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Bok coach to reveal Welsh selections


Written by Wesley Weber (wpw)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 18 May 2010 at 12:18
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Springbok coach Peter de Villiers will name his first Test team of the year after the two Super 14 semifinals on Saturday and it is likely to include very few of the Stormers and Bulls players.

Jan de Koning reports for rugby365.com:

The Bulls host the Crusaders in the first semifinal in Soweto and the Stormers are at home to the Waratahs in Cape Town.

The Bok coach will name his team for the Welsh Test, in Cardiff on June 5, after the second semifinal at Newlands.

However, the team is set to feature a host of overseas-based players and a few surprising choices from teams not involved in the play-offs.

The Bulls and Stormers’ Springboks won’t come into the Test frame until South Africa meet France in Cape Town on Saturday, June 12.

De Villiers has already indicated that he will use the encounter with Wales at the Millennium Stadium as a ‘trial match’ for a host of overseas stars, with a view to their possible selection in the World Cup squad for the global showpiece in New Zealand next year.

Players like Daan Human (Toulouse), BJ Botha (Ulster), CJ van der Linde (Leinster), Joe van Niekerk (Toulon), Butch James and Michael Claassens (both Bath) are all on the Bok selection shortlist for the year’s opening Test.

There may be a few more.

However, there could be a few surprise selections from the domestic scene.

The Sharks will provide the usual batch – players like captain John Smit, Jannie du Plessis, Ryan Kankowski, Ruan Pienaar and JP Pietersen. Throw in maybe Steven Sykes and Allistair Hargreaves. (Hooker Bismarck du Plessis is out of the frame with a neck injury.)

But the real surprises could come from the Cheetahs, where players like Hennie Daniller (fullback) and Bjorn Basson (wing) have come to the fore in recent weeks.

And, of course, there is the effervescent Juan Smith who has made a huge difference to the Cheetahs team – both as a player and a leader.



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  • Beast
    Smit
    Jannie
    BJ
    WP Nel

    Strauss (FS Hooker)
    Chilliboy (heaven forbid) :roll:

    Hargreaves
    Sykes
    Skeate??

    Deysel
    Juan
    Kanko
    Van Niekerk
    Watson :twisted:

    Claassens
    Pienaar
    Vermaak

    Butch
    Frans

    JDV
    Meyer Bosman
    Ebersohn

    Basson
    Nokwe
    JPP
    Odwa

    Lambie :roll:
    Daniller

    Any other suggestions?? :???:

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.05.10 12:26:44 by wpw Reply
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  • as long as he doesn’t reveal anything more. that snor won’t cover everything.

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.05.10 12:40:15 by try time Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 1) : lambie will be there.

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.05.10 12:40:34 by try time Reply

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  • so will the free state griquas scrummie.

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.05.10 12:42:05 by try time Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 1) : is butch and steyn coming back for the WC 2010

    and my LAMBIE

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.05.10 12:46:09 by Chaz Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 4) :

    Ja, Sarel Pretorius has been great.

    Wrt Lambie, is he not travelling with the Baby Boks which would probably rule him out for the Boks??

    I think it is too early for him don’t you??

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.05.10 12:48:49 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 1) : perhaps ricky will get in and sarel pretorius
    pienaar will be considered as FL methinks

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.05.10 12:48:55 by rekinek Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 3) : don’t think so – isn’t he suppose to be playing with U-21

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.05.10 12:49:40 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 6) : no i don’t he has proven himself in the S14 so ready or not he can do it in the WC 2010 nobody thought the FS was too young wen he took his side in the WC 2005

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.05.10 12:53:22 by Chaz Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 8) : can they pull him for WC 2010 for the Boks

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.05.10 12:54:11 by Chaz Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 7) :

    Ricky won’t be selected because he is on the Stormers bench for the semis (and hopefully the final) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.05.10 12:58:17 by wpw Reply
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  • @Chaz (Comment 10) : not sure whether I understand. lambie was selected to play for Baby Boks in 2010 Junior Championship. I think it is in July .

    This selection is just for the Cardiff game.

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.05.10 13:02:01 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 11) : on the bench as you say – I’m sure PDiVie would love to give him more game time to make up for this atrocious treatment from Stormers :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.05.10 13:03:36 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 12) : me miss understood that one or didn’t read properly :oops:

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.05.10 13:05:35 by Chaz Reply

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  • @Chaz (Comment 9) : I think you mean WC2011 and WC2007

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.05.10 13:07:03 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 15) : sorry sh!t chaz where is your head this morning :???:

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.05.10 13:10:14 by Chaz Reply

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  • Rob I think u owe me an apology – last year before the season began when I suggested that we should start Lambie in place of oupa in S14 u called me crazy that he was still too young 2 start him in VC – not only did he replace oupa in S14 he shone in the tournement now he is being touted as a Bok :twisted:

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.05.10 14:03:55 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 17) : did I? Sorry, then…

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.05.10 14:06:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • really hope Sykes and Hargo don’t get pulled out of the Currie Cup

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.05.10 14:07:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : are you attempting to jinx them now. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.05.10 14:17:08 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 17) : and hello to you :razz:

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.05.10 14:17:30 by rekinek Reply
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  • Wes…that Squad looks weak……doesn’t it :shock:

    So from that crew what would be the Starting XV :cool:

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.05.10 14:25:57 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 22) :
    1 Beast
    2 Smit
    3 Jannie
    4 Sykes
    5 Anton van Zyl???
    6 Deysel / Wikus v Heerden
    7 Juan / Deysel
    8 Kanko
    9 Sarel Pretorius/Ruan
    10 Ruan / Butch
    11 Bjorn Basson
    12 Jean de Villiers/Frans Steyn
    13 Marius Joubert
    14 Nokwe
    15 Frans Steyn / Lambie

    Not a bad team but they won’t have much time to practice together :roll:

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.05.10 14:39:28 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 23) : no 3 should be BJ Botha not Jannie

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.05.10 14:49:37 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 23) :

    I didn’t ask for a Sharks invitation side :cool:

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.05.10 14:54:50 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 23) : nice team .

    I would change 3 from Jannie to BJ
    Not sure about Van Zyl – but not sure with whom to replace him. Maybe ali or who’s cheetahs lock?

    also thinking about different 13.

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.05.10 14:56:01 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 25) : would you prefer drafting in some more lions :mrgreen:

    the sharks , bulls and few stormers constitute the bulk of springboks and with Stormers and Bulls out of the picture it must be Sharks invitational.

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.05.10 14:57:46 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 26) : Outside centre and another lock is a problem without the Bulls or Stormers( and van Zyl is a stormer)
    @Hertford Highlander (Comment 25) : Hey, do you want more Cheetah’s and Lions in the team??

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.05.10 14:58:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • 13 could be Ebersohn but can’t think of any other locks.

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.05.10 15:00:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 28) :

    I want more overseas based players….that is what the coach keeps banging on about !

    I thought it was like an overseas based trial

    For starters get Steyn in there at Fly Half

    Try again

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.05.10 15:06:52 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 30) : I’ll NEVER select Steyn at Flyhalf

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.05.10 15:10:51 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 8) : damn, you are right. pity, it is nice to get quality youngsters in the bok set up earlier rather than later.

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.05.10 15:12:46 by try time Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 6) : yeah lambie is, i forgot about that.

  • Comment 33, posted at 18.05.10 15:13:25 by try time Reply

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  • i just love the fact that we are sending a weak team like the nh always send us.

  • Comment 34, posted at 18.05.10 15:16:25 by try time Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 30) : don’t wish us that bad :lol:

    @Pokkel (Comment 31) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 18.05.10 15:17:35 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 30) :
    1. CJ v d Linde
    2. Schalk Brits
    3. BJ Botha
    4. Ross Skeate
    5. ???
    6. ???
    7. ???
    8. Shaun Sowerby
    9. Micheal Claasens
    10. Butch
    11. ??
    12. Jean de Villiers
    13. Marius Joubert
    14. ???
    15. Frans Steyn

    HH help me fill the gaps with only overseas based players

  • Comment 36, posted at 18.05.10 15:18:04 by Pokkel Reply
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  • we could make a bok squad with the sharks forward pack and the free state backline and beat wales. and we won’t have to worry too much as we won’t be messing combos up to much.

  • Comment 37, posted at 18.05.10 15:18:37 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 37) : The problem with a mix and match team is that they will probably only practice together for a week or so and won’t gel yet

  • Comment 38, posted at 18.05.10 15:21:51 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 38) : that is why i say keep the free state backline and sharks forwards. all your major combos have played s14 together so there won’t be to much problem with settling the team. the only combo that will need work is 9 and ten.

  • Comment 39, posted at 18.05.10 15:24:11 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 37) : What about Botha at Northamton Watson at Bath, Van Niekirk at Toulon

    that’s a pack….you must have wingers floating about :?:

  • Comment 40, posted at 18.05.10 15:24:44 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 36) : isn’t brent russel still playing – i’m sure he can do anywhere in the backline :twisted:

    and you forgotten about fluke.

  • Comment 41, posted at 18.05.10 15:25:23 by rekinek Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 39) : I agree but Divvie wants to ‘trial’ the overseas based players so I’m trying to put a team together for HH

  • Comment 42, posted at 18.05.10 15:26:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 41) : Russel could be one of the wings….and no I didn’t forget Fluke…I just chose to ignore him.

  • Comment 43, posted at 18.05.10 15:27:22 by Pokkel Reply
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  • so your team will look like this

    beast
    smit
    jannie
    sykes
    hargreaves
    deysel
    botes
    ryan
    sarel
    ruan
    basson
    bosman
    corne uys
    stefan
    daniller

    and there is enough quality overseas and here to fill the bench.

  • Comment 44, posted at 18.05.10 15:28:28 by try time Reply

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  • Ok let’s see,

    1. CJ v d Linde
    2. Schalk Brits
    3. BJ Botha
    4. Ross Skeate
    5. ???
    6. ???
    7. Shaun Sowerby
    8. Big Joe
    9. Micheal Claasens
    10. Butch
    11. Brent Russel
    12. Jean de Villiers
    13. Marius Joubert
    14. ???
    15. Frans Steyn

  • Comment 45, posted at 18.05.10 15:29:40 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 40) : you need quality backup so use the overseas players as well. but keep the serious combos as they were in s14. remember smit beast and bj have played together and done well. i wouldn’t put cj vd linde in the same hemisphere as the boks, nevermind in the boks.

  • Comment 46, posted at 18.05.10 15:31:10 by try time Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 45) : in your list there the only real contenders are bj, brits, jdv and steyn. the rest are injured or has beens.

  • Comment 47, posted at 18.05.10 15:32:48 by try time Reply

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  • oh i would put alberts in, but i am not sure how serious his injury is.

  • Comment 48, posted at 18.05.10 15:33:52 by try time Reply

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  • ok ok, and juan smith will probably feature ahead of botes. but i thought it would be nice for botes to get at least on cap. i am allowed a little bias here aren’t i? ;-)

  • Comment 49, posted at 18.05.10 15:35:07 by try time Reply

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  • 1. Beast
    2. Smit
    3. BJ
    4. Sykes
    5. Hargreaves
    6. Botes/Deysel
    7. Juan
    8. Kanko
    9. Sarel
    10. Ruan
    11. Bjorn
    12. JdV
    13. Ebersohn
    14. Nokwe
    15. Steyn

  • Comment 50, posted at 18.05.10 15:37:34 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 45) : did you have a look at saracens side – there should be enough saffa to fill the remaining gaps. i will try to see.

  • Comment 51, posted at 18.05.10 15:38:09 by rekinek Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 49) : It would be nice if Botes gets a cap but doesn’t he also fall in your ‘hasbeen’ category??

  • Comment 52, posted at 18.05.10 15:39:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 51) :

    Saracens line-up vs Northampton Saints

    15 Alex Goode
    14 Michael Tagicakibau
    13 Adam Powell
    12 Brad Barritt
    11 Chris Wyles
    10 Glen Jackson
    9 Neil de Kock
    1 Matias Aguero
    2 Schalk Brits
    3 Petrus du Plessis
    4 Hugh Vyvyan
    5 Mouritz Botha
    6 Jacques Burger
    7 Andy Saull
    8 Ernst Joubert (c)

    16 Fabio Ongaro
    17 Rhys Gill
    18 Richard Skuse
    19 Tom Ryder
    20 Justin Melck
    21 Justin Marshall
    22 Derick Hougaard
    23 Kameli Ratuvou

    some saffa sounding names..

  • Comment 53, posted at 18.05.10 15:42:20 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 52) : less so than big joe sowerby etc. those guys would be playing legends in sa.

  • Comment 54, posted at 18.05.10 15:45:58 by try time Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 22) :

    It is for the test against Wales!!

    No Bulls and Stormers players will be considered! :???:

  • Comment 55, posted at 18.05.10 15:46:14 by wpw Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 53) : barritt can’t play for sa. didn’t he play for england b, killing all chances of him making a bok squad.

  • Comment 56, posted at 18.05.10 15:47:01 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 56) : pokkel has gaps at 5,6 and 14

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  • @rekinek (Comment 57) : i have gaps between my teeth.

  • Comment 58, posted at 18.05.10 15:54:51 by try time Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 36) :

    Seriously Pokkel when last have you seen CJ play??

    He doesn’t even last 40 minutes and is always injured.

    The fact that he nearly has 50 tests caps just sickens me. :roll:

  • Comment 59, posted at 18.05.10 15:55:18 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 59) : I don’t want CJ there. HH wanted a team with only overseas based players and I couldn’t think of anyone else.

  • Comment 60, posted at 18.05.10 15:57:46 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 56) :

    A real pity Barritt won’t ever play for the Boks.

    He is a much better player than the likes of Bosman, Bobo and Meisiekind!! :???:

  • Comment 61, posted at 18.05.10 15:58:27 by wpw Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 60) :

    Daan Human has been very consistent in France!!

    Peter Dixon :shock:
    Ernst Joubert
    Niel De Kock
    Brian Mujati
    Gcobani Bobo

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  • @try time (Comment 58) : orthodontist needed? :lol:

  • Comment 63, posted at 18.05.10 16:08:57 by rekinek Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 58) : and BTW i put clogs on to hide Polish roots :mrgreen:

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  • Ernst Joubert is in the running for Guiness Premiership player of the season and has been sensational over here so certainly deserves a squad place.

    Chilliboy is still injured so I guess Maku will be there in his place.

    Skeate doesn’t start often for Toulon so can’t see how he can make it. Joe Van Niekerk is captain and from all accounts has been excellent, but we are not short of loosies.

    Marius Joubert could be a good shout for outside centre. Schalk Britz is another who has had an excellent season for Sarries and is also on shortlist for player of season!

  • Comment 65, posted at 18.05.10 21:41:52 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 65) : funnily enough when i saw rekinek’s saracens team i noticed ernst’s name and wondered how he was playing. he impressed me as a good player when he was playing here.

  • Comment 66, posted at 19.05.10 08:24:15 by try time Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 64) : i thought it was so no-one could comment about your stormers voodoo doll. we know you used it when the stormers played the sharks. you now have to get a voodoo doll for all the sharks other opposition. we can’t rely on plum and adolf to get things right, so they need all the help they can get.

  • Comment 67, posted at 19.05.10 08:26:13 by try time Reply

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  • 1. Beast
    2. Smit
    3. BJ
    4. Sykes
    5. Flip van der Merwe
    6. Deysel
    7. Smith
    8. Alberts
    9. Pienaar
    10. James
    11. Nokwe
    12. de Villiers
    13. Joubert
    14. Basson
    15. Steyn

    16. Brits
    17. van der Linde
    18. Hargreaves
    19. Kankowski
    20. Claassens
    21. Ebersohn
    22. Killian

  • Comment 68, posted at 19.05.10 09:43:37 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 68) : Not bad at all…Would they concider Flip because he isn’t a starting Bull?

  • Comment 69, posted at 19.05.10 09:54:12 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 68) : Maybe a spot could be found for Wickus van Heerden as well.

  • Comment 70, posted at 19.05.10 09:55:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 67) :
    :cool: so I can get all the credit for this win .
    not a bad idea really … anything for the team :mrgreen:

  • Comment 71, posted at 19.05.10 11:50:19 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 69) : That’s my reasoning with Flip, but it could be a problem with Bakkies out for 4 weeks. If not Flip then Hargreaves in and David de Villiers or Anton van Zyl on the bench.

  • Comment 72, posted at 19.05.10 13:05:20 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 70) : The problem is, who do you leave out to put Wikus in?

  • Comment 73, posted at 19.05.10 13:06:45 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Huh?? WTF are they playing in Cardiff in the “summer”? :???:

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