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Steyn bails on Boks


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 27 May 2010 at 06:35
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You’ve got to hand it Frans Steyn – the kid has style. He apparently sent Peter de Villiers an SMS this week informing him that he doesn’t intend to take up his place in the last line of defence for the Springboks against Wales next weekend.

Media reports are blaming a “breakdown in communications” between the former Sharks star and the coach for the latest fall-out and a meeting has apparently been scheduled for this weekend to attempt to thrash out the issues and convince Steyn to accept the call-up. It’s all become quite petty and ridiculous – pretty much what we’ve come to expect in SA rugby circles – with SARU alleging that Steyn is impossible to contact in France (perhaps there isn’t good signal in THOSE clubs he likes to frequent). The counter allegation from Steyn’s camp is that some overly officious SARU minion refused to give him the coach’s new cell number.

This new number of de Villiers’ seems to be causing a lot of people trouble. Remember it was suggested earlier that not even Gary Gold had it. You’d think SARU would spend a few bucks on building a white-pages application for their corporate intranet. They could organise a VPN login for Steyn and the rest of the newly pardoned ex-pat Boks…

It would appear that a little-known Free-Stater by the name of Hennie Daniller is being lined up to replace Steyn should the kiss-and-make-up session not achieve the desired results. I wonder which one will be wearing the make up. Probably not de Villiers. I also wonder how much better Pat Lambie would have to play to be considered a better fullback option than Daniller.



131 Comments

  • Stille water diepe grond, onder draai die duiwel rond.

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.05.10 06:40:00 by JarsonX Reply
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  • So Fransie is throwing a tantrum because his boyfriend didn’t give him his new cell number? :roll:

    What happened to the days where getting a Springbok call up was a non negotiable huge honor and selectees accepted it without thinking twice?

    I think Fransies already over inflated head has yet become even bigger. I say if he believes he should get his arse licked and be begged to don the green and gold he should be completely wiped off any SA rugby national and provincial lists. :!:

    Get rid of this clown, he’s gone from bad to worse.

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.05.10 06:54:27 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • You have got to be kidding me!!
    Ok, this is not the first time a player has issues with the Bok coach BUT just like Watson, Davidson, Brits, they can all fly a kite for all I care. No one individu is greater than the team!!

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.05.10 06:59:05 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 3) : With you 100%

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.05.10 07:01:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Just a Fan is gonna have you guys for breakfast :)

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.05.10 07:07:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • Just A Fan is a chic! What do they know about rugby?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.05.10 07:11:51 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 6) : Hey!!!

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.05.10 07:41:07 by Letgo Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 6) : They know its that time of the weekend to lay low and keep quiet for 2 hours or so.. :lol:

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.05.10 07:47:14 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 8) : Hey!!!

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.05.10 07:49:03 by Letgo Reply
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  • Shit Frans!! You really screwed up this time bro!!! To play for your country should be a huge honour. But if you do not even feel like that for the Springbok jersey, I wonder what you feel for the Sharks jersey?
    Cheers man, may you retire in France, and THOSE clubs that you frequent…

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.05.10 07:50:33 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • There’s more to this of course. Lets see how long it takes to “trickle” out. Still waiting to hear on the Smitty story as well.

    @ robdylan – any news on that one?

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.05.10 07:50:58 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • As far as Steyntjie goes, I’d rather not say too much until we know the facts, but there should be no reason for a player to decline a spot in the green and gold…I have a feeling his biggest reason may just be the position he was selected in, but who knows, it all seems a little bizarre from this side of the story.

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.05.10 07:51:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 12) : He was selected at Fullback wasnt he? He didnt have a problem playing that position for 3 tests against the Lions and 6 tests in the trinations?? Is he really THAT keen to only play inside center or flyhalf?

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.05.10 08:02:04 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 13) : Lets see. You’re a youngster, you’ve played for the Sharks and you’ve been “dicke’d” about from pillar to post. 10, 12, 15 and occasionally 14. You’ve watched a hero, RP, go from one of the most talented young players to one of the most confused, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, & 15s there is! You’ve heard rumors of him now packing up his box of spiders and heading North, right before a world cup. Probably to go and establish himself as ONE of those numbers before it is too darn late! And now your phone rings, and they want you to play where? I donno. As a bok, you should follow Smitty’s example, and play wherever they decide to put you. You’re playing for your country after all. But at some stage one has to raise a hand and say, “OK, I wont let you rob me of my career and my future any longer”. Perhaps this is just a young man trying to mark a number for himself so that he can guarantee himself the long career he deserves with the boks, rather than the erratic and destructive one he has both witnessed and lived so far.

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.05.10 08:05:45 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • If this is true than frans is a grade a dousch bag! if he doesn’t wanna play for s.a than he must retire from test rugby! hennie is not a better fullback than our pat lambie the springbok brains trust must open they eyes and pick him!! and frankly jean deysel is better than all those loose forwards picked for the game against wales. Can any of them bounce a s.burger? i think not.

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.05.10 08:10:55 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 15) : Agreed.

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.05.10 08:14:40 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 14) : I can’t find the right emotion with our smiley faces… I agree, but since when does any player choose where and when and how he’ll play for his country, maybe with the Sharks, because that was just a little messed up, but when you’re playing for the Boks…it doesn’t even matter if your little 78kg Gio Aplon if they select you on the prop you’ll play there with pride.

    It would be nice to here some kind of a statement from Steyn. I don’t want to bad mouth the guy before we don’t here everyone’s point of view, but its hard to understand or even imagine what would be bad enough for anyone to say “no thanks, i don’t want to represent my country.”

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.05.10 08:15:50 by Letgo Reply
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  • No news on Smit. The jungle has gone quiet again. Anyyone have Hendrik Cronje’s email?

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.05.10 08:16:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • This just does not make sense

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.05.10 08:18:36 by war1 Reply
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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 14) : I dont disagree that the constant shifting of players through positions is exceptionally detrimental. Ive posted along that lines in this forum on several occasions before. I, however, believe his best position is fullback. Make no mistake, Racing Metro have moved him around a bit too and he seems happy over there. The bottom line is he is SAs best fullback right now, he isnt the best FH or inside center. Im questioning whether his refusal to join the Boks is a result of his positional selection or whether there are other deeper issues we dont know about. I just cant imagine him suddenly basically torpedoing his chances of playing on the next world cup simply because they are asking him to play a position he has played on 8 occasions in the last year for the Boks.

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.05.10 08:18:58 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 17) : I agree with you. Like I said, follow Smitty’s example. But, at the same time, as a young kid, I can understand “how” he got to the confused state of mind he must be in. I mean, who on earth says NO to a bok call up. There must be reason for this. Now it is just a questions as to what that reason is. Still, when in doubt, do as your captain does. Just another reason why we can be thankful for having such a good captain in Smit. He leads by example.

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.05.10 08:19:30 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : well, if it’s confirmed then they should confirm it already!

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.05.10 08:19:36 by war1 Reply
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  • Maybe this will smash the Steyn myth once and for all

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.05.10 08:20:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : What myth is that?

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.05.10 08:22:12 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 13) : Yes, but he’s always been a little pissed of that coaches never wanted to select him in his preferred position. I must say, if it was me, no I would not have decline the offer to play for the Boks, but I would have been pretty mad that the guy who’s keeping me from playing the position that I feel more comfortable in is Butchy. Butch’s not even a 12 and has been playing in Europe for 4 years and brings nothing to Bok rugby passed the WC.

    Having said that, who cares…it’s the Boks, you don’t say no to that.

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.05.10 08:22:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 15) : Daniller is less of an unknown quantity having played for a few years now. Lambie will get his chances if he maintains his form but its hard to pick a guys for the Springboks when he has only played 7 first class games. Deysel I agree must be gutted. He or Juan Smith should be the only real contenders for the 7 (oh hell, or is it 6???) jersey.

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.05.10 08:23:07 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 20) : I’m with you on that. Deeper issues at play. And I am finding the SARU “two phone numbers are confusing” statement a little hard to believe as well. It’s an absolute joke. Something else at play here.

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.05.10 08:23:55 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 25) : Agreed, but this is an experimental 15. I can promise you when the WC starts (or even the trinations) Butch will NOT be lining up at 12. Personally I think they are only putting him there to steady the ship and give Ruan some support in case he has one of “those” days.

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.05.10 08:25:01 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • Jeewhizzz. In New Zealand they’re scratching their heads to find players. Here we’ve got players turning the job down! There’s a fair whack of talent on our paddocks at the moment.

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.05.10 08:26:08 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • Think all this condemnation is a bit premature considering the real truth of the story isn’t known. I fully agree that playing for the boks is the highest honour in all forms of rugby for a south african, and oppurtunities to wear the jersey shouldn’t be turned down whatever the case. But there may be more to the story than it seems, I for one don’t think SARU are the most well run organization around anyway. Also, if the issue of what position he plays is the reason for all this, it could be valid as well. It’s his career on the line when he plays in an unfavoured position after all, a few poor performances playing out of position could possibily jeopodise a career.

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.05.10 08:26:32 by justinwhufc Reply

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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 27) : I agree, its like using the “My car broke down” excuse too often when you are late for work… Surely the PR team at SARU could start coming up with better and more inventive excuses than a phone number misunderstanding!

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.05.10 08:27:27 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • Well, we’ll hear tomorrow I hope. I wish him well, he is a formidable weapon, even from 60 yards out. I also prefer him at 15, if only because it allows him space to pick up speed. And 100kg traveling at speed is never easy to slow down. Anyway, here’s why I’d like to have him in my team… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkPOO2tF0o

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.05.10 08:38:35 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 28) : @Pablo Dinero (Comment 28) : You almost make my point for me. Steyn could be an option at 12 for the WC and beyond yet they select Butch, who’s not. And why, to support another player who’s probably leaving because he also, always gets selected out of position.

    I watched a few of the Sharks games of this season and some past over the last few days, and Ruan is a way better 9 than he is a 10. He’s still a great 10, but he could be the best 9 if people just stop fiddling.

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.05.10 08:38:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • What are all the little gold stars for. I’m a newby so I’m learning.

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.05.10 08:40:49 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 33) : No, my point is, Ruan needs someone experienced like Butch inside him, not Frans Steyn who thrives better when there is more space at the back…

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.05.10 08:44:59 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • Good Lord, I just read my comment and it strikes me as being something a bit risque for this forum. :shock: But you know what I mean…

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.05.10 08:45:57 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 36) : HA HA HA!

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.05.10 08:50:57 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • I can’t find this anywhere else? That said – Div and Steyn need to grow the fuck up and get on the same page – they are both professionals and we needs Steyns boot come 2011.

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.05.10 08:51:28 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 35) : I know what your point is and you made it well, but your point supports my point…and I’m not even sure what that is anymore :mrgreen:

    Ruan doesn’t want to play 10, Butch doesn’t want to play 12, Jean doesn’t want to play 13 and Steyn doesn’t want to play 15…and they’re all selected so that the guy selected out of position will get some support from the other guy selected out of position, who in turn would like to play in the position of the guy he’s supposed to support, that is now playing in his preferred position.

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.05.10 08:58:48 by Letgo Reply
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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 34) : Cant help you with the star thing, I dont know myself, although 1 magically appeared below my picture the other day.

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.05.10 08:58:56 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 39) : Makes sense??? :grin:

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.05.10 08:59:14 by Letgo Reply
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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 34) : You get points for posting comments, posting articles, winning competitions, etc. the amount of stars you have has got to do with your ranking which is dependant on how many points you have

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.05.10 09:01:44 by war1 Reply
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  • I wouldn’t call sending an sms to have style. Pick up the phone and call and be prepared to listen what the other side has to say.

    BTW – who did he send this sms to if he apparently does not have the coaches new cell number.

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.05.10 09:01:46 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 39) : Ok, I think I agree with you totally, Im just not sure what we are agreeing about anymore ;-) . The bottom line for me is if you want to move a player to another position (if you think they are better suited there) do it, but do it ONCE! If it doesnt work, move them back, but dont play them in a different position every week. I mean at least with Burden, they moved him once, and hes stayed there, unfortunately as luck would have it, the Sharks now need him far more where he was, than where he is now at hooker (and no, Im not going to make any more references to anyone being inside anyone else!!)

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.05.10 09:03:52 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 40) : For every comment you post you get 5 points, once you reach a certain amount of points you’ll get a star and then another and then another…it’s so we can see who’s newbies, and who’s really, really important. So show some respect :lol:

    No actually, when there is competitions to be won here on Sharksworld those with more stars and more comments will be more likely to win.

    You get the idea.

    By the time I post this someone will have already explained…lets see if I’m right.

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.05.10 09:03:53 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 45) : i think between the two of us, we have a complete explanation :mrgreen:

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.05.10 09:05:13 by war1 Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 45) : Cool, can I put this on my CV?

  • Comment 47, posted at 27.05.10 09:05:21 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 42) : Very diplomatic, I put some character into my explanation. :mrgreen:
    @Letgo (Comment 45) : See, way more fun.

  • Comment 48, posted at 27.05.10 09:05:21 by Letgo Reply
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  • I’m sure there are things we don’t know about with regards to this story. But we will likely never hear about it.

    And Rob… Pat Lambie?? Really?? Sure he has talent but do you want to create another, well Frans Steyn? Give him time to mature, his time will come just wait.

  • Comment 49, posted at 27.05.10 09:06:01 by Farlington Reply

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  • So,

  • Comment 50, posted at 27.05.10 09:06:01 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 46) : True, we make a good team. :grin:

  • Comment 51, posted at 27.05.10 09:06:05 by Letgo Reply
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  • if I post

  • Comment 52, posted at 27.05.10 09:06:20 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • lots of messages

  • Comment 53, posted at 27.05.10 09:06:37 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • I get

  • Comment 54, posted at 27.05.10 09:06:53 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 47) : Of course you can! That way you can show your potential employers how much time you spend blogging :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 55, posted at 27.05.10 09:06:54 by war1 Reply
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  • lots of

  • Comment 56, posted at 27.05.10 09:07:10 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • stars?

  • Comment 57, posted at 27.05.10 09:07:29 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • Could be worse he could have just done a Carl Hayman

    …and said International Rugby …no thanks, good luck chaps ! :evil:

  • Comment 58, posted at 27.05.10 09:09:15 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 49) : teh thing is that it just creates such bad atmosphere before the test match and o boy.. Boks never lost to Wales as far as I know and it would be a pity to break this tradition – especially that they are in our group in the WC :roll:

  • Comment 59, posted at 27.05.10 09:09:15 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 57) : post articles and you get more

  • Comment 60, posted at 27.05.10 09:11:27 by war1 Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 59) :

    Then again if you select ridiculous sides like this anything could happen !

  • Comment 61, posted at 27.05.10 09:11:51 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 44) : :lol:

    It’s almost getting to much to talk about this, we all know how players get messed up when moved around to much, yet coaches continue doing the same thing.

    I think if Steyn was selected in one of any of the positions he has played for the Boks before and left there for a season or two, he would have made that position his own. So where he was selected was never the problem, it’s how many times he’s been selected in different positions. What’s the stats now, 5 times in each back-line position? Except 10, he only played there once or twice.

  • Comment 62, posted at 27.05.10 09:12:15 by Letgo Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 60) : How do you post articles?

  • Comment 63, posted at 27.05.10 09:12:32 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • OK. All very detailed answers. SO thank you. You all get a star. When I get a couple of stars I’ll put them on my pic like the old “Scope” days.

  • Comment 64, posted at 27.05.10 09:13:27 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 61) : they were a few players out of position but good players when you come to think of it. Both Pienaar and Steyn had good games for boks at 10 and 15.

  • Comment 65, posted at 27.05.10 09:14:14 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 57) : Yes, but you’ll annoy all of us :mrgreen:
    @war1 (Comment 60) : 100 points, worth 20 comments…do you have some journalistic skills, or a scoop on the Steyn story…it’s worth 100 points.

  • Comment 66, posted at 27.05.10 09:15:15 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 62) : Yes, at the Sharks they have Dick to thank for some of this. In the 2008 super 14, he selected a different center combination for 8 games in a row (despite the fact the Sharks were winning!). Smit to Tighthead was all PdV though.

  • Comment 67, posted at 27.05.10 09:15:47 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 49) : I wouldn’t pick him right now either, but I WOULD pick him ahead of Daniller.

  • Comment 68, posted at 27.05.10 09:16:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 64) : Raging! You better look good in stars though!

  • Comment 69, posted at 27.05.10 09:16:26 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 64) : just checked out your site… that iPhone app looks awesome. Are it free?

  • Comment 70, posted at 27.05.10 09:17:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 59) : Played 23. SA has won 21, lost 1, drawn 1.

  • Comment 71, posted at 27.05.10 09:17:03 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) : email me and I’ll send you a free one. :)

  • Comment 72, posted at 27.05.10 09:17:32 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 63) : ask rob for admin rights first

  • Comment 73, posted at 27.05.10 09:17:32 by war1 Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 63) : Ask someone with a sheriff like badge at the top right of their picture (which means they are an administrator) to give you Autor rights on Sharksworld.

  • Comment 74, posted at 27.05.10 09:17:58 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 15) : i think Pat lambie is with the U/20`s, preparing for the world cup?? when is the u/20 world champs?

  • Comment 75, posted at 27.05.10 09:17:58 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 73) : so you call it admin rights, but you’ll get a neat little pen and paper at the top right of your picture, which means your an author.

  • Comment 76, posted at 27.05.10 09:20:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • I feel ‘neked’ without them stars.

  • Comment 77, posted at 27.05.10 09:21:24 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • This whole story smells a bit fishy to me! You can’t tell me that PDV didn’t have Steyn’s direct cell number – hell even if he changed it when he went up North, it well documented that Steyn and Ruan are good mates – surely he could have gotten the info from him or John Smit for that matter…if PDV really wanted Frans in the side, and if he really is as good as a “man manager” as people say surely he would have found away.I mean this is the guy that goes to players homes – you can’t tell me he couldn’t get hold of Frans contact details.
    And if Frans did behave the way the article says, then his father needs to give him a clip around the ear and tell him to be the better person.

    But somehow – I think the that what we are being fed is not actually what is going on.

  • Comment 78, posted at 27.05.10 09:22:33 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • And what the HELL does Patrick Lambie have to do to get picked!!!! PDV proves me right every day!

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  • @Letgo (Comment 76) : author rights i think :oops:

  • Comment 80, posted at 27.05.10 09:24:39 by war1 Reply
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  • Oh…PS…Frans Steyn for President! ;-)

  • Comment 81, posted at 27.05.10 09:25:05 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 78) : Why should the Bok coach chase after any player?

  • Comment 82, posted at 27.05.10 09:29:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 80) : :lol:

  • Comment 83, posted at 27.05.10 09:29:59 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 83) : HEY! I’LL DELETE THAT COMMENT!! :evil: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 84, posted at 27.05.10 09:31:31 by war1 Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 82) : Sorry my mistake…thought it was the Coach who selected the players, and if that was the case it would be up to him to notify the players selected. But you’re right every player available to SARU should phone PDV to ask if they have been selected…so shouldn’t he make his cell number available then?

  • Comment 85, posted at 27.05.10 09:32:38 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • I think most of you guys are just jumping on the “let’s bash Frans Steyn” band-wagon… Let’s face it, the only players who really mean it when they say: “I’ll play in any position for the Boks” are the ones who realise they’re not good enough to get into the team by sticking to their own position. John Smit is a case in point… he’s not necessarily being just patriotic (although I’m sure that is a part of it), but I’m very sure he’s looking after his own interests too. Cos I bet you the Bok Coach sat him down and said: “Listen John, Bismark is too good to ignore, if you want to secure your place in the team to 2011 you’re going to have to make space for Bismark”. Why else would John put himself through all that pain and suffering so late in his career.

    I say well done to Steyn for sticking to his principles, whatever the possible implications. We need more people like that in general, not soppy “YES” men… just because you’re a young player and should feel honoured to play for the Springboks (Which I’m 100% sure he does) why is that an excuse for your bosses to F***K you around!!!

    I bet there are a number of reasons why he is upset…
    1)he probably wasn’t consulted by his coach, and probably only heard via the grapevine that he is expected to play on the 5th June (If the fact that SARU say they can’t get hold of him, then I’m guessing this is definitely the case)
    2)He knows he is being “used” for the match because Div doesn’t really want to use overseas based players, and is only doing it so he can rest his frontline players. So if this is only going to be a one-off for Steyn why should he bend over backwards to help a coach that doesn’t respect him enough to even contact him?
    3)I bet he wanted to contact Div to ask if he could rather be considered for the centre position, using the same logic as us that it’s pointless using Butch if it’s not a long term solution. So imagine how pissed off you would be if you desperately want to get hold of your boss to discuss your future, and your employers refuse to let you speak to your boss.
    4) I’m sure he’s in close contact with Ruan Pienaar and knows first hand how badly Ruan is being treated at the moment… and as a close friend and colleague I’m sure he’s taking some of Ruan’s anguish upon himself.

    So stop bashing Steyn… and for one minute stop to think how you would feel if you were being treated with disrespect from your current employer… and drop the cliched “he should feel honoured to be a bok” excuse as if thats reason to be walked all over by your employers. I bet if you’re honest you wouldn’t like it either.

    So, good for Steyn for sticking to his principles and holding his Coach and Bok employers accountable for their incompetency w.r.t player management!!!!

  • Comment 86, posted at 27.05.10 09:58:43 by CS Reply

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  • Wow… that rant turned out to be longer than I thought it would :oops:

  • Comment 87, posted at 27.05.10 09:59:29 by CS Reply

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  • @VanWilder (comment 75) : under 20 world champs start JUNE 5 saturday, but on the case of pat lambie there is no reason why they can’t just call him up to the senior team,australia did it last year with james o.corner and he turned out great! and his 19 too.

  • Comment 88, posted at 27.05.10 10:02:31 by Poisy Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 86) : i was just mentioning the technical point earlier : where did he send this sms to if he does not have a number.

  • Comment 89, posted at 27.05.10 10:15:25 by rekinek Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 87) : but was read with interest ;-)

  • Comment 90, posted at 27.05.10 10:15:57 by rekinek Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 87) : but reasonably well thought out, and perhaps valid

  • Comment 91, posted at 27.05.10 10:17:58 by Greg Reply

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  • Fransie Steyn, rather keep milking the cows there on the farm :evil:

  • Comment 92, posted at 27.05.10 10:19:26 by Charlie Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 89) : As with all journalism the detail is usually missing… I’m guessing in desperation he eventually got Divs cell number from a team mate and then after leaving numerous unreturned voice messages eventually sent an sms. (Makes sense that that’s how it would happen?)

  • Comment 93, posted at 27.05.10 10:26:44 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 86) : Frans Steyn, Principles? :lol: :lol: :lol:

    He’s proven himself to be an arrogant and self centered little twirp who believes he’s doing the boks a favor to allow them to pick him, and if they want to pick him they must do it on his self loving terms.

    He didn’t want Pdv to tell him personally that he’s been selected, he probably wanted Pdv to ask his permission to be picked.

  • Comment 94, posted at 27.05.10 10:28:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 92) : And in the same vane… let’s hope AD Jacobs rather sticks to his old-age nursing home. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 95, posted at 27.05.10 10:29:03 by CS Reply

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  • The more this SA Rugby freak show changes the more it stays the same. Bunch of bloody morons. :evil: :evil: :evil:

    How the players manage under this lot is a miracle. If science could capture the collective IQ of SARFU and transfer it to a goldfish, the goldfish would become stupider.

  • Comment 96, posted at 27.05.10 10:29:59 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 91) : jeeez – we are nice people :lol:

  • Comment 97, posted at 27.05.10 10:31:12 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 92) : maybe cows are scarred of his hair :mrgreen:

  • Comment 98, posted at 27.05.10 10:32:05 by rekinek Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 86) : *lots of clapping*…was beginning to think I was the lone ranger wrt holding the fort down for Frans.

  • Comment 99, posted at 27.05.10 10:49:02 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • I think Frans’s dad is closer to being part of the problem than part of the solution

  • Comment 100, posted at 27.05.10 11:01:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 87) :

    Great rant

    @Just a Fan (Comment 99) :

    Just why won’t he front up ?

  • Comment 101, posted at 27.05.10 11:04:38 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 95) : Well seems like the Oupa had been missed more by the Sharks then the prima donna :twisted:

  • Comment 102, posted at 27.05.10 12:45:00 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 102) : you get 1000 points for that comment!

  • Comment 103, posted at 27.05.10 12:46:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Newlands stadium http://stadiums.in3sixty.com/gigapixel/newlands/tag/

  • Comment 104, posted at 27.05.10 12:49:48 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 103) : WHOOP ! WHOOP ! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 105, posted at 27.05.10 12:54:10 by Charlie Reply

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  • Peter de Villiers blames Frans Steyn’s agent Gerrie Swart for the controversy surrounding the fullback’s selection.

    The Springboks face Wales in Cardiff on 5 June in their first Test of the year. De Villiers has decided to include overseas-based players in the match 22, which sees Steyn selected at fullback in the starting line-up for the first time since the Tri-Nations clash against the All Blacks in Hamilton last year.

    However, it was reported in Die Burger on Thursday that Steyn sent De Villiers an SMS earlier this week saying he does not want to play against Wales. It is also rumoured that the two have a strained relationship, which is behind Steyn’s withdrawal. De Villiers has denied these claims.

    ‘There has never been tension between Frans and I. The problem involves me and Frans’s agent Gerrie Swart,’ said De Villiers.

    ‘Gerrie has poisoned Frans’s mind by saying I don’t want him in the Springbok setup, which is far from the truth. It’s because of these lies that Frans does not want to play for the Boks.’

    De Villiers said Swart was playing the middle man between him and Steyn in a deceitful way.

    ‘Two weeks ago, Gerrie sent me an e-mail saying on Frans’s behalf that he doesn’t want to play for the Boks. He also suggested some players I should replace Frans with. Who is he to tell me, the head coach, who to select?’

    De Villiers said there has been poor communication between him and Steyn, but believes the truth will be revealed when the two parties meet in Johannesburg on Friday.

    ‘I haven’t heard from Frans since he left for Racing Metro after the Test in Hamilton last year. It is true that he sent me an SMS earlier this week, but it didn’t say he didn’t want to play for the Boks. He tried to get hold of me. We tried to call him back but we couldn’t get through to him after several attempts.

    ‘But I don’t think I should have to call Frans to find out if he wants to play for the Boks. I don’t call John Smit, I don’t call Victor Matfield, no player gets special treatment.

    ‘[Springbok convenor of selectors] Peter Jooste has now organised a meeting with Frans and Gerrie tomorrow [Friday]. Peter invited me along and I accepted because I want to look in Gerrie’s eyes and Frans’s eyes and see where the truth lies. I want to hear from Frans himself whether he wants to play for the Boks or not.’

  • Comment 106, posted at 27.05.10 12:55:24 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 106) : A player agent as the cause of the problem, I can’t believe that :lol:

  • Comment 107, posted at 27.05.10 13:09:24 by Greg Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 100) : if anything that is where the problem lies , and not so much frans himself

  • Comment 108, posted at 27.05.10 13:14:47 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • ;-) but me also thinks best to reserve judgement once the facts come out on friday

    people have the tedency to if they dont like a player to slate the crap out of him or for example pdiv

    none of us know the actual truth

    so my judgement on the matter is lets judge after the actual facts come out

  • Comment 109, posted at 27.05.10 13:19:06 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 61) :

    That ridiculous team has over 500 tests caps!!

    They might even be good enough to beat NZ imo. :roll:

  • Comment 110, posted at 27.05.10 13:23:07 by wpw Reply
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  • ier is iets wat Morne uit gelig het wat vir my nogals sin maak…

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    As most will know now thanks to the article above, Frans is managed by Gerrie Swartz, his agent.

    Now the deal with Metro was apparently concluded before Frans made a name for himself last year at fullback, to which he publicly commended Peter for sticking by him, supporting him and for once played him in one position.

    In fact, Peter played Frans last year as an overseas based player since Frans after the Super 14, was no longer contracted to the Sharks but Metro as this site (I believe) reported.

    Following 2009, and the season Frans had with the Boks he was obviously not to keen to give it all up, but since he signed a contract, he had to go, and his agent made him.

    I think it is public knowledge that Frans is earning a **** lot of money in France, and I also think it is quite obvious to everyone that because of this, his agent will of course also earn quite a lot of money because of this.

    If Frans, who by all accounts from what I heard, wants to come back to SA and play for an SA team to please the Bok coach and give himself the best chance of going to next year’s World Cup, he, and his agent, will take a massive paycut.

    IRB regulations however states, that if a player is selected for his national team, the club has to release him.

    If Peter, from what I have heard, selects him for most tests this year including the expanded 3N, Frans will not be available for his club in France a lot of the time. This is not good for the club, as they do not get the value out of Frans as they want and the money they spent on him.

    This obviously puts his future with said club in danger, and the agent’s commission too.

    So the only real option here is hoping (or deliberately ensuring) Frans does not get selected for the Boks.

    When I first read the article about this whole Frans issue, I thought it was a badly written article which mainly grasped at straws, i.e. the fact that people in SA Rugby not wanting to give the coach’s number to Frans but Frans effectively sms’ the coach to pull out of the test (which of course is flatly denied by the coach himself in this article above).

    I then had a look who wrote the article.

    Hendrik Cronje.

    Now Gerrie Swartz and his partner contract quite a number of Bloem or old Grey boys including CJ, Brussow, Juan etc. Interesting to note as-well is the Gerrie, and Hendrik Cronje who writes for the Volksblad (Bloem based paper) from which this article appeared (translated into English for News24) were in fact classmates…

    I reckon a good exercise will be to go back and look who wrote articles about Frans in the past from a positive or negative spin perspective…

    A lot of people stand to lose a lot of things here.

    Frans his place in Bok rugby and World Cup
    Peter a great player
    Gerrie a **** load of money…

    Frans apparently made over R10-mil last year, and is not flustered too much about the bucks, but he is quite concerned about the Boks.

    Now who has the most to lose? And where and to who does all these lose ends point to?

    Peter is not allowed to see Frans alone (remined me of Rassie Erasmus and Frikkie not so long ago) but only with his agent, which is why I suppose he said in the article above, he wants to look both of them in the eye, and find out just who is talking kak here…

    I know who I am leaning towards most.

  • Comment 111, posted at 27.05.10 13:25:52 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 111) :
    A lot of food for thought here…..would love to be a fly on the wall at THIS meeting ;-)

    I wonder who will do the talking…Frans or Gerrie….wonder whether Frans will be allowed to open is mouth !

  • Comment 112, posted at 27.05.10 13:36:00 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 109) :

    I know you’re a big fan of Frans Verstaan BUT if he is allowing his agent to mislead him then he is very naieve.

    Any Bok supporter will give his left nut to play for the Boks and yet it seems as if Frans doesn’t give a damn!!

  • Comment 113, posted at 27.05.10 13:36:07 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 113) : He has won a world cup and i suspect there is some journalistic license in the stories we read.

    And he is a kid still.

  • Comment 114, posted at 27.05.10 13:43:03 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 106) : :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: soop soop – what a soapie – I’m in tears :roll: :roll:
    in so many respects that rugby is still so far from professionalism.

  • Comment 115, posted at 27.05.10 13:44:33 by rekinek Reply
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  • :shock: :shock: :shock: WDF.

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 111) : i also would not be too much flustered with the bucks if I had 10mln in my account. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 117, posted at 27.05.10 13:46:46 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 113) : like i said wpw ill reserve judgment till i know the facts

    i am not going to run down steyn or pdiv on hearsay

    we are all quick to judge and i am sure the truth will come out unless saru plays a role in sweeping it under the carpet

    which is pretty comming in SA

  • Comment 118, posted at 27.05.10 13:47:51 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 117) : get it right 22.3 million ;-) :lol:

  • Comment 119, posted at 27.05.10 13:48:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 113) : i think it is always easy to blame everything on the agent – it is a bit like playing a good cop and the bad cop by two people in the same team. Negotiation tactic you call it.

    The agents are hired and paid by players, if a player is unhappy with the agent then terminate his services. simple

  • Comment 120, posted at 27.05.10 13:50:07 by rekinek Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 118) : and the thing is the pblic will never know the whole truth so either way we can go on the thing until we are blue.

    the real upshot is the neither party will come out of this looking professional. So we can moan about a bad PR.

  • Comment 121, posted at 27.05.10 13:53:01 by rekinek Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 119) : :oops: :mrgreen:

    i also would not be too much flustered with the bucks if I had 22.3 mln in my account :mrgreen:

  • Comment 122, posted at 27.05.10 13:54:00 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 120) : Simples ;)

  • Comment 123, posted at 27.05.10 14:03:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 86) : I don’t think Frans is demanding anything, but I still think if he is…he’s an ass. You play where they put you and prove your worth on the field. So if and remember I’m saying IF, if these facts are true as you read them in this article, then nothing you say will change the fact that he’s an ass.

    Demand it from the Sharks, or any other team your playing for, but not when playing for your national team.

  • Comment 124, posted at 27.05.10 14:23:40 by Letgo Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 110) :

    Still a ridiculous side…… do you think it will win !

    …it better or i will be right !

  • Comment 125, posted at 27.05.10 14:41:47 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 107) : Bernie Habana :twisted:

  • Comment 126, posted at 27.05.10 14:44:54 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 124) : to me, the Sharks are more important that a national team, so it pisses me off that he thinks he can jerk them around too.

  • Comment 127, posted at 27.05.10 14:57:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • I wonder if Frans Steyn woulda sent them packing if he was chosen at 12?

  • Comment 128, posted at 27.05.10 17:01:27 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 113) :

    I don’t klnow so much, he doesn’t KNOW his agent is misleading him, He is just taking what his agent says as gospel.

    Why do I feel like this agent is a [email protected]@s?

  • Comment 129, posted at 27.05.10 18:55:06 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • It would be so awesome if Frans does an about turn after Friday’s meeting.

    That will be a big fat middle finger in the agents eye.

  • Comment 130, posted at 27.05.10 18:56:53 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 127) : True, but you do agree that the Sharks should have selected him in only one spot and stuck with that selection. 10, 12, 13, 14, 15…who cares which one of those they chose, just had to pick one not all of them…

    …having said that, I think the fact that Fransie never really knew what he wanted, didn’t make that very easy on our selectors.

    Who’s to blame, I think everyone involved needs to take some of the responsibility.

    As far as this story goes, I don’t know enough to say for sure who I’m unhappy with, but I don’t even like the idea of a coach having to have a meeting with a player to see if he really wants to play for the Boks. I think Rob, you know how much I like Steyntjie, but this is to much. It’s a slap in the face to talented players in the country.

    Steyn gets begged, they can’t even make a second string, experimental team???

  • Comment 131, posted at 28.05.10 08:13:56 by Letgo Reply
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