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Three more years of Plum


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 30 Mar 2010 at 10:28
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Sharksworld has been lead to believe that John Plumtree has signed a three-year extension to his Sharks coaching contract, thus ending any speculation about his immediate future.

Things weren’t looking particularly rosy for the Kiwi earlier in the season, with talk that he might be shown the door if he didn’t manage to arrest an horrific sequence of defeats. The Sharks, to Plumtree’s credit, have managed to turn things around in the last two weeks though, winning back to back clashes in New Zealand and although still destined to deliver a disappointing final log position in a year when we expected them to be real contenders, it would be downright mean-spirited to ignore the clear signs of progress.

Plumtree will apparently take time off during the Currie Cup and it is to be hoped that some fresh faces, both in personnel and coaching staff, might be just the thing needed to bring at least that trophy back to ABSA stadium. Plum will apparently spend the time working on some of his own shortcomings and I really hope that come 2015, we see a revitalised John Plumtree lead an invigorated (and rejuvenated) squad in a big challenge for the inaugural Super 15 title.

Good luck, Plum. We’ll back you, but you need to show us that you can learn and adapt. Back the young players, because they are the future. No more conservative nonsense, because it doesn’t work and it isn’t the way the Sharks play rugby. Be brave and take some risks once in a while – you know you can do it! Just look at hoe well the Lambie gamble paid off…



55 Comments

  • Good, I don’t like the idea of changing coaches just when things gets a little tough.

  • Comment 1, posted at 30.03.10 10:32:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • Plum will apparently spend the time working on some of his own shortcomings

    You cannot ask for more than that.

    I have maintained this guy is an excellent coach, but it was in the capacity of head honcho I had my doubts on him and if he goes ahead and improves his abilities to take on this role more successfully, one can only wish him the best of luck.

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.03.10 10:47:32 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 2) : I agree, I could live with Plum. I do think he needs a good attacking coach and should perhaps have a good ‘man’ manager. And while we at it throw in a good kopdokter as well.

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.03.10 10:59:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • there was speculation on another site that the Maties head coach was approached by the Sharks. Would be brilliant if we could sign him. Many “know how`s” in the province region rate him quite well. and his got one thing backing him up on his CV – RESULTS!!!

    wonder if rob can confirm something of this sort? it was also said that it could be his last Maties game, after which he should accept the Sharks offer…

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.03.10 11:05:37 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 4) : Chean Roux? Haven’t heard anything about it and it would be a real slap in the face for someone like Sean Everett if he did come in. I am pretty sure he’d be lined up as Currie Cup head coach, if anything.

    Which site did you see this on? Voldy?

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.03.10 11:21:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • Good to read that. Need to stick with Plum, he is a good coach and changing coaches now will only put us even further back.

    Agree with Rob, Plum needs to be brave and start playing our youngsters. They are our future too.

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.03.10 11:23:57 by Puma Reply

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  • Sorry if I am posting this twice.

    Rob, just read on News24 and RT that Goode will probably be with us for the rest of the S14 tourney. Looks like Sharks will give him a contract until the end of S14. If that is the case think they may have sorted out his permit. From what I read we should know about that today.

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.03.10 11:31:49 by Puma Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : on suparugby. I cant remember the heading of the article, but i think it was afrikaans and it was about “afskeid” or something like that. will go have a look and come back to you.

  • Comment 8, posted at 30.03.10 11:36:54 by VanWilder Reply

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  • GO SHARKS :!: :!:

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.03.10 11:39:38 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : This funny as I made a joke about it the other day :mrgreen: I didnt even know his name then.

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.03.10 11:42:03 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 9) : i take that article with a healthy dose of scepticism

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.03.10 11:50:38 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 12) : me too. i`ve heard about the rumour about two weeks ago. but its the first time there is an article about it. maybe its a plan to get some of that western cape youngsters to the Sharks?

    @robdylan (Comment 5) : and its not a sure thing that he would be lined up for Currie cup (to me, it also make sence for him to take over at currie cup level), but maybe he could be used as a forwards or backs coach?

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.03.10 12:02:55 by VanWilder Reply

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  • great, more lean years for the sharks

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.03.10 12:07:12 by Megatron Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 13) : i would still have everitt as head coach, possibly focusing on the backs as well ( i hear he is more of a backs coach, tho not sure) roux would probably coach the forwards ( he did play 8th man for the stormers/wp) so it is remotely possible that he could be used, but then probably in an assistant coach role.

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.03.10 12:09:16 by war1 Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 13) : but, we will have to see what happens, i for one am not holding my breath,

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.03.10 12:10:29 by war1 Reply
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  • Two rumours, both quite strong – Chean Roux and John Mitchell…

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.03.10 12:11:50 by Morné Reply
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  • Remember, Chean married a Durban girl…

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.03.10 12:12:20 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 17) : two guys who played in the forwards as well, maybe we should start a rumour about todd louden? ;-) What has led you to believe the rumours are both strong?

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.03.10 12:14:49 by war1 Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 13) : maybe as a forwards coach for the Currie Cup, while Plum is on sabbatical… could work. With Everitt as head coach and Reece as backline coach?

  • Comment 20, posted at 30.03.10 12:18:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 19) :

    The source mate, the source.

  • Comment 21, posted at 30.03.10 12:19:04 by Morné Reply
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  • just been told by someone who knows Chean that the rumour is false

  • Comment 22, posted at 30.03.10 12:21:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 21) : aah, but surely they would not both be approached

  • Comment 23, posted at 30.03.10 12:22:21 by war1 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) :

    I am waiting for a similar confirmation ;)

  • Comment 24, posted at 30.03.10 12:23:46 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : i like the idea… just not reece at the backs. dont know what other options we have at backline coach, but just not reece. i think the idea is to use Chean as the Stormers are using Proudfoot. i dont think Mitchell will come to the sharks. he would not settle for anything less than head coach, or DOR. if we scoop Chean, it could help us bring through some youngster from that region and from our academy. (as i believe Chean has a talent of working with youngsters) Just my opinion.

  • Comment 25, posted at 30.03.10 12:24:10 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : the mitchell rumour also does not make a lot of sense, unless he is being approached to take over from plum for the currie cup only, because as of now mitch still has a contract at the force

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.03.10 12:26:04 by war1 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : ag no man!! :x maybe he will end up at the Bulls then…

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.03.10 12:27:18 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 25) : you mean like jean stemmet? ;-)

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.03.10 12:27:41 by war1 Reply
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  • chatting about varsity cup – the flyhalf and two centres of the Maties played well, and on the ikey side that gagiano lad played out of his skin. all and all good rugby played by both sides!

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.03.10 12:31:12 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 28) : no, more in the lines of Juan de Jongh… ;-)

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.03.10 12:32:53 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 29) : do you know JJ Gagiano has played test rugby for the USA? seems like a weird situation to me

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.03.10 12:33:54 by war1 Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 30) : im not sure juan de jongh would have been given the chance at the sharks that he has been given at the stormers, i think stemmet needs his chance as well, like this weekend!

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.03.10 12:35:27 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 31) : jip, how did that happen? has he got family in the States? But he really stood out in the Ikey setup.

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.03.10 12:36:14 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 32) : havent seen much of stemmett. u rate him??

  • Comment 34, posted at 30.03.10 12:36:56 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : hey rob, i saw on the bench for the Lions VC side there was a certain Warren Whiteley (if i remember correctly). Didnt he play junior rugby for us?

  • Comment 35, posted at 30.03.10 12:39:56 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 35) : he did indeed. Dick poached him, along with countless others.

  • Comment 36, posted at 30.03.10 12:45:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 33) : not sure, will need to do some research
    @VanWilder (Comment 34) : I’ve heard good things about him, he is playing for the sharks xv and they dont get enough tv coverage, either way he was brought to the sharks as an up and coming centre who did not get game time at province, we need to give him a go

  • Comment 37, posted at 30.03.10 12:46:35 by war1 Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 33) : http://sport.iafrica.com/rugby/news/1271360.htm apparently he qualifies through his mom

  • Comment 38, posted at 30.03.10 13:38:12 by war1 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : He was highly rated wasnt he? Who else did dick poach?

    @war1 (Comment 37) : stemmet was really a good player et the varsity cup, hope he can kick on that form at currie cup level, but i`m with you 100%. No need in buying and breeding young talent if you are not going to use it. (i put Len Olivier in that bracket)

    @war1 (Comment 38) : thanks for that. wonder if he will represent them again at the world cup next year. with todd clever alongside him at flank i think it could be a pretty good loose trio for the states.

  • Comment 39, posted at 30.03.10 14:11:05 by VanWilder Reply

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  • well if he is here and it looks like it :smile: i dame hope he makes the right choices bring in our young guys and do some good coaching for a change :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 30.03.10 15:15:19 by Chaz Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 39) : Alex Kock, Nqubeko Zulu… those are the names off the top of my head. There are probably lots of others

  • Comment 41, posted at 30.03.10 15:16:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 34) : hope jean stemmet gets some gametime on tv ,only saw him play once this year ( vc sharks xv vs wp)..think he is a good attacking prospect in the centre .. but we need a backline coach asap !!!!! otherwise we will continue to mention names of academy players or newly-signed players and say they can deliver the goods ..and then, when they look inept through no fault of their own ,but rather bad backline coaching ,then we start mentioning new names .. get the best available backline coach at the money available to contract him ..

  • Comment 42, posted at 30.03.10 16:09:38 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 24) : think getting chean roux involved at the sharks would be great !! maybe he can also help pmb varsity get into the varity cup -and be competitive also ..

  • Comment 43, posted at 30.03.10 16:14:07 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 42) : You’re on the money there. Our backline still looks quite poor for the players involved. All lateral chuck it down the line, very little movement, angles, set moves, dummy runners.

    Still not convinced by Plumtree as a head coach. Lambie is only playing because Odwa got injured, not because he suddenly wasn’t conservative in selection. Stefan is starting past Mvovo on the wing, which I’m not sure about. Multiple combinations in the side have changed since the start of the season, somehow they stumbled onto this team, mainly through injuries and a desperation to win.

    Happy with the wins, can’t say I’m that happy with Plumtree still being there in 2012. They’re just playing about as well as they should, nothing special and not more than the sum of the parts.

  • Comment 44, posted at 31.03.10 00:45:54 by Os Reply

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  • @Os (Comment 44) : I don’t think it’s fair to say Plumtree just stumbled upon his combinations…yes Goode, was brought in very suddenly, but he wanted to play Ruan at 9 from the start of the season, so that was no accident.
    And Lambie might have been pushed into the game a little earlier than it would have happened without Odwa’s injury, but there were several other players that Plumtree could have put in that position and he didn’t. Waylon or Mvovo could have been brought in on the wing, yet he played the youngster who, I might add, never played any super rugby before that match. I would say it was quiet a leap of faith from Plumtree. He took the player on tour and used him first opportunity he was needed.

  • Comment 45, posted at 31.03.10 07:39:35 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 45) : Also, I believe, Plumtree really wants to turn Lambie into a 10 for the Sharks. Otherwise he would not have bought cover for Stefan. Ludik is a quality 15, and it would be very disappointing if the Sharks didn’t give him game time as soon as he became fit.

  • Comment 46, posted at 31.03.10 07:41:26 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Os (Comment 44) : He did stumble upon the John Smit, Bissie, Jannie combination…I’ll give you that one, but then again, no one called that one before it happened. I think we were all pleasantly surprised at how well John fit into that role.

  • Comment 47, posted at 31.03.10 07:43:12 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 45) : Maybe Plumtree will stumble upon another good combination. This time in the midfield, where things have been looking pretty stale for the Sharks since first Barritt and then Steyn’jie left.

  • Comment 48, posted at 31.03.10 07:45:12 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Os (Comment 44) : BTW, I’m sticking up for Plumtree, because I think you were a little harsh, but I don’t think he’s an excellent coach. With the amount of world class players in the team, he should have been able to do more. There is some huge shortcomings that has been there since even Muir’s days and Plumtree hasn’t been able to make any improvements on those areas…in fact when the Sharks were struggling those Shortcomings was just magnified.

    I still think it’s a good thing that he will be staying for another three years, since I believe continuity in any sport could be just as important as all other aspects of the game. Plumtree hasn’t been horrible and he has done some good things in these past few years. Like give us our first CC trophy in 12 years. That has to count for something, even when it was just after Muir left, by then he was coaching the CC team for a while already, I can’t remember how long… from 07 or 06???

    He’s been doing a pretty decent job and if we find a replacement for him it could be much, much worse.

  • Comment 49, posted at 31.03.10 08:07:33 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 49) : “when the Sharks were struggling”… maybe I shouldn’t use that in the past tense so soon after the Sharks got a couple of wins. It seems like we turned it around, but there is still a long way to go…, at least some of the struggling was caused by bad refs and hopefully that won’t be an issue again this year.

  • Comment 50, posted at 31.03.10 08:12:42 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 50) : …but it probably will, won’t it.

  • Comment 51, posted at 31.03.10 08:13:22 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 51) : I’m have a conversation with myself and actually enjoying it quiet a bit. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 52, posted at 31.03.10 08:14:07 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 52) : I think Plum is OK but needs assistance in the attack department

  • Comment 53, posted at 31.03.10 08:25:13 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 53) : Yes it does seem like he is lost when it comes to attack, especially set moves, which when used well is very important to find some gaps in the field and get over the advantage line.

  • Comment 54, posted at 31.03.10 08:31:07 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) : Morning all… Rob, i had a chat with Berndt Teisenger (Spelling), and a real nice guy i might add, he was at the sharks, a young centre, but now playing with the Leopards. His brother is still at the Sharks, 8th man. Cant remember his name. i know we had a chat about him about a season or 2 ago, as he received a senior contract at the sharks directly out of Grey College. According to his brother, he still has a contract with the sharks, but was injured for nearly the full period. Dont you have any contact on how long the lad will still be out and is he still in contention for the seniors?

    his brother playing for the leopards now said that it was real fun to play at the sharks, and that it is a real top class union to play for, but most of the young guys left because in recent years it is so difficult to break into the senior setup. Now that worried me. thats not the message u want to send out to young talent looking for a junior contract at some union.

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