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Frans Verstaan setting the record straight


Written by Iza Loubser (Ice)

Posted in :Admin, In the news, Original Content, Springboks, Tri Nations on 15 Aug 2010 at 13:26

Maybe Peter is taking things a bit far now. How can you just make accusations that a player may not have the heart to represent the Boks anymore??

Frans Verstaan has eventually opened his mouth after the umpteenth remark by the somewhat controversial Bok Coach.

In an exclusive interview with Frans, he said that he is tired of being labeled a difficult customer. The following facts were revealed:

  • When he played earlier this year against Wales, he traveled at his own expense and without the necessary permission from Racing Metro to represent the Boks.
  • Since that test he has not spoken a word to Peter.
  • During a meeting on 28 May, De Villiers promised to speak to France to sort out matters with Racing Metro. This is still to take place.
  • Peter Jooste phoned Steyn a week ago to tell him that he will only be in the mix for the EOYT to Britain and Ireland. Steyn was very surprised to learn he is in the Springbok set-up for the remainder of the Tri-Nations games.
  • According to News 24 sources, Steyn was included last Friday in the Bok squad after senior players insisted on his inclusion.
  • SARU did not contact Steyn’s club in time as per IRB’s regulations to release him from his overseas responsibilities – this should be done 14 days prior to the relevant date. SARU only contacted the French Rugby Federation on Wednesday. Steyn says he has no choice but to wait for his club’s permission. “I have a contract with Racing Metro, I do not have a bok contract”.

According to Steyn he is being labeled as someone who does not want to represent his country and his commitment is being questioned. That’s not true. “Peter gave me his word on 28 May that he will travel to France to sort out my things with the Club. He has not been there yet and I have not spoken to him since the Wales test.”

“After the test I heard that Peter said that the European players are not good enough to play for the Boks as the Southern Hemisphere rugby pace is too high.”

“Racing Metro pays my salary and treats me well. I do not have a Bok contract. And now I have to hear that I do not have the heart to play for the Boks|. Despite everything, I will be the first person on the plane if I get permission to play for the Boks.”

“I phoned the coach this week and left a message on his phone. I assured him of my commitment and that I am very eager to play for the Boks.”

“I want to play for my country if I am good enough and I will do anything to play for South Africa” I HAVE the heart AND I will die on the field for South Africa.”

Well, Fransie – I, for one, do believe you!!

All information courtesy of Rapport, Rugby 365 and other media who reported on this….happy?  ;-)



56 Comments

  • He is injured too, but the fact is that SARU did not get permission on time…so no, Frans is not the one playing games here as per comments on a previous article..

  • Comment 1, posted at 15.08.10 13:37:23 by Ice Reply
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  • Pretty sure you meant IRB’s regulations and not IRA :wink: and plain plane…… :lol:

    OK, this is nothing but he said he said, silly stuff really. We have no proof that either is telling the truth so who knows where the truth really lies. It would be nice if these guys would start communicating in writing so we could eliminate some of this silliness. And yes, both are being silly, the coach and the player. Frans is one of the most recognized rugby players on the planet, I am sure he could have called up any international rugby publication and stated his desire to play for the Boks, but he chose not to do so, waiting for an interview with Sharksworld to make his point? No sorry he has done little to counter PdV’s statements, so don’t be surprised if people are questioning his commitment.

    Steyn is a superbly talented player, but is either way too hard headed or is getting really bad advice from someone.

  • Comment 2, posted at 15.08.10 13:42:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • :mrgreen: Say what, DB?? What are you on about?? ;-) :lol:

  • Comment 3, posted at 15.08.10 13:45:27 by Ice Reply
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  • I agree with DB. Why is Steyn the only player that has issues with the Bok Management??
    How come we never hear of problems with CJ, JVN, Jean or BJ??
    When John and Victor were overseas they also had no problems with Div or Saru.

  • Comment 4, posted at 15.08.10 13:51:28 by wpw Reply
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  • Other than the first line, which even I can’t understand what I was on about :lol: The rest of the post is pretty self explanatory, I think….. :razz:

  • Comment 5, posted at 15.08.10 13:51:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 4) : Personally I don’t think the Bok management or Steyn have handled this well. Quite honestly it has become an ongoing joke in my mind, just waiting to hear what each clown (side) is going to say next. I give full credit to PdV for his accomplishments as Bok coach. He has won a lot of his games and has won us a BIL series and Tri-Nations title (3 wins in a row of ABs), great accomplishments all. But his management of the Frans Steyn issue has been poor at best, and Steyn has not helped with his hard headedness (or poor advice he is receiving).

  • Comment 6, posted at 15.08.10 13:57:06 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Once again spot on DB! :wink:

  • Comment 7, posted at 15.08.10 14:06:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 7) : It is frustrating Wes, as you know, I have been saying Steyn is a full back for several years now, even when he was playing 12 and wanting to play 10. He can single handed cause opponents to change their game plan to account for his massive boot. Why not try 50 metre drop goals, if he misses, they have a 22 drop, kick it right back to him and he kicks another drop. Oppositions tend to kick short 22 drops when Steyn is at 15. That being said, Frans screwed himself by deciding to go to Europe at a critical time to the build up to the next RWC. All the others went earlier and expect to be back in SA for the RWC. It is frustrating, because of poor management and egos, we don’t have the best 15 playing for the Boks.

    That being said, Conrad Jantjes has been looking really good for WP, he really deserves a call up in my opinion. Much better player than Zane, IMO.

  • Comment 8, posted at 15.08.10 14:11:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Shouldnt there a reference to this article? I dont think Frans was speaking to SW, was he?

    In any event, agree with DB: no innocent party here. I’m surprised PDV didnt handle Frans better – he is a very good man manager usually.

  • Comment 9, posted at 15.08.10 14:16:48 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 8) :
    No man: Jantjies has had his chips. Doesn’t bring much other than a goose-step and an up-and-under.

    I really hope we don’t have to go the WC with him or Kirchner at the back. I’m pinning my hopes on Daniller or Ludik rather.

  • Comment 10, posted at 15.08.10 14:18:38 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 10) : Well, I just confirmed I really have no idea what I am talking about. Louis Ludik always struck me as being a little small for 15, but he is the same size as Jantjes. :lol: Ah well, I will shut my mouth now, all that time in the front row clearly taught me nothing about play at 15. :lol:

  • Comment 11, posted at 15.08.10 14:24:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 11) :
    ;-)
    I think Ludik is bigger than Jantjies; he is 92kg on the Sharks site. Jantjies is not the same player after he lost his pace due to injury.

  • Comment 12, posted at 15.08.10 14:35:26 by Big Fish Reply
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  • SARU did not contact Steyn’s club in time as per IRB’s regulations to release him from his overseas responsibilities

    But Andy Kalkoen of SARU says they did. Morne believes him. why don’t you? :razz:

  • Comment 13, posted at 15.08.10 15:46:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Has he come out of the closet yet? ;-) :twisted:

  • Comment 14, posted at 15.08.10 16:51:50 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 14) :

    It’s all in the heading, he is straight.

  • Comment 15, posted at 15.08.10 17:19:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Div is a bafoon.

  • Comment 16, posted at 15.08.10 17:45:23 by klempie Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 1) : Read this on Rugby 365. So what PdV had to say about Fransie not wanting to play for SA and wanting to look at his x-rays to see if he was indeed injured is a whole load of nonsense. Fransie wants to play for SA and would die on the field playing for the Boks.

    Now go get our man back PdV and play him at FB. Zane is not up to it. :evil:

  • Comment 17, posted at 15.08.10 18:12:04 by Puma Reply

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  • This whole ordeal is rather comical don’t ya guys think? like an interesting mystery that slowly unfolds… wat;s gonna happen next i wonder?

  • Comment 18, posted at 15.08.10 18:58:57 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • ok this is my preview :???: :!:

    must say out of all the articals posted this one caught me the most :smile:

    1/ what the hell is EOYT :?: :oops:

    2/ SARU didn’t contact him in time and that has 2 b 14 days before
    :?:
    A/ FOR ME THAT IS BAD FROM THE COACH
    :evil: AND :twisted:

    3/ Has a contract with RM and not with SA :?:

    A/ PDW HAD UNTIL 28TH MAY 2 SORT THINGS OUT B 4 THE WALES TEST.

    4/ Southern Hemisphere is 2 high and has not the heart 2 play for
    the BOKS
    A/ BULL SHIT :evil: A SB ALWAYS A SB I THOUGHT SO MUCH ONCE A
    CLASS PLAYER IN SA WON’T GIVE UP ANYTHING 2 PLAY FOR
    ANOTHER LAND AS FOR THE SA SB :???:

    5/ 1st Player 2 b on the plane 2 play for his birth land :?:

    A/ AND 2 ME THAT TELLS ME A LOT STH WRONG IN THE CAMP FROM
    PLAYERS THAT HV CONTRACT O SEAS

    6/ Will die on the field 4 SA :?:

    A/ WELL THAT TELLS ME A LOT FROM ANY SA PLAYER SO TELL ME STH
    WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE FROM GOING ON 2 OTHER CONTRACTS 2
    PLAYING 4 OTHER CONTRACTS

    ;-)

  • Comment 19, posted at 15.08.10 21:47:41 by chaz Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 1) :
    ICE what a great artical :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 15.08.10 21:49:55 by chaz Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 2) : thats true :?: from one 2 the other who is telling the truth :cry: ;-)

  • Comment 21, posted at 15.08.10 21:51:21 by chaz Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 4) : i don’t think its only FS if somebody really goes into it :???: its the big guys that hv the problem :???: :?:
    come on from a wining WC and Tri N what the Fu!k has gone wrong :???: ;-)

  • Comment 22, posted at 15.08.10 21:56:14 by chaz Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 6) : well i still think get rid of a clown and you’ll hv a SB team and nt a circus :evil:

  • Comment 23, posted at 15.08.10 21:58:36 by chaz Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 7) : But still has 2 prove the WC 2011 and my he won’t even come so near as the BB in the WC 2010 :?: ;-)

  • Comment 24, posted at 15.08.10 22:00:28 by chaz Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 13) : ok this is me :???: ;-) somebody is just lying through their ears which one is it :?: :!: :smile:

  • Comment 25, posted at 15.08.10 22:02:35 by chaz Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 14) : oh mc lovin wouldn’t u like 2 know my friend :???: i don’t think he is one at all :?: but prove me wrong and i’m with u all the way :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 26, posted at 15.08.10 22:04:42 by chaz Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 15) : thank you :mrgreen:
    sorry Mc lovin but he is straight my friend :oops: ;-)

  • Comment 27, posted at 15.08.10 22:06:11 by chaz Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 16) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 28, posted at 15.08.10 22:06:42 by chaz Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 17) : AMEN :mrgreen:

  • Comment 29, posted at 15.08.10 22:07:55 by chaz Reply

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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 18) : Win the CC :?: :!: :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 30, posted at 15.08.10 22:08:52 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 30) : EOYT = end of year tour

  • Comment 31, posted at 16.08.10 08:31:34 by Ice Reply
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  • I think this article might put Divs little outburst last week into perspective… obviously the Senior players put pressure on Div to include Frans in the squad, and when that went sour because of Management bunglings (and an unforseen injury to Frans), Div had a little dig at the senior players in public… basically questioning how much patience is he expected to have with this “Frans issue”.

  • Comment 32, posted at 16.08.10 08:38:45 by CS Reply

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  • It’s interesting that the senior players asked to have Frans in the squad… obviously his “big-headedness” is not an issue for them, only for someone like Div who has a chip on his shoulder and gets upset with anyone who dares question his authority and/or ability.

    We are all entitled to our personal opinions… I personally have no respect for Div, I believe is has short-man syndrome and a chip on his shoulder for reasons which we’re not allowed to discuss on this site. Whatever ability he may have behind closed doors, I do not give him any credit for, because of the way he behaves in public.

    Frans Steyn on the other hand is a prodigious talent who has the ability to pull games out of the hat when it really matters. Sure, he may be an arrogant so-and-so (I don’t know, only going on what the media tells me?), but I good man-manager can manage that ego and channel it for good results on the field. Look at James Small as an example of a complete twat that was invaluable to the Springboks in his time… and the team put up with him because of the value he brought on the field! I don’t think Frans Steyn is even close in terms of attitude.

    So there you have it… all my cards on the table :roll:

  • Comment 33, posted at 16.08.10 08:45:34 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 33) : Agree on all counts.

  • Comment 34, posted at 16.08.10 09:20:22 by klempie Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 32) : @CS (Comment 33) :

    You see the problem is that you believe everything you read as facts!!

    Dude, none of us will know what the real story is.

  • Comment 35, posted at 16.08.10 10:00:21 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 35) : Which is why we’re all entitled to think what we like. :cool:

  • Comment 36, posted at 16.08.10 10:06:26 by klempie Reply

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  • ‘obviously the Senior players put pressure on Div to include Frans in the squad, and when that went sour because of Management bunglings (and an unforseen injury to Frans), Div had a little dig at the senior players in public…’

    The words ‘obviously’ and ‘Div HAD a little dig’

    WTF?? :roll: :???:

  • Comment 37, posted at 16.08.10 10:18:59 by wpw Reply
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  • It sounds like Snor actually has not F-ing clue on whats going on. I think that the 2009 Tri Nations and B&I Lions victories where down to the senior players and had nothing to do with Snors influence. In fact, those ridiculour subs in the 1st Test in Durban show him up as what he is, a political puppet put there to please those in positions of influence.

    Transformation will happen naturally, there is no need to rush it. In 20 years the chances are that more than 50% of the boks will the players of colour that have earned there places. Its a numbers game.

    Fire this flipping tool now, bring in someone with an ounce of intelligence and lets get back to playing rugby and not having these ridiculous comments to defend. This muppet spends more time in front of the media instead of on the practise pitch fixing his mistakes.

    GATVOL!!!

    Fransie, you are a legend, I understand why you left, but come back ASAP! The Boks need you, not these pretenders at 15…

  • Comment 38, posted at 16.08.10 10:25:17 by Mole Reply

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  • @Mole (Comment 38) : please – that comment was way over the line on terms of what’s considered acceptable here. I’m not going to be heavy-handed and censor it, but I will if you don’t tone it down.

    Thanks.

  • Comment 39, posted at 16.08.10 10:29:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : Fair enough, you have the job of policing this site.

    However, I stick by my comments, in future I will tone it down.. a little ;-)

  • Comment 40, posted at 16.08.10 10:45:06 by Mole Reply

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  • @Mole (Comment 40) : that’s all I ask. Just don’t take it personal-like :)

  • Comment 41, posted at 16.08.10 10:51:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • I don’t want to add to this, but frankly I am sick and tired of hearing that PdV is simply riding the coat tails of the senior players. Bottom line is there is no such thing as a “pedestrian” coach in international rugby. It is not possible for an international team to coach itself and be successful, especially in the professional era. Whether you like him or not, he coached the Boks to a BIL series win, a Tri-Nations and 3 wins in a row of the ABs. Of course he has also coached the Boks to 3 losses in a row in this year’s Tri-Nations and he is just as responsible for that as he is for last year’s successes.

    Makes absolutely no sense to say he didn’t coach the team last year to all the successes, that it was the senior players, and then to blame him for the Tri-Nations losses this year. Come on, show some consistency.

  • Comment 42, posted at 16.08.10 13:00:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 42) : where’s the “like” button? :)

  • Comment 43, posted at 16.08.10 13:02:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 31) : thanks :oops:
    and afternoon everyone :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 16.08.10 15:31:52 by chaz Reply

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  • I’ve been away for a week, nothing’s changed. We’re still stuck on the same subject just two pages on.

    In my opinion, if Frans would die on the field for the Springboks he would not have jeopardized his chances of playing for them in the first place. That comment makes no sense from his European club in France. You have to back your comments up with some actions, otherwise they are just empty words.

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.08.10 14:42:48 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 45) :

    Welcome back Letgo.. lol

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.08.10 14:44:21 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • As far as Pdiv goes, I don’t know if he actually coaches the Boks, since I’m not part of their training sessions, but since he wears that label around his neck I will credit him with all good and bad performances the boks deliver.

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.08.10 14:45:14 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 46) : Nice to b back!

  • Comment 48, posted at 19.08.10 14:45:49 by Letgo Reply
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  • Oh and Pdiv has a right not to like a player and no coach should be forced to play any particular player.

    Jake White was forced to select Luke Watson and everyone went crazy about that (not that Luke’s actions helped the situation), but still, no player has a right to any team, and if the selectors feel that you don’t fit into the setup of the team, no matter how good you are, they have the right to leave you out of that team.

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.08.10 14:52:09 by Letgo Reply
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  • I don’t think selecting Frans Steyn at 15 for the Boks will make one ounce of a difference to how the team as a whole perform and just the fact that this whole “the coach doesn’t like me the player aren’t committed” issue comes with Steyn forces me to believe the sooner we let him go and drop him completely the better.

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.08.10 14:52:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • 20 more articles and I’m caught up…I missed SW :!: :!: :!: :cry:

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.08.10 14:53:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 51) : :lol:

    Need to keep up on your phone

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.08.10 15:07:11 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 52) : I don’t know how to do that!!! Or even if my phone can do that. :oops:

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.08.10 15:11:22 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 53) : :lol:

    Best way to find out is to see if you can get Opera mini

    m.opera.com

  • Comment 54, posted at 19.08.10 15:15:46 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 54) : Thanks, I’ll try that. I’m showing severe symptoms of SW withdrawal.

  • Comment 55, posted at 19.08.10 15:20:57 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 54) :

    Dude, opera mini is so 1990′s!!

    Get with the times bro!! lmao :twisted:

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