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Is there trouble in the near future for the Lions & Cheetahs?

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Cheetahs, In the news, Lions, Super 14 on 19 Apr 2010 at 17:09
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The Southern Kings franchise remains determined to bring Super Rugby to the Eastern and Southern Cape from 2011.

In a strongly worded statement released on Monday, the Southern Kings have called on the South African Rugby Union (SARU) to cease what they call “stalling tactics”.

Rugby 365 reports that the Presidents of the three provinces that comprise the Southern Kings – Cheeky Watson of the Eastern Province Rugby Union, Bantu Ondala, Acting President of the Border Rugby Union, and Hennie Baartman of the South Western Districts Rugby Union – met in Port Elizabeth on Sunday to reaffirm their commitment to making Super Rugby participation a reality in the region from 2011.

The meeting discussed a number of issues that remain critical to the Southern Kings participation in the Super 15 competition from 2011.

“The three partner Unions have reiterated that the franchise is ready to participate in the SANZAR Super 15 tournament from 2011,” said Southern Kings CEO Stephan Pretorius.

“The meeting expressed concern at the apparent stalling tactics employed by SARU since 2005, which seek to delay the franchise’s entry into Super Rugby until the 2013 season,” Pretorius said.

A statement released by Pretorius on Monday says that in 2009 the SARU leadership indicated that the Southern Kings would participate in Super Rugby from 2011 but that as recently as January this year, SARU changed its position, stating that the Southern Kings could play from 2012. The latest SARU position, according to Pretorius, is that the Southern Kings must be prepared for participation from 2013.

The Southern Kings leadership agreed that this was a delaying tactic by SARU in the hope that Super Rugby was expanded to 18 teams in 2013, which would allow for a sixth South African franchise.

The Southern Kings statement states that their leadership finds this situation unacceptable and believes it to be detrimental to rugby, not only in the Southern Kings region, but in South Africa. They said this was specifically in relation to the creation of opportunities for black players and broadening the support base for the game.

The Kings statement continues:

“When the Southern Kings submitted a bid to SANZAR in September 2009 – to be included in the expanded Super 15 tournament – the franchise proved beyond doubt, and to the satisfaction of SARU and SANZAR that it would be ready to participate from 2011. The meeting on Sunday confirmed that nothing had changed since the submission of that bid document and that the franchise remained convinced that it would be ready by the start of the 2011 season.

“The Southern Kings leadership took note of the poor performance of some of the existing South African Super Rugby franchises and was adamant that the Southern Kings deserved to be given a similar opportunity to take part in the expanded Super 15 from 2011. The meeting expressed disappointment that the Southern Kings readiness to compete in Super Rugby was regularly called into question, yet the poor performance of the Lions and the Cheetahs, in particular, continued to go unquestioned.

“The Southern Kings expressed concern over SARU’s apparent protection of the Lions and Cheetahs franchises – which have consistently performed poorly since the onset of the Super 14 in 2006 and presently occupy the 13th and 14th places in the 2010 Super 14 standings.

“The Southern Kings leadership described this situation as “unacceptable” adding that SARU needed to act decisively to rectify the situation. The Southern Kings reiterated that the time was now appropriate for the franchise to be given the opportunity to participate in Super Rugby.

“The Southern Kings does not believe it is possible to effectively prepare for Super Rugby participation from 2013 by entrenching one of the Southern Kings partners in the Currie Cup or through a series of friendly matches. SARU needs to urgently confirm the Southern Kings Super Rugby participation from 2011, which will allow the franchise to immediately activate sponsorships and, using this funding, begin contracting a squad that is of Super Rugby standard.”

The statement concludes:

“We are not prepared to wait and will do everything in our power to ensure that Super Rugby becomes a reality in the region from no later than 2011.”


  • Give the Kings a chance at promotion relegation at the end of the CC. If they make it. Cool. If they don’t. Tuff

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.04.10 17:11:52 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • Ok, let me ask this. If the three unions are so powerful and conmpetitive, how come all three finished out of the quarterfinals of the Vodacom Cup?

    Eight teams, they finished 6, 7, 8th. They were first choice teams against B teams in three of the five sides above them. One was a composite side (Argentina), Boland were the only who showed that the A team pf a B section union can compete against B sides.

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.04.10 17:33:07 by Baldrick Reply
    BaldrickCurrie Cup player
  • @Baldrick (Comment 2) : the got to the finals of the currie cup but are dismal in super rugby! Even with players from the griquas added to their side!

    Currie Cup & Vodacom Cup form is no barometer of success or failure in Super Rugby…

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.04.10 17:49:55 by Megatron Reply
    MegatronSuper Rugby player
  • @Megatron (Comment 3) : my comment started as follows…”look at the Cheetahs, they got to the finals”

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.04.10 17:52:05 by Megatron Reply
    MegatronSuper Rugby player
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) : True
    @Baldrick (Comment 2) : True

    Solution…..Super 9, which is what the S15 will in effect be, let the Southern Kings play a triangular series against the bottom 2 SA teams, and whoever comes last is relegated from the following year’s top 5 SA teams.

    From my understanding, the top 3 teams from each country will go through to compete against each other in the S15, and looking at the log each country has about only 3 top teams in any case.

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.04.10 18:10:29 by FireTheLooser Reply
    FireTheLooserAssistant coach
  • @Baldrick (Comment 2) : My comments also show that I need to learn how to type.

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.04.10 18:13:13 by Baldrick Reply
    BaldrickCurrie Cup player
  • @Megatron (Comment 3) : Currie Cup & Vodacom Cup form is no barometer of success or failure in Super Rugby…

    100% correct. BUT for no reason other than The step up to CC from VC is to big for some teams and the step up to S14 from CC is to big for MOST teams.

    You cannot say (as i think you are trying to allude) that you cannot say how a team will perform in the S14 if you look at their CC or VC performances.

    You CAN say that if a team is kak in the CC or VC they will NOT perform in the S14. But you CANNOT say that a team who did well in CC or VC will do well in the S14.

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.04.10 18:13:52 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @Megatron (Comment 3) : You are quite right, but if a union’s top side cannot compete with other union’s B sides in a B competition, how can they expect to compete against A teams in an A competition?

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.04.10 18:15:36 by Baldrick Reply
    BaldrickCurrie Cup player
  • @Baldrick (Comment 6) :

    :lol: conmpetitive Although THAT may go down as the freudian slip of the year.

    Conpetitive ~ The terminology used for when a team or region tries to con other into believing they are competitive in a competition when they are not.

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.04.10 18:16:32 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • Sharks XV plays the Griquas at 14:00 this Saturday on Absa Park, Durban (or should that be eThekwini ;-) )

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.04.10 18:20:16 by FireTheLooser Reply
    FireTheLooserAssistant coach
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 10) :

    No it should be Kings park!!!!!!! :razz:

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.04.10 18:21:52 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 9) :

    WP media have been telling us for years how conpetitive the WP rugby team is. This year they finally managed to show us they are competitive. :razz:

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.04.10 18:23:32 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @Megatron (Comment 3) : Megatron, how do you propose that a team gets into the super 15 then. I think this is the biggest problem facing SARU, I do not have an answer, and as much at it grieves me to say this, I don’t think that the Lions deserve to play Super rugby anymore and maybe a year out of it will somehow make them wake up or it will be the death of the Union as we know it. The Cheetahs are in a similar position. So now we have the biggest city without Rugby or the biggest feeder of talent, the Cheetahs without a Rep. The Kings (what a ridiculous name) however, do require a chance to show what they have, personally, I think they will be in the same boat as the Lions and the Cheetahs, possibly worse, what will be very interesting, will be what sort of ratio of black players will get a chance to show their talent. Cheeky Watson has made a rod for his back, because he proposes a franchise to give black players a chance, but he also needs to be competitive, going to be interesting. I grew up in the Eastern Cape and know about the abundance of talent from those schools both black and white, but since the demise of EP as a Currie Cup union, I fear he has a huge task ahead of him. But they deserve a chance. Now how do you sort it out who plays and who does not??

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.04.10 05:50:18 by Whindy Reply
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    WhindyCurrie Cup player
  • SARU needs to urgently confirm the Southern Kings Super Rugby participation from 2011, which will allow the franchise to immediately activate sponsorships and, using this funding, begin contracting a squad that is of Super Rugby standard.”

    The reality is that they will contract the cream (I know, I know, that you will say that there is no cream in the Lions)and the rest will be players from the other unions. I do not believe that there is sufficient talent in the Kings region to be competitive.

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.04.10 07:37:45 by Bump Reply

    BumpSuper Rugby player
  • i would like to see cheetahs joined with the kings, and griquas with the lions, but lions and cheetahs alone are kak with a capital k.

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.04.10 07:50:33 by try time Reply

    Super Rugby player
  • @Bump (Comment 14) : Saru has already decided that the Kings aren’t next years comp. But a relegation system will be in place in the near future.

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.04.10 07:51:35 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 16) : the relegation system confirmed by SARU? i`m a big believer in the relegation system. gives the franchises at the bottom a chance to play super rugby and it would give the cheetahs and lions the insentive to still try and win games after round 4, as they usually give up by then. IMO – a varsity cup 15 side would beat the Kings at the moment. Why dont we rather, in the interest of SA rugby, put a team there with only u/21`s in it? i know it would never work but in the same case as a varsity cup 15 it would mean GREAT development of our youngster, white and black!

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.04.10 08:22:37 by VanWilder Reply

    VanWilderCurrie Cup player
  • @Whindy (Comment 13) : i hear you, but i believe that the EP/border and SWD region only wants a piece of that big, juicy super 14/15 cake. money in their pockets, and they are using the black develpment region as an excuse. Once they are in the super rugby comp, they will never be removed as it mean removing the black development highground of south africa. dont get me wrong, i have no problem with them playing super rugby, but the RULES from SARU should be water tight.

    if using a relegation system, then they should implement it every year, or every 2 years.

    @Bump (Comment 14) : shouldnt the kings have been competitive a long time ago? how long has this super rugby debate been going on. Name me but a few developed youngster (that doesnt cost an arm and a leg to a union) that actually grew up through the union and is now playing super rugby, and i dont mean school boys that left after matric?

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.04.10 08:32:21 by VanWilder Reply

    VanWilderCurrie Cup player
  • I don’t think we have enough talent to have 5 top teams in the comp, 3 of the teams are doing the job, a fourth SA barbarians team might be competitive.

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.04.10 08:38:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

    FireTheLooserAssistant coach
  • If the Southern Spears want a Super 15 spot they should play for it againt the current SA team in last position – simple as that!!

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.04.10 13:49:49 by MB1810 Reply

    Under 21 player
  • I’m all for devolpment and improvement, but you have to be realistic. To include the Spears in the S15 will do the union more harm then good.


    Confidence!! How confident will these guys be if they get beaten week in and week out? Most of them will propably hang up their boots if they feel they don’t have what it takes. And who will be the winner if that happens? Carefull consideration is needed regarding the inclusion of the Spears. Hell I’m not convinced that the Lions and Cheetahs should be part of the tournament anymore.

    IF and I say IF the Spears can consistantly prove themselves on the local scene (eg. CC level) then I might change my view. But until then I fear their inclusion will have a negative effect on the union

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.04.10 14:02:57 by Farlington Reply

    FarlingtonSuper Rugby player
  • IF the Kings go into next season’s, or any other season for that matter, Super 15 then the majority of their squad will be made up of the players from the dropped union who has NOT already snapped up by the Sharks, Bulls and Stormers.

    I don’t care what Cheeky Watson says he WILL NOT be using only homegrown talent i will be surprised if the uses 10 in a match day 22.

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.04.10 15:26:09 by KSA Shark © Reply

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