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		<title>By: robdylan</title>
		<link>http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2010/02/08/is-willem-worth-the-risk/comment-page-2/#comment-170591</link>
		<dc:creator>robdylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-170587&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Greg&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Comment 56) : with you on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-170587" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000">Greg</font></a> (Comment 56) : with you on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-170586&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;robdylan&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Comment 55) : Yep, now wouldn&#039;t it be nice if they would both just peas off :idea:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-170586" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000">robdylan</font></a> (Comment 55) : Yep, now wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if they would both just peas off <img src='http://www.sharksworld.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_idea.gif' alt=':idea:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: robdylan</title>
		<link>http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2010/02/08/is-willem-worth-the-risk/comment-page-2/#comment-170586</link>
		<dc:creator>robdylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-170582&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Greg&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Comment 53) : Manie and Dolf - two peas in a pod, of you ask me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-170582" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000">Greg</font></a> (Comment 53) : Manie and Dolf &#8211; two peas in a pod, of you ask me</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-170521&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;KSA Shark ©&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Comment 49) : That may well have been the case, there certainly has been a lot of unhappiness within the camp. I am not convinced that Manie is the best choice for CEO, and prof Jannie dragged the union into the gutter. However, I do believe that with Kevin at the helm, that things will turn around, and that the Lions will once again become a union for which players want to play. As for Manie, he will still be there, but despite what I think of him and his management style, I would still rather have him than Rudolf :grin:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-170521" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000">KSA Shark ©</font></a> (Comment 49) : That may well have been the case, there certainly has been a lot of unhappiness within the camp. I am not convinced that Manie is the best choice for CEO, and prof Jannie dragged the union into the gutter. However, I do believe that with Kevin at the helm, that things will turn around, and that the Lions will once again become a union for which players want to play. As for Manie, he will still be there, but despite what I think of him and his management style, I would still rather have him than Rudolf <img src='http://www.sharksworld.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: robdylan</title>
		<link>http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2010/02/08/is-willem-worth-the-risk/comment-page-2/#comment-170583</link>
		<dc:creator>robdylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-170575&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Greg&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Comment 52) : fair enough, fair enough.

Look, we are a little arrogant at times. But we&#039;re not the only ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-170575" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000">Greg</font></a> (Comment 52) : fair enough, fair enough.</p>
<p>Look, we are a little arrogant at times. But we&#8217;re not the only ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-170513&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;robdylan&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Comment 48) : Agreed, and arrogant supporters, irrespective have the team they support, give true supporters a bad name. I was composing my comment offline, and in the meantime comment 44 was posted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-170513" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000">robdylan</font></a> (Comment 48) : Agreed, and arrogant supporters, irrespective have the team they support, give true supporters a bad name. I was composing my comment offline, and in the meantime comment 44 was posted!</p>
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		<title>By: monster</title>
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		<dc:creator>monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-170498&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;robdylan&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Commen :lol:  :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-170498" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000">robdylan</font></a> (Commen <img src='http://www.sharksworld.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://www.sharksworld.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: KSA Shark ©</title>
		<link>http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2010/02/08/is-willem-worth-the-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-170523</link>
		<dc:creator>KSA Shark ©</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-170452&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;monster&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Comment 44) : 

&lt;i&gt;The fine to SARU could be up to a million rand and GLRU could sue for compensation for losses ext.&lt;/i&gt;

What losses, they don&#039;t win anything anyway, with OR without Alberts and Ludik.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-170452" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000">monster</font></a> (Comment 44) : </p>
<p><i>The fine to SARU could be up to a million rand and GLRU could sue for compensation for losses ext.</i></p>
<p>What losses, they don&#8217;t win anything anyway, with OR without Alberts and Ludik.</p>
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		<title>By: KSA Shark ©</title>
		<link>http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2010/02/08/is-willem-worth-the-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-170521</link>
		<dc:creator>KSA Shark ©</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-170483&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Greg&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Comment 46) : 

It seems to me that the Lions MUST be the worst employer (read have the worst working environment) there is in the big five unions in SA.

Either their contracts are kak or their working conditions (read people management) are even worse.

Why is it ONLY the Lions that are involved with players running away or wanting to run away either to other provinces or just plain not turning up for practice.

Let me tell you the Lions can thank their lucky stars that there is some sort of regulations because if their weren&#039;t they would probably have no bloody employees (read players)

Let&#039;s face it their are a kak employer.  even the Cheetahs who have a MUCH worse Super rugby record keep their players much easier than the kak Lions do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-170483" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000">Greg</font></a> (Comment 46) : </p>
<p>It seems to me that the Lions MUST be the worst employer (read have the worst working environment) there is in the big five unions in SA.</p>
<p>Either their contracts are kak or their working conditions (read people management) are even worse.</p>
<p>Why is it ONLY the Lions that are involved with players running away or wanting to run away either to other provinces or just plain not turning up for practice.</p>
<p>Let me tell you the Lions can thank their lucky stars that there is some sort of regulations because if their weren&#8217;t they would probably have no bloody employees (read players)</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it their are a kak employer.  even the Cheetahs who have a MUCH worse Super rugby record keep their players much easier than the kak Lions do.</p>
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		<title>By: robdylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>robdylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-170483&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;Greg&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Comment 46) : the way you feel about 43 is about the same way I feel about 44...

arrogant in the extreme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-170483" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000">Greg</font></a> (Comment 46) : the way you feel about 43 is about the same way I feel about 44&#8230;</p>
<p>arrogant in the extreme.</p>
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		<title>By: robdylan</title>
		<link>http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2010/02/08/is-willem-worth-the-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-170498</link>
		<dc:creator>robdylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-170452&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;monster&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Comment 44) : need help paying Dick&#039;s bar bill already?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-170452" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000">monster</font></a> (Comment 44) : need help paying Dick&#8217;s bar bill already?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-170369&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;rhineshark&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Comment 43) : It&#039;s comments like that that really make my blood boil.

The attitude &#039;We are the mighty sharks, we will do whatever we want, and f*ck everyone else&#039;

Whatever the merits of the case, on both sides, whether the contracts are ultimately deemed to be valid or not, there is a procedure that needs to be followed. This procedure is detailed in the SARU document entitled Player Movements. It is very specific. Amongst other things the Transferee (the team to which players are moving) may NOT approach any players contracted to another province unless within 120 days of expiry of the contract, without the consent of the Transferor(province from which he is leaving). The player may not participate in ANY game, and it specifically mentions friendly games, until a clearance certificate has been issued. The sharks wanted these two. They should have entered into negotiations with the transferor, paid a transfer fee, and obtained a clearance certificate. If they felt that the contract was invalid, they should have approached an arbitrator. The question is : Why didn&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-170369" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000">rhineshark</font></a> (Comment 43) : It&#8217;s comments like that that really make my blood boil.</p>
<p>The attitude &#8216;We are the mighty sharks, we will do whatever we want, and f*ck everyone else&#8217;</p>
<p>Whatever the merits of the case, on both sides, whether the contracts are ultimately deemed to be valid or not, there is a procedure that needs to be followed. This procedure is detailed in the SARU document entitled Player Movements. It is very specific. Amongst other things the Transferee (the team to which players are moving) may NOT approach any players contracted to another province unless within 120 days of expiry of the contract, without the consent of the Transferor(province from which he is leaving). The player may not participate in ANY game, and it specifically mentions friendly games, until a clearance certificate has been issued. The sharks wanted these two. They should have entered into negotiations with the transferor, paid a transfer fee, and obtained a clearance certificate. If they felt that the contract was invalid, they should have approached an arbitrator. The question is : Why didn&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Original Pierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Original Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here`s a thought!  Lets be optimistic, say nothing happens and both LL and WA are cleared to play for us without penalties involved.

Why stop there then?  

Lets get King Carlos and Jannes Labuschagne here as well, just act quickly before they can do anything else to their contracts and lets face it, we need a quality flyhalf right now and will need some depth at lock soon  :grin:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here`s a thought!  Lets be optimistic, say nothing happens and both LL and WA are cleared to play for us without penalties involved.</p>
<p>Why stop there then?  </p>
<p>Lets get King Carlos and Jannes Labuschagne here as well, just act quickly before they can do anything else to their contracts and lets face it, we need a quality flyhalf right now and will need some depth at lock soon  <img src='http://www.sharksworld.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: monster</title>
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		<dc:creator>monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fine to SARU could be up to a million rand and GLRU could sue for compensation for losses ext.

My personal feeling (as a lions supporter) is that the contracts of Alberts and Ludick are not valid(same as JF) and the Sharks will aquire there services. The Sharks most probily will pay a fine to Saru for playing Alberts after SARU said he may not play. Worst case scenario is that SARU may tell the sharks that this case must go to arbitration and Willem and louis must sit and wait for a month and a half to solve this problem.

Or
Penalty to SARU     R 1 milj
Transfer fees LL    R 2 milj
Transfer fees WA    R 2 milj
Legal fees          R .3 milj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fine to SARU could be up to a million rand and GLRU could sue for compensation for losses ext.</p>
<p>My personal feeling (as a lions supporter) is that the contracts of Alberts and Ludick are not valid(same as JF) and the Sharks will aquire there services. The Sharks most probily will pay a fine to Saru for playing Alberts after SARU said he may not play. Worst case scenario is that SARU may tell the sharks that this case must go to arbitration and Willem and louis must sit and wait for a month and a half to solve this problem.</p>
<p>Or<br />
Penalty to SARU     R 1 milj<br />
Transfer fees LL    R 2 milj<br />
Transfer fees WA    R 2 milj<br />
Legal fees          R .3 milj</p>
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		<title>By: rhineshark</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhineshark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see what there is to risk. If we lose the case we stand to lose both Alberts and Ludik, whether they&#039;ve played for us or not. The worst that can happen is probably a fine and/or compensating the GLRU financially. I reckon we should play Alberts and to hell with the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see what there is to risk. If we lose the case we stand to lose both Alberts and Ludik, whether they&#8217;ve played for us or not. The worst that can happen is probably a fine and/or compensating the GLRU financially. I reckon we should play Alberts and to hell with the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: FireTheLooser</title>
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		<dc:creator>FireTheLooser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-170353&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;try time&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Comment 41) : Zang (Excellent)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-170353" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000">try time</font></a> (Comment 41) : Zang (Excellent)</p>
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		<title>By: try time</title>
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		<dc:creator>try time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>more good news is ruan, deon carstens, rory and jacques botes are all fit and should all be in the starting 22. apparently ruan won&#039;t start though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more good news is ruan, deon carstens, rory and jacques botes are all fit and should all be in the starting 22. apparently ruan won&#8217;t start though.</p>
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		<title>By: robdylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>robdylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some news at last:

The South African Rugby Union on Monday confirmed that a hearing into a complaint against the KwaZulu-Natal Rugby Union and players Louis Ludik and Willem Alberts would be heard on Wednesday.

The complaint was brought by the Golden Lions Rugby Union who alleged that the Sharks - the commercial entity of the KwaZulu-Natal Rugby Union - had not secured the necessary clearance certificates required before contracting the players. 

The Lions also charged that the two players remained under contract to them.

The Lions allege that this constituted a breach of SARU regulations relating to the Movement of Players and asked SARU to investigate the complaint.

Koos Basson - the former chairman of the SARU disciplinary committee -has been appointed as Judicial Officer and will hear the complaint at SARU&#039;s offices in Newlands on Wednesday, February 10 at 10am.

from SAPA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some news at last:</p>
<p>The South African Rugby Union on Monday confirmed that a hearing into a complaint against the KwaZulu-Natal Rugby Union and players Louis Ludik and Willem Alberts would be heard on Wednesday.</p>
<p>The complaint was brought by the Golden Lions Rugby Union who alleged that the Sharks &#8211; the commercial entity of the KwaZulu-Natal Rugby Union &#8211; had not secured the necessary clearance certificates required before contracting the players. </p>
<p>The Lions also charged that the two players remained under contract to them.</p>
<p>The Lions allege that this constituted a breach of SARU regulations relating to the Movement of Players and asked SARU to investigate the complaint.</p>
<p>Koos Basson &#8211; the former chairman of the SARU disciplinary committee -has been appointed as Judicial Officer and will hear the complaint at SARU&#8217;s offices in Newlands on Wednesday, February 10 at 10am.</p>
<p>from SAPA</p>
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		<title>By: Megatron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megatron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-170337&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;war1&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Comment 38) : why go to all the trouble of poaching players &amp; the grandstanding that came along with it only not to play the players?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-170337" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000">war1</font></a> (Comment 38) : why go to all the trouble of poaching players &#038; the grandstanding that came along with it only not to play the players?</p>
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		<title>By: war1</title>
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		<dc:creator>war1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and i agree with rob, dont play alberts until this issue is sorted out, make oom bj and oom strools pay a fine, regardless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and i agree with rob, dont play alberts until this issue is sorted out, make oom bj and oom strools pay a fine, regardless</p>
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