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Monty got a raw deal


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 1 Mar 2010 at 05:00
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I wrote an article before the Super 14 season got under way – in fact, before all the nonsense with Steve Meyer, Ish Dollie, Andy Goode and whoever else even started – to the extent that the Sharks needed to back Monty Dumond to deliver the goods in the Super 14. Ruan Pienaar’s display in Christchurch has made me realise just how right I was.

Monty has been stuffed around. After a very good Currie Cup in 2009, where he and Charl McLeod were the form halfback pairing and very largely responsible for the Sharks ending on top of the log, he then found himself behind Juan Hernandez in the pecking order. Naka Drotske then offered him the prospect of regular Super 14 game time, but those dreams were also dashed as the Sharks opted to keep him in Durban following injuries to both Hernandez and Pienaar. The scramble to find another capable flyhalf ended up being a frankly embarrassing mess, with everyone who had ever worn the ten jersey in a club game anywhere in the world all of a sudden linked to the Sharks.

Steve Meyer came in and was quickly elevated to the “saviour” role, before the most stunning brainfart in modern Super rugby history saw him resign on the eve of his Super 14 debut, following a lover’s tiff between him and his French girlfriend. Dumond duly started against the Chiefs and turned in a solid performance in atrocious conditions. He was, of course, dropped straight afterwards for Pienaar, who has stated time and again that he does not want to play flyhalf. John Plumtree elected not to take Dumond on tour, though, opting to bring in out-of-shape journeyman Andy Goode instead. After Pienaar delivered yet another utter dog’s breakfast for an hour in Christchurch, the podgy pivot, nicknamed Andy Foode for obvious reasons, managed to get himself sinbinned not ten minutes into his Sharks debut!

Forgive me for overreacting here, but to my mind, the Sharks don’t actually have a capable flyhalf on tour at the moment. If it were up to me – and I know that this might seem far too sensible to ever occur to the likes of Plumtree – I’d have Monty Dumond headed over to Sydney on the next available plane. He may not always be the most exciting guy out there but faced with the current crisis, I’m all for any player who is capable of executing the basics of his position superbly, under whatever pressure and in whatever conditions he finds himself.

Monty this seems strange to me
The movies had that movie thing,
But nonsense has a welcome ring
And heroes don’t come easy

(With apologies to R.E.M)



120 Comments

  • I live and work in the Carribbean now and used to pay money and USED TO spend beautiful Saturday mornings watching Sharks games on crappy internet connections.
    I will not bother turning my laptop on again until

    1) The Sharks Administration pull their fingers out
    2) ALL of the Sharks ARE ALLOWED to play to potential.

    I miss players like Warrren Britz and Craig Davidson, they weren’t stars but my god someone in the admin backed them and they served Natal long and very well.

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.03.10 05:21:15 by zimshark Reply
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  • Just an observation, but how come the Aussies (and Kiwis to a lesser extent) seem to have players who can play wherever they are needed e.g. Berrick Barnes, Stephen Larkham, Adam Ashley-Cooper etc etc, yet our players make a big deal about playing anywhere other than their preferred position.

    Aren’t they smart enough, and good enough to be able to play where they need to, and respect the team’s situation first? i.e if Pienaar has to play flyhalf he should do what he is told and play flyhalf!

    I would like to see us produce more intelligent players who can play in whatever position. One guy excelling at the moment is Francois Hougaard. Good on him, you don’t hear him complaining, but rather excelling and making a case where you can;t leave him out of anything!

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.03.10 06:02:03 by sanjaydeva Reply
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  • im sorry but montys performance was anything but solid, every time he got the ball he kicked it straight into the hands of the most dangerous back 3 in the super 14, even johan muller could do that

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.03.10 07:27:50 by willa Reply
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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 2) :

    Good comment!!

    What ever happened to ‘The team always comes first’ :roll:

    That is why I admire John Smit so much! He could easily have done what Frans and Ruan are doing but he realises the team’s needs are more NB than his.

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.03.10 07:53:10 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 4) : Great point with regards to John Smit! I do feel sorry for someone who always gives his best, and loves the Sharks immensely.

    I think more than anything the results in SA reflect attitudes more than talent or anything else. It’s why the Lions and Cheetahs are often so disappointing. Stormers tried hard over the weekend, but lacked the intelligence to grind out the victory, whereas the Bulls showed the difference and their attitude in going for the corner rather than the poles pay dividends for them.

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.03.10 07:59:59 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • yes, monty was stuffed about. I think its despicable that we was barred from going to the Cheetahs, recalled to the Sharks then left in Durban to play Vodacom cup. That is atrocious personnel management.

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.03.10 08:03:25 by CapeShark Reply
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  • its a professional era and players want whats best for them too….be very careful of ostracising players by playing them where they are not happy. Ruan has made it clear from day 1 he is not happy at 10, yet PDV and Plum have forced the issue. F Steyn another example of a player that got frustrated. This utility tag hurts these players, who all want to specialise. Look how smits image is being tarnished by having to accomodate Plum and pdv. Its not simple…and the man management has left a lot to be desired if rumours are true. 1 tip for plum…..dont play smit at 3 against tahs….robinson awaits!

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.03.10 08:24:39 by grant10 Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 4) : thats what i like about john but there are others that think he must go but i say they are eating sour grapes he is a good captain and still think he’s got a lot oh game in him :smile:

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.03.10 08:34:54 by Charmaine Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 7) : In a professional era, as a player you have to act professional. If my employer or a national coach tell I am best utilised in a certain position, I’d do it. In my view, you earn respect and rights. Steyn and Pienaar have not in my opinion.

    Look at players like Larkham. Had he not moved to flyhalf, chances are he’d have earned less than half the test caps he ended up with. Did Carter complain when he was told to play inside centre?

    When I played hockey I played wherever the coach put me (which ranged from back to forward!). I believe if you love the game, and you put the team first, you’ll play anywhere. In his book, Smit say’s the team has to come first, looks to me like Pienaar is not prepared to do so. And neither did Steyn.

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.03.10 08:41:31 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 9) : And definately not the Du Plessis brothers . . .

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.03.10 08:46:46 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • I can’t spend the day blogging so my thoughts on the Sharks on Friday.
    Bismarck was huge, Kanko was brave behind a losing pack, Alberts has a good game and dare I say that Odwa was the best backline player. The backline was clueless. They have NO plan whatsoever. We need to make a dicision about the front row and on Friday’s performance the Sharks cannot afford to leave Bismarck out the team and they definately can’t afford to have Smit at 3. The Sharks need to take some hard decisions and do it now and that includes the issue around Monty. We as fans deserve to see some sort of action taken and even if that means ending last in the S14 and building towards next year then I will support that.

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.03.10 08:48:58 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 11) : now what flair can monty bring, can someone please tell me?

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.03.10 08:52:56 by willa Reply

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  • @willa (Comment 12) : More than Goode???

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.03.10 08:59:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 13) : i dont know, but i doubt it, when goode was on it looked like the game was startig to flow for us(but i didnt finish watching the game)

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.03.10 09:01:12 by willa Reply

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  • Spot on Rob.

    Why the hell do we always have to bring in flyhalves from overseas? Knox, Michalak, Townsend, Hernandez, Goode…

    Short-sighted (read stupid) and unfair. Is Goode better than Monty? I think not.

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.03.10 09:04:15 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 15) :
    blues – Stephen brett
    hurr – willie ripia
    wforce – o’ connor
    brumbies – matt Giteau
    cheetahs – naas olivier
    bulls – morney steyn
    saders – dan carter
    landers – micheal hobbs
    reds – q cooper
    tahs – Halangahu
    lions – spencer
    stormers – p grant
    chiefs – s donald
    sharks – the point is we have a problem and monty is not the answer….ever

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.03.10 09:07:06 by willa Reply

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  • @willa (Comment 14) : What I’m trying to say is that they should just do SOMETHING even if it’s Lambie…..but 10 is not our immediate problem the front row is…can you really judge a backline when they get backfoot ball all the time?

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.03.10 09:07:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @willa (Comment 14) : No flow…goode was barely on then got carded.

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.03.10 09:08:19 by CapeShark Reply
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  • If u ask me Adi Jacobs looked pretty good at receiver, and he has helped out at 10 in the past. Not saying he’s the answer, but it would be worth a try…

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.03.10 09:09:56 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @willa (Comment 12) : It’s not always about flair. Sometimes it’s better just to have a flyhalf who does the basics well and something less the side has to worry about.

    Also when Goode came on the game was starting to slip away. It’s natural for the opposition to relax as well. How often do we see SA teams playing away score a couple of late tries when the game is gone. It’s producing that when it counts that matters.

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.03.10 09:09:58 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 17) : would love if they used lambie, and u are right the front is a problem, but so is the backs
    @CapeShark (Comment 18) : yes he was barely on, while we are in the dumps might as well give him another chance

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.03.10 09:14:06 by willa Reply

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  • Never took you for an REM fan…

    Great song.

    Monty got a raw deal, off Automatic for the People.

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.03.10 09:16:08 by Morné Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 11) : I wish I’d watched the one where Bis had a good game :-) I thought he was pretty ineffective on Friday. His body position is awful

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.03.10 09:16:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • I agree that Monty got a bad deal after he was approached by the Cheetahs. The Sharks should have let him go if they were never planning on playing him. But in saying that, I’m not sure that he would have made such a huge impact giving our current situation. The flyhalf slot might be a very important position, but so to are the players around you. And when we are on attack we just do not look like scoring tries…. Ok I might have drifted off the subject here and apologize, but I just don’t think Monty would have made that much of a diffrence. Hell I don’t even think Carter would make a diffrence in our team at the moment.

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.03.10 09:17:52 by Farlington Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 20) : i understand what u are saying, but is only the basics at 10 going to be good enough, montys running lines are so bad, not even pedrie would take them

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.03.10 09:18:09 by willa Reply

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  • o just want to say that i do agree, monty was screwed over, and its sad to see that happen to players, but he just doesnt fit the part, so sorry monty

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.03.10 09:21:21 by willa Reply

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  • @willa (Comment 16) : We should be asking ourselves if constantly bringing in flyhalves on short-term contracts is the answer – obviously no.

    Monty may not be Brett, Steyn or Giteau, but we could do a helluva lot worse. Had he been given the fair opportunity to make the 10 jersey his own in last year’s CC (when he was one of the best in the competition with McLeod’s quick service) before having to hand it over to Hernandez to go and sit on the bench, things would have been different today.

    For starters we would have had a much more confident player.

    What Monty should have done was to show Plum the finger and stayed at the Cheetahs. At least he would have been in a setup where he could trust the management.

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.03.10 09:21:26 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @willa (Comment 25) : so in the interests of looking for solutions, rather than just more problems, who would YOU play at 10?

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.03.10 09:22:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : I don’t know which game you watched but Bissie was huge in defence and in the loose, way better than any other forward. Let’s ask. objective Morne.

    @Morné (Comment 22) : How did you rate Bissie on friday?

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.03.10 09:22:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 27) : he never went to the Cheetahs. And he is contracted to the Sharks. Middle fingers tend to mean lawyers :-)

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.03.10 09:25:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 29) :

    Unfortunately I did not watch the game but most reports reckons he was okay.

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.03.10 09:25:54 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 22) : one of my top 3 albums ever!

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.03.10 09:26:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 27) : the cc minus the boks cant even be used in the same sentence as the super 14, he played an awesome game against the bulls, the were short 10 – 13 1st choice players, guys like mcaw, george smith, burger, will have him for breakfast

  • Comment 33, posted at 01.03.10 09:28:09 by willa Reply

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  • Hi Guys Looking at the game again what we need is a F/H that runs straight and not accross the field. Maybe Goode will be able to do that Ruan runs toward the first centre and takes out the space that the centre would normally have so in the end the wings have now where to go and they look like idiots whne the problem is at first reciever. The pack lasted 60 mins and then the fatigue set in. They will be better this week but in order for us to start winning the F/H must get us over the advantage line.Just a thought

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.03.10 09:31:27 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : if they want to build(which is the only thing left to do)maybe lambie, o’connor is a machine, more or less the same build and age, and lambie seems like he has the raw talent to do it, and maybe give us some hope for the future, cos lets be honest, its not looking good at all

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.03.10 09:35:35 by willa Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) :
    Pure class, every track.

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.03.10 09:48:21 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 11) :
    I take it your wife did’nt delete the tape?

  • Comment 37, posted at 01.03.10 09:49:52 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 37) : No :evil:

  • Comment 38, posted at 01.03.10 09:55:28 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 38) : :grin:

  • Comment 39, posted at 01.03.10 10:00:29 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @willa (Comment 35) : yes, but playing Ruan at 10 is not going to accomplish anything, neither is playing Chubby. So if it must be one of the guys on tour, let’s go with Lambie. But Monty should be there to start with Pat playing off the bench.

  • Comment 40, posted at 01.03.10 10:01:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • What I wouldn’t give for Morne Steyn right now….he is really becoming the complete no 10. He is unpredictable and has great variety in his game.

  • Comment 41, posted at 01.03.10 10:03:49 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : so is ludick going over?

  • Comment 42, posted at 01.03.10 10:05:07 by willa Reply

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  • Now where is the next REM inspired topic, also from Automatic for the people and specially for Sharks fans…..

    Everybody Hurts…….Sometimes

  • Comment 43, posted at 01.03.10 10:08:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @willa (Comment 25) : Well the basics give you a good start. At least you know what you are going to get and you can build around that. When you have guys who are inconsistent, it’s terribly hard to figure out what you are going to do.

    My preference is blood a youngster, but I don’t think they’ll ever do that. If they were honest they’d say this season has been a disaster and they can’t win from here so it’d be better to look to the future now.

  • Comment 44, posted at 01.03.10 10:14:55 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : Have to disagree there. I thought Bismarck was quite good, contested well at the breakdowns too.
    If there is a guy I think was poor it’s Kankowski. Alberts was just as bad. These guys need to get the Sharks going forward.

  • Comment 45, posted at 01.03.10 10:17:34 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 29) : Rob Dylan’s dislike of Bissie is almost pathological, and therefore wouldn’t take what he sais regarding Bissie too seriously.
    Which brings me to some interesting facts I learnt during the Cheetahs match. Unfortunately I have no access to Internet anymore, and my phone does not allow me to log onto Sharksworld something about not enough memory! Today I stole my husband’s password and so till he finds out I can write. so here goes:

    My husband and I were given tickets to sit in a box for the Cheetahs match, although I have season tickets we thought sitting out of the rain for this one would be cushy :evil: . The box was filled with members of the Sharks academy including one of the coaches, who is involved with big Sharks as well, (not allowed to mention names for obvious reasons) he stated the following:

    There is no such clause on any of the SHarks’ players contracts which allows them to blackmail the team into making them the first choice, and especially none exist nor existed on the DuPlessis brothers’ contracts. He has no idea where that rumour came from nor who or why its been kept going! (Rob maybe you should revisit this) he categorically states that if one knows Oom Rudi one would know that that clause would not be an option, its one of the reasons that the Dups looked around carefully before signing again with the Sharks which they did with no reservations.
    Secondly he Denies that there is any problems or ego created by the Duplessis or indeed by any of the forwards! the problems lie within the ranks of the backs, and more precisely the coaches.!!! Which funnily enough it is something that I have been saying for a long time :evil: Apparently Plum knows next to nothing about back play (which is evident) and leaves all the coaching to the back coach who apparently does not have the trust/buy-in from the players – there you have a disaster!

    Its been a while that I have have said get a decent back line coach, look what Rosseau has done for the Bulls, suddenly the Bulls are playing excellent 15 man rugby, no longer that 10 men crap. and they are still winning with bonus points :twisted: And a head doctor for the fragile minds of Ruan and others!

    And by the way does any one whant a set of season tickets on the upper eastern stand between 22m and halfway line. I have a set I am willing to sell for R1000 :evil:

    I am only joking will support these palookas no matter what!!!!

  • Comment 46, posted at 01.03.10 10:18:45 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • I think is is unfair to say that because a player wants to specialise in a position rather than be used as a “utility” he does not have the teams interests at heart. It is almost guarenteed that anyone who pulls on that jersey plays his heart out. Why should’t the like sof Pienaar, Steyn and Monty want to specialise – that doesn’t mean that they wont be flexible to positonal moves in the future – it just means that it will allow them to improve their game form now. For instance – look at Ruan – that poor oak has been shafted – told to be a utility back….then is comes a specialist in every position (or pet/aa favourites) an Ruan is benched.

    For the record,. I don’t believe that Frans left for any other reason than because of PDV….completely undercoached and under utilised by the national coach – when Frans made those absolute monster kicks to clinch the 3n’s victory last PDV’s comments were “there are more of those back home”..really!!! I would also tell him to shove it.

  • Comment 47, posted at 01.03.10 10:19:11 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 44) :
    They can win from here though (but very, very unlikely) and they will grab at that possibility with every inch of hope they have, so dont expect to see too much …..yet.

  • Comment 48, posted at 01.03.10 10:19:24 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 44) : its so sad to think that we have been looking forward to this for 8 months, and its already over in the first 3 weeks :cry:

  • Comment 49, posted at 01.03.10 10:20:02 by willa Reply

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  • Secondly he Denies that there is any problems or ego created by the Duplessis or indeed by any of the forwards! the problems lie within the ranks of the backs, and more precisely the coaches.!!! Which funnily enough it is something that I have been saying for a long time :evil: Apparently Plum knows next to nothing about back play (which is evident) and leaves all the coaching to the back coach who apparently does not have the trust/buy-in from the players – there you have a disaster!

    Blog Dudette – basically what we have been saying on the site for a while – cant have so many talented players playing shite for no reason….

  • Comment 50, posted at 01.03.10 10:24:52 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • yeah, i have decided to hold criticism this week. i watched the first 20 minutes of the game and was impressed with rory’s passing. so it shows he has the ability. a few players kept kicking ball away, some more than others. the sharks biggest problem is they aren’t getting out their half because they give away possession too easily. so as of today i will blame everyone and no-one.

  • Comment 51, posted at 01.03.10 10:28:25 by try time Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 50) : It has been my contention as well for a while, our backs look like headless chickens, most of the time do not know what to do with the ball once they get it, or run accross field instead of hard and straight!

    We probably have the team with the most talent yet we are sitting second last on the log, even lower than the Lions, time for the Sharks management to reassess and get us a decent Backline coach.

  • Comment 52, posted at 01.03.10 10:30:44 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • the players seem to disagree with what dudette’s mystery friend is saying

  • Comment 53, posted at 01.03.10 10:34:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 44) : I agree with you whole heartidly on this one!

  • Comment 54, posted at 01.03.10 10:36:26 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 47) : That’s fine to specialise. But the team’s needs are more important than an individuals.

    Frans was not unhappy with the Boks and PdV is a good man manager. That’s why JdV has returned. Boks of 2009 were the happiest Bok side i’ve seen since 1995, and PdV deserves a lot of credit.

  • Comment 55, posted at 01.03.10 10:43:38 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) : Which players Rob? This guy is one of the lecturers (what do you call them at the Academy) and I’ll see if I can get hold of him and see if I can put his name down. Understand, that he is not my friend I was sitting next to him at the game in a box which belongs to an associate of my husbands, so I am not sure how free I am to state who he is and what he has said. but I’ll get hold of Sipho and then of this guy, and maybe you two could get in touch.

    But please explain to me how unhappiness with the Dups, who are forwards, affect only the backs and make the Backs play woefully like they are?

  • Comment 56, posted at 01.03.10 10:44:36 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 48) : So in other words they will waste half the season before trying anything? Look what happened when the Stormers decided last year to give some youngsters a go!

  • Comment 57, posted at 01.03.10 10:45:41 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • In fact I am going to go one step further than this, I work with Oom Rudi’s cousin, who is a Civil eng. and a really great guy, I’ll ask Peter to get clarity on this point from Oom Rudi himself. I’ll post the reply should I get one.

  • Comment 58, posted at 01.03.10 10:48:41 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : Pity – it would have made him feel better ;-)

  • Comment 59, posted at 01.03.10 10:50:01 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) : Lets be fair, if Dudettes got mystery friends then your unnamed players should be labelled as mystery players.

  • Comment 60, posted at 01.03.10 10:53:40 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 60) : :lol: was thinking the same that is why I asked that question.

    Well whatever is the truth, I just hope they sort it out and soon!

  • Comment 61, posted at 01.03.10 10:56:05 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • i think a big problem is the team hasn’t had a chance to settle. i have called for player rotation and agree it must be done. but you can’t chop and change until the core have settled. and meyer retiring, goode being bought, mullers and mostert’s injuries etc etc has left the team at odds and ends. players need to be rotated but not stupidly.

  • Comment 62, posted at 01.03.10 10:58:44 by try time Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 55) :

    They didnt look so happy at the end of year…..JDV is coming back because it is his last chance to play for the World Cup….and you never saw him get shafted by PDV..Frans had it continually.

    Not a fan of PDV -he has not progressed the Boks in anyway – each game is a lottery whether we will win or lose. PDV spoke about “total rugby”…yet he has created total chaos…..(end of year tour is proof!) Bulls are proof of the genius of Heneke Meyer and total rugby.

  • Comment 63, posted at 01.03.10 10:59:46 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 57) :
    I think they will look at other teams that have achieved success from a similar position and hope for the same before experimentting. It would be the easiest thing to do. If it doesbnt come off will they then have the willingness to go that route….I dont know, time will tell.

  • Comment 64, posted at 01.03.10 11:01:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 63) : they weren’t happy year end, because the guys were stuffed. it is time to send a b side on the end of year tour. you could see how the shark boks butchered the cc semi last year cos the players were finished.

  • Comment 65, posted at 01.03.10 11:02:32 by try time Reply

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  • @willa (Comment 33) : Ironically, it was when our Boks re-joined the CC squad that our season went for a ball of shit. The point is that we keep chopping and changing. If Monty isn’t good enough, why haven’t we been able to identify and blood even one good youngster?

    The unfortunate reality is that talented youngsters like Gerhard van den Heever and Francois Hougaard would not be playing Super rugby had they lived in Durban.

  • Comment 66, posted at 01.03.10 11:04:47 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 66) : that does bring up a good question. What is the academy actually producing? is it just a great money making scheme?

  • Comment 67, posted at 01.03.10 11:07:33 by try time Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 66) : agree and agree

  • Comment 68, posted at 01.03.10 11:09:22 by willa Reply

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  • I hope that Monty gets called to Australasia, the Sharks have not done very well and they need to seriously consider changing their team or changing their tactics – hell man change the coach!!!!
    Still shouting for the guys in black and white :lol:

  • Comment 69, posted at 01.03.10 11:20:41 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • Is there a poison running through out the Sharks camp? Is there forces at hand that we don’t know about(eg individuals who’s ego’s is costing us)? Well none of us will know for sure. There is however a serious problem within the team and it might be a little more then just a coaching problem. Ever since the 2007 S14 final we have gone into our shells and never really looked the part. OK 2008 was a good year we won the CC that year but that was a mere 16 months or so ago. What has changed since then????

    Did a few players leaving have such a huge impact?? Do we have backline players being coached like forwards?? These are things I would like to know.

  • Comment 70, posted at 01.03.10 11:30:20 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 56) : @Farlington (Comment 70) : What is the common trait with the Sharks side No Fly Half we won the CC because of Fred since then Ruan played got injured and is still recovering from an off season op Frans was not the answer at F/H that is what we need If you have PVR or a recording of fridays game forwards give us go froward ball to Ruan who looks like he has taken a leaf out of Waylon’s book runs across the field not straight and we wind up 10-15 meters worse off
    our problem is F/H and we need to solve it this week otherwise we are going to find ourselves in a position where our destiny is not in our hands
    @robdylan (Comment 53) : any idea how much longer Cronje is out for?

  • Comment 71, posted at 01.03.10 11:41:29 by Fattmann Reply
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  • Look like Butch James will join the Stormers next year.

    http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/742064/WORLD-CUP-winner-Ben-Kay-has-agreed-to-join-Jonny-Wilkinson-at-French-high-rollers-Toulon.html

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    And Bath are resigned to losing fly-half Butch James after he agreed a deal with South Arica’s Stormers to play in next year’s Super 15.

    Now we only need Jean’s signature!

  • Comment 72, posted at 01.03.10 11:56:25 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 72) : News of the World? Gimme a break… Butch still has 2 years on his Bath contract.

  • Comment 73, posted at 01.03.10 12:13:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 72) : :shock:

  • Comment 74, posted at 01.03.10 12:13:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 72) : why they need another flyhalf for anyhow? maybe cause Grant`s moving back to Durban? :lol:

    speculation, speculation…

  • Comment 75, posted at 01.03.10 12:20:30 by VanWilder Reply

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  • AND – with the Southern Kings making such a woo-haa, we could seriously be in danger of not playing any Super 15 if we get the wooden spoon for South African sides… not likely to happen, but sounds like SA rugby made promises to them that they cant keep.

  • Comment 76, posted at 01.03.10 12:25:49 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 67) : That’s what I would like to know.

    The Sharks Academy takes credit for Frans Steyn, but he also went to Murray Mexted’s Academy in NZ.

    The only other flyhalf produced by the Sharks Academy was Steve Meyer.

  • Comment 77, posted at 01.03.10 13:01:50 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 73) :

    Since when do SA players take contracts seriously??
    :oops:

  • Comment 78, posted at 01.03.10 13:03:24 by JT-www.rugby-innsbruck.at Reply

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  • Following the loss to the Crusaders on Friday, Sharks coach John Plumtree admitted to being disappointed, especially at how the game was lost in the second 40 of the game.
    “We’re obviously very upset to have conceded 25 point in the second half,” he said, this after delivering a very competitive first half.

    Prior to the match, Plumtree admitted that after the Reds had so successfully pressurised the Crusaders into making mistakes, he felt that his charges should do more of the same.

    “We wanted to,” he admitted, “but we ended up playing a lot of rugby in our own half. We’d build up some momentum but then got a lot of penalties and free kicks and that lost us opportunities to attack in their half. So to build pressure close to their goal line and not convert was hugely disappointing, we had to put pressure on their defence but never got into their 22 to do that.

    “We were possibly a bit lateral in the offload but couldn’t get behind them, which was very frustrating. We were forced to pay a lot from inside our own half and the game was decided defensively.”

    And the Crusaders certainly gave a good account of themselves against some of the more enterprising and powerful Sharks attacking opportunities.

    “We probably kicked a bit more than we would have liked, but I encouraged the boys to be adventurous. However, that was difficult against a side who were so committed on defence,” he added.

    With most of the scrums being reset or penalised for early engagement, there was very little opportunity to attack off the set piece and Plumtree admitted they’d be looking at this area during the week ahead of their match against the Waratahs.

    “One of the areas we’ll work on is the scrum – we scrummed well at times and not others. He also pointed out that on attack, “when our forwards are involved, we have got to get running down the middle more, not out wide.” But he added that there is a steely resolve in this Sharks side. “We have to make sure we fight back, there is nothing else we can do. We’re here as a group, we know we will come in for criticism but we have to turn that into a positive. We’ll do what we need to do, but it’s not easy, it’s a tough problem when you’re not playing with a lot of confidence, and as a coaching group, we need to find some recipes to rectify that.

    Facing the criticism he acknowledges is out there, he adds that, “We are trying, we really are, that’s the thing. Over the next week, we need to find some mongrel in us, we need to get really physical, we also can’t get despondent.

    “But it’s a long road, a tough one and we need to work it out and find ways to pull through together.”

  • Comment 79, posted at 01.03.10 13:23:12 by Charlie Reply

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  • I’d like to revisit those “Ruan for Bok flyhalf” and “Morne sucks salty peanuts” articles and comments…just for fun…or torture. :lol:

  • Comment 80, posted at 01.03.10 13:41:37 by blackshark Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 76) : we can go north

  • Comment 81, posted at 01.03.10 13:43:35 by try time Reply

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  • i asked these questions when everyone was raving about steve meyer. A solid monty who had a good showing in the currie cup last year vs 30 minutes of steve meyer against the stormers. And most here were unanimous that meyer was flash & the backline seemed to flow…what flowing backline? Even with ruan that backline is stadig! Now what?

  • Comment 82, posted at 01.03.10 14:04:25 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 82) : Now what is the jackpot question.

    All I know is, as one of the most professional rugby unions in the world, with an internationally recognised and revered brand loved by supporters across the globe, why the hell are we in this situation?

    Why is it so difficult for us to maintain a squad of quality players by identifying and addressing problem areas long before they become a friggin crisis?

    Why can’t we be like the Crusaders? Is there any reason why not?

  • Comment 83, posted at 01.03.10 14:17:38 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 83) : We try to fix something that’s not broken :cry:

  • Comment 84, posted at 01.03.10 14:29:25 by Charlie Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 80) : Morne Steyn is quickly becoming a complete flyhalf. He is unpredictable and varies his game very well. He also manages to create some space for Olivier. That little kick that led to JL Potgieter’s try was really well executed.

  • Comment 85, posted at 01.03.10 14:36:37 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 82) : I’ve been pushing for Ruan to play 10, but he’s obviously not interested.

  • Comment 86, posted at 01.03.10 14:38:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 86) : sharks management never backed Monty! They were sure they’d covered their bases with JMH & Ruan as back-up when needed. But now the whole thing has unravelled in their faces & it is stinking to high heaven!

  • Comment 87, posted at 01.03.10 14:47:35 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 87) : I agree

  • Comment 88, posted at 01.03.10 15:00:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 77) : nah, that’s not true.

    The Academy has produced stacks of flyhalves… just most of them left because they weren’t getting any game time.

  • Comment 89, posted at 01.03.10 15:28:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 6) : Couldnt agree more. Sad really.

  • Comment 90, posted at 01.03.10 15:34:15 by billy Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) :

    Got any names?

  • Comment 91, posted at 01.03.10 15:40:56 by JT-www.rugby-innsbruck.at Reply

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  • @JT-www.rugby-innsbruck.at (Comment 91) : Scott Spedding, Guy Cronje, Ignus Prinsloo, Tiaan Marx, Tian Meyer, Dauw Steyn – that’s off the top of my head

  • Comment 92, posted at 01.03.10 15:46:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 92) :

    and where are they all now? Still in SA or off to EU/Aus?

  • Comment 93, posted at 01.03.10 15:48:03 by JT-www.rugby-innsbruck.at Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 83) : WTF – Why can’t we play more the Bulls…Crusaders have proved that they are nothing if either Dan or Richie aren’t there! Bulls are playing total rugby….

  • Comment 94, posted at 01.03.10 15:54:00 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @JT-www.rugby-innsbruck.at (Comment 93) : most are now with other SA provinces. Spedding is at Brive (and was ahead of Foode in the pecking order)

  • Comment 95, posted at 01.03.10 15:54:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) :

    Thanks – seen Spedding but never realized he is a Saffa :shock:
    What I would like to see is gerber playing in SA!! Danie’s boy! He is doing well in France!

  • Comment 96, posted at 01.03.10 15:58:57 by JT-www.rugby-innsbruck.at Reply

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  • @JT-www.rugby-innsbruck.at (Comment 96) : Sam Gerber? We had him for a brief while too. Played some Vodacom Cup, then moved on. Like many 1000s of others.

  • Comment 97, posted at 01.03.10 16:00:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JT-www.rugby-innsbruck.at (Comment 96) : Spedders is a St Johns boy, but we try not to hold that against him. We should have got him back rather than Meyer.

  • Comment 98, posted at 01.03.10 16:01:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • SA boys doing brilliantly in France:
    Big Joe “Fannykirk” – captains Toulon at times and is inspirational!
    Sam Gerber – try scoring winger!
    Philip Burger – great runner in open field – that try v Miunster was AWESOME!
    Marius Joubert – back and 1st game scores for Perpignon!
    Sowerby and Daan Human – stalwarts at Toulouse!
    Gavin Hume – FH of note in France, also plays 12.
    Frans Steyn – loving it at 12 for Racing!
    Oelshig – playing FH more often and doing rather well for Stade!
    Drickus Hancke – lock for Montpellier regular starter!
    Rob linde – captaining his side in the Top 14
    and the list goes on and on.
    SA have depth – only problem is they are spread over the planet!

  • Comment 99, posted at 01.03.10 16:23:49 by JT-www.rugby-innsbruck.at Reply

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  • @JT-www.rugby-innsbruck.at (Comment 99) :

    Rob Linde!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Bwhahahahahahahah

  • Comment 100, posted at 01.03.10 16:52:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Guys, Hilton Lobberts, Hottie Louw and Bolla might easily be persuaded to switch Wellington for Durban. Okay as long as we organise them some nice digs outside the city of course :twisted:

  • Comment 101, posted at 01.03.10 17:19:23 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 100) :

    Yes – I could not believe my eyes! He has bulked up a wee bit and is playing really well! :shock:

  • Comment 102, posted at 01.03.10 17:29:25 by JT-www.rugby-innsbruck.at Reply

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  • All the comments are very interesting to read. I definately agree that Dumond had a raw deal. Just as he was reaching his peak in 2009, he was replaced by an injury prone Hernandez. From there he hasn’t really had an opportunity to make the 10 jersey his own, and the situation could have been rectified if Plumtree used him in the right manner. Another important aspects of Dumond is his ability to kick for posts, which I believe is hugely underrated. I will never forget the game in Bloem last year when we beat the cheetahs in the pouring rain (another wonderful display by Kocket), Monty came on later in the second half and slotted a penalty from 50 m +. Its an invaluable gift to have a backup kicker like that for Kocket, because lets be honest, Pienaar is not settled and that will have a severe effect on his kicking ability.

    One other important thing to remember is that a flyhalf cannot dictate a game without a strong scrum to work from. Our turnover capability is very high and to be lauded, but our scrummaging has not been up to scratch for more than a year now. Rather play Carstens at tighthead than Smit or Jannie, because he has previously proven his capability against good opposition at no 3. Smit is not a tighthead, and Jannie lacks the required technique. Maybe we should try to get BJ Botha back at the sharktank? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 103, posted at 01.03.10 17:35:02 by Hanuwilsenach Reply

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  • @Hanuwilsenach (Comment 103) : are you the same hanu wilsenach who went to primary school in barberton?

  • Comment 104, posted at 01.03.10 17:38:57 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 104) : Thats correct the one and only

  • Comment 105, posted at 01.03.10 17:51:04 by Hanuwilsenach Reply

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  • @Hanuwilsenach (Comment 105) : have you been registered here for long?

  • Comment 106, posted at 01.03.10 17:52:17 by war1 Reply
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  • @JT-www.rugby-innsbruck.at (Comment 102) :

    Pietvag must be really happy he can finally ALMOST say one of his players is the best in some competition. :lol: :oops:

  • Comment 107, posted at 01.03.10 18:11:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 104) :

    @Hanuwilsenach (Comment 105) :

    Check hey!!!!!!!!!! We are like the facebook for Rugby fans!!! :razz:

  • Comment 108, posted at 01.03.10 18:16:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 106) : since 1 March 2010. :)

  • Comment 109, posted at 01.03.10 19:40:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 63) : Ask the players. Hear what they have to say about PdV. They are very happy under PdV. Fourie du Preez has stated it’s the happiest Bok squad he has been involved with. You have to give the man credit, like Ludeke he appears to learn his lessons and change. I don’t see Plumtree doing that.

  • Comment 110, posted at 01.03.10 23:40:13 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 110) : you know why I like you Sanjay? You’re a Bulls supporter, but you’re not like all the Bulls supporters… know what I mean? :)

  • Comment 111, posted at 02.03.10 00:15:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 111) : LOL not really, and I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not!

    The majority of Bulls supporters are very nice people! LOL…Mind you it helps when our side is winning. It’d be nice if all the SA sides were performing well however.

  • Comment 112, posted at 02.03.10 06:05:48 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 112) : Don`t you think Jonker made life a little more difficult for SA sides overseas with his performance against the `Tahs?

    Daan taking guys out while still in the air, Wannenberg with a good old shoulder charge after Barnes kicked the ball ( had it been Butch it would`ve been a red card!) even Morne Steyn taking guys down with head high tackles . . .

    Bulls are a good side, they don`t need favours like this and I`m afraid the overseas refs might feel they need to ” get back at SA sides” to put us in our place again . . .

  • Comment 113, posted at 02.03.10 08:16:30 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 113) : Well I didn’t see it that way at all.

    I thought Jonker did a good job overall, the game flowed, and had tries. If anything I thought he was lenient on the Waratahs constant infringing and I’d have given them a yellow for professional fouls. (Mind you I am biased!)

    THe other SA sides must stop worrying about the refs and just start tackling and scoring tries. They don’t need anymore excuses!

  • Comment 114, posted at 02.03.10 08:46:01 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 114) : Don`t mind me man, I just can`t resist the temptation to give Bulls supporters stick!

    But yeah it`s kinda difficult to say anything negative about them. They`re the best super 14 outfit at the moment and looks set to stay on top for a while.

  • Comment 115, posted at 02.03.10 09:14:01 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 101) :
    Some of those guys might prefer staying slap bang in the middle of the bowl. :twisted:

  • Comment 116, posted at 02.03.10 09:20:33 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 115) : No Problem at all! I just hope the Sharks can sort out their problems, SA needs a good Sharks side. Unfortunately I believe this season is a write off. Just as 2008 was for the Bulls, what will make the difference is their attitude to come out of stronger and wiser.

  • Comment 117, posted at 02.03.10 11:21:44 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : That was taken from the academy’s own website. According to them the only flyhalves that they have produced (and who got anywhere) were Steyn and Meyer.

  • Comment 118, posted at 02.03.10 17:35:39 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 94) : I like the way the Bulls are playing at the moment and did last year.

    What I’m talking about is that the Crusaders keep performing year after year. They don’t seem to get into the situations that we do. If Carter or McCaw is injured someone else just slots in without too much fanfare and the job still gets done.

  • Comment 119, posted at 02.03.10 17:43:02 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 119) : the coach, got a better coach than ours i say :smile:

  • Comment 120, posted at 02.03.10 21:50:01 by Charmaine Reply

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