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SARU screw up again on more than one front.


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks, Tri Nations on 12 Aug 2010 at 10:45
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An administrative blunder by the South African Rugby Union, rather than injury, might turn out to be the biggest stumbling block in the way of Frans Steyn’s return to the Springbok team.

Rugby365.com can reveal that SARU have failed to file, on time, the clearance request required by the FFR (Fédération Française de Rugby) for the release of players to their national unions for Test duty.

And to add insult to injury, Steyn’s French club, Racing Metro, have confirmed that Steyn has, in fact, suffered a quad muscle injury that will sideline him from training until next Wednesday.

In a statement issued on Thursday, Racing confirmed that Steyn would not feature for the ‘The Sky and Whites’ in their Top 14 opener against Brive at Stade Amédée-Domenech on Friday.

“Francois Steyn, Andrea Masi, Karim Ghezal and Scott Zimmerman are all still recovering from their injuries,” read the club’s statement. “After medical examinations it was decided that none of them are able to play [this week] and they were not named in the squad chosen by [head coach] Pierre Berbizier.”

However, rugby365.com can reveal that Steyn suffered a quad injury, and not an ankle injury as previously reported in the media, in a pre-season friendly last Friday.

He is allowed to start training next Wednesday only and would then, obviously, be required to pass a fitness test if the Boks still want him to feature against the All Blacks in Soweto next Saturday.

However, an even bigger problem for Steyn, and the Boks, could turn out to be the administrative bungle by SARU officials, who failed to submit the clearance request on time.

An FFR source confirmed that the clearance request must be submitted 14 days in advance… But SARU filed the documentation this week only.

Should the FFR play hardball and insist on the 14-day clearance – rather than release Steyn on short notice – he will be released only for the two Tri-Nations Tests against the Wallabies – in Pretoria on August 28 and Bloemfontein a week later.

This development follows a statement issued from the Bok camp on Wednesday, which said they were still awaiting clarity on the extent of Steyn’s injury.

Steyn, who was included in the Springbok training group of 29 announced last Sunday, underwent a scan in Paris this week, after picking up an injury in a pre-season match last Friday.

The Springbok training squad assembled in Johannesburg on Tuesday, to begin preparations for the home leg of the Tri-Nations – the Boks, of course, having suffered three big losses in New Zealand and Australia last month.

A final squad of 24 – which will then be trimmed to 22 to face the All Blacks – is expected to be confirmed at the conclusion of the camp on Friday.



40 Comments

  • As I suspected last night when i asked the questions these guys are screwing things up bigtime.

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.08.10 10:49:49 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • So the incummbent fullback has been released to play for the Bulls,

    the guy they want to replace him with is either injured and/or not being released.

    Who are we going to have at 15? Aplon? Please help us someone? We need all the help we can get.

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.08.10 10:51:13 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • And add to that that WP have shown SARU the door with regards to their request to use the WP defence coach.

    Rassie says it will be to disruptive to WP.

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.08.10 10:52:05 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • SARU’s management skills are a myth.

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.08.10 10:52:27 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) : How embarrassing!!

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.08.10 10:52:30 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) : Aplon will start at Fullback with JPP at 14 – I am not even going to talk about this above article. As for Gio, after Frans he is the best option at 15 – Zane is consistent and stable, but not a gamebreaker…

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.08.10 10:54:21 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) : And we don’t need any Mythbusters to try and prove it..

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.08.10 10:55:28 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • :roll: :roll: :roll:

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.08.10 10:58:04 by Jarson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.08.10 11:04:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : :grin:

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.08.10 11:05:21 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 9) : Hi there!!

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.08.10 11:05:55 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 11) : Hey!

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.08.10 11:12:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • SARU is a disgrace. What a bunch of clowns running the countries rugby!

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.08.10 11:20:30 by lostfish Reply
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  • Aplon should start at 15 anyway. Kirchner is not Bok quality, and Ludik needs more time.

    I am a firm believer in not selecting players based overseas anyway. Frans could add value, but he should not be eligible.

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.08.10 11:25:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • SARU’s emblem should be the blunderbus.

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.08.10 11:30:12 by Oubaas2009 Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 14) : That would solve a few issues, you leave SA, you leave the Boks… BJ Botha is not Bok material either… No argument from me.

    No Carl Hayman, No Jerry Collins, NZRU are pretty clear, you want the jersey you come home and earn it…

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.08.10 11:34:24 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • Exactly DD: NZ have the balls to drop such good players as you mention, as well as McAllister, Evans etc.

    Instead they invest and show faith in other guys who choose to stay and play for the jersey.

    The effect: new guys take heart and step up, and some guys return home to earn the jersey again: ala McAllister.

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.08.10 11:45:08 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Typical SARU – clowns of the highest order.

    @DarkDestroyer (Comment 16) :

    @Big Fish (Comment 17) :

    I don’t see what the issue is with selecting players who play elsewhere? Surely we want the best 15 on the park at all times?

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.08.10 12:28:08 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • can such mistakes happen by chance :roll:

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.08.10 12:32:06 by rekinek (Go Klose!) Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 18) : Just a way of keeping the best 15 locked into the interests of the country IMO – I understand the global pro era ala football, but it doesn’t work with Southern Hemisphere rugby… The NH is different in so many ways and it does have an impact on the players.

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.08.10 12:55:45 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 18) : It is an incentive for the players to stay in South Africa if they want to play for the Boks. Otherwise what is to stop the young talent rushing off overseas for big paychecks if they think they will be selected for the Boks as an overseas player? Then South African rugby becomes a watered down affair because all the big names are looking at the big European paychecks.

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.08.10 13:41:35 by lostfish Reply
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  • I see it’s official. Frans Steyn won’t play the NZ test due to injury? Time for Aplon to shine at 15.

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.08.10 14:51:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 21) :

    @DarkDestroyer (Comment 20) :

    Yes and No – There are only so many available spots overseas – its not like every player in SA could get work overseas.

    Its seems arbitary to not pick your best 15 because some of them are looking for security in the form of a bigger check or running from a union who plays them in a new position week in and week out.

    Is the dig subtle enough :lol:

    If SARU wanted this to work better – draw up some standard contract clauses that insist that the players are available should the Boks call – If the clubs are unhappy with that – then they won’t sign the player. If the player is unhappy with that then at least we know where we stand with regards to a player.

    Steyn is an issue – the kid is frikken wonderbread. And he doesn’t play for SA because the coach is a (&*^^*$^%#^%*() chop, whose mouth gets in the way of picking our best 15.

    I blame SARU – not a player looking after his future.

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.08.10 15:08:40 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 22) : :roll: :roll:

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.08.10 15:09:47 by rekinek (Go Klose!) Reply
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  • Shouldn’t the question rather be asked why his club is so intent on playing hard ball enforcing the IRB regulation 9.23 standing in the way of a player representing his country?

    Frans was named in the Bok squad on the 8th of August, the game against the All Blacks is the 21st, exactly 14 days later.

    Frans is currently injured and cannot play for his club this weekend (already confirmed) and is hoped to be ready by next weekend (when we play the All Blacks) so what is the real issue here?

    Also why stall the results of the scans which SA Rugby will only receive today (according to a media release) for an injury sustained last week Friday already?

    Peter de Villiers has maintained in recent weeks (his Bokzine column) that Frans has always been in their plans, but there are issues with his club that needs to be resolved. He was generally labelled an idiot and liar and avoiding the issue.

    Seems after all there is indeed a real issue with his club, or Frans himself or his agent…

    After all, I can see how a club will want to ‘protect’ their 750 000 Euro investment from missing a potential 5 league games in the French competition…

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.08.10 15:15:16 by Morné Reply
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  • “Seems after all there is indeed a real issue with his club, or Frans himself or his agent…”

    Yea of course Div is totally innocent. :roll:

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.08.10 15:20:34 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 26) :

    Be so kind as to explain the logic to me then WS…

    On the one hand you have had PDV insisting Frans always being in their plans, but there are issues with his ‘club’ which needs to be sorted.

    On the other hand you have emails from Frans’ agent making him unavailable for Bok tests, his club holding on to IRB regulation timeframes even though the player is unavailable for club games within that period…

    Please…

    Explain.

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.08.10 15:23:25 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 27) :

    What Div says and what Div does are two very different things.

    Especially it appears when it comes to Steyn. The kids a RWC winner for a good reason. Can you honsetly say Div has given him an open and honest assement of where he stands? I am not even sure Div could answer that.

    Last year he was in and out of the side, this year he gets picked for one test plays a game and is then told via the media he is off the pace but the likes of Butch and BJ Botha get picked repeatedly despite eveidence illustrating that perhaps we could do better than both of those players.

    Not exactly a uniform approach to all players being equal is it?

    It must also be awesome for a player who is a proven match winner to be told the likes of Zane Kirchner are better than him in the coaches view and then hide behind – i won’t pick international players – while picking a bunch of over the hill players who play internationally.

    I would also be telling my agent to tell Div to stick it where he wishes the sun shines.

    And quite frankly if i had paid 750k for a player who was going to be missing for 5 weeks to sit on a bench – i would also cling to the rules – which ironically is probably why they exist – why invest in a player if his country can call up and say sorry we need him? And you lose out.

    And quite frankly Div and SARU’s record in the past would suggest that they are in fact giant douchebags.

    I don’t think Steyn and his agent are not to blame either.

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.08.10 15:44:24 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 25) :

    announcing a bok squad and actually asking a club for release aren’t really the same thing. so we can’t assume that that date is the date that the club was approached. :(

    Also if SARU have been talking to Steyn all the time then howcome they thought it was his ankle at first andf now realise that it is not his ankle.

    Maybe they WERE talking but it seems they were talking in the usual SARU communications way.

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.08.10 16:33:09 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 27) : I see you caved in under pressure? :shock:

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.08.10 17:03:21 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 30) :

    Contrary to popular belief I am not online 24/7! ;)

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 29) :

    Well one would imagine that a player, especially one not local would be informed that he has been included in the Boks squad prior or on the day it is announced.

    Even so, if SA Rugby only started proceedings on Monday or Tuesday (Monday was a public holiday in SA) what is the point of the club not wanting to release a player already unavailable to them through injury? Does he have to recoup in France??? It makes no sense.

    @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 28) :

    Correction, Steyn was consistently chosen at 15 for the Boks throughout last year – to such an extent that he publicly praised PDV for being the first coach to provide him with some consistency.

    This regulation is nothing more than stalling or an excuse and it has nothing to do with SA Rugby being late in requesting his release.

    Frans Steyn must either commit to Bok rugby or make his intentions of not being available for them now or in the near future clear so this circus can come to an end.

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.08.10 19:06:26 by Morné Reply
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  • WS, I think the reasons for excluding overseas guys has been explained. I have nmo issue with it on an emotional level, but it is better and more sustainable top pick local guys and also offer an incentive for players to keep the local game strong.

    As for Frans, this is another topic that has already been covered. Great player, but not worth the trouble right now.

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.08.10 19:50:48 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Fransie financial demand in playing for the Boks are also another issue ;-)

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.08.10 22:09:01 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 31) : The point is that there are rules and if you allow someone to break the rule then the next one will say but It is just a LITTLE bit more of a breaking of the rules than the previous guy.

    And soon that will snowball into a…a…a… Well a BIG snowball. :smile:

    Rules are there to be adhered to.

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.08.10 22:52:14 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 23) : Sooo agree to this….we live in a global village these days and playing overseas isnt such a bad thing….for every player that gets trained on the foreign coin it means that we can bring up some youngster in that position on SA soil. Increases our depth and choices.

    PDV is now blaming Steyn for 1) being injured, and 2)SARU not getting the paper work intime – apparently he didnt want to die for the jersey…um…are the players supposed to managments job for them too?

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.08.10 08:32:27 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 31) : He played 6 out of 12 last year, and was replaced by Kirschner and Pienaar, oftebn on a weekly basis and knowing Div on a whim.

    So sorry that doesn’t say consistency – that says in and out.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.08.10 08:48:11 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 32) : I usually agree but 15 is a problem for the Boks – Kirchner has shown himself to be useful but not a match winner.

    All i am suggesting is that we pick the best possible 15 to play for the Boks regardless of where they are

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.08.10 08:50:18 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • Why can’t Divvie just shut up!!! :x

    From rugby365.

    The South African Rugby Union’s undertaking to muzzle Springbok coach Peter de Villiers has lasted less than a week. On Thursday, De Villiers took aim at Francois Steyn – again.

    Despite having been forced into a public apology for making comments about Steyn earlier this year, the Bok coach now questioned whether the Bok back has the heart to play for his country.

    Steyn – who is under medical supervision at Racing Metro in Paris, and not even in SA at present – has been at the centre of the latest Bok headlines throughout the week, having finally been recalled to the national squad.

    However, his recall after being deemed surplus to requirements for the away leg of the Tri-Nations last month, has been marked by controversy and disputes over an injury and an administrative bungle.

    On Thursday, a clearly irritable De Villiers told a media gathering: “Does he want to be here or not? I can’t understand if he doesn’t have a heart for the Springbok jersey.

    “I want a team on the field that feels strongly for our land.

    “He is so talented, I want to see him play for us and the country wants to see him, but there comes a point when you have to say ‘so far and no further’.”

    This latest pearler from De Villiers came at the media gathering in Johannesburg where it was announced that Steyn would not be available for selection for the Springboks’ Test against the All Blacks in Soweto next Saturday, August 21.

    Steyn has been advised not to train until Wednesday next week, after suffering an injury to his quadriceps muscle in a pre-season match last Friday.

    “You must get another player who wants to be there and who wants to play for the country, and who can establish himself as the No.1 there [in that position].

    “We must get finality on this situation as quickly as possible,” De Villiers added.

    De Villiers’s latest utterance is in stark contrast to undertakings that he would guard his words at media gatherings.

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.08.10 09:01:22 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 34) :

    That is rubbish.

    The club gains absolutely nothing from not releasing him. If they did, I would understand their insistance of protecting their 750K Euro investment.

    @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 36) :

    He played both opening B&I Lions test in which we clinched the series.

    Kircner, making his debut with a host of other newbies in the team played the 3rd dead rubber test.

    He was back at 15 for all three 3N tests in SA on our home leg.

    Got rotated with Pienaar who lacked game time on the first two games against Oz in Oz (he was on the bench).

    Back for the 3N clincer in Hamilton.

    After that, he left for overseas…

    A bit of context WS.

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.08.10 09:43:18 by Morné Reply
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  • this is great news. in 2006 saru were a complete embarrasment and we went on to win the rwc the next year. keep it up you clowns and then hire eddie jones next year.

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