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Sharks show Verster the middle finger, confirm Mapoe signing


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 20 May 2010 at 17:10
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Lionel Mapoe is a Sharks player – it’s done and dusted and the player has signed a 2.5 year contract. That’s according to the KZN Union, anyway.

According to the official press release that came out a few minutes ago, Mapoe terminated his contract with the Cheetahs way back on 9 March as a result of a contractual dispute. He has thus been a free agent since then and has every right to enter into an agreement with the Sharks, for whom he will play in the Currie Cup.

This does, however, fly in the face of statement made recently by Cheetahs president Harold Verster, who maintains that Mapoe has a legally binding contract with the Free State side lasting until October next year. The ball is now in Verster’s court, as the Sharks require him to issue a clearance certificate before Mapoe may play for his new team. My money would be on Verster declining to do so.

Let’s sit back and watch yet another round unfold.



82 Comments

  • How can there be such differnt stories? Weird.

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.05.10 17:37:28 by billy Reply
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  • This brings back memories of Willem Alberts and Louis Ludik.

    From the article when the news of a contractual dispute Mapoe and the Cheetahs originally broke.

    The FSRU’s legal representatives will meet with Mapoe’s on Thursday. The meeting may determine whether Mapoe’s contract is valid or whether he can be contracted by the Bulls for a salary of R1.4 million straight away

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    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2010/03/18/yet-another-contract-dispute/

    look at the date. So it seems his termination of his contract date seems to be accurate.

    Although he still played a match for them after this, so what was the outcome of that meeting of legal representatives???????

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.05.10 17:55:28 by KSA Stormer © Reply
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  • @KSA Stormer © (Comment 2) : Bulls pulling out :?:

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.05.10 18:01:24 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 3) : the difference between us and the Bulls is that they can afford to be choosy and can walk away from a potentially messy situation, knowing there is a long line of guys who want to play for them.

    We don’t have that luxury.

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.05.10 18:07:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 3) :

    WOULD be interesting to know if they pulled out or were outbid.

    Then once we know that, it would also be nice to know if they pulled out because they thought the contract WAS valid.

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.05.10 18:09:32 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : maybe not after this season but I did not think that Sharks do struggle in getting the players. I mean still a good union – I mean financially plus if you are after the lifestyle.

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.05.10 18:11:59 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 6) : Strooli is not rumoured to be the best payer in the business…

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.05.10 18:15:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • From Rugby 365.

    The latest legal battle in the escalating player contract saga is causing concern with the South African Rugby Players’ Union, who are “in discussions” with Sevens Springbok Lionel Mapoe’s agent and attorney.

    In a case congruous to the Willem Alberts and Louis Ludik scenario, the Sharks stand accused of having “stolen” the star Cheetahs wing, Mapoe, who has apparently already joined the Sharks at training this week.

    It continues with the usual “we have a legally binding contract” comments from Verster.

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.05.10 18:19:39 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • @KSA Stormer © (Comment 5) : that indeed is a very pertinent question. or maybe their lawyers not adventurous enough. :lol:

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.05.10 18:22:13 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : so why the guys like JP, DuPs, Beast and the Springboks galore is still with the union. Is it loyalty ?

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.05.10 18:23:30 by rekinek Reply
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  • @KSA Stormer © (Comment 8) : I trust Baldrick will be sending snide messages to Jan de Koning as well about how the Sharks aren’t training this week… :)

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.05.10 18:28:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : :razz: :razz:

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.05.10 18:32:14 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • According to a report I read, Mapoe’s agent approached the Sharks!
    Why is everyone claiming the Sharks poached him from the Cheaters??

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.05.10 19:32:22 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 13) :

    Because the higher the tree the more wind it catches. :razz:

    We are a popular team to be unpopular. ;-)

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.05.10 19:48:43 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • My money is on the Sharks to win the case. :roll:

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.05.10 19:53:50 by McLovin Reply

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  • Think we should offer Oom Frikkie’s services again??
    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.05.10 19:58:17 by wpw Reply
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  • Mapoe is not a great signing anyway…it’s fine, but it’s not really great. I would have been happy if he was a 10, 12, 13…

  • Comment 17, posted at 21.05.10 07:59:51 by Letgo Reply
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  • It just feels like there’s going to be another guy in our VC side waiting to be called up, but never getting a chance. Why did we sign McLeod…he might have played a super rugby season by now or even just a couple of CC seasons if he had signed with another union.

  • Comment 18, posted at 21.05.10 08:01:56 by Letgo Reply
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  • these sharks are getting famous for all the wrong reasons!

  • Comment 19, posted at 21.05.10 08:10:52 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 17) : Mapoe does play 13 BTW

  • Comment 20, posted at 21.05.10 08:28:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 17) : Mapoe is only 21 (I think) big strong fast….what’s your problem??

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.05.10 08:31:45 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 21) : and he’s South African

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.05.10 08:32:58 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 20) : I wasn’t that impressed with him…did I miss something?

    But good news that he can cover 13 for us. After Adi and I guess Stefan we’re looking pretty lean. And they are both nearing the end of their careers, where Mapoe according to everyone else has potential to become a good player.

    It’s not a bad buy, I can see him playing 13 for us. With Stefan covering where he is needed. That’s why Stefan should play for a few more seasons. He won’t mind taking that role, young players wants to settle in one position and start the game.

  • Comment 23, posted at 21.05.10 08:34:40 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 21) : My problem?

    My problem is that I can’t make any trades in my justrugby fantasy team. how could the round be closed…I’d like to improve on my 17th place. C’mon the games are tomorrow, give me a chance to put some Bulls and stormers in my team.

  • Comment 24, posted at 21.05.10 08:39:51 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 23) : ‘That’s why Stefan should play for a few more seasons. He won’t mind taking that role, young players wants to settle in one position and start the game.’ Seriously a few more season’s?? He is going on 36. He’s will then become the Helgaard Muller of the Sharks. He was the 2nd oldest player in the entire S14(by a couple of days) and you want to give him another couple of years?? Maybe in a coaching position but do we really need another ‘backline coach’ that knows nothing about attacking rugby. Look I like Stefan and he’s been great for the Sharks but there is nothing worse than a great player overstaying his welcome and making an ass of himself….just look at carlos Spencer.

  • Comment 25, posted at 21.05.10 08:40:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 21) : Hey…I said it’s fine, I don’t have a problem. Just wish we could sort some of our problem positions.

    But 13 is quite a headache for us so…great.

    And you’re right, he’s young and homegrown (Sa homegrown :mrgreen: ) and he shows potential. With good management he could be a great buy…

    …is that better?

  • Comment 26, posted at 21.05.10 08:40:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 26) : Sorry if that sounded a bit aggressive but you will have to buy talent at some stage and this is a step in the right direction…unlike buying Petoors

  • Comment 27, posted at 21.05.10 08:43:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 19) : I’ll reserve judgement when the facts are known. Mapoe recons he doesn’t have a contract and HE approached the Sharks.

  • Comment 28, posted at 21.05.10 08:45:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Mapoe welcome to our Sharks team me know you’ll be just great
    and my he can run and fast to :mrgreen:

  • Comment 29, posted at 21.05.10 08:46:24 by chaz Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 25) : Dude I totally disagree with you. As long as he takes on a role where he can bring something positive to them team I’m all for older players staying until their bodies just won’t allow them to play anymore.
    Young players benefit a lot from experienced players around them and these days our experienced guys leaves and takes their experience with them to other countries. If Stefan is fit and strong enough to play until he’s 40 and he’s willing to play in a back-up type of role then I’d be pleased to see him there. That is also if his form is good enough to earn him a bench position. I say let the youngsters play him out of the team.

    Maybe if Mapoe and Ludik and Lambie and Swannie and Mvovo and McLeod plays some good rugby this CC and Stefan is kept on the bench…he’ll bow out gracefully and with another CC trophy on his shelf…how does that sound??? :smile:

  • Comment 30, posted at 21.05.10 08:47:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • the voices from Free State are talking abbout legal challenge.

  • Comment 31, posted at 21.05.10 08:49:50 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 27) : Agreed…but it did “READ” a little aggressive…

    …maybe if I heard your pleasantly friendly voice calmly asking me So what’s your problem? Then maybe I would have known that it wasn’t aggressive at all. :smile:

  • Comment 32, posted at 21.05.10 08:50:04 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 30) : Ok maybe on the bench for the Sharks sake..but is that really the way you want to end your career?? I don’t think any professional sportsperson wants to end a highly successful career on the bench of any team.

  • Comment 33, posted at 21.05.10 08:53:32 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 32) : :oops:

  • Comment 34, posted at 21.05.10 08:54:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 30) : The youngsters are already playing him out of the team

  • Comment 35, posted at 21.05.10 08:56:56 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 35) : And that’s a good thing.

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.05.10 08:59:12 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 33) : I wish there was more experienced players like Stefan who would stay for as long as you need them and like Albert vdB…imagine Albert had left a few years earlier or even Stefan had left 2 years ago. Imagine a guy like John Smit stays on in that capacity or for the Bulls Fdp or Victor, bakkies…for the Stormers Schalk…what about Jdv, who comes back only for his own good and then leaves you hanging…butch, we could have won s14 2008 even 09 and 10, but Butch had to leave while he was still the best.

    Everyone wants to go out on a high, but I’ll remember a guy like Butch as the guy who left as hanging not like Stefan who will stay and play where we need him for the good of the team.

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.05.10 09:05:58 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 37) : Leave Stefan where he is, he won’t stay if young players are ready to take over from him.

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.05.10 09:08:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 24) : I’m serious who do I talk to about this…and also could I suggest that we make some adjustments to the trading of players next year or for the CC.

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.05.10 09:10:15 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 39) : Like if a player is injured I’d like to have a free trade to get him out of my team…it doesn’t make sense to have to use your regular trades.

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.05.10 09:11:10 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 37) : can’t really say that Butch left teh Sharks hanging – Freddy was already on the plane.

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.05.10 09:11:27 by rekinek Reply
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  • I have to be honest if i was a Sharks fan i would be a little disconcerted by the goings on at the tank – players want to come play for you but it seems they can’t without some sort of contractual dispute – one surely has to ask – is the player recruitment being handled correctly – or even legally – is it going to give rise to rules stating a Union may not contact a player on contract ala the Premeir league in the UK.

    Seriously – surely its not hard to see that the problem is at an adminstrative level?

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.05.10 09:12:26 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 23) :

    He IS one of the most talented wingers in SA.

    If JP and Habs are available, well then Mapoe will porbably be 3rd choice imo.

    He really is a special talent!!

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.05.10 09:14:46 by wpw Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 40) : And by the semi’s you should be able to pick a new team with only the players in the semi’s available. Otherwise it almost just becomes prediction team. If you pick player only from the four teams that reaches the semi’s, your almost guaranteed to win, but I like selecting the best team possible out of all the s14 teams.

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.05.10 09:16:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 41) : Thus the whole one year solution thing started, how could you say that’s not leaving us hanging. We didn’t have a decent replacement for him on the bench or to take over from him for the next few years and Freddy was never as good as Butch…Butch was the leader in the back line, he made things happen.

  • Comment 45, posted at 21.05.10 09:20:15 by Letgo Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 43) : I’d just have to believe you then…or wait for the CC and see for myself.

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.05.10 09:22:12 by Letgo Reply
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  • Don’t understand why we have an academy if we are not going to back they guys coming through it… I dont rate Mapoe, I think he is a one trick pony. Surely we should be bringing our own guys through. Extremely disheartened with the Sharks…*lots of tears*

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.05.10 09:22:48 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 42) : why should we be disconcerted as Sharks fans, as long as we can field 15 capable players every week, I don’t really care what Straueli does. I’m more disconcerted that we still don’t have a flyhalf that can take us forward…

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.05.10 09:24:03 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 44) : But more importantly…I’d just like to make some trades now…please.

  • Comment 49, posted at 21.05.10 09:26:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • How can we take our administrators seriously when they act like a bunch of kids?

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.05.10 09:26:32 by Morné Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 24) : look out for an announcement

  • Comment 51, posted at 21.05.10 09:39:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 47) : @CapeShark (Comment 48) : I’m with you both…I can be right?

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.05.10 09:40:46 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : :grin:

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.05.10 09:41:18 by Letgo Reply
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  • 205 / 41

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.05.10 09:43:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 39) : you can always email me about it…

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.05.10 09:50:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : okay… :razz:

  • Comment 56, posted at 21.05.10 09:51:52 by Letgo Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 48) : Because its hapzard and given all the signings you have made in the past three years , especially at 10 – which has actually delivered.

  • Comment 57, posted at 21.05.10 10:23:04 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 57) : only Freddy – and that was kind of

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  • Hendrik Cronjé and Jóhann Thormählen

    Bloemfontein – The South African Rugby Players’ Association (SARPA) have been asked to make a call on whether Lionel Mapoe still has a valid contract with the Free State Rugby Union (FSRU).

    Eugene Maqwelana, who is an advisor to SARPA’s members, said their lawyers had viewed Mapoe’s contract with the Cheetahs but first wanted to speak to the wing’s agent, Jan-Harm van Wyk, before issuing a statement.

    According to the FSRU, Mapoe has a standard SARPA player’s contract and the contents could have far-reaching effects on South African rugby as most unions, including the Cheetahs, view the contract as valid.

    However, that did not prevent the Sharks from issuing a statement on Thursday saying that Mapoe would be playing his rugby in Durban for the next two-and-a-half years.

  • Comment 59, posted at 21.05.10 10:54:45 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 59) : still if the contract is valid it does not mean that you cannot validly cancel it.

  • Comment 60, posted at 21.05.10 11:01:12 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 45) : Freddie’s done well IMO. Besides Ruan was to be a solution and then somebody changed whoever’s mind and the revolving door flyhalves started. Nothing to do with Butch IMO. BTW – isn’t he injured again.

  • Comment 61, posted at 21.05.10 11:04:08 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 61) : with FL Sharks always had issues. Didn’t we see Brad and Adi playing FL as well.

  • Comment 62, posted at 21.05.10 11:05:12 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 62) : we did, yeah

  • Comment 63, posted at 21.05.10 11:34:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • Mapoe has loads of talent and he is a very strong runner with good hands. His best position is wing, which is where he has shown his worth, but whether he’s a good enough 13 remains to be seen.

  • Comment 64, posted at 21.05.10 12:04:14 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Hi guys!!!. Long time no see. Who remembered the try that Mapoe scored, showing a little SharkFin above his head???. Was that a hint way back then??? I think that would be a great signiture sign when he scores alot of tries for the Sharks!!!.

    Welcome welcome Mapoe and i think we should nickname him The Shark!.

  • Comment 65, posted at 21.05.10 12:23:46 by The Shark Reply

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  • What does “IMO” mean? :???:

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 66) : In My Opinion

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 66) : In My Opinion. :wink:

  • Comment 68, posted at 21.05.10 12:36:44 by Ice Reply
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  • Sigh! Thank you so much …..now I can stop feeling crazy when I read it.

  • Comment 69, posted at 21.05.10 15:10:58 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 69) :

    brb – be right back
    imho – in my humble opinion
    btw – by the way

    and my personal favourite

    tsar – the stormers are rubbish :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 70, posted at 21.05.10 15:15:06 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 70) : @Just a Fan (Comment 69) :

    hahaha…. you two crack me up

    PS tsar ;-)

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  • @Letgo (Comment 40) : @robdylan (Comment 51) :

    I want FL left exactly the way it is……

    ….if we start getting free trades for injured players it makes it an admin. nightmare.

    Case and point Corey Flynn he breaks his arm 3 times a season but somehow always seems to pop up again.

    …the skill is actually predicting who will make the Semis.

    ….if you selected Stormers and tahs players during the season well done to you.

    …loading your team full of Bulls does not guarantee success.

    ….PS I’ve selected my FL Team for next season already>

    Rob…thank you for providing it.

    …..i think one of the beauties of this competition is it’s simplicity….start getting to complicated and it will turn people off.

    Love it….

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  • @wpw (Comment 70) :
    tsar when playing against the Sharks for the last 5 years.

  • Comment 73, posted at 21.05.10 15:30:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 72) : Agree on the format of FL – please do not go and change a working formula. :grin:

  • Comment 74, posted at 21.05.10 15:35:25 by diablo (We'll battle ALL on the beaches, We'll battle All in Orlando) Reply

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  • @diablo (We’ll battle ALL on the beaches, We’ll battle All in Orlando) (Comment 74) :

    If it’s not broken don’t try and fix it ! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    I loved your team from the outset i thought you would have been right up there with all the Bulls success !

  • Comment 75, posted at 21.05.10 15:39:43 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @diablo (We’ll battle ALL on the beaches, We’ll battle All in Orlando) (Comment 74) :

    What place are you and how many players do you have involved this weekend. :?:

  • Comment 76, posted at 21.05.10 15:40:30 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 76) : Not doing so good – think 37 :roll: – novice at these games so I basically loaded my team with players whom I thought would be in the final :mrgreen:

  • Comment 77, posted at 21.05.10 15:43:21 by diablo (We'll battle ALL on the beaches, We'll battle All in Orlando) Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 73) :

    Please dont remind me!! :roll:

  • Comment 78, posted at 21.05.10 15:50:50 by wpw Reply
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  • @diablo (We’ll battle ALL on the beaches, We’ll battle All in Orlando) (Comment 77) : You had the right idea ….just a little fine tuning required. ;-)

    Good luck tomorrow i think you may need a touch ;-)

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  • @wpw (Comment 78) :

    ttar :idea:

  • Comment 80, posted at 21.05.10 15:51:56 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 79) : Should have put in more Bulls :?: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 81, posted at 21.05.10 15:55:51 by diablo (We'll battle ALL on the beaches, We'll battle All in Orlando) Reply

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  • @diablo (We’ll battle ALL on the beaches, We’ll battle All in Orlando) (Comment 81) :

    That was just about impossible wasn’t it !

  • Comment 82, posted at 21.05.10 18:42:55 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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