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Situation critical


Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 25 May 2010 at 10:05
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For years the Sharks have lead South African rugby, if not world rugby, in the way they market their brand and team oozing success at all levels, but it seems to me that lately they are doing their level best to destroy all this.

Twenty years ago the Sharks emerged from South African rugby’s version of middle-earth in the most spectacular fashion, winning the Currie Cup in their centenary year in a spectacular final against the much fancied Blue Bulls.

Since that day, Sharks rugby went from strength to strength and basically ruled rugby on the local scene in the 1990’s, creating one of the most powerful brands in world rugby.

Not only did they control things on the pitch producing Springboks left, right and center, but their administration was the envy of rugby unions all over the world.  It was the union everyone wanted to play for or become like.

Now fast forward to today.

In recent years the Sharks have fumbled and stumbled both on and off the pitch.

Sure there was successes in reaching the 2007 Super 14 final and winning the Currie Cup in 2008, but in-between and following that one cannot help think that the Sharks brand and playing ability have slowly regressed to the point where even the most ardent of supporter has to be asking himself what the hell the union is up to?

They have lost players (not always under the best of circumstances) the likes of Brad Barritt (top performer in the Guinness Premier League currently), Frans Steyn (revelation in the French Top 14) and Butch James who recently was very critical about the union and the way they deal with people.

Then there was the hired guns in Hernandez, Goode and now Pretorius it seems who if we are honest, failed and/or boggled the mind…  Even the acquisition of Steve Meyer left a very sour taste after he inexplicably retired from rugby just after arriving in Durban.

To add to all this we had the very public and very ugly legal wrangling between the Sharks and the Lions regarding the services of Louis Ludik (who has yet to prove his worth in gold) and Willem Alberts.  They did win both those battles, but the lessons learned from these two situation should surely have taught and prepared the Sharks for their dealings with Lionel Mapoe which has now also gone the legal dispute route with the Cheetahs president, Harold Verster, insisting that Mapoe is legally contracted to the Cheetahs and they will not give him a release certificate.

Now all of a sudden rumours are also flying around that the Sharks are set to lose their inspirational skipper and stalwart John Smit and yet another talented back in Ruan Pienaar.

It is also not really an option for the Sharks union to hide their apparent administrative shortcomings and fall back on or point to recent performances on the field since that too has frankly been rubbish of late where they were knocked out in the semi-finals of the Currie Cup last year by the Cheetahs and only managed a disappointing 9th on the Super 14 log.

And whether true or untrue, rumours about rifts in the Sharks camp has not helped their cause in any way.

Essentially, the once powerful and successful PR machine at work in the Sharks which created that enviable brand in the early 90’s and early 21st century has all but disappeared as the union seem to struggle from one legal battle to the next, squashing unsavoury rumours or trying to justify player performances.

Sitting from the outside looking in, it seems the Sharks management and administration failed to move with the times failing to re-invent themselves to stay ahead of the pack in what now has become to a neutral observer nothing more than an outdated old boys club.

The Sharks are too good and too important for SA Rugby to continue the way they are doing now, and it is about time someone does something about it.



132 Comments

  • Agreed to all the above Morne. But have to ask Rob where the thread re John and Ruan leaving has gone to? Has it been pulled cos it might not be thrue? Man I really really hope so.

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.05.10 10:14:04 by perran_dw Reply
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  • @perran_dw (Comment 1) : Wots Thrue? Should be true. :oops:

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.05.10 10:15:29 by perran_dw Reply
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  • ‘Dolf strikes again.

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.05.10 10:24:39 by Oubaas2009 Reply
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  • @perran_dw (Comment 1) : it hasn’t gone anywhere… just no longer on the front page cos we have more recent news up.

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.05.10 10:40:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • regarding legal battles : it takes two to tango ….

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.05.10 10:40:52 by rekinek Reply
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  • @perran_dw (Comment 1) : archives. :razz:

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.05.10 10:41:42 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 5) :

    Of course, but as a footnote it was mentioned that the Bulls tried to contract Mapoe a couple of months back – it became obvious he was still under contract and they backed off.

    There are way to do things and then there is the right way to do things – just my opinion.

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.05.10 10:48:52 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 7) : perhaps couple of months ago he was… perhaps something happened over this time… perhaps … perhaps

    I am willing to accept that maybe the Sharks should come out of the woods and explain the situation better and through good PR ensure a better perception of the whole matter. But I can also imagine attorneys telling them “just whatever you do do not talk to the press”.

    Then again it seems that if somebody seems to be determined to dislike sharks (and please do not think that I mean you :grin: ) good PR would help little.

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.05.10 10:55:05 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 8) :

    Yeah my main bitching is about their PR afterall…

    I just find it interesting that the happiest, and most successful union in SA (the Bulls) are the only ones who are squeeky clean wrt to issues like these…

    Much like the Sharks of the 90′s…

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.05.10 10:59:43 by Morné Reply
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  • I’ve been asking myself this question for a while now… “if I was a high profile player, would I be interested if approached by the Sharks?”… this article is my answer…

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.05.10 11:00:26 by catfish Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 9) :
    And yet the Bulls have lost Bryan Habana, and are going to lose Fourie du Preez – two seriously high profile players. The difference is that there is no negative spin regarding their leaving but surely if someone at naspers wanted to be malicious they could start writing articles about how the cracks are starting to appear in the Blou Bul kraal.

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.05.10 11:24:06 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • The signs were on the wall when David Campese left…as irritating as he maybe to us, I think his input was invaluable to the team – but the reasons he left (because he wanted to stay), showed that the Sharks management believe that they are a gift from the rugby gods and therefore can do no wrong. It doesn’t make sense that with such a great environment players would want to leave – especially guys like John and Ruan, and ESPECIALLY not before a world cup and ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY not to another vastly under-performing local franchise.

    There is rot there, just wonder how much further the Sharks have to fall, before it gets rooted out.

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.05.10 11:24:44 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • Three words – New commercial manager.

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.05.10 11:29:13 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 12) :
    Where is the great Campese today?
    But, yes the Sharks did have a potent backline then.

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.05.10 11:32:06 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 11) : Incorrect – anyone with a brain – i am not suggesting yours is missing – would understand that the current crop of players were all going to go and make cash post 2011. Fourie Du Preez and the Bulls have been on the same page on this for a year already. Can the same be said for the people leaving the tank?

    What i find more disconcerting about the Sharks is the disapperance of the acadamey – it looked like it was going to be a veritable conveyor belt of talent – and its stalled. Apart from Lambie – i cannot think of one young talented player that hasn’t been snaffled from another union.

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.05.10 11:32:59 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @catfish (Comment 10) : Yes I would, for sure…man this is not a good place to be when the chips are down for our Sharkies. We’ve been playing good rugby since 05/06 and before that up until 01, so we had 4 lean years and now we’re struggling a little, but it’s nothing to get this upset about.

    Why don’t we just see it as a chance for our youngsters…who we’ve been begging chances for…to show what they’re made of.

    And as far as the contracts go. Other teams have had the same type of thing. Unions wants to hold on to players long after they want to be there. And if you keep winning the legal battles, it probably means the other teams involved in this situations was just petty and sour because of losing another one of their top players. You don’t see bigger more successful unions going on like this when players sign with new teams.

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.05.10 11:33:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 11) :

    Well the answer is quite simple.

    The Bulls PR machine is working like a well-oiled machine, and Ian Schwartz, their high performance or commercial manager responsible for this is one of the most professional people in rugby administration you could wish to meet.

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.05.10 11:33:58 by Morné Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 14) : To be honest not too sure…he has articles that pop up on The Roar every now and then….but that is all I know.

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.05.10 11:34:44 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 16) : “Why don’t we just see it as a chance for our youngsters…who we’ve been begging chances for…to show what they’re made of.”
    But they aren’t giving the youngsters the chance though are they…

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.05.10 11:37:51 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • As everyone feels free to climb into the doings of the Sharks players and their management regarding all the rumours flying around Id like to know if anyone has actually bothered to contact the union for their response.

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.05.10 11:38:02 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) : speaking of which…. I’m going to try do just that

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.05.10 11:40:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 18) :
    I heard he was running a hardware (I think) shop somewhere in Aussie – but not active in coaching at a high level.

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.05.10 11:41:50 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) :

    And I wish you the best of luck sir…

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.05.10 11:42:36 by Morné Reply
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  • sorry, but I don’t buy the Campese thing. History is shown that he simply cannot work with ANYONE. Can’t blame the Sharks for that one.

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.05.10 11:45:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 23) : ha ha… you’re telling me I stand no chance, aren’t you? :)

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.05.10 11:46:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) : Yea but when he wasn’t working with anyone – you guys actually had a backline that has been in serious decline since then.

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.05.10 11:47:40 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 15) : Lwazi Mvovo…

    But let’s be fair… a huge number of the guys that are established Sharks stars came through the Academy… Beast, Hargreaves, Daniel, Kankowski, Pietersen, Swanepeol…

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.05.10 11:48:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : add Sykes, Burden, Vulindlu

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.05.10 11:50:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) :

    :lol:

    Yup!

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.05.10 11:51:34 by Morné Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 26) : was it him, or was it Muir?

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.05.10 11:52:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : I was not aware thats a fairly good return – coaching issue?

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.05.10 11:53:20 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 15) :
    True, but still they are members of this very well run machine which is the Bulls where everyone is family etc, but still they have left and will leave. What Im trying to say is that if the carrot is big enough most will be interested – its hunan, but does it mean that the whole pack cards is now going to tumble down.
    But who is leaving the Sharks, at the moment Smit and Pienaar are said to be leaving – as reported by naspers on Saturday but not carried in Sunday papers or since.

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.05.10 11:53:24 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 29) : I’m composing an email in my head as we speak… let’s see how convincing I can be

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.05.10 11:56:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : Well i always had a good deal of respect for Dick – especially when he was a player at WP he was responsible for getting out backline moving – so it could be a combo of the two.

    That said i lost alot of respect for Dick this Super14 – he needed to man up and let the players know they weren’t delivering – not say – all is well – we on a roadmap to glory.

    Unless the Lions plan was to get the worst record in Super 14 for the trophy cabinet

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.05.10 11:56:29 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 31) : yes. Muir was too keen to bring in youngsters, whereas Plum never does it. You sort of need some middle ground.

    There is, however, a systematic coaching failure across the entire Sharks system. NONE of the teams have a clue how to coach backs!

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.05.10 11:57:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 29) :
    That sucks, but then at least say in your article that the concerns were put to the Sharks management and that they refused to comment, that would be fair on all.

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.05.10 11:58:58 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 11) : agree with you 100%. why not all the fuss? because Blue Bulls Co was the first to run the stories of them leaving and wishing them all the best. We only hear of news from the sharks 4 weeks after it had happened.

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.05.10 11:59:03 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 34) : mission accomplished :)

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.05.10 12:03:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : :lol: Indeed. Best Worst team ever

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.05.10 12:08:47 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) :

    Just tell them you want an opportunity to get their side of the story to squash any and all rumours doing the rounds which is damaging the Sharks reputation – you are the premier Sharks web resource afterall.

    @Salmonoid (Comment 36) :

    Sal,

    The above is an opinionated piece. It delivers my personal views on the Sharks rugby union without me directly accusing the union of anything (apart from the final paragraphs of the piece giving my personal opinion) or directly reporting on any of the matters highlighted in the article.

    Those are quite easily found on the web for everyone, reported on by journalists.

    Just how am I or anyone supposed to ask the Sharks for a response someone else reported on in the first place?

    The Sharks can easily, like the Bulls, issue media statements on issues relevant to the union like any of the above stories or rumours if they want – exactly what the Bulls do and did every single time a rumour surfaces of a player leaving, them losing their emblem, name, issues with structures or anything reported in the media.

    Comes down to my point initially about the Sharks PR machine rather playing hide and seek than come out and clearing the air.

    And for the record, historically getting any response from the Sharks media office on even the most trivial issues are only superceded in incompetence by WP rugby and their so-called media manager and the Lions administration.

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.05.10 12:09:46 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : See! We do agree on something. :lol:

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.05.10 12:10:04 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 37) :

    What he said.

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.05.10 12:11:48 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 40) : so the Sharks are only third worse? :)

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.05.10 12:14:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 41) : yay! :) I blame it all on Frans Steyn… :)

  • Comment 44, posted at 25.05.10 12:15:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) :

    Mate the WP/Stormers clowns have fallen off the degree of incompetence table.

    They have to now be referred to as incompetent squared or to the power of whatever.

  • Comment 45, posted at 25.05.10 12:18:00 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : :razz:

  • Comment 46, posted at 25.05.10 12:19:04 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : Muir has clearly proven this year that it wasn’t him. Muir’s redeeming quality is that he isnt afraid to bring in the fresh meat…someone else needs to coach though.

  • Comment 47, posted at 25.05.10 12:20:28 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 40) :
    Thanks for the reply.

  • Comment 48, posted at 25.05.10 12:34:00 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • The problem is that there is a certain negativity surounding the Sharks union. Whether the negativity is press driven or really a union driven problem is the question. The Sharks have been in the press this year for all the wrong reasons and it is starting to take it’s toll on the fans. It was for this reason that I also asked yesterday on the “John and Ruan leaving” article who is to blame for all of this. Surely the share holders can see that the negative press is not in the unions best interest and must take control of the situation.

    As a fan I’m really concerned and hope that the powers that be can turn this around, even if it means that heads must roll.

  • Comment 49, posted at 25.05.10 13:01:48 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 49) : When the Butch issue arose with regards to him being treated badly by the sharks, there was the other side fo the story presented from the Sharks and why matters weren’t resolved.

    Keo then ran the same story – without the Sharks response.

    So yes, you could say there is a certain amount of press-driven negativity. I would go as far as to say there is a directive to portray them negatitvely in every article concerning them.

    The slant is certainly negative in everything they say WRT the sharks.

  • Comment 50, posted at 25.05.10 13:22:18 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 50) : the directive would refer to that website, not necessarily every other.

  • Comment 51, posted at 25.05.10 13:23:17 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 50) : agree with you, in that case, the Sharks’ response was a good one and I for one believed them.

  • Comment 52, posted at 25.05.10 13:28:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) :

    From what I heard the issue was never really that they never contracted Butch because of his price, but that it was never properly communicated to Butch or his agent that they will seize negotiations thus leaving an air of expectation from Butch that things were still ongoing.

  • Comment 53, posted at 25.05.10 13:33:32 by Morné Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 50) : There is a reason for that – not necesarily the correct one – at the time it struck me more as a pissing contest – after a particulalry negative piece in SA rugby magazine by Simon Borchard – the Sharks declined just about every interview with the website and or magazine – not exactly a mature response but then again neither was Keo attitude after they were denied access to players etc. where they pushed the negativity.

    Its also interesting that the Stormers weren’t castigated in a simialr manner after they stuffed up the signing of BJ Botha as per Keo’s twat feed.

    So its a pretty Rocky relationship from way back.

  • Comment 54, posted at 25.05.10 13:48:50 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 53) : I think it kinda was still ongoing, they were hoping to get some financial aid. The answer was never no, it was always when we get some money. If Butch wanted to know how things were going he should have contacted the Sharks and said…”Hey, sharks, so how are things going, did you find someone who would like to give you a sponsor so that you will have enough money to get me back to SA”…and the Sharks would probably have said…”No sorry Butchy, no luck yet, but we’re working on it” and presto communication problem sorted.

    …or do you really think Butch kept trying to contact them and got no answer????

  • Comment 55, posted at 25.05.10 13:55:07 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 55) :

    Unless you are privy to the correspondence that took place neither you nor I can confirm anything.

    What I can tell you however is that speaking to an agent who dealt with the Sharks in getting a player in there is this (what I heard about Butch) is very similar to how they ‘communicate’.

    The player was invited for trials and everything and next thing the agent read in the paper is that they contracted another player in the same position this player was suppose to fly up for trials to not 3 days out, without ever communicating a change of heart to the agent or the player. In fact, to today they have never responded back to the agent or player.

    Now I have no reason not to trust the agent in question.

    But you certainly have grounds not to trust me or my sources as you do not know who they are and thats okay.

    For me like in science I tend to go with the theory of most likely if I dont have hard facts.

    And the theory most likely given the two situations says to me that bad communication from the Sharks on the Butch issue was the most likely reason for the ugly public spat.

  • Comment 56, posted at 25.05.10 14:02:09 by Morné Reply
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  • Dick can only do well with the Boks, because he has the everyone in SA to select from, Give him a side to start from scrach and he just does not cut it.

  • Comment 57, posted at 25.05.10 14:04:03 by Tiger Reply

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    Tukkies

    Sharks after Putt was basically starting from scratch.

    Perhaps he needs the correct support staff?

  • Comment 58, posted at 25.05.10 14:06:34 by Morné Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 55) : If it is that easy then Butch should blame his agent. That is what he is there for after all.

  • Comment 59, posted at 25.05.10 14:08:27 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 58) :

    I just don’t get why people all of a sudden don’t rate Dick as a decent coach.

    As you say he has a very good record as a head coach

    The Lions lost 11 of their top players (since last year)so of course that was going to affect them this year!!

    Sheesh some people are really fickle!! :roll:

  • Comment 60, posted at 25.05.10 14:24:48 by wpw Reply
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    Yeah mate from where I sit no coach in the world will be successful under the current Lions administration.

  • Comment 61, posted at 25.05.10 14:28:24 by Morné Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 54) : that article was ridiculously negative, though. I was spitting blood after I read it.

  • Comment 62, posted at 25.05.10 14:35:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • the Lions squad was so utterly, utterly devoid of any potential to perform well in the Super 14 that I don’t see how Dick could realistically have done much better.

    Actually, hang on… you can always do better than winning zero matches!

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  • @wpw (Comment 60) : @robdylan (Comment 63) : Try not buying Carlos Spencer, that’s a HUGE step in the right direction.

  • Comment 64, posted at 25.05.10 14:49:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 64) :

    You reckon Andy Goode was a better buy? :twisted:

  • Comment 65, posted at 25.05.10 14:53:49 by Morné Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 60) :
    If only the Lions had let Loffie see out his contract (a few weeks) then Dick would have had some sort of base to work from. The dice were loaded against him from the start.

  • Comment 66, posted at 25.05.10 14:55:05 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 56) : Wow!!!

  • Comment 67, posted at 25.05.10 14:59:45 by Letgo Reply
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  • Morne

    Well written piece….it appears the World of Professional Rugby has confused a few in the administration. ! :cry:

    Well written ! :razz:

  • Comment 68, posted at 25.05.10 15:00:35 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 54) : It also does help that “Ethical and Journalism” are oxymorons when it comes to that bunch.

  • Comment 69, posted at 25.05.10 15:01:39 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 68) :

    Hey you!! ;-)

    Nice of you to join us!! :roll:

  • Comment 70, posted at 25.05.10 15:02:58 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) :

    They are seriously going to need a player recruitment drive of the highest order to even beat the Rebels next year…..

    ….McQueen’s squad is starting to come together nicely

    ….would be great to see them get Gasnier and Folou (sorry spelling )

  • Comment 71, posted at 25.05.10 15:04:12 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Does = Doesn’t.

  • Comment 72, posted at 25.05.10 15:04:25 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 70) : Afternoon ….i was worried if i made to many comments this week i might win LMS ! ;-)

  • Comment 73, posted at 25.05.10 15:05:16 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 73) :

    Hehehe :mrgreen:

    I think you’ve already wrapped up that Cup bru!! :???:

  • Comment 74, posted at 25.05.10 15:24:01 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 74) :

    I am very use to the feeling of the Cup being ours

    ….only to be poisoned or to run into Wayne Barnes ! :lol:

  • Comment 75, posted at 25.05.10 15:30:01 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) : Do you know why it was so bad, becaus Dick has 4 jobs. He is in it for the money. but he did not cut it as a coach.

  • Comment 76, posted at 25.05.10 16:43:22 by Tiger Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 65) : at least he could kick through the posts :twisted:

  • Comment 77, posted at 25.05.10 17:03:42 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 71) : But its the Super15… so they won’t play eachother. I seem to be the only one who considers the Super15 a waste of time… Not inviting AT ALL.

  • Comment 78, posted at 25.05.10 17:05:59 by Frisbee Reply

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  • @Tiger (Comment 76) : yes… he dose seem to have an awful lot on his plate… and yet plenty of time to hang out at the Baron

  • Comment 79, posted at 25.05.10 17:11:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • You know what? I have been on the committee of the Sharks club in Cape Town for 3 years. We are an official club! The Sharks themselves even host our website. After 3 years, I feel deceived by the brand and it has soured my support badly. Its harder to pull that jersey over my head now knowing what a gimic that logo seems to be supporting.

    In all my dealings with Sharks personnel (not players), I got the impression we were simply a nuisance and that it was a compromise for us even to exist at all. Every couple of weeks, the rules change. We’re not allowed to do this, or not allowed to do that. Or not allowed to mention this or use this logo in this way. They won’t even accept fan pictures with someone holding a beer for our own website (Yet, ABSA stadium is sponsored by Windhoek?? Serious double standards). Our pictures HAVE to have children in them. Its all rules… maybe I’m bitter but I stopped having fun a while ago when supporting the Sharks became a job. Sorry, that should be ‘The’ (We’re not allowed to leave the ‘the’ with a small T!

    I get the impression that the admin personnel at the Sharks believe they are the best, and anyone who disagrees is shown the ‘Brand Success(TM)’ schtick. Are they too good for their fans even? Even giving their fans news seems to be like performing a huge unwarranted favour.

    This all makes me very sad. I think the Sharks thought they could choose their fans :sad:

  • Comment 80, posted at 25.05.10 17:16:54 by Frisbee Reply

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  • @Frisbee (Comment 80) : i don’t think the the CT loves the Sharks like we do on SW ;-)

  • Comment 81, posted at 25.05.10 17:23:31 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @stormy chaz (Comment 81) : We’re the biggest Sharks Supporters club in the country ;-) Even bigger than Durban Stadium :grin:

  • Comment 82, posted at 25.05.10 17:26:11 by Frisbee Reply

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  • @Frisbee (Comment 82) : so why this and that not allowed got to many rules it will tied a fan out very quickly :smile:

  • Comment 83, posted at 25.05.10 17:28:14 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @stormy chaz (Comment 81) : i’ve got a cousin thats a sharks supporter in the CT Mitch is his name (nick name) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 84, posted at 25.05.10 17:30:33 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @Frisbee (Comment 80) : has this madness started since the new marketing manager took over?

  • Comment 85, posted at 25.05.10 17:30:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • top sharks supporters club in the country is pretoria

    just ask the sharks team ;-) i am sure even dave burger will admit it :lol:

  • Comment 86, posted at 25.05.10 17:31:14 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @Frisbee (Comment 82) : someone is lying to you guys lol

  • Comment 87, posted at 25.05.10 17:31:49 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 86) : well now me now sth thought it was BB valley :roll:

  • Comment 88, posted at 25.05.10 17:34:03 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • Good article-been long overdue, well done.

    @Salmonoid (Comment 14) : One of his ventures is clothing, running with his own range.

  • Comment 89, posted at 25.05.10 17:36:59 by MrG Reply

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  • @Frisbee (Comment 80) : on the website for East Rand Supporters Club there is a photo of the fan of the month holding beer – albeit it looks like windhoek :roll: :roll:

  • Comment 90, posted at 25.05.10 17:39:30 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) :
    Campo was instrumental in get JP to the standard that he reached. Being a lazy player with very limited skills, Campo positioned JP as far as running lines, defense and his tactical kicking is concerned.

  • Comment 91, posted at 25.05.10 17:41:15 by MrG Reply

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  • @stormy chaz (Comment 88) : lol trust me club is growing so fast its scary

    go watch an sharks game the the oxford pub hatfield square

    4 to 500 people at every game to support the sharks

  • Comment 92, posted at 25.05.10 17:44:44 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 86) : lol!

    Just going on membership numbers though; we’re a bit over capacity. trying to find a new venue!

  • Comment 93, posted at 25.05.10 17:46:03 by Frisbee Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 92) : thats great news is shows you win or loose the fans stick to their team :mrgreen:

  • Comment 94, posted at 25.05.10 17:46:59 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 85) : I don’t know, we’re kept just as in the dark as the regular fan is :lol:

  • Comment 95, posted at 25.05.10 17:47:15 by Frisbee Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 90) : the clubs will mostly only show photo’s with a windhoek re beer as they the official sponsors of the sharks

    clubs not allowed to advertise any other brands

  • Comment 96, posted at 25.05.10 17:47:22 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 90) : thats what i was saying toooo many rules etc :mrgreen:

  • Comment 97, posted at 25.05.10 17:48:34 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @stormy chaz (Comment 94) : for sure

    and in the heart of P Town right next to loftus we have a massive sharks club growing

  • Comment 98, posted at 25.05.10 17:48:42 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 90) : Maybe thats the catch :lol:

  • Comment 99, posted at 25.05.10 17:51:42 by Frisbee Reply

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  • @Frisbee (Comment 99) : my son in law just joined you guys down in capt as a club member

  • Comment 100, posted at 25.05.10 17:52:51 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @Frisbee (Comment 82) :
    what makes you think that. how many signed and paid supporters reside in cpt? in fact I wonder how many supporters still pay to be supporters?

  • Comment 101, posted at 25.05.10 17:58:49 by MrG Reply

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  • @MrG (Comment 101) : most do

    if you knew what they get as members in return you would understand

  • Comment 102, posted at 25.05.10 18:01:36 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 85) :

    you hit the nail on the head i think. I was about to suggest that no-one looked at a major change in the union when Alan, Kruger departed. There is no doubt that he left a huge gap. He served on Louis Luyt’s staff before did he not?

  • Comment 103, posted at 25.05.10 18:01:46 by MrG Reply

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  • Correct me if I’m wrong, though, but holding the licence to operate a supporters’ club is a financially lucrative thing, is it not?

    Not sure I want this thread to denigrate into a whinge session cos the Sharks are imposing conditions on the meal tickets they distribute…

  • Comment 104, posted at 25.05.10 18:06:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 102) :

    would be interested to know. perhaps we could take this conversation elsewhere.

  • Comment 105, posted at 25.05.10 18:08:29 by MrG Reply

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  • To clarify a bit more. People operating these clubs enter into a commercial arrangement with The Sharks (pty) ltd. If they’re not happy with the terms of those agreements, they should rather take that up with their partner directly. From the perspective of the lay fans represented on this blog, the supporters clubs are an official extension of the Union. All part if the same faceless empire, if you will

  • Comment 106, posted at 25.05.10 18:10:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Frisbee (Comment 78) :

    I constantly need to look at the format to remind myself how it all works with there being 256 rounds ….but i think they will….i think you miss only playing one side from each conference…..but i could be wrong it happened back in 1987 ! :mrgreen:

    Give the comp. a go ….it looks quite exciting to me….much more exciting than a boring league system home and away !

  • Comment 107, posted at 25.05.10 18:11:55 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 106) :
    well concluded.

  • Comment 108, posted at 25.05.10 18:29:36 by MrG Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 104) : the clubs are and have to be non profit organizations

    there finacials have to be available every month

    and any profits made get pumped back into the buildings etc , like tv;s catering equipent etc

    the sharks are very strict with this and rightfully so

  • Comment 109, posted at 25.05.10 18:32:49 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 79) : And n lot of time at CASADECOMPO in Springs,

  • Comment 110, posted at 25.05.10 18:34:49 by Tiger Reply

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  • like the sharks club in north cliff in jhb

    great facility , and they pump back any profits made etc into the club

    only salaries earned are for the barman they employ
    committee members etc they help out for duties in the club do so for the enjoyment and love of the sharks ,

  • Comment 111, posted at 25.05.10 18:35:54 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • only the clubs now linked on the official sharks website are registered to the sharks and legal

  • Comment 112, posted at 25.05.10 18:37:14 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 104) : i can tell you the guy you know that also has a club in jhb as a sharks club is in trouble with the union

  • Comment 113, posted at 25.05.10 18:38:14 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • Most of the comments I’ve seen sounds like old wives fables.

    Same stories of a different flavor did the rounds during the 5 game losing streak days, it subsequently came to a grinding halt once we got back to winning ways, now that we’re forced to survive without our beloved team ’till July, everyone’s getting WAY ahead of themselves with rumors and fables.

    The Sharks managed to survive Kevin Putt, do we really believe things will get as bad as it was during his days? Obviously there is SOME truth in SOME of these stories, but we can’t be running after each one shouting at the top of our lungs fearing the worst.

    Time to stay calm and ride the storm out. ;-) Please :smile:

  • Comment 114, posted at 25.05.10 18:48:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Seeing as I only joined this site this year, could someone please tell me whether this same negative attitude did the rounds last year?

    Is this the norm, or a newly found habit under Sharks bloggers?

  • Comment 115, posted at 25.05.10 18:52:00 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @MrG (Comment 101) : @sharks_lover (Comment 102) : :evil: you got to be joking need to or is getting paid to be a sharks supporter :roll: oh my hey big fans club where ever you are in CT or Pretoria i’m a sharks fan from birth i need back pay now how about mmm let me think eeehhh i’m asking nothing and i mean nothing to support my team but maybe i should :???: ;-) got one how about a flat or sth on the sea front :lol:

  • Comment 116, posted at 25.05.10 19:34:25 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 113) : I believe Mr G is involved in the same venture?

  • Comment 117, posted at 25.05.10 19:40:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 106) : me don’t like those clubs etc i’m much happy here on SW here we are family with a little rules oh and we don’t even have to be paid or pay to become family :lol: only comment to get stars and me friend that is great :smile: ;-)

  • Comment 118, posted at 25.05.10 19:41:25 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 117) : i don’t even know a Mr G and Frisbee first time i’ve seen their names are they new Rob and gee stars already :lol:

  • Comment 119, posted at 25.05.10 19:43:23 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 117) : rob if MrG is gerhard the guy the did our sharks club webpage and the web page for roger the dodger , then yes he was involved

    if he is a member of our club still i dont know

    what i do know is that the sharks union did not want all kinds of websites etc and all legal clubs now have to conform with the unions prescribed site, that being the official sharks website where there is a link to each club

    the sharks tightened up as to many people ran around in the name of the sharks and a lot of problems were being caused

  • Comment 120, posted at 25.05.10 20:01:32 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 117) : since i got into my restaurant in jhb i am not on the pretoria clubs committee , as i dont have time , but i am still a paying member in pta

    like the lions game at coke can , i went with the club

  • Comment 121, posted at 25.05.10 20:03:47 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 120) : I think there’s right and wrong on both sides here.

    Certainly, the old days seemed a bit like the wild west, with every man and his dog using and abusing the (highly-successful) Sharks brand to make a fast buck. It seems that in clamping down, they have erred on the side of the ridiculous, though and now it looks like they are doing more to protect the legacy of the brand than they are doing to build and strengthen it.

    There’s an article in there somewhere… I just know there is!

  • Comment 122, posted at 25.05.10 23:46:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 121) : tell me about this restaurant… where is it, what is it, etc… :)

  • Comment 123, posted at 25.05.10 23:47:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • That’s what I wanna know!! :grin:
    SL
    Next time I’m in Jozi I will pop around to support you!! :cool:

  • Comment 124, posted at 26.05.10 06:25:53 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 123) : mimmos bedfordview

  • Comment 125, posted at 26.05.10 06:43:34 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 125) : i know the place . yum yum macaroni & cheese :grin:

  • Comment 126, posted at 26.05.10 09:23:47 by rekinek Reply
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  • The Sharks should buy David de Villiers, he is form Empangeni anyway so it would be good to have him back in KZN

  • Comment 127, posted at 26.05.10 14:27:00 by Uli Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 125) :

    How far is Bedfordview from Sandton?? :roll:

  • Comment 128, posted at 26.05.10 15:12:36 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 128) : with or without traffic ? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 129, posted at 26.05.10 15:21:58 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 129) :

    Just asking.

    :roll:

  • Comment 130, posted at 26.05.10 15:50:34 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 130) : just getting the details :roll:
    about 20 min. But if you hit to or from work traffic it is about 1 h or even 2h.

  • Comment 131, posted at 26.05.10 16:15:30 by rekinek Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 125) : the one on van Buuren?

    Man, I LOVED Mimmos… my favourite chain, I reckon.

  • Comment 132, posted at 26.05.10 17:05:13 by robdylan Reply
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