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Steyn v Boks: the truth


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Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 28 May 2010 at 06:55
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Springbok coach Peter de Villiers and World Cup-winning utility back Frans Steyn WILL meet in Johannesburg on Friday to thrash out the player’s future. That is the truth.

rugby365.com can reveal that the reported fall-out between the Bok coach and the talented young French-based star has been laid at the door of Steyn’s agent, Gerrie Swart.

De Villiers, fed up with trying to get hold of Steyn via his agent, will not make any calls on his team to meet Wales in Cardiff on June 5 until he has had the opportunity to meet with Steyn, face-to-face.

And that meeting, according to De Villiers’s Media Manager Anthony Mackaiser, will take place on Friday.

There has been plenty of media speculation and conjecture surrounding Steyn’s Bok future, despite the Racing Metro star being named at fullback for the Welsh Test.

The matter was further clouded on Thursday when South African Rugby Union President Oregan Hoskins – speaking on Eye Witness News – denied that there was a rift between De Villiers and Steyn.

However, Mackaiser confirmed that De Villiers’s main gripe was with Steyn’s agent who has insisted on acting as a middle man – thereby making his player virtually “uncontactable”.

“Nothing will be confirmed and no replacements will be named until Peter de Villiers has spoken to Frans Steyn,” Mackaiser told rugby365.com on Thursday.

The Bok Media Manager confirmed that the two, De Villiers and Steyn, would be meeting up on Friday – having, up until now, communicated through Swart (Steyn’s agent). (De Villiers has, on record, expressed his disappointment at the behaviour of the player’s agent.)

De Villiers has not spoken to Steyn since he left for France after the 2009 Tri-Nations. The Bok boss confirmed that he received an SMS from the player earlier this week, but this SMS made no reference to Steyn’s availability, or lack thereof. The player simply indicated that he wanted to talk to the Bok coach.

Understandably, now, De Villiers is upset that he has had to chase the player – something that he does not even have to do to high-profile veterans like captain John Smit and vice-captain Victor Matfield.

“I coach players, not agents; the players are the ones I want to talk to,” De Villiers told the Sunday Tribune. “I have no time for this nonsense.”

Meanwhile, another of Swart’s players, Bok and Sharks utility Ruan Pienaar, has officially put pen to paper with Irish Province, Ulster – where he will join Bok lock Johann Muller and prop BJ Botha.

Pienaar, who has been named at flyhalf for next month’s Test against Wales, now also faces an uncertain Bok future.

“I am picking up a common thread – players want me to pick them when they are based overseas. It is not going to happen. I won’t dish out preferential treatment. It is not fair on the guys that remain here,” De Villiers told the Sunday Tribune.

Article Courtesy of Jan De Koning at Rugby 365.



66 Comments

  • No overseas based players should be picked to wear the Green And Gold ever again. Screw these ungrateful, big headed bastards :evil:

  • Comment 1, posted at 28.05.10 07:02:08 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 1) :

    Why are you holding back let it all out. :smile:

  • Comment 2, posted at 28.05.10 07:16:22 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • player agents are unfortunately a necessary EVIL that have to be put up with in any professional sport.

    unfortunately any of them that i have come across are more than just evil… :evil:

  • Comment 3, posted at 28.05.10 07:17:53 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • @KSA Stormer © (Comment 2) : :oops: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 28.05.10 07:35:22 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Morning gents!! :wink:
    How are you on this beautiful morning??

  • Comment 5, posted at 28.05.10 08:03:17 by wpw Reply
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  • Alo alo to all

  • Comment 6, posted at 28.05.10 08:15:03 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 5) :

    @provincejoulekkading (Comment 6) :

    Morning lads.

    you ready for tomorrow?

  • Comment 7, posted at 28.05.10 08:37:11 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • So Gerrie swart is more after money than anything else. thats why the Sharks and SA rugby are loosing there great players.

  • Comment 8, posted at 28.05.10 08:41:21 by Uli Reply
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  • We were born ready bru!! :cool:

  • Comment 9, posted at 28.05.10 08:44:05 by wpw Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 8) :

    Seems like it to me and unfortunately it is money forhimslef that is the most important not for his player.

    I might be the 1st Admin ever to be banned from a website if i say what i think of the guy.

  • Comment 10, posted at 28.05.10 08:44:22 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 9) : :mrgreen:

    No I didn’t say there was gonna be a party tomorrow, i meant for the rugby game. :)

  • Comment 11, posted at 28.05.10 08:45:00 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • Is this Gerrie chap Ruan’s agent as well??

  • Comment 12, posted at 28.05.10 08:45:23 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 12) :

    I don’t think so. Hope not.

  • Comment 13, posted at 28.05.10 08:46:50 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • this gerrie swart fool is behind all these staters leaving the sharks, he is in for his own commission!

  • Comment 14, posted at 28.05.10 08:47:32 by Megatron Reply

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  • whose truth ?

  • Comment 15, posted at 28.05.10 08:49:07 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 14) :

    NO DUDE!!!!! You can’t say that. I don’t like agreeing with things you say. :razz:

  • Comment 16, posted at 28.05.10 08:49:30 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 15) :

    I think we’ll find out after today’s meeting. :smile:

  • Comment 17, posted at 28.05.10 08:50:35 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 12) : Isn’t his agent Hilton Houghton or somebody like that.

  • Comment 18, posted at 28.05.10 08:50:58 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 14) :

    He represents Juan Smith as well. :roll:

    Can anyone confirm if Juan has signed for another union as I heard he is also leaving this year!

  • Comment 19, posted at 28.05.10 08:53:21 by wpw Reply
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  • Check this out:

    My new boss just told me her boyfriend supports the Sharks!! :lol:

    He is from Jozi though, born and bred!! :???: :?:

  • Comment 20, posted at 28.05.10 08:54:59 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 19) : I think him and Brussouw re-signed last year with Cheetahs. Doesn’t it just tell you that perhaps it’s not agents doing :roll:

  • Comment 21, posted at 28.05.10 08:55:05 by rekinek Reply
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  • the petulant francois steyn started all this talk of he should be selected even if he is overseas because he is the best! And saying things like “maybe peter doesn’t believe i’m good enough to play for the Boks” what the hell?

  • Comment 22, posted at 28.05.10 08:55:22 by Megatron Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 20) : great ! so as a closet sharks fan you have inside lane :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 28.05.10 08:59:32 by rekinek Reply
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  • Who cares – GO Stormers :twisted:

  • Comment 24, posted at 28.05.10 09:41:32 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 1) :

    I’m with Jarson X….. no overseas based players full stop.

    As the great PDV is quickly finding out when they are not contracted to the SARU it all get too complicated !

  • Comment 25, posted at 28.05.10 09:44:27 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Hehehe
    No comment :lol:

  • Comment 26, posted at 28.05.10 09:45:07 by wpw Reply
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  • It was a stupid team selection idea in the first place….it’s starting to detract from the job in hand.

    Shouldn’t the coach be preparing for beating Wales or is that a given. :???:

  • Comment 27, posted at 28.05.10 09:45:53 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 24) :

    :mrgreen: :oops:

  • Comment 28, posted at 28.05.10 09:47:14 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 19) : I think it was in an interview with Juan in the Sunday Times, he wants to leave at the end of next year and make some cash for a bit, think he said he had offers from almost every other union in SA, so whichever offers more he’d probably go with. Don’t think he wanted to go overseas tho. I’ll see if I can find the arti.

  • Comment 29, posted at 28.05.10 10:02:05 by molly Reply
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  • Ah ha…

    “While fiercely loyal to the Cheetahs, he concedes that next year may be his last for them.

    “It’s not just about loyalty, I guess. This is my job and I love it here. The Cheetahs have been good to me, but I need to support my wife and child and I may be moving to one of the bigger provinces next season.

    “I don’t want to say which one as I am still negotiating with the Cheetahs. If they offer me what the Stormers, Lions, Bulls or Sharks will, then I will stay,” he says. “

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/rugby/article451562.ece/Inspirational-Juan-breaks-through-the-grief-barrier

  • Comment 30, posted at 28.05.10 10:04:08 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 29) :

    I hear Racing Metro is nice ! :???:

    ….he will really be able to be himself there ! ;-)

  • Comment 31, posted at 28.05.10 10:05:53 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Man Im feeling dof this morning.
    Help me out here please….
    The fuss is about Steyn, an overseas based player, not making himself available for the Boks, but right at the end of the article PdiVVy says “I am picking up a common thread – players want me to pick them when they are based overseas. It is not going to happen. I won’t dish out preferential treatment. It is not fair on the guys that remain here,” De Villiers told the Sunday Tribune.

    Surely if that is his view and what he believes then he is just muddying the waters and settiing a precedent by doing exactly what he says he doesnt believe in.
    On the one hand we have him slagging offf overseas based players right after he has selected half a team full of them to play for the Boks.
    Not good.

  • Comment 32, posted at 28.05.10 10:08:07 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 30) :

    with that logic while wouldn’t he just get on the plane to Toulon !

    If looking after the family is the highest priority !

  • Comment 33, posted at 28.05.10 10:09:10 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 32) : The only reason he selected them is so he can rest his top players and not have to worry about flying most of them over for a nothing game, its not going to be a regular thing. I think everyone knows that.

    Lets see what happens with France… cheers all overseas players… and maybe even Pienaar now.

  • Comment 34, posted at 28.05.10 10:10:14 by molly Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 32) :

    A complicated thinker ! :roll:

  • Comment 35, posted at 28.05.10 10:10:32 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 33) : I think he’s too much of a farmer/boer boy to do the France thing, who knows. Maybe he still wants to be eligible for the Boks for a while longer.

  • Comment 36, posted at 28.05.10 10:12:18 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 34) :

    What Wales a nothing game …. how do you work that one out !

  • Comment 37, posted at 28.05.10 10:12:47 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 36) :

    Seems that your still eligible playing in France :?:

    How could you not want to move to the South of France to the best club on the planet…..by a country mile !

    Fun times ! ;-)

  • Comment 38, posted at 28.05.10 10:14:39 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 37) : Cause it was organised so late and was never part of the calendar, purely a money spinner. When all the talk has been about resting players. Obviously we don’t want to lose it, but it should never have been organised in the first place.

  • Comment 39, posted at 28.05.10 10:19:27 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 39) : Agreed !

  • Comment 40, posted at 28.05.10 10:28:57 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • I think the truth is quite simple. Fransie wants to be a springbok but on normal conditions that is if he is selected for Tri NATIONS and so on . If he is to play only against Wales he said no thank you very much. So I expect the result of the meeting will be that he won,t play vs Wales which is very sad from my point of view.

  • Comment 41, posted at 28.05.10 10:32:52 by tedanica Reply
     
  • @rekinek (Comment 18) : Houghton used to be Pienaar’s “commercial adviser” or something to that effect. My understanding is that they are no longer involved, though.

  • Comment 42, posted at 28.05.10 10:35:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • But it says in the article:

    Meanwhile, another of Swart’s players, Bok and Sharks utility Ruan Pienaar, has officially put pen to paper with Irish Province, Ulster – where he will join Bok lock Johann Muller and prop BJ Botha.

    So that must mean Pienaar is managed by Swarts, right?

  • Comment 43, posted at 28.05.10 10:42:57 by molly Reply
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  • Found this on iAfrica:

    “However, iafrica.com can now reveal that in a break from the stated intention this year will see a host of overseas-based players being used by Bok coach Peter de Villiers and his coaching staff – to help avoid burnout of those players expected to go to the World Cup.

    And in an additional spin-off it will be an ideal opportunity for De Villiers to have a look at those players based in Europe, the United Kingdom and Ireland. “

    and this:
    “And De Villiers will only consider players who already have Springbok colours, meaning the Bok jersey won’t be cheapened.”

    you can read more here:
    http://sport.iafrica.com/news/2276680.htm

    The intention is that only because its just before WC these players are getting a look in, otherwise they wouldn’t.

  • Comment 44, posted at 28.05.10 10:48:53 by molly Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : true, Ruan got married :mrgreen:

  • Comment 45, posted at 28.05.10 10:51:35 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 45) : i think you should give me this clown nose icon :roll:

  • Comment 46, posted at 28.05.10 10:52:05 by rekinek Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 34) :Of course everyone knows that, but read it chronologically – he selects Steyn and then on the weekend Steyn must read Divs rant about overseas players. I dont blame Steyn in that case. The fact remains if you have a policy – have the balls to stick to it in all situations. That way you wont cause confussion.

  • Comment 47, posted at 28.05.10 11:23:11 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 35) :
    Who me, Steyn, his agent, Pdivvy???

  • Comment 48, posted at 28.05.10 11:27:48 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 35) : maybe he has math major ;-) :lol:

  • Comment 49, posted at 28.05.10 11:28:47 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 45) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 50, posted at 28.05.10 11:38:16 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • Does anyone know weather Waylon Murray will feature at all for the Sharks in this coming Currie Cup ?

  • Comment 51, posted at 28.05.10 11:38:45 by Dalz Reply

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  • :roll: All this “hot air” again :|

    I say, pick the best team, what does it matter where the guys are playing their rugby………………

  • Comment 52, posted at 28.05.10 11:42:18 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 47) : I agree

  • Comment 53, posted at 28.05.10 12:01:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dalz (Comment 51) : our info is that Waylon is moving to the Lions

  • Comment 54, posted at 28.05.10 12:02:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 37) :

    @molly (Comment 39) :

    Also that Wales are on record that they will be fielding a rookie side for this match.

  • Comment 55, posted at 28.05.10 12:06:51 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • @KSA Stormer © (Comment 55) : I saw an ad on SS – xxx matches and one loss – this still hurts … Boks against Wales – :cool: ad

  • Comment 56, posted at 28.05.10 12:10:55 by rekinek Reply
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  • Any news from the meeting ?

    Or they still talking?

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  • @rekinek (Comment 56) : Saw it last night, super ad.

  • Comment 58, posted at 28.05.10 15:02:55 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 30) : Juan should have left the Cheetahs years ago, he would have become an even better player where he didn’t have to carry a team.

  • Comment 59, posted at 28.05.10 15:54:00 by lostfish Reply
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  • I am picking up a common thread – players want me to pick them when they are based overseas. It is not going to happen.

    HUH?? Oh Snor! And you’ve been doing so well keeping your idiotic statements in the media in check!! :roll:

  • Comment 60, posted at 28.05.10 17:13:01 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 60) : pdv has picked it up from francois steyn’s statements! All the other bokke smit, matfield, fourie, botha, james etc made their or are trying to make their way back into the country to be elligible to play but francois in january this year said he disagrees with the coach’s foreign policy! And that he should be selected to go to the world cup!

  • Comment 61, posted at 28.05.10 18:35:38 by Megatron Reply

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  • frans and pdv have made peace and frans will play against wales next week!

  • Comment 62, posted at 28.05.10 18:38:24 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 62) :

    Did you see the Crusaders think they can win the race for Sonny Bill Williams signiture. :cool:

  • Comment 63, posted at 28.05.10 18:43:17 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 63) : what the hell has this sonny bill williams done? Where does he play?

  • Comment 64, posted at 28.05.10 19:04:22 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 64) :

    Hehehehehehhehe I should have gone with my head.

    i was gonna post a “MT doesn’t even know WHO SBW is” copmment and then thought better of it. :lol:

  • Comment 65, posted at 28.05.10 19:07:34 by KSA Stormer © Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 64) :

    SBW is/was one of the best ever centers in league and is now playing for Toulon. ABs him but couldn’t get him sometime back.

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