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Mapoe loses out


Written by Warren Smith (war1)

Posted in :Currie Cup, In the news, Original Content on 11 Aug 2010 at 12:49
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The former Sevens Bok, Lionel Mapoe has apparently lost his arbitration case to be released from his contract and have a release certificate issued so as to join the Sharks.

According to www.supersport.com the winger now has to report to Bloemfontein to join the Cheetahs training sessions. This leaves both unions and the player in an awkward situation to say the least. Will the Cheetahs keep a player who wants to move?

More on this as it develops . . .



63 Comments

  • Do the Sharks charge the Cheetahs for medical fees?

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.08.10 12:51:00 by war1 Reply
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  • Yep… I said this all along… I would’ve thought that FSRU would now have settled outside court on a hefty transfer fee. Interesting, difficult situation for Mapoe.

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.08.10 12:54:13 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • I think there may be more to this in the future

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.08.10 13:02:51 by war1 Reply
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  • Oh well, not the end of the world though.

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.08.10 13:03:36 by Jarson Reply
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  • Why was Mapoe allowed to start training with the Sharks, if all the legal stuff was not sorted :evil:

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.08.10 13:04:12 by Charlie Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 1) : I am sure that is all on the Sharks account, Cheetahs have said all along that he was training at The Tank illegally…

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.08.10 13:04:21 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • Now don’t we have egg on our faces!! :oops:

    We should never have pursued him. :roll:

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.08.10 13:04:48 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 7) : he pursued us btw

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.08.10 13:05:25 by war1 Reply
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  • Pathetically handled by both unions.

    Sharks – Should never have fought it, if he had a valid contract which it now seems he did.

    Cheetahs – Should have settled out of court for large amount and put it into the ‘keep Heindrich and Juan’ fund!

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.08.10 13:05:52 by Oubaas2009 Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 5) : Politics of sport… Not nice, Jaque Fourie did it, Willem Alberts did it, Louis Ludik did it, Mapoe did it, just for a change the home union won…

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.08.10 13:06:48 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • For the record, the dispute was between Lionel and the Cheetahs, not the Sharks and the Cheetahs.

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.08.10 13:07:33 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 11) : Interesting… It does seem a mess. So the medical fees are ours to boot, legal fees?

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.08.10 13:12:27 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • I dont want to rock the boat here, but this is actually a very positive development. 1) It frees up space for some young home-grown talent to stake a claim. Lionel may have been good, hell he may even be great, but investing in the local youth is more important
    2) It finally puts a break on these ridiculous player movements and shows that every now and then you actually have to honour an agreement. Yes the Sharks won claims against the Lions and picked up some good players, as did the WP but can anyone really dispute the fact that the players in question had actually committed to their former provinces at some stage and were only released as a technicality. Maybe this will discourage the random walking of players in the future, especially those who know they have committed to a province only to find they want to go elsewhere and hope their new province will find flaws in their old contracts. Just a thought…

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.08.10 13:18:30 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 12) : Thats the risk you take when you open your arms to a player who is potentially under contract to someone else… If you buy a second hand car from the dodgy dude on the street corner in Mahatma Gandhi blvd, you cant claim back the petrol costs when you discover it was stolen from Umhlanga Rocks.

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.08.10 13:20:42 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 13) : I have said all along that I agree with honour… Patience and loyalty pays off… I can understand The Lions ex players, they (the union) were on a downward spiral, but The Cheetahs have a positive culture, plus they have been very good to Lionel.

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.08.10 13:21:51 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 14) : :lol:

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.08.10 13:22:45 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • I blame the agent for causing all this kak!!

    Bloody agents!!

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.08.10 13:24:17 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 11) : Agreed, says more about Lionel Mapoe than the sharks. At least JLP has always done things above board no matter what people say about him going to his 3rd team in 2 years. Im not a fan of player movements being announced mid season though. This came to me first when Luke Watson announced he was going to WP halfway through the season in (what was it 2004/05?). Putt benched him, and in my opinion it was one of the few decisions he made I agreed with. Why play a player who has openly stated his desire to leave and provides no prospect for the future?

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.08.10 13:24:29 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • Egg on our faces indeed.

    Hope the Sharks management find some new lawyers to represent them. :evil:

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.08.10 13:25:38 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 19) : Why, they succeeded in getting 3 players already under contract and only lost one. Id say 75% success is a good record for a lawyer, even if it is a failure for the process in general as reasoned above.

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.08.10 13:28:03 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 20) : Sorry, 2 out of 3. Mostert wasnt a contractual dispute was he?

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.08.10 13:28:52 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 21) : Mostert was a straight purchase… I think he will still turn out to be a valuable asset for us. You need to rotate locks in the Super 15, and our depth looks good…

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.08.10 13:33:18 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 22) : Exactly. He was signed above board. Ironically thus far he has provided the least input due to injuries. I fully agree the Sharks need all the help at lock they can get until some youngsters mature. At present only 3 senior-level quality locks are fit and available. Not an ideal situation.

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.08.10 13:40:20 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • A contract should always be seen out. Should never break a contract but it does happen.

    From what I have heard it was Mapoe who approched the Sharks, not the Sharks who approched him? Not sure about that just read on the blogs.

    Pity as I think he would have been great with the Sharks. Now how does he fit in again with the Cheetahs after training with the Sharks for a few months? Really how will all the Cheetah players feel towards him and him them now? Very difficult situation to be in. Also Sharks always release players early if they want to leave. Why keep a player in a franchise if he really does not want to play for that franchise? It will never work. Causes bad feelings among coaches and players.

    Now hope the Cheetahs pay Mapoe what he is worth too. Good luck to Mapoe he really is a fantastic player and think he will be a Bok. Maybe once his contract is over with the Cheetahs, Sharks should contract him then. Legally.

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.08.10 13:43:31 by Puma Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 15) : @Pablo Dinero (Comment 18) :

    I think you guys are missing the point here. Lionel was promised an improved contract as he was still on a junior contract after having a brilliant CC season last year.

    The Cheetahs agreed and their President even stated they would be negotiating with him but after many months nothing materialised.

    The Cheetahs are as much to blame for what happened.

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.08.10 13:58:43 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 25) : Thank you for clearing that up, the plot does indeed thicken.

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.08.10 14:00:07 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • Does not matter who chased who… The point is the Sharks knew that he had a contract with the Cheetahs and still signed him. The Sharks are just as guilty as Mapoe and his “bleddie agent”

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.08.10 14:05:28 by Farlington Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 25) : (as from what I read is that FSRU did upgrade him?) Was this a PR front up?

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.08.10 14:06:22 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • Fukken Poachers! :oops:

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.08.10 14:06:47 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 29) : Julle moet beter na die spelers kyk dammit ;-)

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.08.10 14:10:37 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Loosehead (Comment 29) : dude that is sport worldwide,fs do the same to griqs!!

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.08.10 14:11:35 by ruggabugga Reply

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  • Shite… Is it just me or are things just not going right for the Sharks in 2010?

    From the start of the S14, right up until now, with Jean, Steve, Ruan, rumours of Kockett, rumours of Strauss and now Mapoe?

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.08.10 14:13:15 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @ruggabugga (Comment 31) : Uh no, we wait until it is legal to contract them and them offer them the Freedom of The City.
    @Pokkel (Comment 30) : Ons is te blerrie arm.

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.08.10 14:13:44 by Loosehead Reply

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  • At least the team is playing some entertaining rugga at the moment :!: :!: :!:

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.08.10 14:13:59 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • This kid is young and talented. He is an E Cape lad too: not FS stock. I don’t know all the details and will withold judgement. He is a young winger trying to capitalise on a 10-year career: FS must pay him more than the R25,000 they reportedly paid him: that’s nothing for a professional rugby player.

    I hope they release him: even if a transfer is payable.

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.08.10 14:14:46 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 27) : ;-) :evil:

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.08.10 14:17:54 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 35) : I would agree with a transfer fee, that is the most logical thing to do, a union will find it difficult to motivate him… Especially a tight union like FSRU.

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.08.10 14:18:22 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • If transfer fee’s were paid then the FS would have enough money to keep our players.

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.08.10 14:21:01 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 35) : Agree 25 grand a month is rubbish for a player of that standard.

    @Loosehead (Comment 38) : Then they should have negotiated a transfer fee. Maybe they never wanted that but the player instead. Anyhow said my bit on this issue on RT.

    For now I think Sharks biggest loss is Deysel getting injured.

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.08.10 14:26:27 by Puma Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 38) : Wat het jy gese…maak gou voor dit weer delete word. :twisted:

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.08.10 14:27:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Theres a pic of him training with the Sharks. Looks pretty darn happy there to me!!! :evil:

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.08.10 14:27:38 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 38) : It is strange that Rugby Union in SA leans so heavily on contract, it should be regulated with Transfer windows and transfer fees ala Euro Football etc. Then aggressive negotiations etc can take place and players purchased and or witheld. Obviously they won’t put up their big names, but shouldn’t prevent other unions from making an approach.

    Something needs to happen, but no matter what does happen their will always be a Richie McCaw of the boardroom trying push the boundaries…

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.08.10 14:29:12 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 40) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.08.10 14:34:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 42) : Agree there but not the last paragraph..hahaha. There should always be negotiations and transfer fees should be the way to go.

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.08.10 14:34:40 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 44) : their / there – seems I am falling into the very same bad habit… Tisk tisk…

    But yep agreed on regulation.

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.08.10 14:39:48 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • I am not – repeat – NOT going to say I told you so, I am just going to smile
    :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

  • Comment 46, posted at 11.08.10 14:42:25 by Greg Reply

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  • Mapoe will be back eventually. He’s had a taste of the lifestyle in Durbs & the team spirit in the Sharks camp. As soon as his contract expires at the Cheetahs he’ll sign up with the Sharks….mark my words ;-)

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.08.10 14:43:20 by voltage Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 46) : ;-)

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.08.10 14:48:03 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 15) : True but it is still Bloemfontein. You can’t blame the guy for wanting to move… ;-)

  • Comment 49, posted at 11.08.10 14:48:12 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 49) : SWAK! That hurts!
    [but then I did leave Bloem for Cape Town]

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.08.10 15:24:31 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 42) : The States would be blerrie rich if the Sharks and WP would have had to pay all the transfer fee’s.

  • Comment 51, posted at 11.08.10 15:25:47 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 44) : Don’t take R-T toooooooooooooooooooo seriosly boet.

  • Comment 52, posted at 11.08.10 15:27:04 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 51) : Indeed, it is the professional era, FSRU have a factory in Grey Bloem and if they had the resources to hold onto their players the rugby climate will be very different indeed…

  • Comment 53, posted at 11.08.10 15:35:35 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 46) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 54, posted at 11.08.10 16:11:13 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 33) :

    You’re to poor!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?

    how many CC’s did you win in the last 10 years???????? WTF did your incompetent administrators do with all the money?

    And as for calling us poachers, get over it, it’s the professional era. If Bloemfontein wasn’t so backward, if the cheetahs had money and adminstrators then they would be one of the biggest poachers.

    The only reason they aren’t poachers already is because they buy the never wases and the hasbeens so nobody really cares.

  • Comment 55, posted at 11.08.10 18:13:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 51) : And if they had half decent administrators who knew how to use the money from winning the CC.

  • Comment 56, posted at 11.08.10 18:14:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 38) :

    That’s bit of a conundrum don’t you think?

    If you had the money to keep your players then you wouldn’t be getting transfer fees.

  • Comment 57, posted at 11.08.10 18:16:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 55) : the way Free State rapes and pillages from the easter and southern cape is verging on criminal anyway…

  • Comment 58, posted at 11.08.10 18:16:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 58) :

    Yeah but becasue they don’t have the money to do it from big unions nobody is concerned by it.

    And they have the damn cheek to come on here and call US poachers. I wonder how the Bloemfontein crowd would react if i got onto their site and swore at them? :evil:

    oh wait they don’t have a site that is advanced enough to accept comments. :lol:

  • Comment 59, posted at 11.08.10 18:19:09 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 59) : bwaaaaaa :)

    but I trust you know Loosehead well enough to realise he’s taking the piss, right?

  • Comment 60, posted at 11.08.10 18:28:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) :

    yip.

  • Comment 61, posted at 11.08.10 18:29:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Would have loved to see Mapoe play for the sharks but I,m happy for free state there a smaller union and always lose players so good for them but I,m even happier Brian van zyl has egg on his face ,but all these idiot players can,t sign contracts then want out before the contract expires even if there not happy otherwise why the hell have contracts if they don,t like the terms of the contract speak up at the time ,players should get fined a big fee for acting like spoilt brats

  • Comment 62, posted at 11.08.10 20:47:29 by zvision10 Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 59) : Pot, kettle, black! :smile:

  • Comment 63, posted at 12.08.10 11:00:33 by Loosehead Reply

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