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Time to trust the structures


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 17 Feb 2010 at 01:26
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Gerhard Mostert will see a specialist in Pretoria tomorrow to find out exactly what the prognosis is on his injured shoulder. Sharks doctor Craig Roberts’ assessment is far from positive and we’re expecting the big lock to be ruled out for the entire 2010 Super 14, if not the whole season.

As terrible a blow as this is, it is time for John Plumtree to fall back on the structures that have been put in place in Durban when looking for Mostert’s replacement. Any talk of a crisis in the second row is nothing but fallacy, as we pointed out a few weeks ago and while other websites are now questioning the decision to let Albert van den Berg go, I feel that this is a superb opportunity to test one of the umpteen young locks in the system and see who is ready to step up.

Johann Muller is another player who is doubtful for the weekend, after a (completely unpunished) swinging arm to the neck in the game against the Chiefs. While Alistair Hargreaves, himself a Bok midweek player, is a no-brainer as replacement for Mostert in the match 22, the more uncomfortable scenario will see the former SA Under 19 captain coming straight into the number 5 jersey if Muller too is ruled out against the Cheetahs. This leaves Plumtree with somewhat of a headache when it comes to the number 18 jersey, although in Mike Rhodes, the coach has a young player who is more than capable of deputising at this level of the game.

While the temptation will always be to pick Willem Alberts out of position at lock, I feel that this will be counter-productive and negate the players strengths. Why take a very good loose forward and turn him into a stopgap lock, rather than picking a young lock and letting him do his thing? While Rhodes himself has divided his time pretty much evenly between the second and back rows recently, at 1.97m he is far more “lock-sized” than the more compact 1.91m Alberts. Jandre Marais, Anton Bresler and even Meyer Swanepoel, who is the same height as Rhodes but a couple of kilos heavier (112kg) would all be sensible selections. I mean, come on – if the Cheetahs can pick an unknown like Walti Vermeulen as their reserve lock, why should the Sharks not be able to trust one of their own youngsters to do the job?

The problem, as always, tends to come back to Plumtree’s conservatism in selection; he’d rather play a senior out of position than give a youngster the opportunity to stake a claim. We saw this in the Super 14 last year, where Keegan Daniel was fielded at 7 while Justin Downey carried water bottles. The mad scramble to sign a “Super 14 quality” flyhalf led to the Steve Meyer debacle, whereas one feels that if they’d just rather decided to back Pat Lambie to get on with it, perhaps that move wouldn’t have been necessary. The treatment of Guy Cronjé in last year’s Currie Cup was yet more proof. Even when grudgingly picked, the players around him were clearly under strict instruction to ensure the youngster wasn’t given the ball, unless as a last resort! Giving Wiehahn Herbst the opportunity to start at tighthead, with the master John Smit next to him would do the youngster the world of good and also give the coach an opportunity to assess the team dynamics without the petulant du Plessis gang in the mix. About as likely to happen as snow on the Durban beachfront on Christmas Day, I fear.

The Sharks are crying out for fresh blood in a number of positions, particularly in the backs and one could only dream about what might be if players like Lwazi Mvovo, Luzuko Vulindlu, Jerome Pretorius and Jean Stemmet were actually given gametime and allowed to flourish. Instead, though, we stick with the same tried-and-tested old guard who in many cases are playing with the complacency that comes from knowing that your seniority will prevent you from being dropped. Food for thought? Is it too ambitious to hope that we might finally see a more adventurous approach in this year’s Super 14? Or will it be another campaign of panic buying and out-of-position selections every time injury strikes?



98 Comments

  • as a footnote, I’m sure you’ll all joining me in wishing Gerhard luck for his appointment. Let’s keep fingers crossed that it’s not as serious as at first thought.

  • Comment 1, posted at 17.02.10 01:30:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : “mike rhodes…is more than capable to deputise at this level” any evidence to support your assertion?

  • Comment 2, posted at 17.02.10 07:25:12 by Megatron Reply

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  • I agree, we need to test the younger guys, whats going to happen when most older guys retire or goes to another team? I guess management will IMPORT again :twisted:

  • Comment 3, posted at 17.02.10 07:58:57 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 2) : he’s come through the ranks and looked good in the Currie Cup. Everyone has to start somewhere

  • Comment 4, posted at 17.02.10 08:00:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : They should actualy just get old Mos into a compresion chamber, the same as they used for Jouba in ’95, it does miracles in healing the body super fast….hope all goes well for the fellow.

  • Comment 5, posted at 17.02.10 08:11:28 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • So Rob when I read between the lines you`re saying we shouldn`t treat this super 14 seriously but rather use it to bring through the new players?

    This is gonna be tough on supporters like me . . .

  • Comment 6, posted at 17.02.10 08:18:20 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Agree with you Rob, why is Plum so adamant in not using the young talent we have….problem with him seems he’s more concerned with his position and taking the safe road instead of continuing to build the Sharks reserves into Springboks.

    Unless it is my friend sitting behind this, might be why Plum is looking for a change of franchise. It is old ver-Straeuli that’s responsible for buying the new players, could he be pulling the selection strings behind the scenes also?

    The pornstar puppeteer plot thickens.

  • Comment 7, posted at 17.02.10 08:19:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Rob the biggest issue you sit with is that Plum is concerned about the Cheetah scrum, and his out of form tight 5 or front row.

    If you pack an inexperienced lock behind an ‘inexperienced’ tighthead prop like John Smit, you might be looking for trouble.

    Of course this can all change if Smit is simply played at hooker…

  • Comment 8, posted at 17.02.10 08:20:44 by Morné Reply
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  • As for the structure, I wrote on this very blog last year on my irritation how we consistently refuse to bring through young talented players and put trust in them.

  • Comment 9, posted at 17.02.10 08:21:30 by Morné Reply
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  • seems to be a SA problem in general….exceptions being Muir at the lions. Simply put we dont trust the up and coming youngsters…..Stormers Lionel Cronje an example too. A ‘real ‘ 10…but we prefer Grant, who some say is a better 12 and certainly does not have the boot ….

    I think Plum will stick to the tried and teasted against Cheetahs…it really is a Rubicon game for the Sharks, and Cheetahs. Plum wont gamble.When is the team being announced?

  • Comment 10, posted at 17.02.10 08:22:47 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 6) : I think it’s more balancing experience with youth, get the young guys to build confidence with the backing of the seniors and give them a chance to prove themselves.

    A guy like Rhodes has proven himself to be more than capable at this level after giving huge performances in the CC last year. I think he played in the CC semi and seemed to be the only player on the field wanting the win.

  • Comment 11, posted at 17.02.10 08:24:36 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • bulls set to unleash Stefan Dippenaar….21 year old…against Mortlock. Good on them…

  • Comment 12, posted at 17.02.10 08:24:55 by grant10 Reply

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  • The Cheetah scrum didn`t look as good as the powerhouse 2009 version on Saturday. Maybe that was just because they played against a super 14 team and not a CC one for a change . . .

    I still feel we`ll struggle though, but I`d like to see our team first. Don`t think there will be huge changes.

  • Comment 13, posted at 17.02.10 08:26:54 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 10) : I can’t however see Rhodes as a gamble, for me he should be in the starting fifteen at flank at least, especialy with the interpretation of the law, you need a big strong flank that can counter ruck…that boy is a machine and he needs to be in the team.

  • Comment 14, posted at 17.02.10 08:27:47 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • If Plum won’t do it, someone else will have to. Read something interesting on the Natal cricket team, the Dolphins, they are releasing 5 of their players who could be termed as their star players so as to give the younger players a chance to come through, so that KZN youngsters would want to play for the Dolphins and build a new team culture and not one of mercenaries, maybe this is what is required, rebuild the squad with a real team culture

  • Comment 15, posted at 17.02.10 08:28:48 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 15) : And real local talent

  • Comment 16, posted at 17.02.10 08:31:38 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I don’t think there’s any need to make any panicky decisions. I have watched and re watched the game and I am sure the Sharks will up there game and trash the Cheetahs. You couldn’t possible want to make changes to a back line that barely saw any ball. Dumond and Kocket made way to many pointless kicks that simply gave away possession. Seriously, at first I though it was really bad, but after calming down, aside from the injuries, I think the Sharks will be a force to be reckoned with. And I don’t mind the underdog tag we are getting. That means teams won’t expect as much from us and that could never hurt.

  • Comment 17, posted at 17.02.10 08:31:50 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 17) : Yeah, me too loving the underdog tag…Sharks will do fine with Ruan at FH…him and Swannie were the missing links…Monty and Dries were a dead spot which we’ll be rid of this weekend.

  • Comment 18, posted at 17.02.10 08:35:13 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 14) : i was impressed the robust,physical approach of rhodes the little i saw of him. But i dont believe the Sharks problems are there loosies….i think your concerns are front row, and 12.

  • Comment 19, posted at 17.02.10 08:37:03 by grant10 Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 18) : wait for the team announcement first ;-)

  • Comment 20, posted at 17.02.10 08:37:10 by war1 Reply
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  • I agree that mike rhodes and hargreaves should be trusted to step up for our injured players. Otherwise why are they there. Hargreaves has been with the Sharks for a while now and Rhodes has played well in the Carrie Cup when given a chance. If these guys aren’t good enough to cover injured players in their positions, then we should have had someone there to cover an injury or two.
    That goes for every other position. After our match 22, do we have players that we would trust to play of the bench or even later start in all positions.

    I mean you don’t want a whole team of inexperienced players, but when one or two new guys comes in they should be good enough to grow from some super 14 game time with an experienced team around them.

  • Comment 21, posted at 17.02.10 08:37:36 by Letgo Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 12) :

    What is impressive about the Bulls is not what they do (bring through youngsters) but how they do it.

    Dippenaar is/will be surrounded by a massive amount of experience. The balance is crucial.

    Cronje for the Stormers will have a young, inexperienced Duvenhage on his inside, and an even more inexperienced De Jongh on his outside…

    Not the most clever move that. Unless forced through injury.

  • Comment 22, posted at 17.02.10 08:38:12 by Morné Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 20) : Ja I wanted to actualy say hopefully Dries won’t be there, surely Ruan will, surely :?: :!:

  • Comment 23, posted at 17.02.10 08:40:20 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 22) : ja…makes sense….hopefully with JDV set to return Lionel will get some exposure….and certainly he should get some game time in the CC and the odd Super 14 match….

  • Comment 24, posted at 17.02.10 08:40:48 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 19) : concerns only because they should have been fixed

  • Comment 25, posted at 17.02.10 08:43:29 by war1 Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 19) : Definitely 12, hopefully Swannie will be there this Friday….

    Front row, well I’m still wishing John will get the hang of TH, but the way the Duppies are kinda becoming part of the ‘scum’ element at the tank, we might actualy be willing to sacrifice Bis at 2 and get John back there… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 26, posted at 17.02.10 08:43:44 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • We can rant and rave all we want, its not going to help. Does anyone ever listen?? I think its time we keep our mouths shut and then maybe, just maybe, someone will start to listen.

  • Comment 27, posted at 17.02.10 08:44:02 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 23) : I expect Ruan to be there as well, apparently Strauss is there for his leadership, i dont have a problem with him at 12, but having him at 13 like in the currie cup is not on

  • Comment 28, posted at 17.02.10 08:45:53 by war1 Reply
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  • @Jarson’s (X + V) (Comment 27) : Have you seen the state of ver-Straeuli’s ears, that pornstar won’t ever be able to hear, and he’s to thick to listen… :x

  • Comment 29, posted at 17.02.10 08:46:58 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Jarson’s (X + V) (Comment 27) : how can someone listen when we are keeping our mouths shut? then there is nothing to listen to ;-)

  • Comment 30, posted at 17.02.10 08:47:17 by war1 Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 26) : smit at 3 means you will never do better than maybe hold your own….even against the most average of super 14 scrums. He ,,,bissy and beast simply dont cut the mustard. That has resulted in huge dips in form of Kanko and Kockitt….whose careers nosedived because of the shocking scrum platform. I assure you, that is your achilles heel. It will take brave management to sort that one out.

  • Comment 31, posted at 17.02.10 08:47:48 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 9) : i agree, it seems to me that it’s in out national psyche not to trust young players, we would rather squeeze out the lifeblood out of the old workhorses. I’m not sure if it has anything to do with the inability to manage / coach the youngsters properly.

    You look at the New Zealand sides they have youngster coming throught EVERY year eg israel dagg, zac guilford, kade poki, daniel kirkpatrick, robbie fruean, aaron cruden, isaac ross…

  • Comment 32, posted at 17.02.10 08:47:51 by Megatron Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 30) : exactly :wink:

  • Comment 33, posted at 17.02.10 08:49:12 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 32) : i agree with you…..i would gamble more on the talented youngster….we too conservative.

  • Comment 34, posted at 17.02.10 08:50:03 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 31) : brave & plum cannot be put in the same sentence….john smit is coaching the Sharks

  • Comment 35, posted at 17.02.10 08:50:41 by Megatron Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 28) : The problem with Strauss is, he’s as bland a player as Monty, doesn’t do much wrong, but hasn’t done much for the team either….

    Monty, Strauss and Od-one are the three bland players in the team…they don’t realy add much on attack, they’re just there filling the gaps

  • Comment 36, posted at 17.02.10 08:52:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I will gladly accept a bad year or 2, if it means we will be having 4 to 5 excellent years :twisted: thats my last 2c on this subject

  • Comment 37, posted at 17.02.10 08:55:07 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 31) : Bravery in Sharks management, if I’m not mistaken that phrase is considered a contradiction-in-terms :mrgreen:

  • Comment 38, posted at 17.02.10 08:55:38 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 35) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 38) : LOL

    Well if Smit is coaching the Sharks i suggest he rejig that front row.

    At least you boys got the CC 2008 to remember.

    Imagine how us Stormers / wp fans feel!!

  • Comment 39, posted at 17.02.10 08:57:46 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 39) : Before ’08 I remember how we felt, 12 years so close yet so far, still unable to shake the chokers tag

  • Comment 40, posted at 17.02.10 09:00:00 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 39) : upload a picture and you’ll have your first star :)

  • Comment 41, posted at 17.02.10 09:05:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 40) : afraid 2008 was just an anomaly. We were back on form in 2009, throwing away both trophies. Sigh.

  • Comment 42, posted at 17.02.10 09:07:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 40) : yes…i know….at least you boys made finals!

    Sharks my 2 nd best team….was Regional Manager of a bank…looked afterC T to Durbs for 5 years and spent a lot of time at the tank with clients,etc in a Box Bank had. Some great years….not a load of trohies but enjoyed the sharks culture. Butch one of my favorite 10 s, Frans Steyn class….Barritt….

    Such a waste losing that talent.

  • Comment 43, posted at 17.02.10 09:07:31 by grant10 Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) : LOL

    My girlfriendis the techno one….i barely know how to post!!!

  • Comment 44, posted at 17.02.10 09:08:41 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 44) : You got your star without your pic, congrats Grant10 ma boyeeeeeeee

  • Comment 45, posted at 17.02.10 09:13:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • jake Shatz….19 year old Reds flanker to make debut against Saders on Sat.

  • Comment 46, posted at 17.02.10 09:15:00 by grant10 Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 45) : cool bananas!!

  • Comment 47, posted at 17.02.10 09:15:27 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 39) : if you look up “conservative & boring” in the thesaurus you will see Plum’s haggar face.

    Plum, has not built anything at the Sharks, it is Dick Muir’s team. Who in this team is a succesful Plumtree discovery or addition?

  • Comment 48, posted at 17.02.10 09:15:53 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : Might be the coastal life style that makes the Sharks just way to complacent…then again, Jo’burg doesnt have a coast, what’s there excuse?… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 17.02.10 09:20:22 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Hey I just want to share this, I havent smoked for about 66 hours now, and I feel good about it :cool:

  • Comment 50, posted at 17.02.10 09:21:05 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • @Jarson’s (X + V) (Comment 50) : Keep it up ;-)

  • Comment 51, posted at 17.02.10 09:21:50 by Charlie Reply

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  • Swannies was not even running with the sharks at practice yesterday , so looks like Ruan at 10 and Adi and Waylon at centre. Also don’t be surprised if Smit starts at 2 .

  • Comment 52, posted at 17.02.10 09:23:10 by King Deysel Reply
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  • @King Deysel (Comment 52) : i can live with that

  • Comment 53, posted at 17.02.10 09:26:41 by war1 Reply
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  • looking forward to seeing the sharks team…..go for broke…9 kockitt….10 ruan….12 adi…13 murray….attack them!

    Smit at 2…..i reckon Plum too scared to make that call….

  • Comment 54, posted at 17.02.10 09:37:15 by grant10 Reply

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  • Just an outsiders view on this one. The sharks always punt their academy as the breeding ground of great talent, but yet have never won the vodacom cup. Surely this talent should be first utilised in this competition first, and then move up the ranks? Also, in an article the other day, Rob talked about the lack of a KZN representative in the Varsity Cup. Sure there is the u19 & u21, but the VC (both of them) is surely another stepping stone?

  • Comment 55, posted at 17.02.10 09:38:51 by Greg Reply

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  • @Jarson’s (X + V) (Comment 50) : Good going boyeee, I stopped smoking 9 Feb ’09….believe me it’s wonderfull to be smoke free, after ending at 40amokes a day, much more money for stuff and feels great….keep at it.

  • Comment 56, posted at 17.02.10 09:44:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @King Deysel (Comment 52) : As long as we don’t have Dries at 12…wonder whats up with Swaan then? He played second half for the Sharks XV Saturday, still an injury bugging him?

    Rob, get on your phone to Swaan, tell him his fans wante to see him play… ;-)

  • Comment 57, posted at 17.02.10 09:47:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Think of the players between 22 and 25 playing for the Sharks now, a couple years back they were the youngsters coming through the ranks. Kanko, JP, Barritt, Steyn, Ruan, Keegan, Kocket, Waylon. We were nervous seeing those guys on the field at one stage, not really knowing what they were capable of, but look at them now, they’re key players and some even left because they were more key than we gave them credit for.

    Anyway, all I’m saying is give these guys a chance when it comes up, but don’t push them before you need to. It’s a long season, they will get their chances. We need to get better fly half cover, that’s the only thing I’m worried about. I’ve never seen Pat Lambie play and I wasn’t impressed by what I saw of Guy Cronje. I would have given him more time at Currie Cup level, because now we’re stuck with Dumond and he’s just not moving forward as a player.

  • Comment 58, posted at 17.02.10 09:49:22 by Letgo Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 56) : had my last on Valentine’s lol, never thought i’ll make it thus far, but now i’m really motivated :grin:

  • Comment 59, posted at 17.02.10 09:49:56 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • hehe! Found Conrad Stoltz at last!

  • Comment 60, posted at 17.02.10 09:50:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • Thrust in the structures. Well I can only hope. I’ve seen some great potential in some of the youngsters but sometimes feel I’m the only one. I really hope that the injuries to GM will force Plum’s hand to give the younger players ago. O well most of what I feel seems to have been said by others already. We can only hope to see these players on the field and start building for the future.

  • Comment 61, posted at 17.02.10 09:52:31 by Farlington Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) : Pardon my ignorance…who?

  • Comment 62, posted at 17.02.10 09:53:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • My take is that Alberts won’t start… So put Hargreaves and Sykes starting and put Alberts and Botes/Daniel on the bench. That way, if anything happened to H/S we have cover but Alberts is still used as a loosie if needed. We seem to forget that some players can and should play 80 minutes these days!

  • Comment 63, posted at 17.02.10 09:56:18 by deanoelsch Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 56) : good going both of you. I stopped on 5 November 2001 and haven’t touched one since.

  • Comment 64, posted at 17.02.10 09:56:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 61) : I think the Sharks should stop apointing NZ’ders as coaches…last guy to mess things up at the Sharks was Kevin Putts….seems Plum is trying his best to follow suit… :|

  • Comment 65, posted at 17.02.10 10:00:39 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 55) : seems Francois Pienaar and his cronies are the problem… keeping the Sharks out of the VC.

  • Comment 66, posted at 17.02.10 10:06:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 62) : one of the “missing youngsters” I’ve been trying to track. Played for the Sharks in 2006 and then just disappeared. Will try get the full story and write an article.

  • Comment 67, posted at 17.02.10 10:07:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • I know this wont happen….but my Sharks team would be
    15 Lambie [ ludick when fit ]
    14 JPP
    13 Murray [ looking very good! ]
    12 Adi
    11 Odwa
    10 Ruan
    9 Kockott
    8 alberts
    7 deysel
    6 Botes
    5 a Hargreaves
    4 Sykes
    3 D Carstens
    2 Bissy
    1 Beast
    16 smit
    17 kanko
    18 rhodes
    19 w herbst
    20 Mc cleod
    21 terblanche
    22 vundiluku

  • Comment 68, posted at 17.02.10 10:07:30 by grant10 Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : How so :?:

  • Comment 69, posted at 17.02.10 10:11:20 by Greg Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : Never liked Francis Pienaar anycase

  • Comment 70, posted at 17.02.10 10:14:19 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 69) : seems they keep changing the rules every time one of the KZN teams looks like qualifying. But apparently the current format is up for renewal next year and the Academy are hopeful they’ll be able to get a team in.

    One of the other problems, though, is that the Academy structure has made the club scene in Durban very strong. It’s not like other regions where the varsities are the only decent sides. A lot of the Sharks Academy boys would rather play for Rovers or Jaggies than for UND.

    Man, I reckon the Rovers team could win the Varsity Cup…

  • Comment 71, posted at 17.02.10 10:16:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • ok blokes – I’m out of here. Off to Norwich for the day to entertain a customer.

    Will check in on my phone as time allows.

  • Comment 72, posted at 17.02.10 10:16:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : Seems all of the Varsity’s are playing in the club rugby competition here in KZN…in the long run that should actualy be better for KZN rugby, but would be great to have a varsity cup side.

  • Comment 73, posted at 17.02.10 10:20:55 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • My Prediction, 22 for Friday.

    1.Beast
    2.Biz
    3.John
    4.Sykes
    5.Hargreaves
    6.Keegs
    7.Deysel
    8. Willem

    9. Rory
    10. Ruan
    11. jp
    12. I am hoping swannie.
    13. Adi
    14. odwa
    15. Stef

    16. Burden
    17. Jannie
    18. rhodes
    19. Botes
    20.kankowski
    21. Dumond
    22. Waylon

  • Comment 74, posted at 17.02.10 10:24:55 by JJR Reply
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  • I suggest to those that do not yet have a team to support in the varsity Cup should support Pukke. I go there and Mdaka,mamojele and cecil dumond, dumonds bro play for the side. Also one to watch is stefan watermeyer’s brother at inside. Also Danie Dames a former shark plays for the side, but is currently injured.

  • Comment 75, posted at 17.02.10 10:28:17 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 74) : I’d rather see Mvovo or Vulindlu instead of Odd-one.
    Also rather have Rhodes instead of Keegan.
    Rather have Waylon at 13.

    As for the rest I pretty much agree with you, we might have to switch Smit to 2 though but will have to see how the scrums goes.

  • Comment 76, posted at 17.02.10 10:29:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 75) : Hey hey, I’m supporting Pukke, their my team on Superbru and I try to watch all their games on Mondays ;-)

  • Comment 77, posted at 17.02.10 10:30:56 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 8) : They can let sykes scrum behind John.

  • Comment 78, posted at 17.02.10 10:34:10 by JJR Reply
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  • Ja, my team would look alot different, but i think that is how it will look on friday. The big change i would make, as you said, is to put john at 2. I know adi has been poor lately, but if we wnat to create some tries adi is really good. Odwa is also off form, but he does the basics quite well which is important, when ludik is ready i will start him in odwas place, he even has more pace.

  • Comment 79, posted at 17.02.10 10:38:06 by JJR Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 77) : Awesome, i think they will be in the final again this year, rudi joubert has brought together a really solid squad.

  • Comment 80, posted at 17.02.10 10:39:12 by JJR Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 68) : Stef has to start, he was way too solid for us last season, also deon will suffer at tighthead. Herbst might be a better option. Otherwise a really solid team.

  • Comment 81, posted at 17.02.10 10:42:53 by JJR Reply
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  • my sharks team for this weekend would be as follows

    15 Stefan
    14 Mvovo
    13 Adi
    12 Swannie
    11 JPP
    10 Ruan
    09 Cockott
    08 Kanko
    07 Alberts
    06 Deysel
    05 Muller/Hargreaves
    04 Sykes
    03 Jannie
    02 Smit
    01 Beast

    16 Bismark
    17 Carstens
    18 Hargreaves/Rhodes
    19 Daniel
    20 Murray
    21 Mcleod
    22 Lambie

  • Comment 82, posted at 17.02.10 10:52:02 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 80) : Yes, Rudi seems to be ding good stuff there at Pukke, hope they will take the cup from Maties…tired of the ‘brand name’ teams winning the cup.

  • Comment 83, posted at 17.02.10 11:00:47 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 83) : Go Ikeys!!

  • Comment 84, posted at 17.02.10 11:25:24 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • You got your wish guys John is starting at 2, Monty and Andries moves to the bench.

    The Sharks

    15. Stefan Terblanche
    14. Odwa Ndungane
    13. Waylon Murray
    12. Adrian Jacobs
    11. JP Pietersen
    10. Ruan Pienaar
    9. Rory Kockott
    8. Ryan Kankowski
    7. Jean Deysel
    6. Jacques Botes
    5. Alistair Hargreaves
    4. Steven Sykes
    3. Jannie du Plessis
    2. John Smit (Capt)
    1. Tendai Mtawarira

    Replacements
    16. Bismarck du Plessis
    17. Deon Carstens
    18. Willem Alberts
    19. Keegan Daniel
    20. Charl McLeod
    21. Monty Dumond
    22. Andries Strauss

  • Comment 85, posted at 17.02.10 11:37:20 by Letgo Reply
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  • i’ve been reading everybody comment and to some point i agree give our young players there time how must they form if they don’t get a chance look at the young twins don’t know there names but they played for sharks currie cup while the boks were on tour and i think its time for the young ones to get their chance look at f steyn and b russel they got their chance and they are some of the world class players no matter where they are now

  • Comment 86, posted at 17.02.10 17:29:25 by Charmaine Reply

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  • Sooo very quiet this time of night…why?

  • Comment 87, posted at 17.02.10 18:19:27 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 84) : Well luckily you didn’t say Maties… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 88, posted at 17.02.10 18:20:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I trust the structures, and have gone with teh Sharks to win this weekend. :lol: let’s hope the future structures are as good. :smile:

  • Comment 89, posted at 17.02.10 18:23:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 89) : i agree i still think the sharks will come out and be in the semi s oh and what do you think of my pic :smile:

  • Comment 90, posted at 17.02.10 19:11:10 by Charmaine Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 87) :
    a shhhhh it is really very quite tonight, how am i going to get my 1st * if its so quite what are all of you doing :???:

  • Comment 91, posted at 17.02.10 19:19:02 by Charmaine Reply

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  • where is “Guys,..” – did KSA do the editing :mrgreen:

  • Comment 92, posted at 17.02.10 19:33:53 by rekinek Reply
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  • Rob, one of the best pieces. Can somebody please sent it to Plum.
    We saw last year like playing the same players all over led to some kind of .. burnout for a better word.

    We will never know what we have in youngsters unless they are tried.Plus this is a long competition – one wants to rest starting XV at some point.

  • Comment 93, posted at 17.02.10 19:36:23 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 93) : resting starting XV – perhaps not all the players at the same time.

  • Comment 94, posted at 17.02.10 19:37:09 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 92) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    Shoulda been “Hallo Boere” :lol:

  • Comment 95, posted at 17.02.10 19:52:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 95) : is rob boere avers ?
    there are some nice ones out there supporting and playing for the sharks :mrgreen:

  • Comment 96, posted at 17.02.10 20:00:06 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 96) : definitely not :-) it’s bigots that I don’t like, but we risk heading into dodgy territory there

  • Comment 97, posted at 17.02.10 20:08:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 97) : let’s stick to the guys ;-) and girls, to ensure gender correctness :mrgreen:

  • Comment 98, posted at 17.02.10 20:16:44 by rekinek Reply
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