Gutted for our boys!

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 6 Mar 2010 at 12:46
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Sharks – if any of you read this, just know how proud you made us today! Regardless of the result, which was a travesty, the boys stood up and really showed character and teamwork today. The body language was better and some of the smiles even came back. This is what Sharks rugby is all about and if you play like that, boys, it doesn’t even matter if you lose.

Not that you’ll lose too many more if you carry on in that vein.

We’ll no doubt pick this game – and the frankly ridiculous decisions by Marks – to pieces over the next few days. For now, let’s try to keep our heads up because the progress we saw in that second half was simply remarkable.

Black and white – nothing else matters.


  • I am realy proud of my team, you guys were absolutely awesome today, team spirit is definately back :grin:

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.03.10 12:48:18 by dawnwallenkamp Reply
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  • 3rd from the bottom – we are moving up!!!! Force has to lose their game with no points to be added :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 06.03.10 12:49:06 by dawnwallenkamp Reply
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  • @dawnwallenkamp (Comment 2) : they’re on a bye this week.

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.03.10 12:53:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • Well done Sharks – you did not deserve to lose the game.What a ponce of a ref

  • Comment 4, posted at 06.03.10 12:58:59 by eckard Reply

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  • This is the second time we’ve been robbed of a result after the Chiefs game when the ref missed a few things prior to awarding a (legitimate) penalty. If he had punidhed the Chiefs, the Sharks would have won.

    And again today, he HAD to award a penalty try, there was no doubt a try would have been scored.

    So, we would have had 9 log points, that woulod have put us in the middle of the table and not far off the top.

    Sadly we did play poorly in the first 3 games but this was what we need to see more of, hopefully its the start of things to come.

    Lets hope Marks gets hauled over teh coals.

    KSA -what’s your thought on the no penalty try and the penalty against Jannie who was bound the whole time at that last lineout and ruled to be obstructing.

  • Comment 5, posted at 06.03.10 13:16:16 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 5) : it was obstruction…

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.03.10 13:18:03 by Megatron Reply

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  • I’m going to disagree with most people on this site: while we could have won the game, saying we should have is a bit far fetched.

    Kanko’s try was metres offside for starters and the ref let us play the ball off our feet far too often. Admittedly we should have scored a try in the dying minutes – it should have been a penalty try – but why on earth did Stefan allow Beale’s hand to be anywhere near the ball?

    Our aimless kicking put us continuously on the back foot and Terblanche and Ndungane are past it. Way past it. Swanepoel is not a Super 14 player, not yet at least. Our two lock forwards aren’t even close to physical enough and our tempo ups when our two captains, Smit and Muller, are off the field.

    There were tons of positives but they’ve been mentioned already, there’s still a lot of work before we’re a top 4 team again.

    The ref wasn’t biased but he was poor. He allowed offsides, forward passes and hands in the rucks for both teams. Calling a penalty try from 30 metres out would have been brave, not saying he shouldn’t have done it, but even a ref having a good game would be unlikely to do it.

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.03.10 13:18:14 by Flashman Reply

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  • @Flashman (Comment 7) : Someone always has to lick the icing off the cake before the candles have been blown out.

    Let those positive amongst us enjoy a cousin’s kiss – yep, you know you’re related but hell, she kisses nicely.

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.03.10 13:34:46 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 6) : If he was the lifter and remained bound, he was not obstructing, or else every rolling maul where the ball is at the back is obstruction.

    It technically is, but if everyone remains bound, there is no obstruction.

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.03.10 13:36:29 by Baldrick Reply

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  • Well done Sharks. My heart goes out to the players. We should have won this one for sure.


  • Comment 10, posted at 06.03.10 13:40:06 by Puma Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 8) : Quite right, I’ll hold my tongue!

  • Comment 11, posted at 06.03.10 13:41:34 by Flashman Reply

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  • Next week nothing to lose. Try out the youngsters, start with them not bring them from the bench either.

    Mvovo, Lambie should start.

    Bulls are playing with their youngsters. Think two of them have just turned 20. Why can we not do the same? Lambie is a future Bok he is that good. Pure class start to play him now. Fransie played when he was only 19. Mvovo should start too.

    Once again. Well done Sharks you made me proud today. Game should have been yours but unlucky once again with the ref. We true Sharks supporters will always support you know matter win or lose.


  • Comment 12, posted at 06.03.10 13:44:41 by Puma Reply

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  • @Flashman (Comment 11) : Even if you are right, hell, the boys tried. I agree that it wasn’t a perfect performance, but they did in this game what they haven’t in any other this season, they showed character and heart, and that’s all we can ask for, the rest will come.

  • Comment 13, posted at 06.03.10 13:44:47 by Baldrick Reply

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  • Good luck to the rest of the saffa sides today. Go Cheetahs and Stormers.

  • Comment 14, posted at 06.03.10 13:47:30 by Puma Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 13) : They did, they did indeed and I enjoyed watching it. It looked as if some of them were enjoying playing which makes a positive change.

    It’s just so frustrating, knowing and seeing that we were the better team on the field by a long way, and then still losing.

    @Puma (Comment 12) : Absoutely they should play but to change 2/3 of a back three is dangerous. I’d advocate Mvovo first for the rest of the tour and then Lambie once we get home. Have Lambie on the bench by all means and ease him into things.

  • Comment 15, posted at 06.03.10 13:57:19 by Flashman Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 14) : Go Highlanders ! :lol:

  • Comment 16, posted at 06.03.10 14:09:55 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • almost said good morning bloggers, but it’s neither morning nor good :roll:

    i still did not make myself to watch last week’s game so cannot really see the drastic improvement.

    sharks looked good with ball in hand – adi’s try came after 15 phases. but they still kicked a lot.

    glad that this goode is not very bad.

  • Comment 17, posted at 06.03.10 14:52:57 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Flashman (Comment 7) : Disagree with you. It was def a penalty try. Bear in mind that refs have awarded penalty tries under more dubious circumstances like collapsed scrums. The law states that if under the circumstance that the penalty/professional foul hadn’t been committed, would the likihood have been a try? With probably the fastest sharks player unmarked on the outside and no cover defence, it would be a resounding YES…

  • Comment 18, posted at 06.03.10 14:59:11 by CapeShark Reply
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  • Great improvement by the Sharks all round. I hate to say it, but the team looked better with Smittie off the field… Deysel great, Stefan great, Kanko superb. By the way, the Kanko try was legit. Their quick lineout meant the ball was in play by the time Kanko arrived at the lineout…totally legit.

  • Comment 19, posted at 06.03.10 15:02:34 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 16) : shush
    i picked stormers on LMS (I have no lifeline left :roll: :roll:

  • Comment 20, posted at 06.03.10 15:06:14 by rekinek Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 19) : there was absolutely nobody next to kankowski so i though if sth would have been wrong even this ref would have spotted.

    don’t think stef had such a great game. good ball fielding and at least tried to run for the last 20 minutes.

  • Comment 21, posted at 06.03.10 15:07:46 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 21) : Well, when Stef actually does run, it’s a revelation!
    So irritated with the article on keo. As usual those numnut writers can’t find anything positive to say about their own countrymen. Despite the rather obvious improvement from last week…

  • Comment 22, posted at 06.03.10 15:13:46 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 20) : me too :oops: where are you on SB :wink:

  • Comment 23, posted at 06.03.10 15:14:38 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • That the way i am very proud to be a shark supporter you made me proud GO SHARKS GO :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 06.03.10 15:19:46 by Charmaine Reply

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  • @Jarson’s (X + V) (Comment 23) : don’t ask :oops:

    o sorry – forgot that you don’t ask because you are concerned about my standing but because you want to know that you are above me ;-)
    i’m like 117 :oops:

  • Comment 25, posted at 06.03.10 15:27:11 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 25) : hehehe :wink: it only looks bad cause so many people in the pool, smaller pools equals better rankings

  • Comment 26, posted at 06.03.10 15:38:45 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 9) : Agree. This was just as bad a call as not awarding the penalty try. I could not believe how bad this ref was. We really deserved to win this one and was hard done by.

    I also agree with Rob regarding the body language. They really looked better then they did in the previous matches, and hopefully they can take their positive attitude thru to the next game and remainder of the S14.

  • Comment 27, posted at 06.03.10 15:41:51 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 12) :


    Time to build confidence now.

    The Sharks will know they had this one won.

    Stick with most combinations, perhaps rest Smit if anything and play Beast, Bismarck and Jannie.

    Sure rotate Odwa well but you guys have no idea what value Stefan adds to this team.

    Adi is a 13!!!

    Proved in his magical 2008 season for the Boks and again today.

    Minimal changes are required.

  • Comment 28, posted at 06.03.10 15:46:32 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : What does that mean?

  • Comment 29, posted at 06.03.10 15:49:05 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Ok, means they are not playing, but why not? I still have so much to learn (SIGH) :cry:

  • Comment 30, posted at 06.03.10 15:51:50 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • @dawnwallenkamp (Comment 29) : the Force and Bulls are not playing this weekend

  • Comment 31, posted at 06.03.10 15:51:57 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • @dawnwallenkamp (Comment 30) : you’ll get there :wink:

  • Comment 32, posted at 06.03.10 15:53:43 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • After much deliberation, I have decided this morning’s game was in fact a Sharks win, thus my little sabbatical is over and I can once again add my 5 cents worth.

    Very well done Sharks!!!!!!!! The Sharks once again played like the team we all love and support till death do us part, they once again showed why we love our team so much, the character showed by them almost brought me to tears :mrgreen: .

    You go Sharks and build on today. Sharks Forever, nothing else matters!!!!

    P.S. I’m sick of these professional ‘amateur’ ozzie and kiwi refs, how many more games will we lose before something is done to address the issue!?

  • Comment 33, posted at 06.03.10 16:57:01 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 33) : P.S.S Relegate Jannie ‘die boks’ du Plessis to the voda-cup team, that thing is dumber than a wet brick.

  • Comment 34, posted at 06.03.10 17:00:49 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 33) : YAY!

  • Comment 35, posted at 06.03.10 17:01:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : Thanks Rob, at least someone is happy to see me back, and I don’t even think I’m cheating, this morning was a definite win, I served my time with honor! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 36, posted at 06.03.10 17:10:39 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 34) : For a Doctor he’s not very bright on a rugby field.

  • Comment 37, posted at 06.03.10 17:11:03 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 37) : I wonder how much he paid for his degree? :|

  • Comment 38, posted at 06.03.10 17:15:11 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • You have to know the ref is attrocious when even the winning side comments about him.

    “We probably got away with it a bit at the end there,” said Waratahs captain Phil Waugh, summing up the situation succinctly.

    A BIT???????????? You got away with Murder!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 39, posted at 06.03.10 17:32:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • 2 things that really made me proud of the guys 1. team spirit, as evidenced by outscoring the ‘tahs when being two men down, and also the way the guys came back at the end of the game. 2. keeping the ball through the phases, have not seen that kind of rugby from the sharks in a LONG time. Make no mistake there is still a lot of improvement needed from the guys but the team spirit seems to be back and that makes me hopeful the team will keep improving.

  • Comment 40, posted at 06.03.10 17:47:38 by war1 Reply
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  • Even the Kiwi’s moan about the Aus refs. Why do we put up with it? :evil:

  • Comment 41, posted at 06.03.10 17:57:10 by McLovin Reply

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  • Not that they are always biased, they are just not good enough.

  • Comment 42, posted at 06.03.10 17:57:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • I was impressed with Ruan at SH, he got the quick ball to the backline which allowed the gaps to open in the ‘tahs defensive lines.

    Adi seems to be getting back to his best (might be there already looking at today today).

    Kockot’s biggest problem is his ‘forwards only’ oriented play, the new interpretations needs fast ball to the backline.

    Fat man Goode wasn’t bad either, think his yellow card was a bit harsh.

    Alberts put some monster tackles in, I even saw old Smittie smoke a few tahs.

    Everyone actualy played their hearts out, just one blemmish stood out:

    Plonker of the day and probably the season is Jannie…..what else can we say.

  • Comment 43, posted at 06.03.10 17:59:55 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I say, lets get NH refs to blow the comp, that way we know for certain the calls aren’t biased.

  • Comment 44, posted at 06.03.10 18:05:38 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 20) : I am sure Stormers will win, they are one heck of a strong team :mrgreen:

  • Comment 45, posted at 06.03.10 18:16:42 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 39) : Is it because I am biased or because I do not pay that much attention when Sharks are not playing, but I am almost positive that if we look back at ALL games all these years, the Sharks are most certainly the team who gets the most wrong calls from the refs. Why is it always the Sharks?

  • Comment 46, posted at 06.03.10 18:20:38 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • @Charmaine (Comment 24) : I am also very proud of my team, went out wearing my Shark shirt even though they had lost, but I am at least on safe ground living in Shark territory :lol:

  • Comment 47, posted at 06.03.10 18:22:50 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • I wouldnt call Marx biased or a cheat.A fool yes and idiot yes and not worthy of the title of ref without a doubt
    If they award a penalty try for a collapsed maul going forward then a deliberate knockdown with no-one to beat also deserves a try Then also the professional foul when they went in the side of the scrum before the “obstruction” line out also needed a stronger sanction than a penalty
    The Tahs would give a way penalties cos they knew we would not go for posts
    Lets put it this way if it was another stronger ref other than Marx there would have been a yellow for the deliberate side entry and i aslo think a stronger ref-Kaplan- would have awarded a penalty try

  • Comment 48, posted at 06.03.10 18:41:47 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 48) : Yep. it sux to get shafted week in and week out, but so proud of the boys for hanging in their and not giving up, with all the odds stacked against them, they kept coming back. That’s all i want to see from my beloved Sharks, a never say die attitude.

  • Comment 49, posted at 06.03.10 18:45:52 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 48) : Well it seems we all agree on this site that the ref was an absolute disgrace. But I wonder if anyone else will take up our cause? I hope the Boots n All team will chat about it, maybe a journalist will prompt a response from the referee panel. I dunno, I’m also just so tired of seeing teams get shafted by bad decisions. In this case, us!

  • Comment 50, posted at 06.03.10 18:52:28 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 49) : interesting i have read all the other reports of the game and all except the B/S site based in cape town-wont mention their name say Markx blew the game like a monkey its nice for a change to have the sites that count come out and say it was a home town decision and the ref was useless

  • Comment 51, posted at 06.03.10 18:53:50 by Fattmann Reply
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  • Anyone else feel the improved performance and confidence shown by the Sharks is due to the fact HRE didn’t go on tour?

    It also seemed like the forwards and backs played as a team and not as two separate entities trying to show each other up

  • Comment 52, posted at 06.03.10 18:54:47 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @dawnwallenkamp (Comment 46) :

    You’re not biased you are passionate. :razz:

  • Comment 53, posted at 06.03.10 19:00:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @CapeShark (Comment 50) : @Fattmann (Comment 51) : I still contend that it’s time for the Sharks, and other teams, to take the ref. panel to court over there blatant inability to field an adequate ref. on match day.

    The franchises themselves has to do something about this, the amount of revenue they lose due to bad refereeing must be of great concern to them, it’s time for them to take this all the way.

  • Comment 54, posted at 06.03.10 19:06:17 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • This week I can be proud of the Sharks. Sure the beginning of the game was messy and scrappy but in the last quarter the boys played some rugby. They played like a team who wanted to win and if it weren’t for some really dodgy refereeing decisions the team that deserved to win would win. It is much better than that terrible performance against the Saders.

  • Comment 55, posted at 06.03.10 20:21:48 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 8) : :shock: :shock: Never heard it put like THAT before. :lol:

  • Comment 56, posted at 06.03.10 20:26:12 by klempie Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 34) : him & pommie should get the idea from sitting in the sin bin – do we need them? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 57, posted at 06.03.10 21:15:56 by rekinek Reply
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  • Marks was the best Aussie on the field. Enough said.

  • Comment 58, posted at 06.03.10 21:52:37 by Oubaas2009 Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 12) : I agree, the season is a write off, may as well give the youngsters a go and get them some Super rugby experience.

  • Comment 59, posted at 06.03.10 21:53:41 by lostfish Reply
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  • Read somewhere that the Sharks are going to ask SANZAR to ‘review’ the performance of the referee for the ‘tahs game. Wonder what will come of that.

  • Comment 60, posted at 06.03.10 23:45:44 by war1 Reply
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  • Comment 61, posted at 07.03.10 06:30:58 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 61) : Geluk,uiteindelik ñ goeie game teen ñ NZ span

  • Comment 62, posted at 07.03.10 07:00:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 60) : Not even an apology…..but hopefully I’m wrong

  • Comment 63, posted at 07.03.10 09:05:10 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Having read all the comments and watching the game, I agree you were robbed. However I also still think the Sharks are playing the wrong game, this kicking shit is not working for the Sharks, granted Plum wants them to play in the opposition half, but they never ever run with ball in hand, their first thought is kick and chase giving away possession the whole time. I would love them just to run the ball down the backline. I don’t think Riaan Swanepoel got the ball, once from a backline movement, (and he is a center, imagine how the wings feel) and until such time as the Sharks start to move the ball around, I don’t think things are going to change too much. I think the Stormers are playing the game the Sharks should be playing, use the big forwards drive it up and the quick ball down the line. My opinion and you are welcome to tear it to shreds!!

  • Comment 64, posted at 07.03.10 09:06:33 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 64) : The Sharks kicking game is rubish.

    Goode’s kicks weren’t bad though and it actually served the purpose by finding touch, Terblanche should either run or really work on his touch finders.

    Kick the ball out as close to the opposition 22 for the set piece, apply pressure and force the turnover…..basic rugby.

  • Comment 65, posted at 07.03.10 09:31:49 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 54) : I rasied a question last week and no one can answer that is what would happen if John said “thats enough the ref is determined to get a win for the other side so we are off no point in playing like this” and he took his side off as a protest against bad/biased reffing What would happen
    Its time that poor refs were banned. I take my hat off to Head of NZ refs who pulled the idiot who reffed ths sharks first game off and made him take a break and now he is running touch

  • Comment 66, posted at 07.03.10 10:07:56 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 57) : Jannie should get 6 of the best. He wants to play like a schoolboy so treat him like one. I thought Goode’s yellow was wrong However this might have been like the smit one the next infringement although i do not recall the warning. I am watching the game a second time now just to see if i missed something

  • Comment 67, posted at 07.03.10 10:12:02 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 53) : I like that!!!! :grin:

  • Comment 68, posted at 07.03.10 10:27:15 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • I really hope that someone brings up the fact that the ref/linesman/TMO are always making wrong calls with Sharks games and costing us the game many times. Ok. we have played badly but there are games in which we were close to a win and would have won if it had not been for a wrong call. And I am talking about CC and other Super14 matches, not just this year’s games. Someone has to open their mouths :!: :!:

  • Comment 69, posted at 07.03.10 10:30:26 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • Not being a bad loser here or dissing the Bulls, but they do seem to get preference, often get extra minutes, always get the right calls, etc. I sometimes think these games are actually rigged right from the beginning.

  • Comment 70, posted at 07.03.10 10:31:54 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 67) : Just watched the Goode incident in slomo John’s right Goode had one foot behind the line Marks was wrong with this yellow nothing wrong with what good did. However if he wanted to bin somebody JO Muller was offside but because Goode was easier to see Red on legs he went for Goode May have been an honest mistake

  • Comment 71, posted at 07.03.10 10:40:47 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Flashman (Comment 7) : Kankos try was not offside he was on the sharks side coming to the line out when Tahs took a quick throw he just kept running and intercepted the ball
    2 of the three commentators also said so

  • Comment 72, posted at 07.03.10 10:52:18 by Fattmann Reply
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  • I have no problem with looseing and accepting it, but this game devastated me, it was ours and we were robbed,raped, murdered and everthing else bad in life by the refs.

    There has to be some way of the refs being held accountable, preferably being put in a stock and supporters throwing yukky stuff at them. :twisted:

  • Comment 73, posted at 07.03.10 12:41:33 by Treehugger Reply

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  • That controvertial try by the W’tahs just before halftime couldve gone either way, if its was the Sharks attacking everybody would have said it was a try if it wasnt rewarded :twisted:

  • Comment 74, posted at 07.03.10 12:59:04 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • This is really difficult.

    What disappoints me is that the Sharks had the winning of this game, and 4 incidents stood out for me or 4 that I would like to compare.

    Yes we are all pissed at the ref and yes guys, refs get it wrong at times.

    So lets consider 2 refereeing incidents, the supposed penalty try and the obstruction call.

    Now although I agree both actual calls were rubbish giving a penalty try 30 meters out will be brave no matter what, and there is so much damn obstruction at lineout rolling mauls it is not even funny. So both refereeing decision carries some justification even if I do not agree with it.

    Compare this to the two yellow card incidents, one cynical, stupid move by Jannie and the other deliberate offense by Goode and then it is clear to me two incidents comes with clear intent (Sharks players incidents) and the others by the ref, at least in some way can be justified or understood…


    Reasons for the loss, I would again rather look at the team itself, although massively improved, than blame the referees…

  • Comment 75, posted at 07.03.10 13:22:08 by Morné Reply
    MornéTeam captain
  • @Morné (Comment 75) : Take Beale out of the picture, Sharks scores try in the dying minutes, and everyone would be praising them for finally having some big match temperament and regaining their killer instinct.

    Anyone will readily admit, beating the Tahs in Oz is next to impossible, fact is Sharks did exceptionally well to even come close to doing so, but then losing due to a cheat ozzie and a useless ozzie ref just ain’t right.

  • Comment 76, posted at 07.03.10 17:09:13 by FireTheLooser Reply

    FireTheLooserAssistant coach
  • @Jarson’s (X + V) (Comment 74) : Ball grounded before the line, ie not even touching the line, not even the grounding that was disputed, it never reached the try-line.

  • Comment 77, posted at 07.03.10 17:11:04 by FireTheLooser Reply

    FireTheLooserAssistant coach
  • Finally, the first of the SS studio shows backed the Sharks, unlike the first S14 game of the season where no one wanted to comment on Brown-nose, at least they’re backing us this time.

  • Comment 78, posted at 07.03.10 17:20:08 by FireTheLooser Reply

    FireTheLooserAssistant coach
  • I have an idea about all of this why not have the same system as american football where the coach can ask for a referal and the referal ref has a look through slo mo and rules on the on field refs/tmo’s decision
    the game has the technology to view that and that way incidents like we are commenting on would have to be over-ridden
    It would be the same as the system operating in cricket
    what do you guys think?

  • Comment 79, posted at 07.03.10 17:20:34 by Fattmann Reply
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    FattmannCurrie Cup player
  • @Fattmann (Comment 79) : I think they should basically take the whole ref/technology/communication system from the NFL and apply it exactly as is on rugby, the yanks have been at it a lot longer then professional rugby.

    P.S. I think if John Smit took the Sharks players of the field in protest of the ref, the Sharks would probably get a hefty fine. Same as the justice for Bakkies campaign in which the Boks were slapped with a fine by the IRB.

  • Comment 80, posted at 07.03.10 17:31:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

    FireTheLooserAssistant coach
  • We should get a ‘had the Sharks not been shafted by the refs’ log on here, just to remind everyone of what should have been yet another semi successful Sharks season.

  • Comment 81, posted at 07.03.10 17:37:13 by FireTheLooser Reply

    FireTheLooserAssistant coach
  • If anyone wants to know what went wrong with the Sharks academy:

    04 October 2005 (14:42)Sharks announced Rudolf Straeuli’s appointment and job description, this is part of it ‘…will work closely with the Sharks Academy…’…..note the date, when last have the Sharks academy produced a world class rugby player?

  • Comment 82, posted at 07.03.10 17:48:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

    FireTheLooserAssistant coach
  • @McLovin (Comment 42) : This is what I meant with the CC being bigger than the NPC…….’in the past, the NZRU has said the NPC is a loss-making competition and that’s something it accepts because it is an important development tool.’ fresh from rugby365.

    Btw, they made massive losses with the S14 in 2009 also, a deficit of $7,281,000…..that’s big, that’s real big, I bet we don’t have that problem in SA with the S14 nor the CC.

    Which leaves me to conclude that SA provincial rugby is bigger.

  • Comment 83, posted at 07.03.10 18:00:00 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 75) : Morne, I agree not nice to just blame the ref, but really buddy, the ref was out of his depth there. Everyone is saying that should have been a penalty try. Not just us but the Aussies too.

    That try given to the Tahs just before halftime too. Was never a try. Now tell me how could a TMO get that so wrong? He had access to replay that over and over to see. The ball never even got over the line. I thought it was held up by Kanko’s arm/elbow/hand. Then when it was replayed on (All Out Rugby) Garth shows on that replay that the ball was not even over the try line. They highlighted it. Now maybe a ref could get that wrong by NEVER a TMO that can relook several times at the replay. That is simply not good enough. We go really screwed.

    Yes we could have won it without the bad reffing. I agree but bad reffing like that something has to be done about it. Imagine if that was Stormers and they had to win that game to make a semi and got screwed like that? Really mate something must be done. I understand just how bad the kiwis felt with that forward pass the reff never saw in the world cup.

  • Comment 84, posted at 07.03.10 20:50:20 by Puma Reply

    PumaCurrie Cup player
  • Proud?

    They only bothered playing for about 10 minutes once they had little chance of winning. Rubbish for a whole half.

    4 losses for 3 tries. Lowest try scored total, just 65 points scored, only a couple of points better than the Landers and Force. 104 points conceded, which is the 8th best defence. 6 tries conceded which is the 6th best.

    The Sharks have given up 17 points to opposition teams. Only the Lions are worse giving up 18 points. We’re a milking cow.

    Worst thing was the Tahs were playing poorly also. They still managed to lose.

    Ref seems substandard. But only shit teams lose close matches because of the ref and only desperate fans/teams blame the ref rather than their own side. The team themselves are not taking responsibility, especially for playing poorly for most of the match, instead blaming the ref. Consigns us to more shit performances and another loss next week.

    At least they seemed to vaguely care about the outcome, yay a basic prerequisite for a functioning team that should be taken for granted.

    Proud of nothing much, they’re kak.

  • Comment 85, posted at 08.03.10 01:24:14 by Os Reply

    Under 19 player
  • I have to play devils advocate here ,true the ref was crap and sure this was an improvement from the other performances but this was far from a good performance ,Lets keep things in perspective the ref made bad calls these things happen to every team this match still needs to have been won ,the waraths are rebuilding and this sharks teams been together for how many years and people can critise me but come on we happy about nearly beating sides now ,All this shows is how bad the sharks have been playing.they might as well give the youngsters a go there not playing for anything anymore give them the right amounts of exposure

  • Comment 86, posted at 08.03.10 01:34:33 by zvision10 Reply

    zvision10Under 21 player
  • I certainly pity you lot, especially those that somehow feels proud of such a piss poor performance.

    The Sharks looks like an uncoached side. They cannot even organize a pick and drive. Might as well fire Plumtree and continue the tour without a coach. I don’t think anybody would notice the difference.

  • Comment 87, posted at 08.03.10 04:08:33 by fyndraai Reply
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    fyndraaiTeam captain
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 80) : Let me just provide some factual information about the “replay” system used by officials in the NFL (Gridiron). First, there are 7 on field officials, with the referee being the final authority. Any official can call a foul by throwing the “flag” but the referee decides if a penalty is to be awarded. In the case of a replay, the referee goes to the sideline and there is a little booth he sticks his head in to look at the replay and then makes a decision one way or the other. So remember, same official makes the decision on the field AND with the replay, there are no other officials in play at that point. In the NFL each coach has two chances per half to challenge a call. If they challenge, the SAME OFFICIAL that made the decision, reviews the play on the sideline and determines whether there is enough evidence to OVERRULE HIMSELF. Again, there is no other official involved. If the coach challenges and loses, his team is charged a timeout (each team is given 3 timeouts per half).

    In addition, replay in Gridiron has not been in use much longer than in Rugby, and it is still hotly debated. There are many that believe there should be no replay available at all. It is a mess and can often take a very long time to review. Personally, I have found the rugby system with the TMO to be really effective. Unfortunately there still has to be an ultimate authority on the field (the referee) and if the ref is biased or a cheat, no instant replay even with a TMO can change that. After all, the ref has to ask for the replay. Personally I liked the system trialed in the Vodacom Cup a couple of years ago, where a team can request a TMO replay for any event on the field at the next stoppage, and can do this twice in the game. Problem on Saturday is even if we could have referred it to the TMO (the penalty try) it is highly unlikely the biased Aussie TMO is going to overrule the biased Aussie referee.

  • Comment 88, posted at 08.03.10 04:36:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 87) : Easy fyndraai, no need to kick us while we are down. We have had little to cheer about this year, so even small improvements are grasped with open arms and glee. We have had quite a good run for a few years on the Super 14, which makes it even harder for us supporters. Not sure what you gain by kicking your fellow rugby lovers when they are down.

  • Comment 89, posted at 08.03.10 04:41:02 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 87) :

    I agree fyndraai.
    The Waratahs were actually quite average and it says a lot about the Sharks’ inability to put them away.

    There were times when I wondered if these players (Smit, Ruan, JP, Odwa and Muller) were in fact Springboks cos they were very average!!! :shock:

  • Comment 90, posted at 08.03.10 07:11:35 by wpw Reply
    wpwAssistant coach
  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 89) :
    The kicked was aimed at the coach mostly.

  • Comment 91, posted at 08.03.10 23:59:26 by fyndraai Reply
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