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CJ returns to Bloemfontein


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Original Content, Springboks on 25 May 2010 at 08:00
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Bok tighthead prop CJ van der Linde has announced that he will return to South Africa from Leinster in Ireland and be available to represent his former team, the Cheetahs, in the 2010 Currie Cup.

The 58-test veteran, who has been selected to play loosehead prop against Wales next weekend, has become the latest seasoned international to return to South Africa in the hope of winning a place in the 2011 World Cup squad. The Cheetahs had to rely on the help of SA Rugby, though, in order to make the move financially viable for van der Linde. He has signed contracts with both unions up until the end of 2011, at which point he should be ready for another massive European payday.

With SA Rugby yet to release any meaningful details about which Bok players are to be rested this Currie Cup, though, it remains to be seen whether van der Linde will be given the opportunity to pull on the white jersey this season. One would think that, having just completed a full northern hemisphere season, he would be a prime target for a few months with his feet up.

One player who definitely won’t play for the Cheetahs again is Wian du Preez. The once-capped loosehead has decided to continue his career in Ireland, having apparently grown frustrated at the lack of international opportunity he’s received. Despite being consistently touted as the strongest prop in South Africa, du Preez had his ass handed to him by Italy’s Martin Castrogiovanni in his solitary test appearance last year.



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  • see some players want to be in the squad and making an effort by coming back to play in sa. others are leaving before the rwc expecting to be selected eventhough p div has said foreign based players aren’t going to be the first selected. some players are suicidal. both frans and ruan could be players that could win 3 rwc medals as they are young enough to make the next world cup as well, but their stupidity could cost them that opportunity.

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.05.10 08:22:06 by try time Reply
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  • his ass handed to him… :lol: , very technical.

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.05.10 08:24:07 by Letgo Reply
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  • Cheers Wian, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.05.10 08:24:32 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 1) : I think it’s almost their way of saying…”try and do it without us and see how far you get”…and unfortunately for all of us, if to many of those quality players stays abroad, we might just have to give them what they want and select them anyway.

    Jdv, Frans and Ruan…three key players, or at least 2 of them is key. I’m hoping Jean will come back as expected and Ruan will stay and somehow Frans will be convinced to come back too.

    The only problem is, it will all be temporary as they will leave right after the world cup. SA rugby should be even more strict on this and say you have two play at least to seasons of rugby in SA before you’ll get selected again…that will make them think twice before they leave.

    Because now they go almost just to get paid more by SA teams when the Bok coach wants them back in the team, but if they had to play 2 years of rugby in SA after playing rugby abroad, that would mean they basically close that door for themselves. I would not let these guys toy with me. See how they flock back when they realise they are giving up their Bok dream.

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.05.10 08:33:45 by Letgo Reply
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  • we don’t really need ruan. he is a great player to have in your squad, but we can do without him.

    we beat the lions and won the tri nations last year without frans.

    so basically if they stay overseas, p div would be silly in selecting them, as he is telling his team that these guys are bigger than the team.

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.05.10 08:36:58 by try time Reply

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  • I don’t reckon CJ is good enough to warrant any extra effort on SA Rugby’s behalf. He’s always been a soft tighthead and we have plenty of looseheads playing locally who are just as good, if not better

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.05.10 08:39:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • How many players has gone over just to come back with a bigger salary. John, Victor now Jean and if Pdv wants to select Butch then the same will happen for him. It’s becoming a trend. And if SA rugby can pay a player more to come back then any player who thinks they are valuable enough to them team will either demand…or lets say request more money, or go abroad and force the coaches hand.

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.05.10 08:39:55 by Letgo Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 5) : Yes but he’s already trying to get them back in SA and that will mean all of them will get a higher salary.

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.05.10 08:41:33 by Letgo Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 5) : Surely you mean we beat the lions and won the trinations WITH Frans, as any statement to the contrary is wildly inaccurate!

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.05.10 08:41:51 by neilster Reply

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  • @neilster (Comment 9) : i am a dumbass you are right. i thought he left the year before. i added a year onto my life.

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.05.10 08:44:23 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : Even CJ who, after he left, never really left a gap, will now be payed more than before he left SA.

    They have agents or managers and more and more of them will be advised to leave to open up some options for themselves…and if you don’t get the call back, it probably just means that you never were that good in the first place.

    Percy, another player that knew leaving won’t mean the end of their careers if they are good enough to leave a gap in the team.

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.05.10 08:45:48 by Letgo Reply
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  • @neilster (Comment 9) : That’s true and he had a big part in the Tri-nations, especially that last game against the AB’s

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.05.10 08:46:51 by Letgo Reply
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  • If ruan and frans have issues with this coach too (they seem to have issues with a lot of coaches, now that I think about it) then they will be better off not playing under him. That’s kind of the way it goes. We will be ok without them

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.05.10 08:47:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • So just in case it’s not clear, I wholly support the policy of not picking foreign-based players. I wish they would enforce a blanket ban.

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.05.10 08:51:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 7) : No matter how much the players are getting paid in South Africa it is no where near what they can make in Europe. Of course they are going to be paid more because they have more experience and can command a higher salary.

    I don’t think the players leave to go overseas with the intention of coming back to SA to get a higher salary. They go overseas to play for the big money and the different experience. It is difficult for anyone to turn down a job that is willing to play them 2, 3 or even 4 times what they are making.

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.05.10 08:52:57 by lostfish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : We need a “retweet” button here :lol:

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.05.10 08:53:46 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • How CJ got to 58 Bok caps is beyond me. :shock:

    Similar to Ollie Le Roux’s 60 odd caps for the Boks, mostly as a substitute I might add!! :roll:

    Rob, I’m glad we agree on this one!!

    Now I just need to convince you that Peter Grant should be back up to Morne Steyn!! :twisted:

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.05.10 08:57:26 by wpw Reply
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  • This trend will continue and grow, what will players do if you tell them…”any player who does not play all their rugby in SA directly after the 2011 WC will not be eligible to play for the Boks in any rugby during the four years leading up to the 2015 WC and will also not be eligible to take part in that 2015 WC for the Boks, will you really find form players who still has aspirations to play for the Boks leaving the country…???

    I don’t think so. Matfield and John should have been left in Europe, make an example of these players. Bringing them back just confirmed what these players knew right from the start…loopholes can be created and will be created for certain players.

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.05.10 08:58:21 by Letgo Reply
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  • Just gimme a +1 and I’ll be happy ;)

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.05.10 08:58:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 18) : If your not gonna stick to your guns, then just leave it all together, your a joke if you keep telling players you won’t be selected, but you select them anyway.

    It’s like telling a kid I’m going to take away your candy if you jump on your bed, but you never take away the candy…that kid will keep jumping on his bed and laugh at you when you threaten him again.

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.05.10 09:05:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 15) : Yes they will always get paid less in SA than in Europe, but the thing you should look at is their salary increase from the point they left to when they got back, this is with the added bonus of being back home, close to your family and playing for the Boks…why do we reward these players. They made the decision, let them live with it.

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.05.10 09:08:16 by Letgo Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 17) :
    He was great on Saturday.

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.05.10 09:12:05 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 5) : You cant be serious! Did you not watch the last match SA vs NZ..Frans kicked three MONSTER penalties… We did so badly in the end of year tours because we DIDNT have Frans.

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.05.10 09:34:02 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : I dont understand why there is this “thing” about picking overseas based players…The guys are getting trained an coached on someone elses dime and they are getting game time and huge experience…name one player who DIDNT come back from overseas a better player… and for every guy that goes overseas to play it means that someone else can now be trained up in SA….it just improves the depth.

    And pluuueeasseee don’t spin the yarn about “local role models”…because S14 and Bok rugby is still only available to the elite because SARU have just signed another deal with Supersport…I don’t think we even get the curry cup on SABC anymore.

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.05.10 09:39:40 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • Great to have CJ back. Not the best scrumming 3 though. We need BJ for that but CJ more than capable and vastly experienced.

    Pity to lose Wian Du Preez but Beast, Guthro, Smitty, CJ and even perhaps a fit again Heinke Van der Merwe are all better bets at 1 IMO.

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.05.10 09:57:39 by Oubaas2009 Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 24) : to be honest, though, your agenda and position on anything is very much driven by “what’s best for Frans Steyn” :) Don’t think I’ve ever encountered a blogger more fixated with a single player. I thought I was bad with my Barrittmania, but it seems I have plenty to learn.

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.05.10 10:30:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Unashamedly a Frans fanatic – BUT I have always had the same point of view regarding overseas players…..it doesn’t make sense to me to limit our own talent. I also am pissed with Saru for only get a pay tv deal…..

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.05.10 10:47:35 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • To be honest my “frans-atism” also clouds my vision when it comes to PDV – they guy has NO clue. :razz:

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.05.10 10:50:12 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 28) : his collection of medals say otherwise :)

    Sorry, but the PDV-naysayer brigade has been well-and-truly shown up over the last two years. The only ones still on about that aren’t sharp enough to realise they’ve lost the argument :)

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.05.10 10:56:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : Sorry – he has been saved by his team ….:) Sorry as long as we lost 2008 3N’s with the World Cup team, made STUPID STUPID STUPID TEAM substitutions that almost cost us 2 British/Irish games, and prevented us from getting a white wash because of the team selection for the 3rd game (Seriously we caught so much flack from the British media and players, we really just needed to just stick it to them..but we kept giving them fodder for the fuel)…He NEVER wanted to select Morne Steyn or Heinrich Broussow (sp?)….providence had to intervene to get them on the team – and look what a revelation they have been. His persistence to pick Panic Mechanic is mind boggling…His vocal mutterings are WELL document across the world wide web and are generally filed under “village idiot”…
    Yes we have won the tri-nations in 2009, and we did win the British & Irish Lions tour…..but we have been crippled by PDV, from being the best of what we can be.
    And I haven’t even touched on why, IMO, it is PDV’s fault that Frans Steyn signed a overseas deal until PDV’s coaching tenure is over.

    I will give him credit though for fetching and keeping John Smit back.

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.05.10 11:13:03 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 30) : …um…Morne Steyn is not a revelation, just because of that I have to discredit every comment you have until you retract that particular statement. :grin: ;-)

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.05.10 11:18:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 2) : Indeed. Expert analysis/ :lol:

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.05.10 11:26:22 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 30) : Ai voitog :roll:

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.05.10 11:27:26 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 31) : Sorry – but he as proved WAY better than the guy he replaced – Ruan was it? ;-) ……but you know it is all IMO :lol:

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.05.10 11:30:44 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 32) : when you’ve got it, you’ve got it, dude… :)

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.05.10 11:39:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 34) : all he did was kick better than Ruan…

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.05.10 11:39:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 34) :

    JAF

    Are you sure that is YOUR opinion?? ;-)

    It seems to me you are just rehashing what the PDV naysayers in the media have been spewing.

    How about forming your own opinion and then we might just take you more seriously!! :twisted:

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.05.10 11:43:52 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) :
    Exactly. @robdylan (Comment 13) : Maybe it has sth. with their daddies?
    Anyway I don,t like the way PDV treated Ruan. Ruan is an artist on the pitch you must give him freedom to perform and trust him.
    As for his place kicking he explained it that he had problems because of his knee while PDV and Monty ( a coach with no coach experience) claimed that it was mental issue and that they didn’t know what was wrong with Ruan’s kicking.

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.05.10 12:03:47 by tedanica Reply
     
  • @tedanica (Comment 38) : I think PDV treated Ruan shockingly, but other coaches have also treated players badly in the past. This is a stick with which I will beat him, but I won’t make incorrect extrapolations about his coaching ability as a result

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.05.10 12:10:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 37) : Hmmm…so what you are really saying is that my opinion must conform to YOUR opinion…otherwise it isn’t MY opinion.

    Thanks, but I am quite capable of making my own opinions. :roll:

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.05.10 12:15:34 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) :D ont get me wrong – huge Ruan fan…but kicking better that Ruan saved our asses a fair few times…

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.05.10 12:16:30 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 40) :

    Nope.

    What I meant was that most of what you’re saying is identical to what the likes of KEO, Gavin Rich, etc have said about PDV.

    The whole Brussow and Steyn argument is ridiculous.
    Of course he was going to select them based on their performances in the S14. Why would he not select them??

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.05.10 12:24:30 by wpw Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 40) : good point. Vat so, Wesali!

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.05.10 12:26:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • Don’t read Keo or Gavin Rich…..why would I do that to myself. And no he wasn’t going to select them – they weren’t even on the bench until Scalk and Ruan injured.

  • Comment 44, posted at 25.05.10 12:27:17 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 44) :

    Maybe thats because they were the Bok incumbents!!

    I bet you Div will still select Matfield ahead of Bekker even though Andries has been the top lock forward in this year’s S14.

    He is very loyal to most of his players!!

  • Comment 45, posted at 25.05.10 12:38:48 by wpw Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 41) :
    That’s good!You can’t be Fransie,s fan and not Ruan’s !

  • Comment 46, posted at 25.05.10 12:40:17 by tedanica Reply
     
  • @tedanica (Comment 46) : but the opposite is not true. I am a Ruan fan, but have very little time for Frans

  • Comment 47, posted at 25.05.10 13:22:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 45) :
    Bekker wasnt very good against the Sharks though. :razz:

  • Comment 48, posted at 25.05.10 14:06:06 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : :grin:
    You wanted to say you have no love lost for Frans I presume ;-)
    I personally would like to see both of them in Sprinboks. Maybe the team can survive without them but definitely esthetic value will suffer… Sorry but I cannot fall in love with FDP or Zane Kirchner. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 25.05.10 14:06:41 by tedanica Reply
     
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 48) :

    1 game?? :roll:

    Well you just go ahead and enjoy your ONE decent victory (and bragging rights I admit) and we’ll enjoy our S14 final!! :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 50, posted at 25.05.10 14:17:31 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 50) : Thats all Ive got.
    But the total domination exhibited over the much fancied, but withering, Stormers will see me through for another week or 2. :twisted:

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 51) :

    hehehe
    Bastard!!! ;-) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 52, posted at 25.05.10 14:57:24 by wpw Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 30) :

    I can’t believe i agree with you ! ;-) @wpw (Comment 37) :

    I’m impressed the way you back up PDV. ( Someone in the World has to)

    When i compare him to say our three Coaches and their pathways to their current positions….i just can’t see how he is in the job.

    It’s like picking your Under 21 Coach because he won the World Tournament.

    PS He is blessed with an exceptional current crop of players with great leadership from within the team.

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  • @wpw (Comment 45) :

    Let’s hope it’s blind loyalty ! :cool:

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 48) :

    Bekker reminds me a bit of J. Lomu….a excellent forward but makes more of an impact on the wing ! ;-)

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 53) :

    All I have to sat on the matter is have a look at his record as Bok coach!!

    I rest my case!! :roll: :twisted:

  • Comment 56, posted at 25.05.10 15:27:11 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 56) :

    Very true …you can’t argue with that.

    ….handy when you inherit the number 1 ranked team in the world though.

    Do you think he will roll out the same side that played in the last RWC Final or will there be a overhaul of playing options.

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  • @wpw (Comment 56) :

    On a serious note do you think he can get away with picking the same side as Jake White picked 4 Years ago for next years RWC

    ….or do you think he has to make some tough decisions.

    …like you say he is very loyal

    ….will it be a weakness next year.

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 57) :

    I think the squad is very settled and there shouldnt be many changes unless of course some players lose form drastically.

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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : :shock: why don’t you like F Steyn :roll: he great and well let me say they are both great

  • Comment 60, posted at 25.05.10 15:42:28 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 50) : and win win win and then the BB will be very quite for a while :mrgreen:

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 58) :

    I dont think so. There’s quite a few tests between now and the RWC next year.

    Anything can happen, players lose form, others retire or move overseas.

    I think the bulk of the squad will be the core players like

    Smit, Matfield, Habana, Bakkies, FDP, Brussow, M Steyn, JP, Fourie, JDV, Smith, Burger, Bismarck, Frans, Ruan.

    The positions available:
    Back up centre
    Back up wingers
    Back up fullback (if Frans is available)
    Back up scrumhalf
    Back up flyhalf
    Back up props

    Damn that’s a whole team!!!

  • Comment 62, posted at 25.05.10 15:44:40 by wpw Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 58) :
    I think that his loyalty to certain players is his weakness.Some places are granted regardless of form . I also not buy in this story of players’ coach. Last Nov. they were so happy and relaxed with their families aside that they lost everthing. In addition I suspect that some senior players dictate how and with whom they want to play.

  • Comment 63, posted at 25.05.10 15:53:09 by tedanica Reply
     
  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 55) :
    I see the resembelance.

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 53) :
    Woo hooo, you are starting to unravel the secret to winning the world cup. Its got to do with that winning under 21 coach. Find him,then be brave enough to appoint him and you are threquarters of the way there.

  • Comment 65, posted at 25.05.10 16:28:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @stormy chaz (Comment 60) : his attitude is and always was KAK. There’s more to greatness than just ability.

  • Comment 66, posted at 25.05.10 16:29:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 62) : are you going for the backup props position?

  • Comment 67, posted at 25.05.10 16:29:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : oh yes thats true and another thing he likes to play for himself but still a good player
    OH can i ask you sth do you like soccer and if yes are SW going to have a pool just asking for the WC 2010 :???:

  • Comment 68, posted at 25.05.10 16:34:11 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 62) : i think M Steyn is a much better player as F Steyn in general :!:

  • Comment 69, posted at 25.05.10 16:37:29 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 62) :

    Other than not really being sure who you will go with at loose and tighthead.

    I think your Starting 15 is settled.

    I think the RWC Squads are allowed to be 30 players.

    So don’t you think PDV will pick almost exactly the same side as 4 years ago…..would you be worried about that if there were form issues ?

    i.e JP Pietersen

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  • @wpw (Comment 62) :

    I’m not that interested in the back up 8 players

    ….all i’m focussing on is the Playing 22

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  • @tedanica (Comment 63) :

    Interesting ….he gives outsiders the impression that he is not the one calling the shots.

    …..but then again maybe thats his style

    ….what ever at the moment he has the winning formula

    …… and a great resource base :cool:

  • Comment 72, posted at 25.05.10 18:28:49 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 64) :
    I will have to have a look at your winning 22 from RWC 2007

    ….just so i can see if there are any similarities

    I will then compare it to ours ! :???:

  • Comment 73, posted at 25.05.10 18:30:56 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 65) :

    If we picked a winning under 21 coach as the national coach
    …. it would change every year ! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 74, posted at 25.05.10 18:32:28 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) :

    …that’s harsh ! :cool:

  • Comment 75, posted at 25.05.10 18:33:28 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • I see someone is really after that LMS Cup!
    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 76, posted at 25.05.10 18:46:16 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 76) :

    Your going to take some beating….but you have to be in to win ! ;-)

  • Comment 77, posted at 25.05.10 18:57:16 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 76) : he doesn’t like the pen and paper :lol:

  • Comment 78, posted at 25.05.10 19:25:51 by stormy chaz Reply

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