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Let the Bulls do what they want; Tahs need to worry about themselves


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Bulls, In the news, Super 14 on 13 May 2010 at 06:28
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A load of bull has been uttered about the Bulls. So what if they rest up to 13 top-tier players for the final round match against the Stormers this weekend? That is the privilege of finishing well ahead of everyone else.

Greg Gowden writes for the Sydney Morning Herald that if they are able to rest 13 players, good on them, because it shows what incredible depth they possess. According to those in the know, the Bulls’ B team is almost as good as the Bulls A team, and could well win – in Cape Town, anyway.

This is nothing new. During their golden period, the Crusaders regularly rested players, and it didn’t do them any harm. It was all part of keeping their full squad motivated.

More importantly, those complaining don’t have a leg to stand on. As Peter Garrett sang in his Midnight Oil days: “Short memory, must have a, short memory. If you read the history books you’ll see the same things happen again and again. Short memory they’ve all got it.” They certainly do.

In 2002 the Waratahs did something very similar. Sitting pretty in second place with just one round to go, then NSW coach Bob Dwyer rested a number of key players for the match against the Crusaders in Christchurch.

The tactic was a disaster. The Waratahs were belted 96-19 by the Crusaders, prompting the classic quote by Test hooker Brendan Cannon, who was demoted to the reserves. When Cannon took the field in the second half, he ran past the opposition bench and told them: “There’s 64 points in me.”

The next week, the Waratahs played a home semi-final against the Brumbies, and were again belted – this time 51-10.

But there is one enormous difference between the 2002 Waratahs and the 2010 Bulls. The Waratahs lacked depth and were not able up to the task. The Bulls, however, have an abundance of capable players who can perform at this level.

So, it would be wise for the Waratahs to stop being distracted by this guff. NSW have not yet qualified for the finals, so all the talk about how much money they may miss out on if they do not get a home semi-final is premature. It could prove distracting for the team during what may well be the most important week this season.

After all, the Waratahs could miss out on the finals altogether. They can’t afford to rest one player, let alone 13. Privately, some NSW players are admitting they understand the Bulls’ motives. They know first-hand the hard toil of the Super 14 tournament. They know rest periods are crucial in revitalising a team. You only have to see how each team looks forward to its one bye to realise that.

The Waratahs have suggested they are going to take the matter to SANZAR but what is the governing body going to do? Hit the Bulls with a feather duster? Any complaint would be filed in the “are you kidding?” basket. And so it should be.



61 Comments

  • Gowden must be of Kiwi extraction, why isn’t he whinging. :twisted:

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.05.10 06:29:53 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • From another thread

    You have to hand it to the Aussies. They DO have the knack for coming up with great headlines.

    Despica-Bull: Super 14 champions replace 14 players

    The worst fears of the NSW Waratahs has come to fruition following Bulls coach Frans Ludeke decision to make 14 changes to his team to play the Stormers this weekend.

    The Waratahs are set to make a complaint to SANZAR in the next two days, but Ludeke insists that despite provoking his Australian and New Zealand counterparts, the Super 14 rugby champions were not compromising the competition

    Complain AAAAAAAAAAALLL you like convicts. After all it is in your blood.

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.05.10 06:30:39 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Oh it would be awesome to see them lose on Saturday…or friday…I don’t know, but that would leave them on 38 or 39 points, not even close to a possible home semi and most probably out of the competition.

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.05.10 07:53:20 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 3) : Huh? Why do you want the stormers out the semi’s? You’d rather an oversees team?
    I would’ve supported the Sharks if they were in this position, in fact, I have in the past. Don’t get the negativity.

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.05.10 08:34:25 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 4) :

    I think she is referring to the Tahs dude!! :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.05.10 08:41:59 by wpw Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 4) : I think she’s refering to the Tah’s

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.05.10 08:47:12 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 5) : @Pokkel (Comment 6) : Oh phew… my bad. Got myself all worked up.
    Sorry Letgo, I apologise.

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.05.10 08:53:42 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 7) : ;-) It happens in the heat of the moment. :razz:

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.05.10 08:57:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 8) : Yup, I’m pumped for this weekend, think we’re going to have alot of injuries after this match. Bakkies/De Wet are going to try kill us.

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.05.10 09:00:20 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 9) :

    Lets just hope it doesn’t rain cos then we are in deep trouble.

    The game will be tighter and could go the way of the side with the superior kicking game which would more than likely be the Cows!! :roll:

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.05.10 09:14:28 by wpw Reply
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  • I do however think we need to be careful of teams fielding second string sides….and inadvertently throwing games.

    What’s stopping all teams sending second string sides to Loftus next season (will that be tolerated by SANZAR)?

    Is there any point of the Cheetahs and Lions next year sending a full strength side to Aussie or NZ, will they be allowed to send an Academy side.

    Is the future of the comp. just seeing what games teams think they can target away from home ?

    What the Bulls have done is WRONG and not in the spirit of the 16 week competition….if you want to play that game, it could get awfully messy.

    Time for SANZAR to stand up !

    PS The Highlanders have thrown 9 games this season :lol:

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.05.10 09:54:15 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 11) : Hi HH. I disagree and this has been done before. I think the Bulls have earned the right to play their B-team and this B-team has something to prove and I don’t think it’s going to be an easy game by any means.

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.05.10 10:02:03 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 11) : A Saffa is incapable of “throwing” a rugby match….

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.05.10 10:03:05 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 13) : especially a derby…this game is going to be a bruiser and the Stormers can’t just pitch up and expect to win.
    @Hertford Highlander (Comment 11) : I do feel for the 45 000 fans that were expecting a strengh vs. strengh game.

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.05.10 10:05:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 12) :

    I personally believe no one earns the right to field a second string side.

    Imagine if it happened in a Tri Nations Match….both fans would feel a little robbed.

    No one will disagree the Bulls won’t be competitive on Saturday.

    I just feel we need to be careful of teams trying to manipulate the final standings…..

    ….dangerous territory in my book.

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.05.10 10:07:09 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 13) :

    Not in this case….. but then again we will see really how rubbish the Stormers really are :lol:

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.05.10 10:09:23 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 15) : I don’t think the Bulls are trying to ‘manipulate’ anything…their players are just in desperate need of a rest and they are taking the oppertuinity.

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.05.10 10:10:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 16) : :smile: Yeah the rubbish 2nd placers…. :roll:

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.05.10 10:12:49 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • Please can someone tell more about winning the weber I keep hearing about?

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.05.10 10:13:29 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 17) :

    Most teams take the opportunity to rest key players throughout the season without sending out a second string side in a top of the table clash.

    You may get away with it if you were playing the Lions at home and you won.

    All they have to do is win now…and all will be forgiven.

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.05.10 10:15:27 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 19) :

    Yeah i’ve won it …but for obvious reasons have been stripped of the prize.

    ….. i’m thinking of entering a second string FL Team in next years competition. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.05.10 10:18:53 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 13) :

    But we sure are good at throwing cricket matches!! :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.05.10 10:20:15 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 22) :

    I see you have hit the front….hard to lose it from here ?

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.05.10 10:21:44 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 21) :

    hahahaha

    Brilliant!!! :lol: :grin:

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.05.10 10:23:01 by wpw Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 21) : :lol:

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.05.10 10:24:08 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 23) :

    What are you talking about??? :roll:

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.05.10 10:26:18 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 26) : T20 SuperBru Cricket :cool:

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.05.10 10:30:25 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 27) :

    Ah!!

    I was wondering when you would bring that up.

    Last time I checked I was in 3rd place. :cool:

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.05.10 10:38:08 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 28) :

    I’ve had to think outside the square to make sure i beat you……shouldn’t be a problem :mrgreen:

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.05.10 10:41:16 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 28) : How many do you think will be in our FWC Pool :?:

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.05.10 10:42:06 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 30) :

    Not sure but I am hoping we can get quite a few!!

    So you’ve joined!! Cool!!

    You really after that maiden CUP arent you?? :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.05.10 10:46:26 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 22) : Make Johan Botha Captain..keep Smitty in the side though…think he uses too much power play with the young players (Morne Morkel)..and doesn’t give them game time.

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.05.10 10:51:22 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 31) : Rob’s not going to give a CUP for anything other than Rugger.

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.05.10 11:03:18 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 21) : Ok I’ve changed my mind about the Bulls playing their 2nd Team. It’s just wrong and unsportman like……I just realised how many Bulls I have in my FL team that’s not playing. :evil: :evil: :evil:

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.05.10 11:07:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 31) : how sweet… he thinks we give cups for non-rugby comps :)

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.05.10 11:12:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 34) :

    I knew you would come around :mrgreen:

    I’ve watched your team through out ….you have been right in the mix.

    ….. the other team i’ve really liked is Diablo’s

    ….mine has been dead and buried for weeks.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.05.10 11:13:42 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 32) :

    Is that for the ODI and T20 side or captain of the test side as well??

    I don’t think Botha is a test spinner and will more than likely be called for ‘chucking’ by an Aussie or NZ umpire! :twisted:

    Hashim Amla will make a very good captain!! :cool:

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.05.10 11:21:33 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) :

    …i know the deal Robbo….just bring on the Rugger Comps.

    …are we having an Air NZ Cup FL Comp. :lol:

    I think i may struggle in the Currie Cup Comp. for obvious reasons.

    ….what other rugger comps can i dream up :cool:

    ….us Kiwi’s don’t get our hands on CUP’s that often ! :sad:

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.05.10 11:22:23 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 38) :

    Don’t worry, I will assist where I can.

    You know you can trust me!! ;-) :twisted:

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.05.10 11:37:23 by wpw Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 38) :

    I am sure there will be a pool for the Tri Nations!!

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.05.10 11:38:42 by wpw Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 14) :
    Dont feel sorry for the Stormers fans, they are so desperate for the win they would welcome a C team. I feel sorry for us neutral fans who were hoping for major hyped up clash – regardless of how brutal this game will be it will always be lacking the main ingredients.

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.05.10 12:09:27 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Bit OT – but you got to love the kiwis

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10644696&ref=rss

    :grin:

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.05.10 12:14:26 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 42) :
    They should rather pass a rule prohibiting Ma’a Nonu from a half time joint instead.

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.05.10 12:18:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • The Bulls are probably the only franchise in the world at the moment that can field a B-team capable of competing at this level.

    Why don’t they all wait for after the game and then complain if it is a massive hiding. All the idiots are doing right now are motivating the Bulls to go prove them wrong.

    We all know how SA derbies are. Now stick a pumped up Bulls side against their arch enemies, call them second-rate and see what happens. I predict a very niggly, spiteful affair and won’t be surprised if we see injuries to key players.

    This is bad for both the S14 semis and, more importantly, the Tri-Nations.

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.05.10 12:48:54 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 42) :

    Are you picking on my University ;-)

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.05.10 12:55:08 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 44) :
    That would hold true for whichever team the Bulls sent,so in this case the Bulls are cutting down on the possible injuries to their first stringers.

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.05.10 12:57:59 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 46) :

    They are still going to lose = throwing it :evil:

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 42) :

    Trust YOU of all people to find that post!! :twisted:

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.05.10 13:08:39 by wpw Reply
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  • In a way I agree with you.
    If I were the Bulls I would send my best team and go all out to whip the Stormers in order to ensurethat, at best, they have to travel for their semi meaning that, (assuming the Bulls win their semi) whichever team faces them in the final would have done so after a long flight from Aus / NZ.
    I must admit that not many people see it my way, especially Stormers supporters, but I see the Stormers as the Bulls biggest threat in winning a third S14, especially if they come off a home semi win at Newelands.

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.05.10 13:16:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 49) :

    Dude, has it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe we would have thrashed the Bulls’ first team seeing as we lost against the Sharks.

    If one looks back at our campaign, you will notice that after each loss this season we managed to bounce back with a vengence!!

    We were always going to thrash the Bulls this week no matter what the teamsheet looked like!! :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.05.10 13:26:22 by wpw Reply
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  • Ah, Aussies being Aussies…

    There is pecedent for this – Jake rested players for the TN and NZ sent over a second stringer and third stringer team for a Grand Slam tour a few years ago. Kiwis infamously claimed the three best teams in international rugby were all kiwi sides!

    The S14 is a gruelling comp and the Bulls pulled ouit all the stops to be in an unassailable position at the top of the table.
    Why on earth would they risk their top players getting injured for a game that means absolutely nothing?

    Funnily enough I’d give the stormers more than half a chance against a full strength Bull side at Newlands. With the stormers at the moment anything could happen… just depends which side pitches on the day.

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.05.10 13:37:14 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 49) :

    Yup, and if Fourie du Preez pops his shoulder again or Big vic breaks his leg, or worse they get multiple injuries? Especially with the Stormers desperate for the win to ensure a home semi? Ludeke would look pretty foolish then, wouldnt he?

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  • @wpw (Comment 50) :
    One for me one for you… not a fool proof way of predicting outcomes. Anyway you better smash them so hard that their first choice players feel as if they were personally rodgered. Im getting damn nervous for the Stormers sake regarding this game. The Aussies clearly have no idea of the intensity that can be expected.

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 52) :
    Yes he will, but he will look even more so if a fresh, pepped up Stormers come and give him a snotting in his back yard.
    I fully understand his point of view in not playing the first choice players, and even half believe that his second stringers can take the Stormers at Newlands, but if I were him I would want to maximise any advantage that I could get come finals day, and that would be to play a team that has just travelled half way around the world.

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.05.10 13:48:08 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 54) :

    Fair point. But what about the team physce if they lost at Newlands and then had to replay them in the final?

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.05.10 13:59:23 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 55) :
    That would be rough on them but they could console themselve that it was an away game at their eternal enemy where they shouldnt win anyway.

    On the other hand what will the psyche be in the Stormers camp if this new look Bulls team manage an upset – nah, cant happen.

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.05.10 14:20:57 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 55) : in order for there to be a “team psyche” it has to be the same team. Bulls team to potentially play the Stormers in a final would look nothing like this one

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.05.10 14:28:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) :
    Vin is refering to the same team playing both this game and a semi or final.

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.05.10 14:46:52 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 56) :

    Heaven forbid so please dont jinx it!
    Us Capetonians would never hear the end of it if the bulls b side knock us out the competition!

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.05.10 14:54:38 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 45) : Not at all in fact i have just sent an application in for my Masters.

    @wpw (Comment 48) : More consistent than the Stormers buddy. :lol:

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.05.10 15:27:36 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 60) :

    Really at Otago :razz:

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