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Where is Reece-Edwards?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 22 Feb 2010 at 15:30
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If rumours emanating from Durban are to be believed, there was a fair bit of last-minute juggling of the Sharks tour group that took place on Thursday. The players, it would seem, weren’t the only ones affected.

Don’t be too surprised if the one face that you fail to see gazing dolefully at your TV screen while the Sharks are playing, belongs to new backline “consultant”, Hugh Reece-Edwards. Our information is that he did not join the tour party and was only informed of this situation very late in the day – this after another of the assistants, Grant Bashford, was initially stood down and then later reinstated. Reece wasn’t the only one to be informed of his exclusion a mere two days before departure. A number of players, including Alistair Hargreaves and Charl McLeod were in the same boat. Allegedly.

Now things all changes again – quite drastically – on Friday night, immediately after the loss to the Cheetahs. If yet more rumours are to be believed, it would appear that a certain John Plumtree found himself on the carpet explaining why he should be allowed to go on the tour, rather than being fired on the spot. Mass panic in the administrative ranks would appear to be the order of the day and nobody’s back is currently safe.

All of this nonsense, if it is true, merely serves to reinforce my previous point. The Sharks players stand very little chance of being successful while the coaches and administrators that are supposed to be guiding them seem more interested in self-serving political agendas. The former need all of our support now as they do their utmost to serve the team. The latter deserve nothing but our scorn.



65 Comments

  • I normally covert the life of a shrks player, at the moment i really dont.

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.02.10 15:41:21 by billy Reply
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  • I will say it again to anyone who is willing to listen.

    Your problems is not because of individuals, but because of the structures forced onto them or the structures they operate in.

    Plum is not a bad coach, as Ludeke was not a bad coach at the Lions and many other coaches (and players) who received the bulk of the wrath from writers and commentators in the past.

    Plum is simply not able to coach to his strengths given the current setup, as a result most players lack the structures and support to operate as we all know they can because you do not become useless overnight or over 1 year.

    The problems at the Sharks are organisational structures. And the more people put blame on individuals the longer this will continue.

    You can fire Plum now and appoint Robbie Deans it will not change. And I will be saying the same thing 1 year from now too.

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.02.10 15:52:25 by Morné Reply
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  • i am constantly castigated for calling out Smit on a lot of issues….boks win…its because of smit…boks lose…its PDV.

    sharks the same…the poison is starting because smit refuses to retire….this has caused angst and trouble in that camp….what was supposed to be a return till end of B Lions has now become a contract till end 2011….and the sharks are having to carry the burden. Thats the start of the trouble….it has been the wedge…and it grows daily.

    Smit has no reason to play on….he is no 3 and not good enough at 2….Bissy knows this…Jannie Dup knows this…Burden knows this….Carstens knows this….and so the rifts widen….factions, etc. Plum cant do a thing. This is now a political timebomb. Ban me for my views….but i called this end of last season. It doesent take a genius to see the obvious.

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.02.10 16:10:38 by grant10 Reply

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  • Hugh Reese Edwards is probably reading the “Backline Coaching For Dummies” right now…

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.02.10 16:13:45 by The Shark Reply

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  • if the coaching staff were (allegedly) in the docks, does this mean the admin staff have exonerated themselves(vanzyl&straueli) from any and all blame?

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.02.10 16:14:46 by bergshark Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 3) : “the poison is starting because smit refuses to retire….this has caused angst and trouble in that camp…” Dude, this is purely your theory. Do you have any sources that can confirm that Smit is the divisive force that you claim him to be? Personally i think the current Sharks scenario is much bigger than one player.

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.02.10 16:16:27 by CapeShark Reply
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  • ‘The Sharks players stand very little chance of being successful while the coaches and administrators that are supposed to be guiding them seem more interested in self-serving political agendas.’

    Yipee we allowed to talk politics again :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.02.10 16:19:45 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 5) : I would say that’s spot on

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.02.10 16:20:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 6) : I agree, but there’s none so blind as those who will not see. You get the feeling Grant waited in line for 4 hours to get Smittie’s autograph once and was turned away at the last minute? He goes on like a spurned lover some days :mrgreen:

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.02.10 16:21:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • if the coaching staff were (allegedly) in the docks, does this mean the admin staff have exonerated themselves(vanzyl&straueli) from any and all blame? i’m glad reece-edwards not going with.mentioned in article in natal witness he needed to brush up on some things because the game has changed….!!!!!!! Thought he should bring fresh new ideas to the training field ….

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.02.10 16:22:00 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 7) : GLARE :)

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.02.10 16:22:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : well, that’s not gonna solve anything, they are also accountable

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.02.10 16:22:51 by war1 Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 10) : smokescreen… the administrators have now told so many different lies to so many people, I doubt they can keep track.

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.02.10 16:23:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The Shark (Comment 4) : googling “angles on backline coaching” :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.02.10 16:26:03 by rekinek Reply
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  • There has been numerous repremands from certain Sharks supporters towards other Sharks supporters that they are negative/slate their own team or players/bad mouthing the coach and individuals. I have stated my thoughts already and believe that my comments do not fall any in any of the above catagories.
    I, am a Sharks supporter. I, will always be a Sharks supporter. But things just didnt go right for the Sharks, “behind-the-scenes” wise. It has been like that with the Boks as well. And I have read the books of Krige, Mallett (both), Teichman, Kitch and Jake where more went on behind the scenes than what anybody would/could believe. I still have this feeling that things behind the scenes at the Sharks are not 100%. Big unions have faltered because of this. That said, my positive e-mail will be sent to war1. I, am just a plain SHARKS supporter.

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.02.10 16:37:25 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • Oops!! Double posting … How do u delete entry when on mobile?

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.02.10 16:41:09 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan: incredible how the guilty can shift blame …fans need more of a voice ..can’t we contact the major sponsors and so force admin to at least give us a voice at board meetings and player procurement ?

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.02.10 16:52:21 by bergshark Reply

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  • hoping sharks return from this tour with a capable aussie backline coach …

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.02.10 16:55:32 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 18) : :lol: that’s not a bad idea. perhaps poaching reds guy.

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.02.10 16:58:21 by rekinek Reply
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  • hope alberts , ludik and jean stemmet don’t feel to disillusioned with their new team :’( guys came here wanting to be part of a winning -and happy ?-team .. now this :-(

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.02.10 17:00:19 by bergshark Reply

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  • @rekinek: agree ,reds backline looking dangerous . we playing reds first-up after the tour …

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.02.10 17:07:35 by bergshark Reply

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  • If we are to fire someone, i believe it should be the coaching staff, Plumtree, Bashford, Reese Edwards(whatever his contribution or role in the squad as a coach was).

    DON’T FIRE THE PLAYERS!, we have brilliant players, i think it’s time to fire the coaching staff!. They have shown us that they can’t make the step up when push comes to shove.

    It’s now time for John Plumtree to stop giving excuse after excuse and take responsibility for our losses. That’s right, i blame John Plumtree and the coaching staff. Reason being is that there is absolutely no urgency in our play and it certainly shows in the body language of our players.

    But for now i will take it and run with it and support my team as best i can!…

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.02.10 17:15:14 by The Shark Reply

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  • Ego’s and pride can cause alot more damage then one would think. And if that pride comes from a very high level eg. administrators, it could cause a rot in the team’s dynamics. Now I might not be as close to the players as some on here, but for a supporter looking in it does not look too rosy in the Sharks camp. The players however can not be held accountable for everything that is going on even though to the narrow minded it would be the easy route to go. Maybe it is time that the stake holders take stock and make a decision as to where they would like this team to go in the future.

    And if they need help… they know where to find me. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.02.10 17:26:07 by Farlington Reply

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  • @The Shark: 3 cheers to that !!
    Anyone had a look at sharks team on sharks website? Have strauss at 120 kgs ,and swopped ludik /macleod player info .. Wish they would put every contracted player on their ,so we know who is who …minus errors :-D

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.02.10 17:31:14 by bergshark Reply

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  • John Smit hid his (HRE) passport. That’s all.

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.02.10 17:37:06 by McLovin Reply

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  • John Smit was spotted in a ‘secret meeting’ with Steve Meyer’s girlfriend. She told him to retire or the Sharks will suffer a flyhalf crisis. John refused. The rest is history.

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.02.10 17:39:49 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 26) : :mrgreen:
    was he also threatened by Johan Muller’s wife ?

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.02.10 17:47:09 by rekinek Reply
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  • Unknown to most people John Smit is the head honcho of the Illuminati and is secretly controlling world affairs through present day governments and corporations.

    Any coach that’s drops him or speaks out about it, ‘will be taken care of’.

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.02.10 17:47:35 by McLovin Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 27) : The real threat was from Johan. He should never have taken over as captain. It ruined his career in SA. And we all know who was behind it all…

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.02.10 17:50:08 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 28) : What do you smoke??? I want some too!!!

  • Comment 30, posted at 22.02.10 17:50:54 by The Shark Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 29) : I see – and now he was taken care of ;-)

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.02.10 17:55:34 by rekinek Reply
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  • @The Shark (Comment 30) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.02.10 17:56:23 by McLovin Reply

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  • To think none of thse things would have happened if John simply retired or refused to play tighthead. :roll:

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.02.10 17:57:56 by McLovin Reply

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  • In order to understand John Smit tighthead you need to realize that everything is controlled by the John Smit Illuminati made up of his cronies and with some help from Sharks fans.

    The conspiracy first started when the Boks lost their first test with John Smit at tighthead. They (JS Illuminati) have been responsible for many events throughout history, including faking the moonlanding.

    Today, members of the conspiracy are everywhere. They can be identified by their frequent support/selection of John Smit at tighthead.

    They want to imprison resisters at Loftus using mind control. And force them to listen to sokkie treffers only.

    In order to avoid this, we must ensure that John Smit is dropped. Since the media is controlled by Pieter de Villiers and SARU the only way to do this is through the posting of endless messages implicating John Smit in all the evils of the world on rugby blogs the world over.

    This message will self-destruct in 5 seconds.

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.02.10 18:16:57 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 34) : this could get interesting… :)

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.02.10 18:29:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 34) : i am afraid the forces (could it be a third force? ) are on your case. The message failed to self-destruct.

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.02.10 18:32:51 by rekinek Reply
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  • “All of this nonsense, if it is true, merely serves to reinforce my previous point. The Sharks players stand very little chance of being successful while the coaches and administrators that are supposed to be guiding them seem more interested in self-serving political agendas. The former need all of our support now as they do their utmost to serve the team. The latter deserve nothing but our scorn.”

    Oh what rubbish Robert. The Boks, led by Smit, won the WC, 3N and a Lions Tour with the political pressure in SA Rugby. Then surely a wee bit of upheaval can be dealt by Smit and the boys at the Sharks? You cant have it both ways. It cant be Smit leading the Boks despite the coaching team when they win but the coach’s fault when lots of the same players lose at the Sharks. Either Smit is the mythical leader or he isnt. Simple as. He doesnt suddenly grow leadership skills and a backbone when he is coached at national level.

    How is it that when the Boks win it’s Jonny Smit that does it despite de Villiers, Muir, Gold, Stofile, other Stofile, et al. but when the Sharks cant pull it together there’s nothing wrong with the players and its all management’s fault.

    I watched the game on Friday – the Sharks were shit, really shit. It wasnt Plumtree or Bashford or Hugh Reece-Edwards or Strontli on the field that missed countless tackles and couldnt hold onto the ball.

    Sorry dudes but you need to look a bit closer to grass-level for the problems. Granted the coaching system hasnt been great but have tn we seen arti’s on this here website praising the Sharks admin not even 12 months ago?

    Sharks rugby has too many prima donnas and not enough grafters. That problem used to be WeePee’s and we all know how long its taken them to sort themselves out.

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.02.10 18:35:30 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 36) : You can still see it? :shock: ;-)

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.02.10 18:36:50 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 38) : who knows – maybe I am one of them………

    :mrgreen:

    cheerio

  • Comment 39, posted at 22.02.10 18:41:15 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 39) : I’m locking the doors. :shock: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 22.02.10 18:49:08 by McLovin Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 37) : for the record, I’ve never been part of the “Smit is coaching the Boks” brigade…

  • Comment 41, posted at 22.02.10 19:03:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • Iknow alistair hargreaves well.. He was told on tuesday that he was going on tour,then on wednesday afternoon he was told Steenkamp has arrived and he will no longer be going.. They said he would still be playing on friday though, basically to say they screwed up but they would allow him to play this one. How can any player play with confidence when they know their own coaches have no belief in him.. It took one second for an unwanted bulls player to arrive, for him to be kicked out of the squad; and especially before they had even give him a chance on friday night…… What if he had played a stormer?? Would they then phone him on sunday and say you going.. Managment need to make up their blood minds. Put some faith in our players becuase if your managment and coaches dont believe in you,, its going to be hell of a hard for any player to play with confidence

  • Comment 42, posted at 22.02.10 19:22:58 by deltaform Reply

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  • @deltaform (Comment 42) : thanks for that. Please tell Alistair, from me, that we as fans think the way he has been treated is simply disgraceful.

  • Comment 43, posted at 22.02.10 19:25:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • sounds disgusting :@ hope there is no animosity now between him and steenkamp. Am i the only one who suspects steenkamp might pitch up at the tank next year on a more permanent deal ?i feel for gerhard mostert and hopes he makes a speedy recovery-and shake off the injury bogey .that guy is a springbok through and through.

  • Comment 44, posted at 22.02.10 19:36:00 by bergshark Reply

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  • watching some varsity cup – anyone rate tuks fb ? me thinks sharks should have a closer look at this kid .if lambie is being thought of as fh ,and ludik there at fb(with this terblanche’s final s14?),there should be a spot open in the bigger squad. And:what ’bout sharks xv wingers,mark richards and specman.tuks winger dippenaar scored power try -driving to the line through 5 nmmu players.

  • Comment 45, posted at 22.02.10 19:47:01 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 45) : ja, but NMMU are shyte :)

  • Comment 46, posted at 22.02.10 19:58:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan: :-D agree,BUT they beat pmb uni last year in promo/relegation to vc last year :’( … This justin v staden deserves a closer look at though.pretty good goalkicker .

  • Comment 47, posted at 22.02.10 20:05:03 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan: found out how promotion to vc works. At the end of ussa week ,a team is selected by ussa to play in promo game ..bad news for kzn uni’s though,in that chances are slim there will be ussa week this year…

  • Comment 48, posted at 22.02.10 20:10:39 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) : i agree rob they have, one day you play the next you nt good enough no wonder the sharks have no disipline for the coaches & admin because the admin & coaches has no respect for the players thrown around like a piece of, call it what ever you like. The boys don’t need that they need to bind a team and nt with this bull from admin etc :cool:

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.02.10 05:47:55 by Charmaine Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 48) :
    Dont give too much away, write an article about it and you can rake in the points and get a pen and paper icon above your avatar.
    It will be of interest to all, not only Sharks supporters.

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.02.10 08:39:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 50) : finally :-)

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.02.10 09:14:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) :
    Id do it, but bergshark has got the inside lane. ;-)
    I really had no idea that there was a apromotion / relegation scenario.

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.02.10 09:43:23 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 50) : @robdylan (Comment 51) :

    Hey where is my pen and paper icon thing then? :shock:

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.02.10 09:46:08 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 53) :
    You have to post articles (fact based or fictional) here to get that honour.
    I think you have done that though.
    Could be a case for the equality court.

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.02.10 10:32:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 53) : that’s a good point… you did write some stuff, didn’t you? Let me see what’s going on

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.02.10 10:47:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • the sharks have a head coach, assistant coach, a backline coach & a backline consultant, who gets the blame for the current failure of the sharks backline to fire and score tries?

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.02.10 11:23:04 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 56) : in my thinking, all of them!

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.02.10 11:25:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 40) : it will not help. the force permeates wooden and still objects..

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.02.10 11:40:52 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) : didn’t want to post it on support thread – but you do turn us into point … :roll: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.02.10 11:42:01 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 59) : addicts :mrgreen:

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.02.10 11:42:20 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) : i really don’t get how this structure works what is it that Grant Bashford does that Chris Boyd can’t do or that HRE does that Grant Bashford can’t do? Who do the players listen to at the end of the day?

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.02.10 11:42:41 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 61) : all three… that’s why they’re so confused. And not a one of them seem able to teach the players to attack space and keep the ball alive.

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.02.10 11:50:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 59) : you think the points system came about by accident? :)

    Kinda like Pavlovian Scooby Snacks :)

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.02.10 11:52:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • OP see you got your paper and pen ;-)

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.02.10 11:55:25 by Charmaine Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 53) : i found it for you

  • Comment 65, posted at 23.02.10 11:57:37 by robdylan Reply
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