rugby this year and is gatvol to see our teams at the bottom of the log.

  • Comment 34, posted at 02.02.10 12:56:22 by PaarlBok Reply

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