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Give the players a break


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 21 Feb 2010 at 16:34
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Reading some of the comments – and I dare say some of the articles here over the last few days – one would be forgiven for thinking that there isn’t a Sharks supporter among us.

We all love to give the Bulls fans stick, calling them dumb, uncultured, low class and the like, but the one thing I have yet to see a Bulls fan do – on any blog – is slate their own players or fail to stand up for them. Maybe we could take a leaf out of their book?

The Sharks are playing like utter, utter crap at the moment; there’s no point in denying that. That there is a fundamental problem within the squad is pretty clear to see, but does that suddenly mean that the very same players who won the Currie Cup not 18 months ago, suddenly aren’t good enough any more? Or is it not more a case of them being just as confused and bewildered about he whole situation as we are, only difference being, they are getting knocked around in the interests of our entertainment, while we sit on the couch and take cheap shots.

We all talked about how good the Sharks team looked, before Friday’s game and how, on paper at least, we should roll the Cheetahs easily. It seemed far too easy to blame the Chiefs defeat on individuals, like Bismarck, Monty and Andries and to heave a sigh of release that the right selections had now been made. Fact is – it didn’t make a bugger of difference! So what do we do now? Drop this lot too and go find some others? Where will we find them? Oh wait, that’s right – we’ll borrow them from the Bulls or import them from France. Anything to avoid having to own up to the fact that the coaching and administration are failing to do justice to the players that we already have.

On Saturday, I had the dubious pleasure of being held just a little accountable for some of the stuff that has been said here over the last few weeks. One of the players, whom I won’t name, took me to task for the way he is openly slated here. His point is a good one – the team played no better without him on Friday, so how can it be that he was the problem? He’s more right than he realises, I suspect. The current team environment at the Sharks seems poisonous and it’s a tall order to expect any individual to perform against that backdrop.

Another former Sharks player pointed something else out. Not even the great John Smit seems able to rally this bunch right now and cuts a forlorn figure, standing to one side while the team splinters into cliques and factions around him.

For those of us who care about the Sharks, let’s not kick them while they’re already down. The tour from hell is under way and the last thing our heroes need, in addition to all the other shit that is going on, is to see their so-called “supporters” writing derogatory nonsense about them here – and under a pseudonym to boot. Changes need to be made and we have to do what we can to ensure that those happen quickly, but let’s not alienate the core of our team in the process, lest we have nothing left to rebuild with in the future.

Something to think about, perhaps? Being a true supporter of the black and white means that we need to be there, right behind these guys, through the bad times as well as the good ones.



123 Comments

  • Bravo! 100 % Rob! Its time to man up as fans as well!

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.02.10 16:38:51 by Miguel Reply
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  • I flippen hate to say it but SPOT ON with this paragraph.

    We all love to give the Bulls fans stick, calling them dumb, uncultured, low class and the like, but the one thing I have yet to see a Bulls fan do – on any blog – is slate their own players or fail to stand up for them. Maybe we could take a leaf out of their book?

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.02.10 16:47:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Well said Rob. The players need support now more than ever. Isnt that what ‘supporter’ means?? To back the team thru the good AND the bad.

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.02.10 17:00:43 by wpw Reply
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  • Blaming individual players is misplaced. This is clearly a failure by coaching and management.

    That is where a good old fashioned boo at the end of the game directed at the whole team (coaches included) can help.

    The Bulls were boo-ed at Loftus less than 2 years ago. It was also the last time they lost a game there.

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.02.10 17:01:19 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Thanks Rob! We all need a little perspective right now, I can only hope things get better but the general feeling on the blogs cannot be helping at all, we still support you guys, regardless. Go Sharks!!

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.02.10 17:02:26 by war1 Reply
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  • I’m surprised that a player even has time to read this blog.

    You should ask Morne to write a good explanation of the new interpretations. Then the Sharks may show a better grasp of it in their next game. ;-)
    The coaches have been too busy with recruitment to pay attention to something as basic as laws.

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.02.10 17:08:23 by fyndraai Reply
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  • well said Rob that is what i was saying, when KSA SHARK said in a joke i hope, shit with this he is going to become a bull surporter and i commented on this i’ve been a shark surporter over well now i don’t want to get my age but many moons ago when they were still the bannana boys that years ago and like i said its like been married to the team for better or worse that the way i c it, i can’t seem to get myself to change to another team sharks is in my blood until the day i lay my head down to rest or what do the fans say well some guys do change but then i thing they aren’t really sharks surporters are they if ythey give up so quickly but any how sharks i’m really behing you just make me proud that all your fan really want out the team :grin:

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.02.10 17:28:39 by Charmaine Reply

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  • @Charmaine (Comment 7) : :razz:

    two things.

    1. You obviously missed my next comment. Where I said I was doing that so that I could blame the ref and not be labled a sore loser. :lol:

    2. Stick around and you will soon discover why I will NEVER support the Bulls, not even for patriotic reasons. :oops: :razz:

  • Comment 8, posted at 21.02.10 17:45:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Charmaine (Comment 7) :

    I hate to use a word from my past that a fat car I used to know came up with, but I will tell you this. I cannot stand people who change their allegiance depending on who is winning. hey change once maybe twice but some people change every few years just because the wind has changed direction. Those people are “groupies” not fans or supporters.

  • Comment 9, posted at 21.02.10 17:48:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Says the guys who supports England rugby team. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 21.02.10 18:02:44 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 10) :

    Yeah but I have not chpped and changed. I have supported them since about 1982.

    Cool team Cool Jersey. I have 4 of em. :razz:

  • Comment 11, posted at 21.02.10 18:13:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Interesting article Rob it has got a positive response from fellow fans. However please don`t swing too far in the other direction. The one thing i admire about your articles and blog is your frankness and standards you expect from your side.

    I will now read with interest over the next 5 weeks…it will be important for you and fellow fans to get your thoughts and expectations clear on how many points you would consider up to standard.

    My knowledge is solely NZ rugby….Here are my predictions vs Sharks expectations.

    Game 1 v Crusaders My Call 0 points Sharks expectations 0 Points

    Game 2 v Tahs My Call 1 point Sharks expectations 4 Points

    Game 3 v Brumbies My Call 0 points Sharks expectations 1 Point

    Game 4 v Highlanders My Call 1 point Sharks expectations 4 Points

    Game 5 v Canes My Call 0 points Sharks expectations 0 Points

    So i think the Sharks will consider a successful tour 2 Wins and a bonus from anywhere for a Grand Total of 9 Points.

    My call they don`t win a game but may get close once (which when they do will have to nail it) and return 2 Points on Tour

    How far am i off Sharks type thinking….how many points do you think will deem a successful `5 Match tour`…………………..9 Points more or less ?

    Keep the faith

  • Comment 12, posted at 21.02.10 18:18:44 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 9) : well KSA SHARK i remember that word groupies i was trying to think of something to call them know i have its heart breaking to c fans that really do that i now a guy high up it telkom and every province he moves to he surports that team where i was born in durbs spent 21 years of my life there and now i stay in NW but to join the bulls team they have to shot me first 1 bull in my family is more than enough there heads are so blowed up with what ever you want to call it they think they are un touchable that it make you want to p7($#k
    and to u tell me something why does the bull surporters hate the sharks so much you just walk past them and they look and say oh gee another dam sharkie but you know what i beleive in our boys they make you want to strangle them when they loose but on the other hand its not us that are playing on the field :lol:

  • Comment 13, posted at 21.02.10 18:19:31 by Charmaine Reply

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  • you know we are not the first team to loose 2 in a row i think i’m not sure on the team but i think its the stormers that 3 in a row if not sorry guys but we will peak when the time is right go boys and have a great tour and enjoy the game because once your old there is no way back to the age you are in now in just down hill in age so just have fun and the fans will come rolling never mind what everybody else is saying just play the game and have fun fun fun :smile: :lol: :grin: ;-)

  • Comment 14, posted at 21.02.10 18:26:06 by Charmaine Reply

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  • Went for the Sharks(as usual.on Superbru(win or lose), after 16 years with a BB ‘in-law’ family,..just convinced the wife that we could only get better..then almost kill myself on the way home, to make the game(TV), settle down, and then get served up that shit?…wtf?

  • Comment 15, posted at 21.02.10 18:53:10 by Dameon Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 12) :

    Mine in Bold with reasoning.

    Game 1 v Crusaders My Call 0 points Sharks expectations 0 Points
    1 point probable with 4 also being a possibilty. The Sharks have always toured well and the Crusaders were shown up dearly this last weekeend

    Game 2 v Tahs My Call 1 point Sharks expectations 4 Points
    4 points possible but probably 1

    Game 3 v Brumbies My Call 0 points Sharks expectations 1 Point
    1 point. Brumbies are good but not that good

    Game 4 v Highlanders My Call 1 point Sharks expectations 4 Points
    4 points maybe 5 if Goode fires well, Highlanders are going to be battling the Force and Lions for the Wooden Spoon

    Game 5 v Canes My Call 0 points Sharks expectations 0 Points
    4 Points. Hurricanes will be playing their 1st match back in NZ after a “long difficult 3 week” tour of SA.

    11 to 13 points IMO

  • Comment 16, posted at 21.02.10 18:57:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • dameon what shit the game of the sharks you chose them on sb i did also not the end of the world we will still climb out of the shit and sit up in front :twisted:
    or what do you sharkie fans say go sharkkkkks :grin: :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 17, posted at 21.02.10 19:00:25 by Charmaine Reply

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  • I agree with you Rob, let us not kick our boys while they are down, the Bulls supporters rave about their players even when they lose. Surely we can do the same? We can’t just give up on them because of 2 losses!!!! Ok, they are not on top form, John Smit did not even come out for an interview, alot of the players gave authographs after the game, but Smit and Terblanche and Beast did not even show face. They should have been there to see how the supporters still support them. I am a die hard Sharks supporter and I will back them all the way!!!!

  • Comment 18, posted at 21.02.10 19:18:52 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • yes they should have nobody gonna know why, :arrow: Rob can you find out because if i went to the game and i could nt of get asigned cap or anything i don’t think i would of liked it very much something must of happened :?: :grin:

  • Comment 19, posted at 21.02.10 19:29:40 by Charmaine Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 12) : I think we’d consider 9-10 points a stunning success… less than 6 would probably be considered a disaster. Then again, 2 points from a possible 10 at home is already impossible to recover from

  • Comment 20, posted at 21.02.10 19:31:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • Rob, i couldnt agree with u more!
    the sharks are in a really hard place right now, and the pain we feel as supporters makes us insensitive to that!
    Jus ask my girlfrind, she’l tell u how this really affects my whole week!
    It really seems that the hunger isnt there… I wonder if thats not because the sharks are allways there and there abouts… And always come short of a trophy. perhaps its made them immune to their own hunger!

    I would really love to see plum giving the younger guys a decent chance! Dick always placed his faith in people regardless and i think it inspired the team to realise and believe in their true potential!

    sorry if im blabbing, i just really need a shoulder to cry on!!!

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.02.10 19:37:16 by kevmaestro Reply

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  • kevmaestro :sad: :cry: :cool: :arrow: :???: :grin: :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.02.10 19:40:31 by Charmaine Reply

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  • GO SHARKS !!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 21.02.10 19:48:30 by Charlie Reply

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  • yes go sharks just go shhharrkkkkssssssssssssssssss :lol:

  • Comment 24, posted at 21.02.10 19:52:46 by Charmaine Reply

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  • @robdylan: good on ….. for sorting you out :grin:

  • Comment 25, posted at 21.02.10 20:20:47 by bergshark Reply

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  • :cry: :cool: ;-)

  • Comment 26, posted at 21.02.10 20:23:45 by Charmaine Reply

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  • @robdylan: is the team spirit really THAT bad in the group(s) .. ? can`t the season ticket holders & members of the sharks supporters groups form a committee that meet once a month with sharks management ? and how many players want to quit the team once their contracts expire ?

  • Comment 27, posted at 21.02.10 20:28:23 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan: there were only 22 000 at th stadium vs cheetahs :shock: :sad: :!: :!: :!: :!: :?:

  • Comment 28, posted at 21.02.10 20:31:13 by bergshark Reply

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  • :shock: :sad: :!: :!: :cry: :smile: :mrgreen:
    good night every one and the sharks will turn around just keep your faith on the team go sharks :smile:

  • Comment 29, posted at 21.02.10 20:36:24 by Charmaine Reply

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  • @robdylan: willem alberts seems like a team player ..and so does kockott and bissie and jannie ..and jp seems to wanna play as well .adi also..and many others .. how good is the coaching and how thorough the tactical prep before games and comps ? bissie needs to channel his aggro where it is effective on the scoreboard .

  • Comment 30, posted at 21.02.10 20:37:21 by bergshark Reply

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  • Of course we will support the Sharks Rob. I don’t know any Shark supporter who does not even if we are losing. You support your team lose or win. Then we can be disappointed with some of the players. Think it happens to supporters of all teams.

    For now not sure how much points we will pick up on our tour. We play some really good teams over there. Saders no doubt now will bring back McCaw now that they lost to Reds. McCaw was supposed to come back the following week I read, but after their loss I expect him back this week. They will be very tough. This is one tough tour for the Sharks. If they pick up any wins over there I will be proud of our team.

    Go Sharks.

  • Comment 31, posted at 21.02.10 20:38:40 by Puma Reply

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  • @Charmaine (Comment 29) : Good night Charmaine.

  • Comment 32, posted at 21.02.10 20:41:04 by Puma Reply

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  • @dawnwallenkamp (Comment 18) : reckon john was hugely disappointed :cry: :cry: :cry: . or maybe the team had to spent some time together as a unit after that defeat ?maybe they needed a teamtalk that reminded them the season is not over ,yet,and there is still pride to be played for .and if they can pull together,and start putting aside ego`s , and start playing with THEIR HERTS AND THEIR MINDS ,then who knows what can happen?

  • Comment 33, posted at 21.02.10 20:48:06 by bergshark Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 16) :

    KSA….I think you make some valid points….but 11 to 13 points ?

    I will never be a SHARKS EXPERT however from a Highlander looking at only there performances on the park. It seems clear to me that if you can match the Sharks up front (and admittedly that a big if with their class) you`ve won.

    JP Pieteren aside i just feel the Sharks have no fire power in the backs. On tour i feel the Sharks may only be able to live with the Tahs and the Highlanders in the backs. The Canes and Brumbies,just have too much firepower in the backs with the Crusaders just generally too much Synergy from 1 to 15 (i`m confident they wont get penalised off the park in Durban like heat again on Sat.)

    PS Big call lumping the Highlanders in with the Lions for the wooden spoon at this stage.

    Lions, Force, Highlanders, Blues, Tahs, SHARKS havent shown much !

    Chin up especially with Saturday looming it is going to be interesting how/if Goode fronts up….I think he may find himself out of his depth. Does no one know he has just kicked it away for the last 5 seasons.

    Love the banter

  • Comment 34, posted at 21.02.10 20:59:31 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 34) : so good to have a Kiwi here to balance out the overwhelming Saffa view :)

  • Comment 35, posted at 21.02.10 21:12:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • So True Rob. I love the Sharks to much to kick them when they are down. All i would want to say to THE SHARKS is we are behind u and everyone in the squad is true class. We know u will come right and dominate like we know u can. My blood will always be black and white, Sharks forever! I BELIEVE IN THIS TEAM.

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.02.10 21:36:29 by JJR Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) :

    Pleasure…..nice to talk to people with a passion for their side !

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.02.10 21:38:10 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 37) : sometimes it spills over and becomes a little misdirected, but it’s always well-intentioned :)

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.02.10 21:44:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • Sport has its ups and downs. The Sharks are going through a bad patch but there are too many good men there and too much talent for there not to be some level of resurgence. Those boys are hurting, and mudslinging doesnt help. I enjoyed your article Rob, thanks for fronting.

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.02.10 21:47:52 by TG Reply

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  • @TG (Comment 39) : good to see you, TG! And my facebook comment wasn’t meant to sound as accusatory as it did :) Just tough to see so many good blokes who used to contribute down in Durbs now moving closer to the Lions camp! Stone-age Plum has a lot to answer for

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.02.10 21:59:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • Plum is a good man Rob. Things will start moving in the right direction in the near future. I am always going to be a sharks supporter, I just am now a fan of the lions and cheetahs as the way they play makes me want to watch them.

    I got goosebumps in the stadium watching Earl Rose run back to quickly take the kick at 70 – 25 down with 25 mins left. The Chiefs looked up after 45 seconds as they didnt see the kick and they saw 15 lions men ready to go and settled in their positions and staring them down from across the field. Brilliant stuff.

    The Lions has a great Sharks feel to them, Dickie, Ackers, Henning and Tails (conditioning coach: used to be at IRANZ) and IRANZ works with Investec rugga academy which is full of Sharks old boys and management – so supporting them is not too much of a stretch.

    So Rob if you support the Lions against everyone but the Sharks, it might make you a bit happier in the short term …

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.02.10 22:10:09 by TG Reply

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  • @TG (Comment 41) : I already do, bud… have for years :)

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.02.10 23:08:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • morning everybody i c some of you’s are up very early the morning well me to but not so early well i just hope we have a good day of talking :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 22.02.10 07:05:26 by Charmaine Reply

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  • Rob, your article is spot on, with one little error.

    The Bulls fans are the worst lot when their team isn`t performing.

    I lived in Pta for 20 years so I have experienced the Bulls fan mentality during their good times and, not too long along, when they were the laughing stock in the S12 and S14.

    I can tell you that, in our capital city, when the Bulls are on a losing streak you’ll have to drive through a helluva lot of car parks to find a car with a Bulls bumpersticker on it and could spend hours searching the streets, malls and supermarkets without finding a supporter wearing his Bulls shirt.

    They simply go into hiding.

    Compare that to Sharks supporters, who have nailed their colours to the mast and wear their Sharks gear with pride, even when we have a team performing way below par. The Sunday morning after our S14 final loss against the Bulls we went shopping in a PnP in Faerie Glen and I counted more people with Sharks shirts than the other way round.

    We don’t disappear back into the woodwork, but we sure as hell let our players know when they’re crap. Which is right now. And don’t forget that they are not playing “for our entertainment”, but for a lot of money.

  • Comment 44, posted at 22.02.10 07:47:48 by rhineshark Reply
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  • I also wanted to add this. I have no problem saying anything here under my real name, which is Gerhard van Wyk. The Sharks are crap. There is no plan, no leadership, no vision, no guts, and with the squad we have available, no bloody excuse.

  • Comment 45, posted at 22.02.10 07:57:15 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Holy smokes, was sniffing around Sportmans Warehouse the other day, spotted TGs book and wondered what happened to this dude, and just like that **ZANG** he appears.

  • Comment 46, posted at 22.02.10 08:14:40 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 44) : i agree with you there we don’t go into hiding if we loose we still what we want and have to wear our sharks gear with pride the only time you seea bull surporter with his gear on is when the win it happens here in NW also. :grin:

  • Comment 47, posted at 22.02.10 08:14:53 by Charmaine Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : rob, in my opinion, i dont think we are far of from winning a few. 3 things.

    1. We lack attacking flair, something the sharks was famous for. our attacking ball comes out too slow. Could be Rory or cleaning too slow. and after phase 2 it seems like we dont know how to attack. could the humidity be a factor for not playing flashy attacking rugby. (the 10 minutes after halftime looked great!)

    2. Aimless kicking – Viljoen`s try. nuff said.

    3. I dont think our defence was too shabby, except for Viljoens try… if we can keep down the penalties and have a plan on attack, i think we could still get a few points overseas. On the weekend Kanko was the only player looking threatening on attack. oh ja, and another thing. wasnt it obvious how we lacked speed in the back 3 over the weekend. a few overlaps and good counter attacking oppertunities, but we just couldnt give it to a speedster to finnish it off. Sharks to get 11 points overseas.

  • Comment 48, posted at 22.02.10 09:11:07 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 48) : how who could have done with habana these last 2 games .. how much did he cost the stormers? the more i think about it ,the more it becomes clear – we need his pace,work ethic ,and ability to turn a half chance into a try . he single-handedly would have given our backline serious bite

  • Comment 49, posted at 22.02.10 09:25:14 by bergshark Reply

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  • Sharks forever! Just a little disapointed at the moment but i still back the boys.

  • Comment 50, posted at 22.02.10 09:38:16 by billy Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 49) : i agree 100%! even the Mjekevu guy for the lions. sure his still young and have alot to learn, and haven`t been tested on defence yet, but his got pace, steps and is quite a big(tall) lad. Another young talent spotted by Dick Muir. JP`s a good wing, but he usually starts off slow in the season. i cant see one of our wings running around someone on attack.

    but must agree, habana makes a big difference to the stormers. and dont forget Fourie for that matter.

  • Comment 51, posted at 22.02.10 09:38:22 by VanWilder Reply

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  • anyone know why we didnt put a bid in for Habana ,or did we?

  • Comment 52, posted at 22.02.10 09:50:03 by RUGGA BUGGA Reply

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  • @RUGGA BUGGA (Comment 52) : Habana’s old man played Straueli like a fiddle back in 2006. Dangled the huge carrot of Habana, Bakkies and Wynand, but it was just a ruse to get the Bulls to up their offers.

    There’s enough bad blood that we’ll never see any of those three in Sharks colours.

  • Comment 53, posted at 22.02.10 09:54:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • remember that one well in fact knew BH old man well in his old checkers/shoprite days (very crafty/cunning man)

  • Comment 54, posted at 22.02.10 10:00:21 by RUGGA BUGGA Reply

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  • @billy (Comment 50) : so will the rest of us well i hope the way i c it sharkie boys have a lot of surpporters that just stick to them like glue

  • Comment 55, posted at 22.02.10 10:13:59 by Charmaine Reply

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  • Agree with you whole hearted-ly Rob, I made a point of wearing my Sharks jersey on Saturday….Something DEFINITELY up in the Sharks camp for John to not rally the chaps…we have faced worse reffing decisions before and he has kept his cool.

  • Comment 56, posted at 22.02.10 10:17:51 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 28) : Shocking :shock: considering the Sharks fans were once known as the top supporters and had the most supporters AT the game!!!! Come on guys, we need to show the Sharks that we support them, try your very best to watch at the stadium next time there is a home game – I am going to be entering every competition available to make sure that I am there :mrgreen:

  • Comment 57, posted at 22.02.10 10:20:01 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • @dawnwallenkamp (Comment 57) : nice pic :)

  • Comment 58, posted at 22.02.10 10:23:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @dawnwallenkamp (Comment 57) : I am jealous of that pic….. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 59, posted at 22.02.10 10:27:01 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 33) : I did ask where he was and apparently he was “in a meeting”, and the newspapers ripped him apart for not showing face after the game.

  • Comment 60, posted at 22.02.10 10:30:10 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 59) : :mrgreen: :lol: Ryan Kankowski, what more can I say – - – SIGH!!!!

  • Comment 61, posted at 22.02.10 10:30:47 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • :smile: ;-)

  • Comment 62, posted at 22.02.10 10:30:47 by Charmaine Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 58) : :grin: Thanks Rob for getting it onto my profile – it sure was the highlight of the night, the players were more than willing to pose with me, I felt so special. Got autographs and pics with most of them, made up for the loss.

  • Comment 63, posted at 22.02.10 10:32:31 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • @dawnwallenkamp (Comment 61) : No need to say anything else…..sigh!!!!

  • Comment 64, posted at 22.02.10 10:33:19 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @dawnwallenkamp (Comment 63) : question – were Jannie and Bis hanging around with Hoff after the game?

  • Comment 65, posted at 22.02.10 10:37:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • Rob,
    we still support them :razz: and even in all this criticiosm that was here for the last couple of days it is quite obvious that none of us is running to buy another jersey.

    and please tell this no named player :mrgreen: or I guess he can read it himself that he must remember how much backing he got here. Plus the fact that team whether with or without him performs badly is hardly a good thing. He should not be content when the team is loosing either way – team spirit?

  • Comment 66, posted at 22.02.10 10:47:36 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 66) : “Plus the fact that team whether with or without him performs badly is hardly a good thing. He should not be content when the team is loosing either way – team spirit?” Very good point.

  • Comment 67, posted at 22.02.10 11:21:45 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • Hi Guys, I didn’t have time to read all the comments above so forgive me if I repeat anything.

    I agree that blaming individual players is not the way to go and is unfair towards them and I hope I haven’t been too guilty in that respect because we all get emotional. Luckily I don’t blog during the game or even over weekends so I have some time to reflect before I start commenting.

    I think we all agree that something is wrong at the Sharks. I watched most of the games on the weekend and found most of the games highly entertaining and if truth be told the 2 Sharks games to date has probably been the most boring of the S14 played so far.
    Blaming individuals will not solve the problem although individuals must also take some responsibility for what is happening in the team because as much as it’s a team sport one individual can have a real effect on the players around them. Rory is a classical example. Last week we all praised him for being one of the better players and this week he kicked 5 from 10 and that probably cost us the game. Last week we could/should have won against the Chiefs and this weekend we could/should have won against the Cheetah’s. Would we have been this negative had we won both games….probably not but I think most of us would still have been very concerned because it’s very obvious that the Sharks aren’t happy campers at the moment.

    I would be quite happy if the Sharks end dead last in the Super 14 as long as we can see things changing and that whatever is wrong is being rectified, but if we just carry on the same way and nothing changes I’ll become very dispondant.

    We saw some fantastic running rugby this weekend and other teams seems to have adapted very well. I still believe we have a great squad and they have potentional to be tournament winners so that leaves the problem with managment and the coaches. Let’s support them, but also recognise their shortcomings in a decent fashion.

    It’s such a long post maybe I should have posted my first article :roll: ;-)

  • Comment 68, posted at 22.02.10 11:30:09 by Pokkel Reply
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  • The players are all proffessionals and most are even Springboks, so imo they have to stand up and face the music. Its not 1 spesific players fault if they lose, its all of them.

  • Comment 69, posted at 22.02.10 11:31:19 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • ;-)

  • Comment 70, posted at 22.02.10 11:33:59 by Charmaine Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 68) : yes, cos 100 points is better than 5 :)

  • Comment 71, posted at 22.02.10 11:38:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Jarson’s (X + V) (Comment 69) : i am finally reading John’s book (haven’t finished yet) but from what I read so far I liked his attitude towards fans and supporters. He writes about abuse he gets when springboks loose but does not criticise. He says that becoming a private property is a little price to pay for the priviliege of playing for the national team.

    I see no reason why this attitude should not be the same at provincial level. Is criticism from fans – who only criticise because they care and usually fanatically care – such a huge price to pay for a privilege of paying for your province.

  • Comment 72, posted at 22.02.10 11:39:05 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : Jannie and Bis were no where to be seen, Kankowski, Deysel, Kockott, Murray, Steenkamp, Swanepoel, Dumond, Daniels, Muller and a few others were there signing autographs and posing for pictures, but the others were not to be seen.

  • Comment 73, posted at 22.02.10 12:01:07 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • @dawnwallenkamp (Comment 73) : wonder why would like to know what their fans say about that me for once would really be pissed off sorry for that bad word fans come along way to c their heros and nt to pitch thats nt very good at all :lol:

  • Comment 74, posted at 22.02.10 12:05:20 by Charmaine Reply

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  • @dawnwallenkamp (Comment 73) : on tv it looked like John didn’t come out for interview. Is it truth?

  • Comment 75, posted at 22.02.10 12:08:11 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 72) : I reckon it’s more like a crisis meeting that he had to attend :) Tour coming up… needed to convince all the players to actually go with ;)

  • Comment 76, posted at 22.02.10 12:15:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 75) : John did not come out for the interview and that is really sad, after he is the captain, it was his 100th and he should have at least shown face.

  • Comment 77, posted at 22.02.10 12:15:40 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • @Charmaine (Comment 74) : It was disappointing, especially for the youngs kids who hung around for ages waiting for John…. :evil: I even had my programme opened onto the page with his picture and hoped for a signature but no such luck :sad:

  • Comment 78, posted at 22.02.10 12:17:53 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 76) : I agree Rob, would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at that so-called meeting that kept him from making an appearance during the interviews

  • Comment 79, posted at 22.02.10 12:19:07 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • Bravo to Rob for this article, it’s way overdue. The main reason I stopped coming here, and not long after I joined either, was because of the vitriol being spewed by some ‘fans’. There is having a go at the team when they fail and the then there is the low level shit that some were relishing.

    Hopefully that is in the past and those sour grapes either bugger off or change their tune and this site can become a Sharks supporters site again.

  • Comment 80, posted at 22.02.10 12:31:52 by Mephisto_Shark Reply

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  • @Mephisto_Shark (Comment 80) : well said i must say and the words to seem to me we are not doing right to rub our team in the mud well try and do some good out of this comment thanks for the wake up call will try and do my best and when we are down then how do we blow of some steam etc ;-) :lol:

  • Comment 81, posted at 22.02.10 13:06:03 by Charmaine Reply

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  • I support the Sharks through thick and thin, I hope that was obvious.
    I like blaming the ref for our losses. ;-) :twisted:

  • Comment 82, posted at 22.02.10 13:09:57 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Nice article Rob.
    You allude to actually knowing that something is wrong in the camp but dont commit yourself to telling us what it is.
    If there really is something going on why not be brave enough to post it and in that way avoid us second guessing and posting things as fact which may be slanderous to individuals when in fact they dont deserve it.

  • Comment 83, posted at 22.02.10 13:17:26 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Mephisto_Shark (Comment 80) : and yet when we look through our black and white glasses we are accused all sorts of things. it is good to have different opinions vented.

  • Comment 84, posted at 22.02.10 13:18:36 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 82) : yeah, you have been pretty consistent throughout. Have you mailed war1 your message yet?

  • Comment 85, posted at 22.02.10 13:22:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 83) : Salmy, problem is, I don’t know for a fact exactly what the problem is. There seem to be a number of issues, all of which I’ve pointed out at some stage, that are now coming together to contribute to the frankly disastrous showing.

  • Comment 86, posted at 22.02.10 13:26:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 84) : Nothing wrong with different opinions, it’s definitely needed. What Rob was alluding to = not needed.

  • Comment 87, posted at 22.02.10 13:27:19 by Mephisto_Shark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 85) : :?:

  • Comment 88, posted at 22.02.10 13:28:01 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 86) :
    There have been many suggestions – are we talking players or admin or a mixture of both.

  • Comment 89, posted at 22.02.10 13:30:21 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 89) : I’ll put up an article tomorrow summarising all that I’ve heard. Best to get it all out into the open, I agree.

  • Comment 90, posted at 22.02.10 13:41:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 90) : Good thing, seeing as I prompted it, can I get the points.

  • Comment 91, posted at 22.02.10 13:46:00 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 90) : I’ll keep my eyes peeled for that one.

  • Comment 92, posted at 22.02.10 13:47:54 by Mephisto_Shark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 90) : can`t you contact megan @ sharks and ask her if she wants to forward you to straueli or van zyl or plumtree? find out what is wrong(not that they would answer you :lol: ).

  • Comment 93, posted at 22.02.10 13:50:45 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 91) : tch… I’ve turned all of you into points-whores, haven’t I? :)

  • Comment 94, posted at 22.02.10 13:51:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) :
    At last, deep down Ive always wanted to be called a whore. :lol:

  • Comment 95, posted at 22.02.10 13:54:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) : straueli should have put the team`s needs first :sad: and approached habana :cry: .but then again: how much money in the kitty?

  • Comment 96, posted at 22.02.10 13:55:00 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 93) : if I thought there was a chance of that happening, I’d have done it already :)

    I’ve got Rudi’s office number anyway. He never answers his phone.

  • Comment 97, posted at 22.02.10 13:58:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 95) : I know your type :)

    How far are you from 5ster?

  • Comment 98, posted at 22.02.10 13:59:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 51) : mjekevu looks like a gem!

  • Comment 99, posted at 22.02.10 13:59:39 by bergshark Reply

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  • just remembered something else – the one dude who’s maybe got the rawest deal of all here. Charl McLeod.

  • Comment 100, posted at 22.02.10 14:12:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 100) : agreed. :sad: really wanted to see him play.

  • Comment 101, posted at 22.02.10 14:17:19 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 101) : me too. Great guy

  • Comment 102, posted at 22.02.10 14:40:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 100) :
    Big time, we need another kicker in the team to allow him to play, but then again if Ruan returns to scrummie….Vodacom Cup.
    Also a pity that Herrnandez got injured, he and Mcleod gelled nicely.

  • Comment 103, posted at 22.02.10 15:38:57 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 85) :
    Recap what message I need to mail war1.

  • Comment 104, posted at 22.02.10 15:40:35 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • i’m sorry rob, but i cannot do that. look i have held my tongue (except for during the game) as far as possible. my reasoning is these players have been showing these flaws now for over a year in some cases, and yet nothing is being done to sort it out. if i had seen some attempt to improve on previous performances then i would cut some slack. i will continue to keep my comments to a minimum, but don’t expect praise. i might as well go and hug and kiss julius malema at the same time. these guys get paid they have a job to do. they ripped fans off with season ticket prices this year, so fans expected something for their money and they aren’t getting it. do you think the players would pay to watch the performance they put in on friday? lets look at individual performances, is odwa suddenly going to get quicker? is stefan miraculously going to stop kicking away possession? is jp going to figure out where he has to position himself on a field? is jannie going to start listening to the referees? Rory…?

    ok maybe one positive idea i could throw out there is why not move ryan over to first centre? he has made more line breaks than any of our backline players. but that is about the sum total of positivity i can summon up after a year of empty promises by the sharks.

  • Comment 105, posted at 22.02.10 15:44:00 by try time Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 104) : have you read this: http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2010/02/22/the-sharks-need-your-support/ ?

  • Comment 106, posted at 22.02.10 15:45:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 104) : message of support of course :roll:

  • Comment 107, posted at 22.02.10 15:49:19 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 103) : ruan can do kicking so him and charl should be fine as 9-10

  • Comment 108, posted at 22.02.10 15:50:06 by rekinek Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 105) : every one of the points you have made could be blamed squarely on the shoulders of the administrators and coaches. Do any of the players pick themselves? All I want is to cut out the personal attacks on the players.

  • Comment 109, posted at 22.02.10 15:50:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 105) : perhaps not so strongly but I do share your sentiment.
    the key here is that the players are professionals who are being paid for it – and indirectly by the supporters really. so one would think that allow the supporters to voice some criticism. there was a debate along those lines some time ago and people got a bit emotional.

    it’s a thin line.

  • Comment 110, posted at 22.02.10 15:55:59 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 109) : i agree, no personal attacks that is unfair. but criticism of a players weaknesses is allowed. and i mean weaknesses in their rugby skill, not affairs off the field etc. i actually couldn’t give a hoot if they were all botty bandits, as long as they play well. if you put on a sharks jersey i expect you to give your all. then you will get my support. but noone can tell me 90% of the players have given their all, because i have seen them play better.

  • Comment 111, posted at 22.02.10 15:56:35 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 109) : shouldn’t we then have the same discussion about coaches and admin. Don’t they also deserve support. I mean nowadays a rugby team is an aggreggate of all, not just 15 guys on the field.

  • Comment 112, posted at 22.02.10 16:02:08 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 108) :
    Ruan can kick, and he cant, Im far more comfortable with someone other than Ruan kicking.

  • Comment 113, posted at 22.02.10 16:13:11 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 113) : perhaps if he kicks regularly you would become more comfortable.

  • Comment 114, posted at 22.02.10 16:17:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • Im concered by the fact that our forwards run faster than our backs. No personal attacks just concern.

  • Comment 115, posted at 22.02.10 16:28:46 by billy Reply

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  • @billy (Comment 115) : I think that forwards should concentrate on hard grunt instead of running around if you ask me. If they get quick ball then the backs will show the speed (hopefully).

  • Comment 116, posted at 22.02.10 16:37:40 by rekinek Reply
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  • On that note, is Kanko the only Shark that can break the line.

  • Comment 117, posted at 22.02.10 16:41:19 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 117) : can or does?

  • Comment 118, posted at 22.02.10 16:47:02 by war1 Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 117) :
    Ok I posted that before reading TT piece where he says the same.

  • Comment 119, posted at 22.02.10 16:47:08 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 112) : don’t blow my mind like that :)

  • Comment 120, posted at 22.02.10 16:47:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 118) :
    Does.
    My messsage will be with you tomorrow.

  • Comment 121, posted at 22.02.10 16:48:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @billy: (comment115) :-D

  • Comment 122, posted at 22.02.10 17:19:38 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 120) : he he :lol:

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