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Not another flyhalf crisis?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 2 Aug 2010 at 11:11
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John Plumtree looks like he may have to choose between starting Monty Dumond at flyhalf against the Lions this weekend, or risk moving Pat Lambie to his third position in five games.

Starting flyhalf Steve Meyer went off after an hour against the Cheetahs, suffering from a combination of what looked like a broken nose as well as a knee problem of some sorts. Plumtree today confirmed on the Sharks website that the pivot has a ligament problem and is in doubt for this weekend’s game. Ruan Pienaar, who replaced Meyer, also went off after 70 minutes, having injured the AC joint in his shoulder, making him a virtual certainty to miss this weekend’s game.

Dumond was a late addition to the starting lineup against the Pumas two weeks ago and if reports are to be believed, was far from impressive. He’s a class player on his day, though and should probably get the nod ahead of Lambie, since moving the youngster would leave the coaches short of options at inside centre, unless Riaan Swanepoel is to be recalled from the club rugby ranks.

Another option – albeit a very left-field one – is to bring Guy Cronje straight in, although having only had 30 minutes of rugby under his belt since missing out on almost a year’s action due to injury, this would be a risky move indeed.

Louis Ludik is the other injury doubt after the weekend’s game, having hyper-extended his knee.



79 Comments

  • Get in Ricardo Croy from the Pumas.I seeryaas

  • Comment 1, posted at 02.08.10 11:14:30 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 1) : can’t. He’s cup-tied.

  • Comment 2, posted at 02.08.10 11:15:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • I say play Dumond and see if he performs, with Strauss on the bench.

    If Dumond sucks, move Lambie at half time and bring strauss in at inside centre.

  • Comment 3, posted at 02.08.10 11:18:16 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • anyone but monty, he’s really shit, who’s the under 21 flyhalf??

  • Comment 4, posted at 02.08.10 11:18:59 by willa Reply

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  • @willa (Comment 4) : Willie du Plessis. He’s pretty decent…

  • Comment 5, posted at 02.08.10 11:25:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • Bad luck for Steve… As much as I rate Lambie, I dont want to see him becoming the new Steyn/Pienaar being shunted to every position in the backs. Leave him at 12. Start Dumond (fok) and have Cronje on the bench.

    Ludik is unfortunate… Strauss in at 13 with Stef at the back

    I didnt see the game, but the reports are that the new-look Lions back (Jantjies and Taute) where excellent against the Bulls. Another game where we need to arrive expecting a hard game.

  • Comment 6, posted at 02.08.10 11:35:25 by Mole Reply

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  • Dammit, this flyhalf position, it’s a curse I tell you :smile:

  • Comment 7, posted at 02.08.10 11:37:32 by CapeShark Reply
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  • Dammit!! Couldnt this have happened a week before the WP game!! :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 8, posted at 02.08.10 11:42:43 by wpw Reply
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  • How long before Pretoors is available to play?

  • Comment 9, posted at 02.08.10 11:43:35 by CS Reply

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  • @CapeShark (Comment 7) :

    See you guys should have contracted Dollie!! Ek sé mos maar julle wille luister nie!! :lol: :???:

  • Comment 10, posted at 02.08.10 11:43:57 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw

    So you do see the Sharks as a threat?!

  • Comment 11, posted at 02.08.10 11:45:11 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) :

    Of course we do. :roll:

    You guys always produce your ‘A game’ when playing against Province.

    I think it has to do with those 2 x CC final victories we had over you in 2000 and 2001. :twisted:

  • Comment 12, posted at 02.08.10 11:57:40 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 12) : sjoe, 2001. That was a looooooonnnnnnnnnnng time ago :grin:

  • Comment 13, posted at 02.08.10 12:01:24 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 13) :

    It was wasn’t it. :roll: :evil:

  • Comment 14, posted at 02.08.10 12:05:15 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) : I blame Gaffie. :razz:

  • Comment 15, posted at 02.08.10 12:09:24 by CapeShark Reply
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  • slowly guys. We are playing the Lions this weekend. Let Province worry about their impending trip to Kimberley rather.

  • Comment 16, posted at 02.08.10 12:15:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • Eish we really have a problem here. Monty played a decent game against the Lions last here at Ellis park, but that was about the only game I remember him playing decent. I would take the gamble and move Lambie to flyhalf for this one game only, and bring in Piet Lindeque. He is a old Grey boy that has Springbok written all over him.

  • Comment 17, posted at 02.08.10 12:17:56 by Alwyn Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : didnt watch the game this w/end, but the Lions could be another Griquas if we are not careful. Taute and Jantjies..

  • Comment 18, posted at 02.08.10 12:21:44 by Mole Reply

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  • @Mole (Comment 18) : yes, there’s always the possibility. But if PlumNut manage to stumble onto the right loose forward combination, we should have them dead and buried. Remember, the Bulls are pretty soft upfront this year.

    I’d be most pleased if we are able ti field the good old Beast-Bis-Jannie combo in the front row this weekend. I think that’s a distinct possibility.

  • Comment 19, posted at 02.08.10 12:23:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • sharks forwards will be all over the lions come saterday, then we can play anyone at fly, even craig burden… :shock: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 02.08.10 12:28:21 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : How good was it to see Beast making his usual runs? I hope that we see that combination up front on sat. Agreed, our pack is looking extremely strong!!

    @VanWilder (Comment 20) : Burden ended the game at 13 didnt he? hmmmm, with Ludik out could we see him moving to 13 with Stef at 15?

  • Comment 21, posted at 02.08.10 12:34:57 by Mole Reply

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  • @Mole (Comment 21) : over his dead body! Craig has zero interest in moving back to the backline.

  • Comment 22, posted at 02.08.10 12:38:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 20) : I think du Plessis is a very talented player and with Cronje back in the under 21 ranks, we could do worse than to start with Monty and bring du Plessis onto the bench.

    If Ludik is out, we can play Odwa at fullback.

  • Comment 23, posted at 02.08.10 12:41:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) :

    Yeah we’ve lost to them for two years running now (in Kimberley) :roll:

  • Comment 24, posted at 02.08.10 12:44:36 by wpw Reply
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  • @Mole (Comment 21) : just messing around… :smile: but seriously, if we keep playing a running game, and pick alberts and deysel as our loosies, we will get enough go-forward-ball to make even dumond look like a dan carter.

    and i just want to compliment charl as a scrummy. he gives quick and accurate ball to his backs, and without that we would NEVER see the great running game the sharks is starting to show glimpses of. and his pretty nippy and quick…

  • Comment 25, posted at 02.08.10 12:45:02 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 25) : yes. Introducing Charl McLeod is, quite literally, THE single most important change that the Sharks have made since losing to Griquas.

  • Comment 26, posted at 02.08.10 12:46:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : I think he has made all the difference, and has come off as the unsung hero compared to Burden, Keegan and Lambie who have been the poster boys..

  • Comment 27, posted at 02.08.10 12:49:52 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : haha, thinking about it, i suppose it was a forced sub, as with the 5/2 split we didnt have anyone else that could play in the backs, and not Plum experimenting.

    @VanWilder (Comment 25) :
    Please tell me you are joking about Odwa at 15… worst hands in the game… McLeod is an excellent 9, I really hope that Dumond learns how to pass so we continue this running game…

  • Comment 28, posted at 02.08.10 12:51:47 by Mole Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : i agree, saw the dup plessis guy last night on the repeat of the u/21 game. looked pretty decent to me. good runner with pretty good kicking skills…

  • Comment 29, posted at 02.08.10 12:52:03 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 29) : let’s just put it this way – in a similar situation, the Bulls would have zero hesitation in elevating their under 21 flyhalf to the currie cup squad.

  • Comment 30, posted at 02.08.10 12:58:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • Dumond will do fine for a week or two. Steve i am guessing will be out for 2 weeks max. Fullback i would give to odwa if he is fit, which i think he is. Moving Pat now would spoil something good. What i would like to see in the future is guy,ross and patrick combo (9,10,12). They played brilliant running rugby at MHS together, why not give them a go against someone like the leopards? We have enough options and lions are really poor so we should have no worries for this week at least. Maybe Andre is Fit? We shall see.

  • Comment 31, posted at 02.08.10 13:00:17 by JJR Reply
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  • Just when we looking good come the damn injury problems. Leave Lambie for now at inside centre and play Dumond at FH. Probably will have to get Odwa in for FB. How I wish we had JLP already. Should have tried to sign him up for the start of the cc. Anyhow he will be with Sharks next season.

  • Comment 32, posted at 02.08.10 13:23:27 by Puma Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 9) : nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bring in GUY then please just not Pretoors :evil:

  • Comment 33, posted at 02.08.10 14:10:55 by chaz Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 12) : u packing in the old bones are u gee can’t take it if u guys got a bit of a comp :evil: ;-)

  • Comment 34, posted at 02.08.10 14:12:51 by chaz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : jip, and in dick muir`s time at the sharks also. i will never forget that wet and rainy day against province he gave a young 19 year old the chance to play flyhalf, i guy called francois steyn.

  • Comment 35, posted at 02.08.10 14:16:56 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 24) : Damned Riaan Viljoen

  • Comment 36, posted at 02.08.10 14:36:14 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 35) : ja. Pity that was the one and only decent game he ever played in the position :)

  • Comment 37, posted at 02.08.10 14:37:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : and he more than decent that day he was brilliant but I agree he never did have any other decent games there.

  • Comment 38, posted at 02.08.10 14:44:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 35) : I’ll never forget that night either.Bastard :oops:

  • Comment 39, posted at 02.08.10 14:49:20 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 39) : that night was francois steyn in a nutshell, tell him he cant do it and he will… :smile: but i have to ad, province, this year… different proposition hey? u guys playing good footy.

  • Comment 40, posted at 02.08.10 15:19:25 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 40) : Yip, they certainly aren’t playing too badly for a bunch of softies :smile:

  • Comment 41, posted at 02.08.10 15:40:30 by CS Reply

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  • Monty definitely can’t be worse than Meyer, who hasn’t impressed me as our answer at number 10. Besides, Monty and McLeod have an understanding from having played together for quite a bit.

    As a few posters have mentioned before – the secret to our flyhalf “dilemma” lies in our forwards. We simply have to be competitive in the tight and we need to dominate the breakdown area.

  • Comment 42, posted at 02.08.10 15:41:18 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 40) :

    It started once Coetzee became Head Coach and at the same time Proudfoot took charge of the forwards!!!

    Very good combination that!!

    I’m still not sold on Fleckie though!! :roll:

  • Comment 43, posted at 02.08.10 15:51:13 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 43) : Fleckie and Eddie Andrews are equally legendary :twisted:

  • Comment 44, posted at 02.08.10 15:53:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • How did the bulls develop a flyhalf…I mean they use brute force n intimidation to win games so how did they get it right…what are the sharks missing that after the butch james era we suddenly struggled…

  • Comment 45, posted at 02.08.10 15:55:29 by shaniboi Reply

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  • Wait I forgot they would rather market around an international flyhalf then development…there is more money in publicity…

  • Comment 46, posted at 02.08.10 15:57:59 by shaniboi Reply

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  • @shaniboi (Comment 45) : I reckon Butch left a hoodoo on the number 10 jersey.

  • Comment 47, posted at 02.08.10 15:58:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • I would play Lambie at 10, and I don’t think it would be stuffing him around, since he was put at 12 in the first place to get him ready for 10. I think he is ready.

    Also, Stefan might have to move to 15, which leaves a gap at 13. I’m all for playing Lindique there, but not next to Lambie. Rather put Strauss next to him. When Steve comes back Lambie moves to 12 again, you see players move between 10 and 12 all the time. Just don’t move him back to 15.

    9. McLeod 10. Lambie 12. Strauss 13. Lindique 11. Mvovo 14. JPP 15. Stefan

    If Lambie doesn’t play at 10??? I wouldn’t play Lambie at 12, because against the Pumas Dumond put Lambie under huge pressure. Then still I’d have Strauss at 12 with lambie moving to 15.

    9 McLeod 10 Dumond 12 Strauss 13. Stefan 15 Lambie

    I would much rather prefer selection number one.

    With Lambie at 10. the loosies should be 6 Deysel 7 alberts 8 Konko…a front row with Bissie would be great, but if Bissie and Jannie’s not back, Beast still needs to start…Lambie will get clean ball and dictate play from pivot…but I don’t think Plumtree will do that…

  • Comment 48, posted at 02.08.10 16:20:47 by Letgo Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 43) : jip, agree. i know matt proudfoot from coaching the pukke here in potch, and i always said he will become a coach of a “big” team, the same way i feel about Chean Roux of maties. you have to give fleckie credit, your backline play is way ahead of where it was a few years ago? But i will NEVER forget Deon Keysers trackle on Mr Fleck himself that one year… Open tryline and Deon tackled him from behind… :mrgreen: now THATS legendary.

  • Comment 49, posted at 02.08.10 16:27:06 by VanWilder Reply

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  • i was wondering the other day, cant we get a poll for the MOST irretating player in the history of the game? international and local?? :twisted: :idea:

  • Comment 50, posted at 02.08.10 16:30:27 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : he was putting the pins in the doll hoping to have a spot to go back to for 2011 but he put one pin too many and even jinxed his own talks with the Sharks :???:

  • Comment 51, posted at 02.08.10 16:39:52 by rekinek (Go Klose!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : when did they change that rule, because a certain Hendrik Meyer (I was at res with him) went to the Cheetahs in the middle of a season and there were no issues.

  • Comment 52, posted at 02.08.10 16:43:31 by war1 Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 48) : the coaches have been waxing lyrical about lindeque since Currie Cup preseason and now he is with the under 19s which means he was dropped from the under21s, that being said the under21s centre, arno van zyl looks a good prospect, if you get to see the try he scored with a burst of acceleration, it was fantastic, so i would put him in the place of lindeque

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 50) :
    International – Gregan
    Local – Wyand Olivier, just cause he is IMO over-rated.

  • Comment 54, posted at 02.08.10 16:55:27 by Mole Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 52) : Hennerik Meyer? He was playing for the Pumas beforehand, no? Were they playing in the Premier Division at that stage?

    Jeez, but that oke was overrated and a half.

  • Comment 55, posted at 02.08.10 17:28:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 53) : lindeque is raw and bursting with talent, but if he’s eligible for under 19 and we have a good guy who would have to play club rugby (van Zyl) otherwise, there’s no great problem with letting Lindeque jol under 19.

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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : so you reckon that makes no difference in who plum would pick at 13 if required?

  • Comment 57, posted at 02.08.10 17:37:49 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 53) : I’d pick either of them, the Sharks are looking thin at the centers and this is the ideal chance to test some of our young talent. Putting one young guy in won’t have that great of an effect on the team even if he doesn’t play an excellent game. They can catch a ball and seems to have some attacking talent and I’d like to see that talent tried now.

  • Comment 58, posted at 02.08.10 17:51:48 by Letgo Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 57) : dude… I don’t even know how to answer that question in a nice way :)

    I think Plum is about as likely to pick Lindeque as he is van Zyl. But there is less than a 0.5% chance he’d ever pick either.

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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : yeah, but we can dream cant we? the coaching staff have been talking lindeque up as a prospect, and he DID pick lambie

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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : that was 2006, and the pumas were playing premier division then

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  • @Mole (Comment 54) :

    I can almost make a team of annoying players.
    Backs:
    Jeff Wilson (He knew he was good, he had a way of celebrating that got under my skin)
    Andre Pretorius (The fact that he was always selected for the Boks above any other 10 in SA, his face, the fact that he always drops when there’s a certain try on and then everyone praises him for his excellent performance, and the creepy way he looks at the poles when lining up a kick)
    Peter Rossouw (He wasn’t better than other players waiting in the wings while the only quality he brought to the field was the odd intercept, also I had a nightmare about the way he runs, his whole body overlapped and started falling to pieces, it was very traumatizing, I couldn’t look at him on the field without fearing that he might fall apart),
    Lious Koen (Again, a player who got selected and was never good enough),
    Tom Carter (he plays for the Waratahs and has the most annoying try celebration),
    Clyde Rathbone (I learn to hate players who leave their country for another, because they weren’t good enough to get selected for the Boks, but were so big headed that they felt that they should have been selected),
    Wynand Olivier (His hair and his face and he never passes),
    Rory Kockett (He takes no less than 45sec to take any given ball out of a ruck, to selfish to play for the Sharks),
    Johan Roux (His face and the quality of his play),
    Werner Swanepoel (Never good enough to play for the Boks),
    George Gregon (I don’t even know why),
    Bryan Habana (For some reason he never plays good rugby when I want him to and scores winning tries when I don’t want him to),
    Forwards:
    Sean Fitzpatrick (One of the best cheats in rugby),
    Phil Waugh (it’s impossible to get quick, clean ball playing against him and his face),
    Sabatial Chabal (He looks like a homeless person, cut your hair!!!, and he has a scary face…I’d play him the serial killer in a movie),
    Brad Thorn (another guy who could play the thug in a movie and he actually is one on the field),
    Victor Matfield (he also looks like a homeless person and thinks he looks good with his sweaty hair sticking to his face and he walks funny, with his hands always hanging behind his back and he’s the bulls captain),
    Schalk Burger (he does a weird move with his head from side to side, his hair, he was never as good as they say he is),
    Pier Spies (I don’t know why they keep selecting him, there was that one time when he had that good game against one of those teams that doesn’t even play in the Currie Cup anymore and that one try he scored against an English team that gave away 10 other tries in the same game and he thinks his the best).

  • Comment 62, posted at 02.08.10 18:46:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : The question is…do you even think it is a good idea for Plum to select either of these players?

  • Comment 63, posted at 02.08.10 18:47:49 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : The question is…do you even think it is a good idea for Plum to select either of these players? :?:

  • Comment 64, posted at 02.08.10 18:48:08 by Letgo Reply
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  • Starting flyhalf Steve Meyer went off after an hour against the Cheetahs, suffering from a combination of what looked like a broken nose as well as a knee problem of some sorts

    He whacked his nose SO hard his knees got SO wobbly that he damaged the ligaments? :shock: :razz:

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  • @Letgo (Comment 64) : I didn’t mean to duplicate my comment…oops!

  • Comment 66, posted at 02.08.10 18:51:13 by Letgo Reply
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  • Just get the flyhalfs from u19 or u21 and throw them in the deep end ,lets be honest the sharks don,t do player development very well so lets find out now if these guys can crack it ,cause there prob not going to get a chance anyway and disappear into nowhere ,I,m very sure there,s a better flyhalf somewhere in natal rugby than Monty Dumond whether at club level or junior level there has to be

  • Comment 67, posted at 02.08.10 20:25:04 by zvision10 Reply

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  • @zvision10 (Comment 67) : There has to be!!! I think the guy in the u/21 team looks pretty promising…can’t remember his name.

  • Comment 68, posted at 02.08.10 21:35:01 by Letgo Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 65) : maybe it’s his nose ligament?

  • Comment 69, posted at 03.08.10 08:46:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 68) : bizarrely enough, the under 21 halfbacks are both named after Bok wingers of the 80s :)

    Scrumhalf is Cobus Reinach (full name Jacobus and Jaco’s son) and flyhalf is Willie du Plessis. I’m pretty sure the latter is no relation, though.

  • Comment 70, posted at 03.08.10 08:47:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 61) : ok… I guess they’ve changed it then. My info is that you may not play for two teams in the same division in the same year.

  • Comment 71, posted at 03.08.10 08:48:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : yeah the 1st division teams even complained about the cheetahs/griffons arrangement and that was not in the same division even (which is why the cheetahs/griffons got away with it)

  • Comment 72, posted at 03.08.10 08:57:18 by war1 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) : they do, however, both look like really good prospects.

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  • @war1 (Comment 73) : I agree. Reinach, in particular, really impresses me. Wouldn’t be absolutely heartbroken if Rory went and left us with McLeod and Reinach as our scrummies.

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  • This is what I would do with the backline if Ludik couldn’t play:

    9. McLeod
    10. Monty
    11. Pietersen
    12. Lambie
    13. Mvovo
    14. Ndungane
    15. Terblanche

    I think Mvovo could be devastating at outside centre.

  • Comment 75, posted at 03.08.10 10:43:25 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 75) : I think Mvovo would do well at outside centre, he would certainly get his hands on the ball more..

    But how good is his defence?

  • Comment 76, posted at 03.08.10 10:48:22 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I think lwazi is a pretty good wing too.

  • Comment 77, posted at 03.08.10 11:18:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 76) : We’ll only know if we play him there ;-)

  • Comment 78, posted at 03.08.10 11:22:41 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) :
    Wasn’t Willie du Plessis a centre?

  • Comment 79, posted at 03.08.10 11:46:15 by MysticShark Reply
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