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Bissie and boet linked to Rebels


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 8 Mar 2010 at 11:35
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An article in The Australian newspaper on Saturday has suggested that Sharks and Bok front row duo, Bismarck and Jannie du Plessis, may be eyeing a move to the Melbourne Rebels ahead of the 2011 Super 15.

The paper claims that the pair tried to negotiate a package deal with the Western Force some time ago, but were unable to seal the deal, due to Australia’s foreign player restrictions meaning that the team could never field both players (neither being eligible for Wallaby selection). Jannie’s desire to move to Australia to further his medical career would apparently be a strong motivating factor and since we know that playing together is a strong motivator for the brothers, Melbourne might make an ideal destination.

The Rebels have been given a special dispensation to field up to 10 foreign players next year, in the interests of assembling a competitive team quickly.

Now, it’s hardly news to anybody that the Dup brothers aren’t exactly loving their time in Durban. Their dream of forming a regular starting partnership for the Sharks (adnd I guess the Boks too) took somewhat of a nosedive when John Smit returned to Durban in 2008 and while the latter was used mainly off the bench at first, his elevation to squad captain this year seems to have been the last straw for Bismarck and his brother. Fact is, wherever Smit plays, be it hooker or tighthead, he’s going to be doing one of the brothers out of a starting spot.

If rumours are to be believed, the pair exhausted virtually every other option before resigning with the Sharks late last year. The Bulls were initially interested, but pulled out later – perhaps as a result of the notoriously tricky temperaments involved. The Australian article links the duo to the Lions as well, but we’ve been lead to believe that Dick Muir is not really keen on having the brothers in his squad either. Their reputation for being disruptive to team morale seems pretty far reaching – whether it’s true or not.

Sharks fans will be in two minds about this latest development. Based on current form, while I’m sure there aren’t too many who’s be sad to see Jannie move on, Bismarck would be a huge loss. The young man was simply immense against the Waratahs. If only there were some way to split the two without causing fallout of truly atomic proportions…



68 Comments

  • Great news! Leave them right there so the boeties can sommer save on air tickets!!

    Things are looking up!

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.03.10 11:40:43 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 1) : Careful what you hope for it might just come true.

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.03.10 11:45:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Jannie Dup has got to be one of the most overrated props to ever play for SA.

    He has ONE good season in 2005 while at the Cheetahs but since then he has not done much imho.

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.03.10 11:47:10 by wpw Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 2) : Promise? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.03.10 11:49:05 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 3) : yeah – if you saw the way Wiehahn Herbst murdered the WP front row on Saturday, you’d reckon Jannie’s days are numbered anyway. Besides, we’ll have BJ back in 2011 too

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.03.10 11:49:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • Cheers, im willing to lose Bismark if Jannie goes.Cant believe im saying it but Jannie really pissed me off on saturday.

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.03.10 11:49:45 by billy Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) :

    Dude, he was up against JD Moller!!

    Now I’m not saying he aint good but for goodness sake JD is shite!!! :lol:

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.03.10 11:51:08 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 7) : umm… actually, it was Pat who killed Moller.

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.03.10 11:51:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : BL comment legit? Confirmed?

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.03.10 11:52:47 by billy Reply

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  • @billy (Comment 9) : Sorry, make theat BJ. Morning.

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.03.10 11:53:28 by billy Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 7) : Rob is right. Herbst looks like he has what it takes.

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.03.10 11:57:37 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @billy (Comment 10) : WTF? I cant type today!

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.03.10 11:57:57 by billy Reply

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  • @billy (Comment 10) : Don`t get too excited. Remember Snorre would put him on compulsory rest for the bokke as soon as he gets here, so The Sharks would pay him and probably organise nice digs for him but we won`t get to use him much.
    Carstens, Burden and Cilliers would be our CC front row. You read it here first !

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.03.10 11:58:14 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) :

    I thought Pat was a tight head.

    Oh dear, I’m beginning to sound like Dawie!! :lol:

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.03.10 11:59:31 by wpw Reply
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  • With Pat Cilliers starting to play some good rugby again, Herbst coming through, the Beast at his best, Carstens, and the likelyhood that we’ll get BJ back nobody will miss Doctor Doolittle.

    His boet is a different story altogether. Losing Bismarck will be a big blow – best hooker in the world by far.

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.03.10 11:59:46 by rhineshark Reply
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  • The only grain of fact in the above article refers to the article in the Aussie newspaper, the rest is conjecture and flies in the face of what Bismark said in an interview with Rapport. This was posted here previously.

    What happened to not getting personal with players, that was the flavour of last week.

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.03.10 12:01:55 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Bissy is he best 2 in the world….and his loss will be felt acutely by sharks. Cilliers and Herbst were fantastic against WP….i was there and kept thinking to myself that what the hell were those 2 doing in Cape Town….should have been in Sydney!

    Get Herbst over now!!

    Anyway….2011 will be a new look sharks team….Terblanche…muller…kockitt …dup brothers gone…maybe ruan pienaar as well….

    Winds of change.

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.03.10 12:03:08 by grant10 Reply

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  • @billy (Comment 9) : no, not confirmed. But I’m pretty sure it will happen.

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.03.10 12:05:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • on a serious note…..Bissy must start against Brumbies….perhaps rest Smit or play him off the bench….such a pity Herbst not over there ….would like to see him against some super 14 loosehead props…

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.03.10 12:05:59 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 16) : what’s personal here? You think I’m making this stuff up about the brothers being difficult to accommodate in a team environment?

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.03.10 12:06:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • and thats not anti smit….thats just based on the sharks looking at there best from the 56th minute !

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.03.10 12:07:10 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 17) : Maybe then Lambie can get a start!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.03.10 12:07:21 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • I don’t care much for Jannie but Bis would be a huge loss. I’m also starting to doubt whether Smit’s captaincy is worth keeping Bissie out the team.

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.03.10 12:07:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 22) : i would start him anyway….may as well blood the kid now….he will swim…too good to sink.

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.03.10 12:08:54 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 19) : I actually agree with you for once. I’d stand John down for the next game. Then again, I wouldn’t play Joe either because he looks a little disinterested at the moment. Stef for skipper?

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.03.10 12:09:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 23) : AAAHHH…bloggers starting to think with there heads as opposed to there hearts!
    You are 100% right. For me its a no brainer….Beast…bissy and Carstens/ JDP….Smit off bench.

    When back from tour….have a look at Herbst.

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.03.10 12:11:10 by grant10 Reply

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  • JP also very disinterested……

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.03.10 12:12:57 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 23) : Bis is a huge loss, but at the end of the day I’d rather have a good team player than a great individual. Sharks rugby is crying out for team players, there’s been too many egos for a while now…

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.03.10 12:14:04 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : Hi Rob….just know that whatever i comment comes from a good place….i try to be constructive, but honest….always.

    Yes…Sykes and Steenkamp…..

    terblanche the armband.

    That loose trio needs a proper think through….i am disinclined to start without either botes or Daniels….G Smith may make life unpleasant…. But …if you guys start with Bissy…may be worthwhile to attempt the Deysel,Kanko, Alberts option….[ cant believe i said that ].

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.03.10 12:15:37 by grant10 Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : Muller was really disappointing. Not only because he dropped the first kick-off the match and incurred a penalty straight away (talk about setting the tone) but his body language wasn’t great either…

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.03.10 12:15:43 by CapeShark Reply
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  • A bit of the Dup brothers topic…. We desperately need wings in that team. We need wings to score tries. I will most definately play zuks and mvovo.

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.03.10 12:15:49 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) :
    You make them out to be money hungry whores, who throw tantrums whenever things dont go their way.
    I dont know that this is true, and as long as the words “if rumours are to believed” are placed throughout the article its hard to believe (unless you want to believe it)
    Let the people who make the statements have the guts to allow themselves to be named because they certainly dont have any qualm about talking about putting someone else in a bad light.

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.03.10 12:16:18 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 27) : JP is playing with no confidence, he’d do better under Dick Muir who’d encourage him more to run.

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.03.10 12:17:24 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 31) : kind of amazing that, in a year when we’re told competition for places will be fierce, guys like Mvovs and Lambie can’t get a look in…

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.03.10 12:17:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 32) : agree :!:

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.03.10 12:17:37 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @CapeShark (Comment 28) : We don’t really have proof of this unless you do?? Bissie has really been disciplined the last couple of games, maybe it can rub off on Jannie. The Sharks has lost some really great players in the last couple of years and wishing the Dup brothers away is NOT in the Sharks best interest.

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.03.10 12:17:52 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 33) : He had three or four opportunities with the ball, but absolutely nothing, not one hint of the Springbok player came from him.

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.03.10 12:19:26 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • my team for sat….

    S Terlanche [ capitano ]
    14 JPP [ON THIN ICE ]
    13 adi
    12 swanepoel
    11 odwa
    10 goode
    9 kockitt
    8 kanko
    7 alberts
    6 botes
    5 w steenkamp
    4 Sykes
    3 jdp
    2 bissy
    1 beast
    16carstens
    17 smit
    18muller
    19deysel
    20 ruan
    21 murray
    22 mvovo

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.03.10 12:19:41 by grant10 Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : he said his preference would be Durban for family reasons but he wouldn’t rule out a move to another province.

    The Rebels can have Jannie for free as far as I am concerned all he is good for is giving away penalties.

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.03.10 12:22:49 by lostfish Reply
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  • anyway…..not good to be losing players…..something not right there. I hate to raise issue but Smit to Lions as captain would have seen off a lot of these problems….but water under the bridge. As long as Bissy is available for WC 2011 !!

    Cheers all….very unfortunate Sat….was good to see glimpses of the sharks we all know and respect.

    outta here

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.03.10 12:23:01 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 32) : Salmo, you expect me to list every person that has repeated the “DuP prima donna” allegations to me? Dude, I’ve had this come up from 10 or more sources. Shit, you don’t need to be a statistical genius to deduce that there has to be some grain of truth…

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.03.10 12:26:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • If Bis and Jannie do go it can be seen as a blessing in disguise!!! John is for sure better at 2 than at 3. If john captains world cup side the only place he can play is 2, if we don’t want to get scrummed. Bj or wp nel have to be our two best options at tighthead if we want a solid scrum at the world cup. Jannie scrums average, gives away a shit load of penalties and can’t catch or pass to save his life. I am sorry, but the truth hurts. Burden offers alot coming off the bench and cooper is a man for the future. Herbst scrums way better than jannie anyway. I hope they do leave to be honest, it will finally allow us to name the same front row every week. But, while they are still here we should still support them as usual. Anyone in the black and white deserves to be supported.

    Weekend Preview Sharks:

    Would keep same starting line-up and maybe rotate two. Deysel in for Alberts, Beast in for Deon. To be honest i might even put Kockett back at scrummie, Ruan is not mentally right at the moment, he does not know what to do!! Goode played well when we had front foot ball and he kicked us into some really good positions, but mainly he makes very little stupid mistakes. I would expect an improvement from last week even tough we should have won; brumbies also looked seriously flat against the lions. I think the Sharks once again have a good chance to start winning this weekend. We must just go and take it! Gooo Sharks.

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.03.10 12:38:30 by JJR Reply
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  • Muller also looks tired, maybe Alberts at lock to make room for Deysel won’t be bad. Wilhelm looks good at lineout time, but i am not sure if he really offers much else; lets wait and see.

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.03.10 12:44:22 by JJR Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) :
    Just one will do?

    The fact is there is so much written here that is based on rumour, be it regarding Plum, Strauelli, the Dups, van Zyl, team happiness, team unhappiness that these are picked up and posted as fact all around cyberspace and no matter how you look at it a rumour remains a rumour until proven otherwise.

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.03.10 12:45:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 44) : what makes a rumour become fact? I am always very clear to point out when something is a rumour. And expecting me to reveal sources is a little naive.

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.03.10 12:58:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 44) : here’s a quote from a chat on facebook… received in the last minute from a guy who is good friends with a number of Sharks XV players.

    “Won’t be sad to see Jannie go. Have heard he’s not the best team man”

    Got to get your head out of the sand on this one, Salmo.

  • Comment 46, posted at 08.03.10 13:08:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • Gotta say – I know Bismark can be a great player (I have defended him too many times to count)but the petulant behaviour of both brothers is evident on the field…it seems that they take it in turns to see who can get a yellow card. Really! as if the team isn’t struggling enough as it is, or as if the fans haven’t had their hearts broken enough yet….Our boys have more class and skill than to deliberately shoulder charge or trip the other guys up.

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.03.10 13:09:09 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • I know you wont reveal sources, but maybe you and your sources should take a step back and think of what the words “if rumours are to believed” in many articles is doing to the team dynamic.
    The du Plessis’ must feel like aliens in a team of snithces.

  • Comment 48, posted at 08.03.10 13:14:11 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 48) : Don’t need to have a team of snitches to see the obvious.

  • Comment 49, posted at 08.03.10 13:17:27 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) :
    C’mon, look at it – friends of the Sharks 15 players, note not Sharks S14 players and he has heard that…. OK so some guy that went to Michaelhouse who has a few mates in the Sharks 15 side says so.

    Rob what you are saying is probably true, although I have also read otherwise. Maybe I just like things to be in black and white.

  • Comment 50, posted at 08.03.10 13:27:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 49) :
    What exactly have you seen that says that the brothers are money chasing, disruptive influences…..I havent seen it but am open to factual evidence.

  • Comment 51, posted at 08.03.10 13:29:56 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 50) : look, there’s no doubt that it is always better to deal in facts than speculation. Reality is, though, that facts are thin on the ground, while conjecture is rife. We can choose to ignore everything that isn’t completely cast in stone, but in that case, we’ll be posting at most one article every three days and the site will soon die. Meanwhile, the conjecture, rumours and opinions will simply be aired elsewhere.

    I guess it all depends on what you expect this place to be.

  • Comment 52, posted at 08.03.10 13:43:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • I remember all the rumours taken as fact that BJ Botha signed to go overseas when Jannie arrived apparently because he didn’t want the competition. Apparently they hated themselves.

    A souce close to the team told me this was utter bull and that they got along just fine.

    So I take any rumours with a pinch of salt.

    Players on the sidelines or periphery always have an axe to grind because they are not getting a chance to play.

  • Comment 53, posted at 08.03.10 13:46:51 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : Rob Please fix the heading…who the hell is Bisie anyway? ;-)

  • Comment 54, posted at 08.03.10 13:47:11 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 53) : “Hated each other” I meant.

  • Comment 55, posted at 08.03.10 13:48:14 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 54) : thanks – good catch

  • Comment 56, posted at 08.03.10 14:04:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • I don’t really care if anyone likes or dislikes Jannie on a personal or professional level. I don’t like him because he is a kak prop and not only is he a kak prop but he gives away penalities left, right and centre and doesn’t really make any telling contributions.

    I don’t care if he is a decent guy, someone just get him out of the Sharks and free up his over paid wage to contract someone else.

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  • @lostfish (Comment 57) : hey – you got a star! Well done

  • Comment 58, posted at 08.03.10 14:27:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 58) : Thanks, I have been trying…

  • Comment 59, posted at 08.03.10 14:32:14 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 59) : keep going. The second one is not too hard to get either.

    It’s from 3 on that it gets really tough :)

  • Comment 60, posted at 08.03.10 14:54:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • Okay, Jannie ‘the wet brick’ du Plessis must go, Bis should stay, but if we can’t keep one, then neither should stay.

    All the good that Bis does is undone by Jannie….is it then realy worth keeping them? They seem to cancel each other out.

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 61) : Ek sien jy is terug :grin:

  • Comment 62, posted at 08.03.10 15:29:35 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 62) : Ek het besluit Saterdag se game was ‘n wen vir die Sharks en dus is my sabbatical/silent protest nou tot ‘n einde. yahooooo!

  • Comment 63, posted at 08.03.10 15:42:52 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I’m going to throw the cat amongst the pigeons…sell Jannie, if Bis wants to go so let it be, and I think its high time Pienaar goes (Probably be better for him and for us), get someone in there is hard enough to miss and kick and get over it, I’m sick and tired to sit at home and watch him take the first pass, first kick at goal or first kick out of his hands at shit myself because if mucks it up, there’s he’s game over. Craig Davidson never moaned…Butch never moaned. Lets right the comp off and build for next year. Give Pat some game time, not much, but lets see, hell why don’t we put Jacobs in at 10. Lets at least make this disaster recoverable.

  • Comment 64, posted at 08.03.10 15:55:52 by Tintin Reply

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  • The two DuP’s are real rebels in the Sharks setup. Let them then become real Rebels.

  • Comment 65, posted at 08.03.10 17:30:18 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • Well I did here the Aussie commentators saying that the Dup Brothers could be playing for the Rebels next year. I personally think they will go. Especially giving them both a permit to live in Oz together. Probably that is the biggest motivation more than anything else. Good luck to both of them.

  • Comment 66, posted at 08.03.10 20:33:05 by Puma Reply

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  • This package deal business from these two (if true) is ridiculous. :roll: :evil:

  • Comment 67, posted at 08.03.10 21:07:59 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 67) : A bit lame, typical Vrystaters. I never could understand why the Sharks got Jannie, the package deal thing has cleared that up for me.

    If they go, we’ll at least have one less useless doctor to worry about. :twisted:

  • Comment 68, posted at 08.03.10 21:37:29 by FireTheLooser Reply

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