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Looking ahead


Written by Stu Cooper (Worcestershire Sauce)

Posted in :Original Content on 19 May 2010 at 12:06
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As another chapter in Superrugby closes and the next one begins it might be pertinent to ask the question … Is the Super 15 in a South African context going to be the death of the Currie Cup?

Well lets look at the format of next years tournament. There will be three conferences each containing five teams – Kiwi, Saffa and Convict. It will include all current teams and the new team from Aus – the Melbourne Rebels.

The tourney will kick off in February with all teams playing within their conference – ie no international travel to contend with. At the end of this stage of the tournament each team will have played four matches.

The teams then play four of the five teams in each of the other two conferences. The missed team in each cross conference stage will change on a five year rotation. (Assuming the format lasts that long.) These eight games will be a mix of two home and two away games from each conference. At the end of this stage all teams will have played 12 matches.

The next stage is a return to local conferences as per the first stage except that teams will now switch venues, so a combination of stage one and three equals a home and away scenario against all teams in your the local conference. At the end of this stage all teams will have played 16 matches.

At this point the tourney will pause to allow for the usual incoming tours from the Northern Hemisphere. Once completed the competition moves into the finals stage.

The finals have been expanded to included 6 teams. The winner of each countries conference and the next three teams from all conferences with the most points will make up the six finalists.

The top team in each conference will automatically qualify for the post season. The top two ranked conference winners get a first round bye to home semi-finals. The remaining four are ranked to determine the quarter-final draw. The third conference winner is automatically the third qualifier (and therefore top quarterfinalist) regardless of table points.

Quarter Final Draw
QF1 3rd at home v 6th
QF2 4th at home v 5th

Semi-final Draw
SF1 2nd at home v QF1 winner
SF2 1st at home v QF2 winner

Final
Higher Ranked SF winner at home v Lower ranked SF winner

Confusing stuff isn’t it … that and if you make it through to the finals stage – potentially you could play 19 games in a full season of Super 15. It still beneficial to finish at the top of the table – it allows you to bypass the quarters and move to a home-semi.

While you try and get your head around that one, back to my original question – is the Super 15 going to kill the Currie Cup?

With each conference essentially playing a home and away fixture – the Currie Cup essentially has been duplicated with a minor annoyance of having to travel in the middle of it to play the convicts and kiwis. And given the Currie Cup’s watered down nature when the Boks are engaged in the June tests, the players who usually return to the domestic tourney will, subject to there seasons result return to Superrugby to play quarters, semi’s and finals.

It may be a little pre-emptive to be shooting the tourney down before its even kicked off but the more i look at this format the more i think too much emphasis is placed on Superrugby to the detriment of our local game.



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  • And if we are honest about the Highlanders, Lions, Cheetahs, Force and the newly added Rebels- they are really there to make up the numbers – maybe we should have stuck with the Super 10.

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.05.10 12:17:29 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • Huh????

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.05.10 12:18:42 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 2) : I’m with you. :shock:

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.05.10 12:26:09 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 2) : whats confusing you pokkel?

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.05.10 12:28:05 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • It does seem like there will be a lot less traveling which should be good for the players. It will probably kill the VC and water down the CC.

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.05.10 12:29:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Yeah I thought I understood this too up and till this article! :lol:

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.05.10 12:30:00 by Morné Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 4) : I’m just too lazy to try and piece it all together. :oops: I’ll figure it out next year as it goes. ;-)

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.05.10 12:31:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I understood the home conference stage will be a home and away thingy, then move onto playing the teams from the Convict and Kiwi franchises.

    So they split it now?

    Play one game in home conferences, play overseas teams, and then play the change leg of the home conferences following this?

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.05.10 12:31:44 by Morné Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 5) : On the travel issue – It will pretty much be the same with at least 4 away international games excluding quarters, semi’s and the final if you are not one of the home semi finalists.

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.05.10 12:32:27 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 8) : My understanding is it isn’t set in stone – making this even harder to write :lol:

    But everything i can find on the topic they have split the home and away against your local oppostion ( ie sa sides v sa sides ) with the inter-conference part.

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.05.10 12:34:48 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 10) :

    Oh okay, so just a small change in the architecture.

    As for the CC, I have said it for 3 years now – it is already dead.

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.05.10 12:36:23 by Morné Reply
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  • :shock:

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.05.10 12:37:22 by wpw Reply
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  • In my view, the only way the CC will survive in the modern era, is if we get all 14 unions strong again.

    The Super 15 or franchise competition will always take the lead in popularity and takes care of our 5 major provinces.

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.05.10 12:37:40 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 11) : Yea but it shouldn’t be – Superrugby is great when you get a Bulls – Saders game – or a Stromers Sharks game – the rest is drivel.

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.05.10 12:37:46 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 14) :

    I dont think you will find any of the viewing public arguing with you

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.05.10 12:42:56 by Morné Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 1) :

    WHAT…. I think you may need to retract this :twisted:

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.05.10 12:43:57 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 16) : :lol: It occured to me after i wrote it that you might demand a retraction. But in the efforts of balance i included all three countries and i couldn’t use the Chiefs as the example – they were finalist last year :lol:

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.05.10 12:46:21 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 17) : ;-)

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.05.10 12:52:04 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 17) :

    I think it is a tough call on the Landers and the Force…with them both beating every other team in the Competition.

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.05.10 12:52:57 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Rebels will be pants next year !

    But may not be in 5 Years…..Melbourne is a beautiful place to live….popular with South Africans i hear !

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.05.10 12:54:48 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • This totally sux. I must say that this is really squeezing every single cent out of SA rugby. Now everyone here always wonder why DSTV is so expensive…
    The best would be to change the format to a super 12 again with 3 teams from SA, AUS, NZ and from the Argies. Especially since we are moving into a four nation’s tournament with the Argies. It is a must to have them included in the super rugby.
    Make the top 3 SA/NZ/Aus/Arg teams from the previous years play in the super 12 each year. That would make the domestic rugby stronger for each country and then all teams will have a fair chance of playing in the super 12, including EP, Border and SWD. Which is great as every year we will have new teams in the competition, and that is what we need to freshen things up and actually have a long and sustainable competition.
    The funny thing is that I don’t know how you guys felt about the 14 team Currie cup system that we used to have? But when the system actually started working out they stopped it, after investing all of that money into it. If we carried on with that system we would have had a mother of a rugby country now.

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.05.10 12:56:43 by Uli Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 19) : Yea but in reality the teams i mentioned are and probably never will be semi contenders in their current state. So all they do every couple of years are add more bottom teams and we get more blow out rugby. I mean you could in reality add the Reds to that.

    To many bit teams not enough quality – my real point is our local game is going to deprciate further for a tourney that has too many poor games.

    Yea i have been to Melbourne – its a sweet place.

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.05.10 12:59:00 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 22) :

    Wouldn’t have been so long ago and you would have had the Bulls and Stormers on that list as well :cool:

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.05.10 13:02:47 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 22) :

    I think the Force and the Reds can push hard for a Semi Next Year.

    I think they have looked really good this year at full Strength

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.05.10 13:04:16 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • The only one’s to benefit from this are the aussies as they don’t have a decent domestic competition that can make any profit.

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.05.10 13:05:01 by Uli Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 23) : Very true – the Stomers are in a reality a mid table team – always have been – its just been an exceptional season.

    @Hertford Highlander (Comment 24) : Reds yes – Force – probably never. The thing about the Aussie teams – its going to be a cock fight year after year to see who can sign the big players that will make a difference to the Aussie teams – Barnes, Cooper, Giteau etc – the teams with those players do well – the rest are mid to bottom table teams for lack of quality players

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.05.10 13:07:16 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 25) :

    True….. but’s what’s wrong with that :cry:

    Good on them for being a position to stand up for themselves !

    It is just a shame Fiji Samoa Tonga and Argentina are not in the same situation.

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.05.10 13:10:05 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 26) :

    True they are quality marquee players and the Force will need their share

    However the Force have an exceptional young talent pool at the moment….for me they are a Franchise to watch next year….especially if they can land a couple of big signings.

    Plus there has been a lot more to the Reds than Cooper this year.

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.05.10 13:13:23 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 27) : Don’t we get the Argies next year or 2012 in the 3N?

    Personally – if they reduced the Aussies by two sides – the Kiwis by one and SA by one and added the Argies – it would go a long way to making the SH game better IMO

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.05.10 13:14:37 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 28) : Not sure about the Force – don’t know enough about them and you are probably right about the Reds – but you cannot deny that Cooper has been the catalyst

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.05.10 13:16:16 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 29) :

    I’m not so sure…i just like the talent spread through the teams.

    There are a lot of no names playing really good Rugger in Aussie at the moment.

    I think it would be a big backward step to reduce the number of Aussie Teams…. i think currently all their teams are more than competitive……however the Rebels will take a season or two to get there player base up and running ….but don’t be fooled there are a lot of good footy players in M they just play Rules and League.

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.05.10 13:19:18 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 30) :

    Mark my words expect a couple to be picked by the Wallabies this Year.

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.05.10 13:21:07 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 31) : Indeed. although from what i can see the Rebels is going to be a pretty international side – with a couple of Aussies – they allowed a few more foreigners than most

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.05.10 13:21:27 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 30) :

    Genia as well :idea:

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.05.10 13:21:37 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 33) :

    True….Rod McQueen is a really astute bloke….he won’t sign bunnies

    Do you know anything about Jared Saffy ! Is that his name is he any good :?:

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.05.10 13:24:04 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 34) : Indeed. Although hes broken now?

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.05.10 13:24:38 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 30) :

    The Force signed Andre Pretorius as their ‘marquee’ player this year.

    THAT alone says a lot about their ability to attract top players!!

    They are crap and will if it wasn’t for the useless Lions and Highlanders, they would deffo be bottom of the S14 log!! :roll:

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.05.10 13:24:59 by wpw Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 35) : No idea. You are correct about Mcqueen.

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.05.10 13:25:37 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 37) :

    Good point NOT….you forgot to mention they smashed the Stormers.

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.05.10 13:31:05 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 38) :

    I think he has been playing League for the St George Dragons.

    South African …i think :???:

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.05.10 13:32:15 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 37) : I agree the with you re the Force – i think the Aussies have dreams about 5 competitive teams when in reality when they had three – only two where competitive and the other was a mid table team.

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.05.10 13:32:48 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 41) : @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 41) : WRONG

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.05.10 13:34:32 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 39) : We lost by one point – not much of a smashing :oops:

    @Hertford Highlander (Comment 40) : Yea well in years to come plenty of the Aussie teams are going to be filled with Botha’s, Van Der Somethings and a host of players whose parents made the run to Aus.

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.05.10 13:34:51 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 42) : The results speak for themselves – the Brumbies and Tahs are the only competitve teams in Aus the rest aren’t so flash

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.05.10 13:37:13 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 43) :

    Everyone else had beaten them until then :cool:

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.05.10 13:37:13 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 45) : Yea was a bit of a fark up that one – could have been the difference had we lost to a full strength bulls team in the final round – we would be training in Sydney !

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.05.10 13:38:59 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • Why can’t the Currie Cup run after the Tri Nations

    Doesn’t the NZ Domestic competition take place then :?:

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.05.10 13:41:00 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 39) :

    So does that make them a good team??

    They also beat the Saders so now what??

    Where did they end up on the log now again?? :roll: :twisted:

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 46) :

    Your lucky to be training at all !

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.05.10 13:41:55 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 48) :

    I think you just answered your own question.

    Will they be the only team to beat both Finalist’s.

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.05.10 13:42:57 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 47) : Nah – also runs concurrent to 3N – i think.

    @Hertford Highlander (Comment 49) : Thats a bit harsh – we definitely deserve the home semi this year – we have been excellent by our usual form.

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.05.10 13:44:04 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 51) :

    I just hope the Bulls get smashed for their part in your home semi.

    Hope you looking forward to the Tahs….they are looking forward to you !

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.05.10 13:47:13 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 43) : Sad I know, my friends kids have Wannabie jerseys and speak with that nasal twang. They want to play for ‘Stralya…

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.05.10 13:47:23 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 53) : ;-)

  • Comment 54, posted at 19.05.10 13:49:41 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 53) : Eish :evil:

    @Hertford Highlander (Comment 52) : Of course they are – but then again the cheating Aussies have to get past a team in form and looking pretty motivated and grounded , a mal rugby public and a full house of South African officials.

  • Comment 55, posted at 19.05.10 13:54:33 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 55) :

    Very True…. The Officials look the biggest obstacles to both visiting teams in the Finals

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 56) : I think the Bulls will be most worried about the officials

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 57) :

    Don’t worry Dickinson hates McCaw and the rest of the Saders pack……they won’t get a look in…..will get pinged off the park for every scrum and breakdown offense known to man kind !

  • Comment 58, posted at 19.05.10 13:59:57 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 58) : Stuie must be in heaven – two teams to piss off.

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  • Lot of sharks fans around here at the moment :lol:

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 59) :

    Could be worst could be Walsh and Marks running the line as well.

    Imagine that ! :shock:

    If that is not an argument against neutral officials i don’t know what is ! ;-)

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 61) : JHC – nightmare for any players on the park with that crowd.

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 62) :

    Bra, you are NOT in the running for LMS so what’s up with all the comments and articles??

    4 new threads in 2 days!! WTF?? :shock: :twisted:

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  • @wpw (Comment 63) : I have given up all fantasy leagues – too much fucking admin week in and week out – No superbru no nothing.

    As to the threads – nothing to do at work – to make the day faster – put up some threads here and go trolling on Voldy. :twisted:

  • Comment 64, posted at 19.05.10 14:20:30 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 61) : the only addition you could make to the officials is to bring in Barnes from mother england. maybe as the tv referee…

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    Excellent call….. ;-)

  • Comment 66, posted at 19.05.10 14:39:49 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Not sure if I like this new format in the S15. That means some teams can miss playing the Bulls, Stormers or Sharks here and some of our teams can miss playing Saders, Canes, Blues, Tahs, Brumbies. That is a advantage for some teams. Also remember some of our teams give away 5 points on the road. Not sure if this will be a totally fair competition like the S14 is right now.
    Would just have kept it the same and added the Rebels to please the Aussies.

    Wont see CC again like we know it either.

  • Comment 67, posted at 19.05.10 15:58:53 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 67) : Add the Reds up there they were very good beating some top sides this year.

  • Comment 68, posted at 19.05.10 16:00:57 by Puma Reply

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  • IF the Conference becomes the CC then it also screws the smaller unions over with 3 of them missing out on a chance to play in the Premier CC.

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  • @KSA Stormer © (Comment 69) : I see that as a very good thing

  • Comment 70, posted at 19.05.10 17:23:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • ROB HERE IS SOME NEWS FOR YOU

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    19/05/2010 13:18:40

    Lionel Mapoe

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    Bloemfontein. – Die kookwater-vleuel Lionel Mapoe vir verlore vir die Vodacom Cheetahs en sal voortaan sy rugby vir die Sharks speel. OFM Sport het vetroulik verneem dat die Springbok Sewes-speler reeds in Durban aangemeld het. Daar was vroeer berigte dat Mapoe en die Vrystaat Rugbyunie in ‘n kontrak-geskil betrokke was en ook berigte dat hy moontlik op pad Bulls is. Mapoe se agent, Jan-Harm van Wyk, wou dit egter by navraag nie bevestig nie en het gese hy kan in die stadium geen kommentaar lewer aangesien die saak sub judice is. Die President van die Vrystaat Rugbyunie, Harold Verster, het op sy beurt gese, Mapoe het ‘n bindende kontrak met die Cheetahs…. Mapoe kon nog nie vir kommentaar opgespoor word nie.

  • Comment 71, posted at 19.05.10 20:05:14 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 71) :

    So the Sharks DID beat the Bulls this season at SOMETHING. :lol:

  • Comment 72, posted at 19.05.10 20:11:04 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • Wow!! Lionel is a great prospect!
    Well done Rudi! :grin:

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  • @KSA Stormer © (Comment 72) : yup hehehe
    hiyas ksa , if this is true a good signing

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  • hiyas wpw boetman :mrgreen:

  • Comment 75, posted at 19.05.10 20:15:05 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Hey sharks lover!! :wink:
    How’s things bru?
    So will u be shouting for the Stormers this wkend?
    Why don’t you change ur nic like KSA has??
    stormer_lover has a nice ring to it don’t you think? :lol:

  • Comment 76, posted at 19.05.10 20:18:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 76) :

    A little GAY ring yes…….

  • Comment 77, posted at 19.05.10 20:20:59 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • @KSA Stormer © (Comment 77) : @wpw (Comment 76) : :lol:

  • Comment 78, posted at 19.05.10 20:21:48 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • will suport the stormers and bulls for sure this weekend ;-)

  • Comment 79, posted at 19.05.10 20:22:24 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • And that’s why u changed yours hey Oubaas?? Lol

  • Comment 80, posted at 19.05.10 20:26:41 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 80) : cuzz he thought he will be gay with you :grin: :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 81, posted at 19.05.10 20:30:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • something i could never be lol :twisted:

  • Comment 82, posted at 19.05.10 20:31:31 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • ooops, and what’s happening here this late night hour? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 83, posted at 19.05.10 20:38:20 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 73) : I would rather have gotten Basson than Mapoe

  • Comment 84, posted at 20.05.10 09:24:32 by Letgo Reply
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