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Beast pulled due to ineligibility


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 26 May 2010 at 06:00
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Various sources within the SA Rugby establishment yesterday confirmed that Tendai Mtawarira, or “The Beast”, as the popular prop is affectionately known, will not play for South Africa again until question around his eligibility for selection have been cleared up.

As a Zimbabwean citizen, living in South Africa and playing for the Sharks on a Specialist Skills Visa, Mtawarira has, according to legislation, probably never been eligible to represent his adopted country. That hasn’t stopped SARU from picking him, though – he has represented the Springboks in 22 tests over the last two seasons – but recent pressure from government has thrown a spotlight on his inclusion and the decision has now been taken to withdraw him from further international action, pending resolution of the situation.

In short, Beast needs to become a South African citizen before he can play for the Boks again. Now I’m sure you are all aware of the rules governing discussions of a political nature here, so I would urge you to exercise restraint in any comments you’d like to make on this point. I feel for the player, though – as it seems he has unwittingly become a pawn in an ongoing battle of wills between those who run rugby and those who run the country. Beast – we love you, man, and really hope that this can be sorted out as soon as humanly possible. You make us all proud and we look forward to welcoming you back into the green and gold where you belong.

At all times, though, it is vital that all players and officials must respect the law of the land. Nobody is bigger than that.



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  • So that means Guthro will more than likely be 1st choice loosehead!!
    As long as the overrated CJ VD Linde is not there I’m happy!!
    As for The Beast, how come they only woke up now after he already played 20 odd tests for us??
    :roll:

  • Comment 1, posted at 26.05.10 06:17:00 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 1) : I can already hear the Blou Nul supporters flapping their lips on how Guthro was selected over The Beast Mtawarira :roll:

    This is probably why Beast hasn’t been to his demolishing old self, this might tempt him to play overseas seeing as there’s not much left for him to play for here.

    What a sad time it is in Sharks rugby, everything is working against our Sharks. :cry:

  • Comment 2, posted at 26.05.10 06:38:44 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 2) :

    I agree.

    His form dropped when this whole debacle started.

    And what govt doesn’t seem to realize is that Beast is a role model to so many black South Africans. :roll:

  • Comment 3, posted at 26.05.10 07:21:15 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 3) : Very true, but this just goes to show, the problem in SA have surpassed one of color. It’s not black vs. white, but now rather right vs. wrong, it has become a color blind war.

    And I can almost guarantee, if we have a REALLY close look, we’ll find greed at the bottom of all of this. (not quite sure how, but money is normally what it boils down too).

    Now just hoping Rob won’t come running with his whip because of my comment, it was without any prejudice.

  • Comment 4, posted at 26.05.10 07:45:49 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • This sucks but on a lighter note. Isn’t the funniest thing you’ve ever seen the way Guthro touts his mouth before he goes down in the scrum?

  • Comment 5, posted at 26.05.10 08:05:10 by Pokkel Reply
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  • The question is “Does Tendai want to give up his Zimbabwean passport for a South African passport?” I am with Government on this issue, he shouldn’t get special priviledges just because he is a star rugby player. If he wants to be a South African why doesn’t he go through all the proper channels that every other foreigner has to. It will be easier for him as he has a job and lived here long enough. So maybe he doesn’t want to become a South African, just wants the bucks and glory our Country offers him.

  • Comment 6, posted at 26.05.10 08:08:48 by try time Reply

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  • I think Beast has received shocking advice… Or, more likely, no advice whatsoever

  • Comment 7, posted at 26.05.10 08:17:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • Morning :mrgreen:

  • Comment 8, posted at 26.05.10 08:17:52 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • This is bad news altogether and got no words :evil: just
    give our beast a SA passport he is a SA in spirit so make him one he has and always will be a shark and green and gold for us as supporters

  • Comment 9, posted at 26.05.10 08:20:34 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 2) : you can say that again when are we going to get some luck :???:

  • Comment 10, posted at 26.05.10 08:21:45 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : well if our suspicions about sharks administration is right i would choose the latter.

  • Comment 11, posted at 26.05.10 08:21:51 by try time Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 3) : that is so true why they are doing this now is getting me under :???:

  • Comment 12, posted at 26.05.10 08:23:50 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 6) : :???: true so what do we do now :???: or him choose Beast you can’t have it both ways

  • Comment 13, posted at 26.05.10 08:25:51 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @stormy chaz (Comment 9) : beast never bought money into this country, he is earning money from it and it is Governments right to know that he plans to stay and circulate the money in the Country or if he plans to go back to Zimbabwe with his riches. Beast must make the commitment to South Africa.

  • Comment 14, posted at 26.05.10 08:27:03 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : That is really bad if i may say so they should help him with all the help and advise he needs from the word go in Green and Gold and Black and White

  • Comment 15, posted at 26.05.10 08:27:50 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • This is ridiculouse beast is a south african,he has bleed for this country those bufoons in government first complain there isin’t enough black players selected yet they do this to the only black foward good enough to be selected!! i remember 3yrs ago super 14 final he made us black folks so proud! who is gona replace him gutro? give me a fucking break!! beast we love u and look up 2 u ,u are 1 of us no piece of paper should tell u difrnt.

  • Comment 16, posted at 26.05.10 08:29:00 by Poisy Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 14) : @stormy chaz (Comment 13) : Thats why he must choose sometime very soon

  • Comment 17, posted at 26.05.10 08:29:04 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 16) : :evil: F break your words are not so great [email protected][email protected] Break is much better if me can help you right are the big guys are going to give you all the [email protected] ;-)

  • Comment 18, posted at 26.05.10 08:32:42 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 16) :

    Hey Poisy!!

    Are you new to the site??

    If so, welcome!! ;-)

    P.S. Gurthro has been very good this year

  • Comment 19, posted at 26.05.10 08:36:39 by wpw Reply
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  • @stormy chaz (Comment 12) : they are doing it now because it take three years for a bereaucrat to wake up.

  • Comment 20, posted at 26.05.10 08:37:23 by try time Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 16) : oh sorry welcome to our great site :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 26.05.10 08:37:34 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 20) : Well its about time they wake up :lol:

  • Comment 22, posted at 26.05.10 08:38:27 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 19) : Dude i think poisy is just frustatingly saying what we all feel,i sincerely dont think beast would deliberatly do this (just a simple case of bad advice!!)

  • Comment 23, posted at 26.05.10 08:42:06 by ruggabugga Reply

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  • Well right is right. If he has not followed the correct procedures then he should not be allowed to play.

    I do however think that SARU is to blame for this one and not the Sharks. He is allowed to play for the Sharks with the special skills visa and so they have followed the correct procedures. SARU however have a little more to do if they wish to utilize his skills.

  • Comment 24, posted at 26.05.10 08:46:31 by Farlington Reply

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  • Hi All – not good news about your Beast :shock: , but I do believe it will all be sorted out.
    @FireTheLooser (Comment 2) : Seems like the only one “flapping lips” is you – most BULLS have this curious habit of cheering for worthy players from opposing teams when they don the green & gold :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 26.05.10 08:53:25 by diablo (We'll battle ALL on the beaches, We'll battle All in Orlando) Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 24) : Good point. But I see the bereaucrats are even making it harder for foreigners to play in Provincial teams. look at how goode almost never played.

  • Comment 26, posted at 26.05.10 08:53:52 by try time Reply

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  • Thanks for the welcome guys =) and ya maybe i got a lil carried away with my 1st post but it just pi£?es me off thats all, i attend varsity college with beast and everybody loves and looks up to the big guy ,he has respected the green and gold like every south african and has brought honor to his jersey,i just think the government should leave rugby alone and mess with soccer 4 alil while ,they dont have enough white players! lol

  • Comment 27, posted at 26.05.10 09:00:29 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 27) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 28, posted at 26.05.10 09:04:56 by diablo (We'll battle ALL on the beaches, We'll battle All in Orlando) Reply

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  • @diablo (We’ll battle ALL on the beaches, We’ll battle All in Orlando) (Comment 25) : I am yet to see one….my mind seems to remind me of a certain Ruan Pienaar (whom the Nulle loath for some unknown reason). ;-)

  • Comment 29, posted at 26.05.10 09:06:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 29) : I am not surprised – must be difficult to see clearly through those Black & white” shades :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 26.05.10 09:10:38 by diablo (We'll battle ALL on the beaches, We'll battle All in Orlando) Reply

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  • This would not happen in Oz or NZ. They would have made sure that a player good enough to play for their national teams, such as Mtawarira, got superfast-tracked through the red tape.

  • Comment 31, posted at 26.05.10 09:14:54 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Welcome Poisy.
    2 posts and you managed to rock the boat with both of them :lol:

  • Comment 32, posted at 26.05.10 09:15:26 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 27) : thats true he is a great guy hope they field on the soccer thing and leave the Rugby to us but hope beast gets his passport sorted out ASAP :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 26.05.10 09:20:19 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 27) : oh and becarefull of megatron he gets you all worked up and then you land in the [email protected] :lol:

  • Comment 34, posted at 26.05.10 09:22:41 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 32) :

    I think Rob is gonna shut down this thread soon!!

    Where is klempie btw?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 26.05.10 09:25:16 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 32) : we are rocky these days… :roll:

  • Comment 36, posted at 26.05.10 09:25:16 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 35) : we posted at exactly the same time !
    and you are first on the thread and I am first on the recent posts list – hmmm – what an equitable solution :mrgreen:

  • Comment 37, posted at 26.05.10 09:28:07 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 37) :

    Well what can I say, let me remind you that Adam was created before Eve!! :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 38, posted at 26.05.10 09:35:13 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 38) : Check your ribs, wpw :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 26.05.10 09:39:39 by rhineshark Reply
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  • hi guys, so from the EOYT last year, till now, nobody has done anything to correct this? i mean, Government had a swipe at Beast at the EOYT, and after that, nothing, nadda?? its about 6 months ago, shouldnt somebody have helped poor old beast to correct this? Does anyone know what the criteria is for someone like beast to become a citizen? shouldnt he be staying here for 4 years before he could apply?

  • Comment 40, posted at 26.05.10 09:43:11 by VanWilder Reply

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  • Sounds like the Beast is a Zimbabwean to me… !

    As for him being a unwittingly become a pawn …give me a break !

    What idiot lives in another country and thinks they are a local

    …..oh a wait a minute Shane Howarth did that !

    ….then again there a few confused South Aftrican nationals around the Rugby playing planet at the moment !

    …you guys infact could put together a team ! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 41, posted at 26.05.10 09:46:49 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 41) : We could put together an A, B and C team…

  • Comment 42, posted at 26.05.10 09:48:00 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 42) :

    Trials required ! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 26.05.10 09:49:44 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • This might sound selfish . . but it`s brilliant for the Sharks if Beast can`t play for the Bokke. That means we`ll have him for the entire CC . . .

  • Comment 44, posted at 26.05.10 09:50:53 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 44) : :evil:

    Stop being so selfish!! :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 45, posted at 26.05.10 09:52:57 by wpw Reply
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  • What were the SARU playing at ….playing him ! :???:

    ….. they would have known he doesn’t qualify ! :evil:

  • Comment 46, posted at 26.05.10 09:53:37 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • This is very sad…beast is awesome and I hope things works out for him. In my eyes he’s a South African. And if South Africa doesn’t want him he’ll always be welcome at the Sharkies.

  • Comment 47, posted at 26.05.10 09:57:46 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 44) : I was thinking the same thing but thought best not say anything… But yes it would be great from a Sharks point of view.

  • Comment 48, posted at 26.05.10 09:58:09 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 41) : He’s not an idiot…he got selected, and then he played and I guess he thought it was sorted out. How long has he been living in SA…I think he could become a citizen now if he wanted to. I think he wants to and I think people will see what he brings to the Bok team and to this Country and it will be sorted out soon.

  • Comment 49, posted at 26.05.10 10:01:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 49) :

    Just thick then… :???: How stupid is he ! :???:

  • Comment 50, posted at 26.05.10 10:03:28 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 49) :

    Who turns up in another country and thinks they are eligible !

    ….well quite a few i guess

    PS I think i have just qualified for England :mrgreen:

  • Comment 51, posted at 26.05.10 10:05:02 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 48) : No what’s better for the Sharks would be if our players deserving a spot in the Bok squad getting the call up. In the Currie Cup you want guys like Herbst and Cillier, Kyle Cooper, Burden, Mvovo, Jean Stemmet, Rhodes and Downey to get lots of game time. It better for s15 2011, to give players experience in the CC and have your star players find even more confidence and skills playing for the Boks.

    The fewer players you have in the Bok sqaud, the worse the growth in your youngsters and therefor you team will be. This is another problem will the Lions and the Cheetahs. No one has the guts to just make replacements and bring in some young talent, but their main players aren’t even good enough to make the Boks.

    I know Beast will be great for the Sharks in the CC and it’s not a bad thing specifically for the Sharks, but I’m to disappointed for the player to be excited for the Sharks…having said that. I hope he comes out with a bang when the season kicks of, so that everyone can see what they are missing by not having him with the Boks.

  • Comment 52, posted at 26.05.10 10:10:50 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 51) : Well, you know what, if I get selected for a team and play 22 games for that country on national and international TV for anyone to see…not secretly, not faking my identity, not lying about my nationality…and no one stops me from doing it game after game, I’m going to assume no one cares, or there was some sort of loophole or that the rules changed or something.

    He’s not an idiot, stupid or think (well, maybe physically :grin: ), he just wanted to play for South Africa and was aloud to do so for 2 seasons and 22 games. Why would he decline when nothing came in his way during that time.

  • Comment 53, posted at 26.05.10 10:17:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 53) :

    So who blew the whistle…. ;-)

  • Comment 54, posted at 26.05.10 10:22:21 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 54) : don’t know maybe someone :???: :?:

  • Comment 55, posted at 26.05.10 10:26:56 by stormy chaz Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 35) :
    :grin:

  • Comment 56, posted at 26.05.10 10:30:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Poisy has pushed the boundaries, but I think there was no malice intended. I’m sure we’re all very concerned and disappointed for Beast

  • Comment 57, posted at 26.05.10 10:30:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 54) : I don’t know, but if you find that guy let me know :mrgreen:

    Like I said after 22 game, this is actually a little ridiculous.

  • Comment 58, posted at 26.05.10 10:31:37 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 52) : So you disagree with me, but you agree with me. :???:

    This is exactly why I initially did not want to say anything.

  • Comment 59, posted at 26.05.10 10:43:48 by Farlington Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) :
    Agree, hence the :lol: . At least Beast can be sure that he has his classmates support, and ours.

  • Comment 60, posted at 26.05.10 11:07:36 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @stormy chaz (Comment 18) :
    WTF?? Heh? Come again…?

  • Comment 61, posted at 26.05.10 11:28:03 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 61) : :mrgreen: Wil ek ook weet :?: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 62, posted at 26.05.10 11:43:08 by diablo (We'll battle ALL on the beaches, We'll battle All in Orlando) Reply

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  • Beast is eligible to play for South Africa according to IRB regulation 8.1 C it is just the government bureaucrats that have told him he needs to apply for South African citizenship if he wants to play for South Africa.

    He has lived in South Africa for almost 5 years and has never tried to apply for citizenship or a passport.

  • Comment 63, posted at 26.05.10 11:49:09 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 63) : Yes from an IRB point of view there is no issues, but he does not comply with the South-African regulations. And sure he is being targeted and yes there many more that is getting away with it, but he still has to comply with the rules and regulations.

    And the fact that he has been here for 5 years and never tried to apply for citizenship makes me wonder who’s fault that really is. Should he not (And SARU) have atleast tried and/or get the ball rolling since the big “woohaa” last year?

  • Comment 64, posted at 26.05.10 12:00:38 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 54) :The whistle was blown by one Ref Khompela last year already…funny nothing was done about it in the meantime…maybe like Rob said…bad advise received down the line after the initial penalty..

  • Comment 65, posted at 26.05.10 12:27:40 by Ice Reply
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  • Sucks for Beast that he raised the ire of the Sports Folsk in government, when clearly SARU rushed it through with out looking at the consequences. They need to hustle to get Beast back in the mix.

  • Comment 66, posted at 26.05.10 12:28:10 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 58) : @lostfish (Comment 63) : @Farlington (Comment 64) :

    He may be legal now according to IRB Regulations with him being resident for 5 Years but was he legal according to IRB Regulations when he made his Debut for the Boks.

    …..i bet he wasn’t

    ….who’s fault is that….the SARU maybe ! :???:

  • Comment 67, posted at 26.05.10 12:28:33 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Can he play for Zimbabwe now…. :?:

  • Comment 68, posted at 26.05.10 12:29:07 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Please also then get rid of our soccer coaches!!!!! What’s fair is fair, but what can we say this is SA… The ANC only has one eye and guess what side the blind one is on?

  • Comment 69, posted at 26.05.10 12:34:56 by Uli Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 66) : Its always SARU

    @Hertford Highlander (Comment 66) : He was indeed. The only thing in question was he legal by South Africas rules

  • Comment 70, posted at 26.05.10 12:36:17 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • Guys have a look at this
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendai_Mtawarira
    Brian Mujati was also from Zim and nothing was said about that…

  • Comment 71, posted at 26.05.10 12:40:11 by Uli Reply
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  • Hey? What was wrong with my comment?? :roll:

  • Comment 72, posted at 26.05.10 12:42:05 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 71) : Came from a blonde :twisted:

  • Comment 73, posted at 26.05.10 12:43:46 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 69) :

    Right three years residency the requirement.

    But don’t all countries only select nationals surely if you don’t hold a passport you don’t pick them !

    no brainer isn’t it ! :idea:

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 73) : Agreed – but i cannot underline or stress enough how incompetent our governing body is.

  • Comment 75, posted at 26.05.10 12:51:29 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 64) : I was trying to point out that he managed to play 21 games for South Africa before the government said he was not eligible.

    I also wonder why he has not applied for citizenship seeing as he said that he is South African at heart and that the green and gold flows in his blood. If he feels that strongly then why did he not apply for citizenship?

  • Comment 76, posted at 26.05.10 12:55:51 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 74) :

    I think Maafu the Blues number 8 finally got selected after about 7 great seasons for North Harbour….and Pat lam the Blues coach had to make a huge case for him because the NZRFU won’t let any players into the Super 14 Squads that are not eligible for the All Blacks.

    Maafu played for Tonga a few seasons back !

  • Comment 77, posted at 26.05.10 12:56:08 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • The law of the land supercedes the rules imposed by the irb. Quite obviously ;)

  • Comment 78, posted at 26.05.10 12:57:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : why is comment 65 “awaiting moderation”?

  • Comment 79, posted at 26.05.10 13:02:35 by Ice Reply
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  • OMG Shontayne Hape has just been selected for England

    ….. what’s going on !

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 79) : The Kiwi’s are the new Saffa’s

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  • @lostfish (Comment 80) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 82, posted at 26.05.10 13:15:13 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 75) : Agreed, he should have made a point of getting citizenship a long time ago.

  • Comment 83, posted at 26.05.10 13:28:46 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 66) : That is why I say SARU is also guilty.

  • Comment 84, posted at 26.05.10 13:33:04 by Farlington Reply

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  • Hi rob , can tell you although tendai could not divulge to much he said there was light at the end of the tunnel and this issue of immigration should be over soon

  • Comment 85, posted at 26.05.10 14:46:54 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 85) : you know him too? :)

  • Comment 86, posted at 26.05.10 19:49:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 86) : i do happen to

    he was driving back to zim for a few days when i called, so didnt talk that long and the connection was crappy

    i know ya dont believe me but i know better ;-) :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 87, posted at 26.05.10 20:08:44 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 87) : not a question of not believing ya, bro… just wondering when you’re going to make some introductions! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 88, posted at 26.05.10 20:31:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • this is standard procedure that SARU should have known! Whoever it was @ SARU who assumed that foreign nationals only had to satisfy IRB rules to play for the Boks should take the blame! Tendai or his agent also are responsible for this whole fiasco!

  • Comment 89, posted at 26.05.10 21:00:44 by Megatron Reply

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  • Silly question but why doesnt he just apply for citizenship?
    I’m sure it would be fast-tracked anyway.

  • Comment 90, posted at 27.05.10 01:43:36 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 90) : He has applied for citizenship! He’s awaiting approval.

  • Comment 91, posted at 27.05.10 07:44:45 by Letgo Reply
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  • If you look at legislation, the same requirements are asked of admistrators and support staff. They are classified as foreign sports people. And look how Perreira, Santana and the like got ushered into SAFA? Have they got passports? Are they citizens?

    Its about greasing palms. Regan clearly didn’t.

  • Comment 92, posted at 27.05.10 09:56:17 by Oubaas2009 Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 90) : I think the issue is that, once SARU realised their mistake, they asked the minister to fast-track citizenship, which served to re-ruffle the feathers.

  • Comment 93, posted at 27.05.10 11:11:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hi All…been a long time…..

    I may be wrong but I always understood that you had to have lived and worked, legally, in SA in order to apply for citizenship… if this is the case, Beast has only just qualified, and it can take up to six months to be approved.

  • Comment 94, posted at 27.05.10 12:33:06 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 94) : if they deem that he has worked illegally, they might decide not to give it to him at all.

    When you piss off the government by not following the rules, there is only ever one winner.

  • Comment 95, posted at 27.05.10 12:46:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) : The Sharks Admin. recon he is legal..skills visa etc. Only aseeminly “illegal” thing was playing for Boks :roll:
    Agree with second comment as a friend of mine, in UK, :!: :!: discovered recently :!:

  • Comment 96, posted at 27.05.10 12:59:56 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 96) : I live in daily fear of inadvertently doing something wrong. Ultimately, the immigrant needs to take responsibility for becoming familiar with the rules and ensuring compliance. In Beast’s case, I would think his agents and advisors have let him down.

  • Comment 97, posted at 27.05.10 13:50:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 96) : being allowed to work in a country (work permit) is not exactly the same thing as being elligible to represent this country.

  • Comment 98, posted at 27.05.10 13:56:12 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 97) : meant to ask you yesterday. In terms of which rules / laws is he considered inelligeble. From the arti it seems that it is not IRB rules but more like some SA stuff, any legislation? do you know ?

  • Comment 99, posted at 27.05.10 13:57:53 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 99) : I can try find out.

  • Comment 100, posted at 27.05.10 14:05:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 100) : thanx. :razz:

  • Comment 101, posted at 27.05.10 14:08:01 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 99) : start here http://us-cdn.creamermedia.co.za/assets/articles/attachments/10253_natspo&recaa18.pdf

    I’m also about to wade through it.

  • Comment 102, posted at 27.05.10 14:13:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 100) : perhaps the answer is in the type of his work permit. Most of the work permits are issued to work for a specific employer and not as carte blanche. So perhaps his permit is to work for the Sharks and not for SARU.

    Anycase, would be interesting to know.

    In Poland they had once a Nigerian playing for a soccer national team – I think he got his citizenship (so that he could play for the national team) before he even landed in teh country :lol:

  • Comment 103, posted at 27.05.10 14:13:25 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 102) : s 7(d)(3) seems to be the closest but does not really provide the answer. Will have a look at the Act itself a bit later.

  • Comment 104, posted at 27.05.10 14:23:45 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 98) :
    I forgot to say “for 5 years”!

    The IRB say you can represent country you live in after 2 years BUT ansd a BIG BUT…SA law says you HAVE TO be a South African citizen to represent the country in ANY sport or form.

    I think SARU slipped up by not checking SA law and then Stofile/Kumpla woke up to the fact and tried to use it to embarrass Hoskin, just before the SARU presidential election.

  • Comment 105, posted at 27.05.10 14:45:57 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 105) : one thing you are right about is that htis issue has been blown out of all proportion because Stofile and Hoskins don’t get on.

    Anyone remember who opposed Hoskins for pres?

  • Comment 106, posted at 27.05.10 15:01:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 106) : Stofile Jnr!?! or did he withdraw at the last minute??

  • Comment 107, posted at 27.05.10 15:31:10 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 107) : correct, but the fact that Mike is Makhankesi’s brother might just have a fair bit to do with this.

    But I’m now treading all over my own line in the sand, so let’s talk about something else :)

  • Comment 108, posted at 27.05.10 15:34:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 108) : the weather is nice but you can feel a chill bite in the air ;-)

  • Comment 109, posted at 27.05.10 16:14:35 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 109) : sun is finally starting to come out here

  • Comment 110, posted at 27.05.10 16:47:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 108) : :roll:

  • Comment 111, posted at 27.05.10 17:10:36 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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