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What went wrong?


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks, Tri Nations on 22 Aug 2010 at 19:43
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It is time for some serious introspection in the Springbok camp and not just the players, the coaching staff as well.

Springbok coach Peter de Villiers assured the media and public last week that the ‘Springboks are ready and have made the necessary adjustments’ after their first three Tri-Nations defeats.

However, the conclusion after their fourth defeat from four outings and just a single log point in the competition is that they are simply not good enough or that something is drastically wrong.

It’s time for the Springbok management to start taking some responsibility for the state of the team.

At least the referee was not blamed for this defeat, although de Villiers said the All Blacks did get the bounce of the ball on all seven occasions.

De Villiers and his selection committee must start questioning whether they have the right personnel on the field – and off it.

For the umpteenth time in his career, Bryan Habana shot up from the defensive line to make a try for the opposition that much easier.

Has he been spoken to about that and why does he persist? (and why hasn’t he, in all his years of playing rugby, been taught to carry the ball under his left arm when running down the left-hand touchline?) It is also time to start asking questions about the Bok management.

For example, the All Blacks brought on fresh legs and South Africa left three players on the bench as the pace increased.

The All Blacks were exemplary in the way they brought their players onto the field – and the end result fittingly came from replacement Israel Dagg – after Ma’a Nonu burst through a tired Bok captain John Smit’s tackle.

Does de Villiers not trust his bench?

Or doesn’t he have the depth of the All Blacks despite saying the contrary?

Whatever the reason, the visitors, playing at altitude, lasted and improved as the Boks lagged.

Is there no other game plan than driving up ball after ball and then kicking it away which resulted in the bulk of the All Blacks points? When the Springboks’ backline, out of desperation, had to attack in the last minute, they lost control in the tackle. The turnover – of which there were many – brought the All Blacks victory.

Why were the All Blacks so often able to attack with their backs and the Boks not? While South Africa’s one-on-one tackling was outstanding, the All Blacks too often created space where the Boks’ defence fell short.

The question why an unfit Ricky Januarie – by admission of the Springbok management – was selected for the first seven Tests of the season before giving Francois Hougaard his first start is another that begs answering.

Hougaard showed he is clearly in a different class from Januarie – who is now (at last) said by the Springbok management to be fit for rugby at this level.

All Blacks coach Graham Henry referred to the fitness of the All Blacks in the post-match media interview and had special praise for their fitness coach Nick Gill, saying he deserved credit for the way the team managed to snatch victory in the dying minutes.

“He doesn’t often get credit but he’s got this team in great shape and it showed in the last 10 minutes, their fitness is superb,” Henry said.

“We finished stronger and showed the ability to hang in there, the ability to do the job under all sorts of stress.”

On Sunday Henry repeated that this was probably the most satisfying Tri-Nations win although he did point out that every one of the previous nine titles were special to the All Blacks.

“But this one is the most recent and current and we’re pleased at the way the guys played. Winning the Tri-Nations is always special because you’re playing the other two top teams in the world.”

Referring to the All Blacks who conceded three defeats to the Boks last year, he said “the team’s progress has been quite significant. To win at the (Soccer City) Stadium and at altitude is a huge achievement and very satisfying.”

Henry said he hoped the team would keep on improving.

“It is important that you analyse the game correctly and it’s not all positives and there are some negatives to work on. It’s also important to analyse the opposition, to see how they helped you to win, if you know what I mean,” he said smilingly.

“I think these are the important factors and that it will keep us getting better.”

Henry said the three losses to South Africa last year were indeed a motivating factor for his team’s improvement and their fitness.

Similarly the three Springbok losses this year will galvanise them, he predicted.

“There is plenty talent [in South Africa] to pick from and they won’t be panicking [after coming so close] – and they shouldn’t be panicking.”

Rugby 365 / SAPA



127 Comments

  • I have a NOT SO left field opinion on what went wrong.

    A good friend of mine has just returned from SA after vacation and has enlightened me to some very interesting talk doing the rounds in some circles up north.

    Talk is that the camp is split into two “factions” with Victor Matfield leading one of those camps in an effort to be the captain for the 2011 RWC.

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.08.10 19:50:29 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • what happened to the saying that ‘no player is bigger than the team’?

    Peter de Villiers for all the compliments he gets for being a good player-manager, he has really failed in taking charge of the springbok team.

    Have you ever heard it being rumoured anywhere that Richie is coaching the forwards, Mils the backs? Graham Henry, Wayne Smith, Steve Hansen are running the show, when the team wins they get the accolades, when the team loses the take the beatings unlike in our country where the senior players bask in the glory of wins but are exempted from scrutiny when sh*t hits the fan and only the coaches are roasted!

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.08.10 20:21:33 by Megatron Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 2) :

    So true!

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.08.10 21:16:31 by KSA Shark © Reply
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    I wouldn’t be surprised. Could explain why Spies is still in the team and why Timotei has had so many chances.
    And let’s not forget the Bulls have 4 locks in the Boks squad (of late) FOUR locks!! :shock:

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.08.10 21:28:39 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 4) : The problem is the Bulls 4 lock can not get through a game without a suspension, so they need three guys to fill the one position (Bakkies, Danie and Flip). :lol:

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.08.10 21:44:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 5) : You could replace all three with one Sykes :twisted: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.08.10 21:46:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • On a more serious note, we are short of tight locks in SA it seems. Bekker seems like a very capable replacement for Matfield in the future, and even Hargreaves is now stepping up and deserves a look in at some point. But at 4, there really is nobody. Last year WP brought in Chris Jack who was sorely needed at 4, and the difference in their team showed it. Sykes has had a quiet season so far (although was really good against WP), but has a history of doing the donkey work and doing it well. Flip, like Bakkies appears to be a walking yellow card, and Danie while an excellent replacement is surely beyond his sell by date. Am I missing anyone?

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.08.10 21:51:31 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Finally, I know I have said this before, but why are we all getting worked up about a sublime AB performance, coupled with poor Bok performances, in fighting, and calls for the coaches head the year before a RWC. Have we not seen this before??????

    Last season we were head and shoulders above the ABs, this season they are head and shoulders above us. Don’t you think the tables can simply reverse in a single year? Of course they can. Our senior players are getting a very long rest after the Tri-Nations. No EOYT and no CC. Just rest and conditioning programs. This is the right timing, not taking them out of Super Rugby like the ABs tried in 2007. Our players will have the right amount of rest and enough time to get all cobwebs worked out and ensure a return to form. This bodes well for the RWC, and now is NOT the time for change, just like 2006 was NOT the time for change. Sit tight people, the Boks will have a good RWC 2011, quite possibly even winning. We will have several players back next season, and quite pivotal players as well. I get rather frustrated with how fickle SA supporters can be at times.

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.08.10 21:58:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • DB
    Adriaan Fondse is quite good. Hasn’t Skeate also been good of late?? Is he a 4 lock??

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.08.10 22:00:42 by wpw Reply
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  • Spot on as always DB.
    And let’s not forget we are missing the worlds best player, Fourie Du Preez and best hooker in Bissie!!
    Juan has just returned and so too JPP.
    Frans should also add some much needed class from fullback along with his drop kicks from anywhere!! :cool:

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.08.10 22:04:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 9) : Although Skeate played at 4 against the Leopards, he is definitely a 5 lock. He is more slightly built, really needs more bulk to be a tight lock. Fondse is OK, has improved much this year, but has a way to go. Sykes is very quiet, but is a big strong lad, and really gets stuck into the donkey work, and that is needed from a 4 lock.

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.08.10 22:04:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 10) : Yep, people really need to take a deep breath and wait. Unfortunately Rugby is now played on a 4 year cycle, with the RWC being the all important target. Tournaments along the way, like the Tri-Nations and 6 Nations are now simply opportunities to hone your team for the big event. If you win one along the way, good for you. But clearly there is frustration with the ABs performance in modern Rugby because they win everything between RWCs and then fail in the big event. I don’t like the way Rugby is nowadays, would still like the highlights to be long tours, but that is in the past, every test match is no longer important, only those 8 played every 4 years.

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.08.10 22:09:00 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • DB,4 locks are like tightheads: they are born, not created. You need hard and uncompromising guys who don’t care about glory, just grinding the opposition into dust. Very rare breed.

    You are right about the Boks. Injury, suspension and some baffling selections mean that next year we will be primed, while the AB’s may be over-confident.

    I think we will do well. My only concern is that we have shown an inability to step up under pressure this season, and we have not learnt to use space when given it, despite the new rules. I’m a bit disappointed in P0DV’s lack of innovation and courage in selection.

    As for the player power games, its nothing new to the fiercely provincial Bok team. We had it with Joost and Krige before, and Vic was dropped by White before for being an ass.

    PDV needs to take heat for not dealing with it, but with all due respect to Oubaas, I see nbo compelling evidence of this, despite his friend’s advice.

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.08.10 22:10:20 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 13) : I wonder if our seeming inability to step up under pressure and inability to use the open space has more to do with unwillingness on PdV’s part to give something away prior to the RWC. We know now what the ABs are going to be doing at the RWC and have a year to prepare. I don’t think the ABs have any idea what kind of game the Boks are going to come out and play next season. Maybe that is a good and clever thing?

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.08.10 22:13:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Sounds great DB, but I suspect its too deep to be true.

    Make no mistake, I think we are on track for a good WC, but I think we need to re-look our attacking play too.

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.08.10 22:50:03 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 14) : Puff Divvy is too stupid for that – you are talking about the coach who rates Earl Rose, Fatboy & meisiekind. He doesn’t have a plan and has admitted to as much.

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.08.10 23:08:52 by lostfish Reply
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  • I agree, there’s still loads of time, most of our players look knacked, a long rest coming up and a chance to see what other combos we have for the EOYT. PDivvy looks like a slow learner, hopefully next year he would have learnt, 1 year bad, next year good, this year bad, hopefully next year good?!?!

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.08.10 06:41:44 by Tintin Reply

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  • Normally i don’t blame the ref: But certanly the ref needs to take a shot or two or three on the chin here. He made some shocker decisions. Especially at ruck time. Richie and his men came flying over the top, off their feet, in from the side and playing the ball with their hands on three or four different occasions. Besides that the whole game he is pretty spot on with the slightest of forward passes. but when it mattered most and with two minutes on the clock, he and his assistants let one slip which probably cost us the game.

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.08.10 08:02:02 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • Never in my LIFE have I seen such devastation like we saw from Johnno. I was gutted on his behalf – but really, I do not think we would have made it (especially if Carter was 100%).

    JOHNNO – You ARE a legend! I just wish your 100th was something special – but as McCaw said – rugby is a cruel game. :cry:

    What is really a worrying factor to me is….if we could not pull it through under such great circumstances ((90000+ people, great atmosphere, special occasion infront of a home crowd etc etc)..would we be able to do it at all???

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.08.10 08:15:22 by Ice Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 5) : ROFLMAO !! Very True :!:

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.08.10 08:24:27 by Original Log Leader Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 10) : Who are you? And what have you done to the real wpw? :shock:

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.08.10 08:41:15 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • Wow what an experience at the FNB Stadium despite the result.The crowds were amazing, the atmosphere brilliant and what an occasion at the beautifull stadium. :cool:

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.08.10 08:45:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 22) :

    You are one lucky bugger..

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.08.10 08:46:40 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 21) :

    Hey JAF. :grin:

    I have always rated Frans but I just don’t like his attitude (seems windgat)

    He will bring much needed class to the backline but I feel we have too many players who are struggling with form.

    Now I didnt watch the game but judging from the comments on the match thread it seems that Habs and Spies were not good at all.

    Also, can someone please compare last year’s victorious TN team to this years?? :roll:

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.08.10 09:31:05 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 24) :

    I think there is one clear difference.. F du Preez!!

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.08.10 09:34:47 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 25) :

    I think you may be right BUT lets not forget Brussow, Bismarck and Beast.

    All three of them had VERY good Tri Nations tournaments and Morne Steyn was also unstoppable.

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.08.10 09:40:35 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 26) :

    Brussow is another, and I must be honest, I forgot about him.

    What I cant understand is that Bismarck and Beast are both available.. why not play them.. are they no longer good enough to even sit on the bench, considering they were 3N winners last year?!

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.08.10 09:43:01 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 27) :

    Bissie only just got back from injury so lets see if Div selects him for the next test against the Aussies.

    Beast really didnt have a great S14 as opposed to Gurthro who really came into his own.

    Tell me, did CJ do well when he came on from the bench?? :roll:

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.08.10 09:47:34 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 28) :

    I didnt see the entire game, I was covering the U21 game.

    Guthro has been pretty solid, but Beast just brings that little extra on attack..

    Do you really think Bissie will get the nod over Captain Smit?

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.08.10 09:53:02 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 29) :

    *cough* Smit at tighthead *cough cough* ;-)

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.08.10 10:11:01 by wpw Reply
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  • I really feel bad for John. Missing the tackle that costs you and your team your 100th match must be the worst feeling in the world.

    But, all emotions aside, it’s not as if that missed tackle was a once-off. John, Spies and Matfield (there are others, but I single these out as players who should be setting the example), have all been falling off tackles of late.

    It’s unfortunate that one miss can lose you a game, but it simply highlights a problem that has plagued the Boks in the 3N this year – our first time tackling has been piss poor.

    The fact that our defense got worse as the game on Saturday progressed is very worrying, because it shows a weaknesss in physical fitness as well as a deterioration in concentration levels as the players got tired.

    And this after we had a few weeks of rest. I can just see Prof. Tim Noakes banging his head against his whiteboard.

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.08.10 10:19:06 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 31) :

    Noakes will be crying that they all need a break and that they are playing too much rugby..

    The thing is, all three nations have been playing the same amount of rugby through the Super 14 and then some internationals and now the Tri Nations..

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.08.10 10:21:06 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I am going to pick the Boks to win the next to games. My SB is already down the drain, it cant get any worse. :twisted:

    Go Bokke :!: :!: :!:

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.08.10 10:32:01 by Jarson Reply
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  • Thought our game was much improved….it is amazing at the difference Juan and Franscois made to the side. In the 1st half we were competing at the breakdowns and it made a difference to our backline. 4 to 5 guys there cleaning out and bossing the AB’s about for a change… The change started when Juan was subbed (WHY? WHY? WHY?…our guys stood off the the breakdowns, AB’s allowed to get their way again. How do we expect to get the ball when dont compete at the breakdonws – the AB’s are extremely good at keeping the ball, there really is not much opportunity anywhere else to get the ball. Anyway so no ball, because no mbreakdown work, equals frustration and desperation, which is just the perfect recipe for stupid mistakes. Francois Hougaard (sp?), is gem of a find, and thank goodness for that, as it now appears as if there might be life after FDP! Also why subd him with Panic Mechanic with 6 minutes to go and we are all hanging on with our finger nails…if you’re gonna make such an influencial change to the team, do it when they have time to adjust to the different(slow and pathetic) playing styles..

    Our fitness levels was embarrasing – maybe it is because of three weeks off, but it is the first time that I remember a visiting team out gunning us at altitude!

    Huge Franscois Steyn fan – but I think bringing him in now is too little too late….we should write of the next two games and use them to blood newbies to the international level.

    PDV is breaking my heart!

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.08.10 10:36:46 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Jarson (Comment 33) : My SB is on zero – cant pick against the Bokke, and I pick for the AB’s – just can’t.. :(

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.08.10 10:37:51 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 35) : Ive only picked one game against them :oops: Im not following my heart though. The Boks can and shouldve win all the games.

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.08.10 10:49:02 by Jarson Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 34) :

    So you forgot about the 16-52 scoreline a few years ago?? :twisted:

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.08.10 11:05:22 by wpw Reply
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  • Morning :cool:

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  • @Jarson (Comment 36) :

    Go with my theory.. back against the Boks, so that either way you have a bit of joy no matter the result..

    But to be honest, I have gone for the Boks to beat the Aus..

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.08.10 11:23:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 38) : Congrats to the AB’s…..winning against the Boks and a hugely hostile crowd.

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.08.10 11:24:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 40) :

    Cheers….. wow what a match ! ;-)

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 40) : Hi Pokkel, the stadium`s amazing hey? and what an atmosphere! did you check yourself out on the vodacom Fancam? i have to say that, what was pretty obvious on the field was the lack of fitness of the boks. in a high-paced game like saterday`s was, our forwards and backs were walking around and stretching quite a bit more than the AB`s did. now, is that lack of fitness or tiredness creeping in like Prof Noakes warned us?

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 42) :

    Excellent observation VW ….Tiredness ?

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 41) : congrats on the AB`s, they deserved to win. They played the better rugby, the looked fitter and more balanced and now my favourites to win their second WC next year if all your guys stays fit.

    IMO only SA and the Aussies has a realistic chance of beating you in NZ, and i cant see that happening, not if the AB keep playing like they do. (maybe Le Blue can work their magic again…) Now u guys can better the 17 consecutive test wins in a row…

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.08.10 11:48:54 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 44) :

    Cheers….i think all you points have real validity ! :cool:

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.08.10 11:55:53 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 43) : too much game-time for the older players, and it is the older players that are letting the boks down at the moment, sorry to say. i think we should give them a rest and a chance to revitalise before the WC.

    another thing, i was quite surprised at how relatively young your team was. The Bulk should still be there for the next WC?

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.08.10 11:56:11 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 46) :

    I’m not convinced about resting the Top players from TEST rugby.

    I have gone full circle on that argument.

    I remember when the AB’s rested the entire side against England on the EOYT of 2002 then rolled out our fresh side at home before the 2003 WC and lost….and obviously went on to lose 2003 WC Semi.

    AB have only 10 Tests before the WC, i think there will be a little bit of rotation in the dead rubber v Australia in the next match.

    But i very much doubt they rest too many for our Grand Slam Tour.

    I believe more now in resting them in ITM (CC) and the start of the Super 15….. not test Rubgy…for me they are the priority matches.

    I believe it confuses the situation and sometimes prolongs careers of players that are a spent force !

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.08.10 12:03:31 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Boks were unfit, some players are completely out of form, players don’t seem to have a plan B and can’t execute plan A properly.

    The coaches and selectors are to blame for bad selections and picking out of form players. The coach is to blame for not using his bench properly. The coaches are also to plan for lack of game plans.

    The AB’s deserved to win and Puff Divvy just shows how clueless he is when he said that the Boks can beat any team on any given day.

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  • @lostfish (Comment 48) :

    If Rob asks me onto the Podcast tomorrow night….i would like to talk about the Boks gameplan….. I don’t really think it is totally a player issue.

    Boks look uncomfortable in attack both the forwards and backs ?

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 42) : I found myself on the fancam…amazing that. The noise in the stadium when the Haka was being performed was unbelieveable and the crowd showed zero respect for the Haka. I have huge respect for the Haka but that was amazing. I completely choked up when the National Anthem was played and I could barely sing and also the reception that John Smit got when he ran on the field. The result didn’t our way but an experience I’ll always remember.

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.08.10 12:18:07 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 50) :

    Could have heard a pin drop on the final whistle !

    Talk about silencing a crowd !

    Amazing stadium….great to see it full !

    Looks the number one venue in Test Rugby !

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 47) : i agree with you there, if they should rest, it should be in the local comps or at the most in the Super 14/15 comp. To sum-up the boks on saterday is that they never looked threatening… if that is due to the lack of good coaching, form, motivation or plain fitness, it should be adressed NOW! and by that i dont want to take away anything of the pollished performance of the AB.

    Being at the stadium, it gave me a chance to see Richie in action. He freaken everywhere on that field!! and he always gives himself the chance at playing the ball, and for that he should be everywhere on the field… he had a cracker!!

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.08.10 12:21:42 by VanWilder Reply

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  • Everybody seems to overlook that the Boks lost in the last 5 minutes because of 12 points been given to them by the match officials, wonder what the outcry would have been if it was vice versa, WOW, honestly I think that people SHOULD start to change their mindsets on supporting the Bok set-up in a whole, as much as the COACH takes the bigger cut on responsibilty when it comes to the results, individual players performance and crucial descision making also needs to be taken into account, but all of those players up their game and should get credit for it, I am still feeling sad for John Smit, but I salute him for taking responsibilty on that crucial miss tackle…

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.08.10 12:23:19 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 49) : It is 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

    The Boks look useless on attack in both the forwards and the backs. They seem to keep doing the same thing over and over again and don’t change when things are not working.

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.08.10 12:24:38 by lostfish Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 52) : Richie might have been all over the field, but Juan “YSTER” Smith keeped him in tact… ;-)

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.08.10 12:24:59 by Charlie Reply

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  • i find it very noble of john taking responsibility for that last missed tackle, but lets be honest both the last tries came from handing attacking ball cheaply to the ab’s. morne steyns strategic kicking was poor. where were the back up defenders? a test team should be good enough to have a backup defender in case of a missed tackle. so hear hear john for your taking of responsibility, it is noble. but also stupid, because you know the rest of your team mates won’t apologise for their many mistakes, leaving you again exposed to your haters. no i blame the coaches, and the selectors. any selector that believes januarie adds value to a team has serious judgement issues.

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.08.10 12:26:41 by try time Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 52) :

    I was very fortunate to see him play his first Test in Dublin against Ireland on the EOYT of 2001/02 (i think).

    …and that struck me as well his engine is amazing just keeps on keeping on never stops. Even runs to the scrums and lineouts when the whistle goes.

    His energy rubs off on lesser players …always giving everything all the time.

    For me a true great a player people have grow to respect.

    In fact critics make fools of them selves when they try to diss him.

    A wonderful player/captain/leader…..and he went to my school ! :cool:

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.08.10 12:29:56 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 56) : Sorry but Ricky did not cost the Boks the game ;-)

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.08.10 12:30:05 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 50) : couldnt agree with you more. i cant even remember watching the haka, the sound of the people in the stadium was so amazing! as you said, we lost, but against the AB who deserved to win. i also found myself on fancam! amazing hey? and another wow moment was when the ref found himself facefirst in the grass! :twisted:

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.08.10 12:33:26 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 32) : True, it’s his pet peeve.

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.08.10 12:35:26 by rhineshark Reply
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  • as for the match officials, should we even mention the foward pass missed that levelled the score. never mind the tmo decision. i thought benefit of the doubt goes to the defenders. the ball touched the ground short of the line as his foot touched the ground. the ball then moved forward the centimeter but mccaw was already out. but then again shaun veldsman has a record of cocking up tmo decisions.

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.08.10 12:36:19 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 61) :

    :shock:

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  • @try time (Comment 61) : ;-)

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.08.10 12:38:09 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 58) : i was at the game, and a sad moment was when the crowd booeg Ricky when he came on. I`m not a fn of Ricky, but its not his fault for getting selected.

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.08.10 12:38:18 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 58) : 12 points were scored by the abs when he walked on and the boks scored none. so i won’t totally absolve him of responsibility. i have actually taped the game, so i actually want to watch the last ten to find out who was to blame. i know taking juan off instead of schalk was dumb. and hougaard was brilliant and shouldn’t have been taken off.

  • Comment 65, posted at 23.08.10 12:40:39 by try time Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 64) : ;-)

  • Comment 66, posted at 23.08.10 12:41:00 by Charlie Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 65) : Ok let me know your view on the last 10 min ;-)

  • Comment 67, posted at 23.08.10 12:42:05 by Charlie Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 64) : why is that a sad moment? it is the south african public protesting the only way they can, that januarie isn’t worthy of the bok jersey, as much as rory doesn’t deserve to play in the shark jersey on current form.

  • Comment 68, posted at 23.08.10 12:42:38 by try time Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 37) : Sorry! My bad, thought this thread was for the game on 21.08.2010….

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.08.10 12:44:05 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 48) :

    Dude, with all due respect, all you do is moan and groan and mae comments about game plans, etc.

    Please enlighten me, what game plan do YOU think we should play seeing as you claim the coaches are clueless. :???:

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.08.10 12:44:06 by wpw Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 65) : Juan de Jongh and Jean de Villiers had blinders on defence! there were about 6 or 7 times they saved our asses on defence (and at to that Francois Hougaard).

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.08.10 12:44:24 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 71) :

    I don’t think their or the Bok defence is the problem ! :idea:

  • Comment 72, posted at 23.08.10 12:48:47 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 68) : i agree with you that he dont deserve to be there, but to be booed by your own crowd… felt sorry for the lad. i actually stopped booing him for a brief moment there… ;-)

  • Comment 73, posted at 23.08.10 12:53:25 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 51) : True…

  • Comment 74, posted at 23.08.10 12:59:07 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 65) : Scrumhalf is such a vital position for any team – taking someone who was proving invaluable during such a nail biting time of the game was STUPID! Juan Smith was by far the best player on the field – why sub him, he wasn’t looking tired or making mistakes….IMO Schalk was also immense so I would have left him on – They should have taken Habana off – The Mechanic would have done a better job on the wing on Saturday

  • Comment 75, posted at 23.08.10 13:03:12 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 71) : yes it is amazing the difference when a player is played in the right position.

  • Comment 76, posted at 23.08.10 13:03:27 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 61) :

    How Veldsman still has a job is beyond me.

    He was prolly scared of the outcry had he gone the other way!! :roll:

  • Comment 77, posted at 23.08.10 13:03:33 by wpw Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 68) :

    Bro, I dont think ANY player deserves to be booed, no matter how bad they are.

    Booing is just not on imho. :evil:

  • Comment 78, posted at 23.08.10 13:05:07 by wpw Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 73) : had the selectors just dropped him there wouldn’t be need to protest. but they want to be idjoots and play, don’t expect love from the fans that paid for their tickets to see the best players in the country.

  • Comment 79, posted at 23.08.10 13:05:09 by try time Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 78) : i used to be of that opinion, but no-one listens to a silent protest.

  • Comment 80, posted at 23.08.10 13:06:42 by try time Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 75) : you have hit a nail on the head. habana is a liability. he gave away the try going for an intercept instead of defending. and it isn’t the first time. we have better wingers, lets start using them (but after the sharks win the currie cup with them).

  • Comment 81, posted at 23.08.10 13:09:07 by try time Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 77) : I am with you. As far as I know he was asked if a try was scored, yet he answered “there is no clear indication that the player was in touch or not” THAT was NOT the question…

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  • @wpw (Comment 78) :

    wpw have you been able to see the match yet….will be interested to see what you think. Just missed you this morning. Chat soon !

  • Comment 83, posted at 23.08.10 13:10:46 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • another player that deserves some crit is morne. a player with his experience should never kick three shockers in a row. two balls in the dead ball and the kick into the hands of the attacking players. he definitely was public enemy no.1 in the last 15 minutes. those 3 kicks took all momentum away from sa.

  • Comment 84, posted at 23.08.10 13:12:00 by try time Reply

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  • Can someone please confirm if TWG13 will be eligible for the next test??

    If so, i wonder if De Jongh will be dropped. We need all the experience for the next test.

  • Comment 85, posted at 23.08.10 13:12:17 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 70) : he won’t tell you! He is just repeating what he has been hearing in the papers and here on SW! The current game plan just needs tweaking in that before morne (or any of the players for tha matter) kicks he must’ve assessed the situation -ie does he have an overlap on his outside, can he take the beat the player in front him, go over the adv line and look to offload etc.

    South African players like to relinquish responsibility from themselves and their decisions by saying ‘that was the gameplan’ when questions are posed on their decision -making!

    At Eden Park morne steyn kicked a drop goal in the 9th minute when the Boks had the ball and were on the attack in AB territory! Was tha part of the game plan or did he just have a brainfart?

    Where i blame the coaches is in the selection! No elaborate, complex genius gameplan will come off if you have an unfit hooker, scrumhalf and your eighth man is a non-tacklin showpony!!

  • Comment 86, posted at 23.08.10 13:12:36 by Megatron Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 85) : you just want de jongh back to help province turn their campaign around. :lol:

  • Comment 87, posted at 23.08.10 13:18:45 by try time Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 32) : Apparently it’s not only Noakes who is crying that they are playing too much and need a break.

    Straight from the horse’s mouth:

    http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/TriNations/Boks-playing-too-much-Smit-20100823

  • Comment 88, posted at 23.08.10 13:47:24 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 87) : I think Wynand Olivier might be dropped. de Jongh on the bench.

  • Comment 89, posted at 23.08.10 13:56:03 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 89) : i know, just giving wpw some schtick cos his poefters got pomped. :lol:

  • Comment 90, posted at 23.08.10 14:13:54 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 90) :

    As Naas always says: ‘On die udder hand Darren, the Currie Cup is not won in August’ :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 91, posted at 23.08.10 14:20:51 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 91) : that is why i enjoy the great moments before playoffs when my team has a tendency to choke. no point keeping quiet then taking schtick when they throw another playoff. :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 92, posted at 23.08.10 14:30:10 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 92) :

    I think we will be up there but the Sharks have imho the best forward pack in the country and your failure to make the semis mainly stems from that useless backline our yours.

    Stefan, Swannie, Rory, Ruan (at 10)

    I think you guys can definitely go all the way this year!!

    Depends on whether the Bulls get all their Boks back and in what kinda form Morne Steyn is.

    Oh and FDP is out so that increases yours and our chances!! :twisted:

  • Comment 93, posted at 23.08.10 14:45:57 by wpw Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 92) : :lol:

  • Comment 94, posted at 23.08.10 14:51:09 by Letgo Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 93) : Jy koep wee gesig ! :lol:

  • Comment 95, posted at 23.08.10 15:26:20 by Charlie Reply

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  • A big difference between the 2 sides for me was the front rows. franks, mealamu and woodcock are all 3 a lot more mobile and quicker around the park when compared to steenkamp smit and du plessis the latter who just seems pre-occupied with scrummaging… Their whole tight 5 are quicker around the park when comparing locks as well… Also I feel we should have kicked to touch rather than infield

  • Comment 96, posted at 23.08.10 15:52:30 by frikkie se broer Reply

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  • @frikkie se broer (Comment 96) : yip, that, and the fact that we missed brussouw. we lost alot of possesion at ruck time. but we also won a few with good rucking, something we could not even buy in the overseas leg of the 3N.

  • Comment 97, posted at 23.08.10 16:12:21 by VanWilder Reply

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  • quite a few things went wrong and as usual collective should take responsibility.

    I could not understands why Steyn kept kicking in field when you allegedly have the best line-out. If they were afraid of quick throw-ins why nobody instructed wings to run to prevent it – and those 2 kicks that went over a deadball line – eish.

    hammered at breakdowns, loosing a ball too often. and substitution of juan smith – weird.

    pity – because the fans did their bit.

  • Comment 98, posted at 23.08.10 16:51:23 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • i did not see the stats but it seemed like abs had much more ball so no wonder that boks were exhausted after all this tackling.

    and BTW – this altitude thing must be a myth. :roll:

  • Comment 99, posted at 23.08.10 16:52:28 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) : also heard that there is a fight along those lines if true : what is matfield thinking :???:

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  • @Megatron (Comment 2) : amen !

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 8) : AB are talking how last year’s whitewash motivated them. I just hope that because 2006 was also bad this year’s disaster is not excused.

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  • @rekinek (back to rugby) (Comment 100) :

    of Himself. :cry: :evil:

  • Comment 103, posted at 23.08.10 16:56:56 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 19) : yip – they were showing his wife crying her eyes out as well. shame.
    wonder how matfield’s 100th gonna be. I hear tickets are not selling ..

  • Comment 104, posted at 23.08.10 16:58:19 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 103) : and of the team : must be 2 opposites :???:

  • Comment 105, posted at 23.08.10 16:59:13 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 22) : yip :grin:
    as i said earlier the fans did their bit (including elvis people :mrgreen: .

  • Comment 106, posted at 23.08.10 17:01:24 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 31) : this missed tackle did not cost us the game (btw it looks like he managed to pull the shoe off Nonu’s foot :mrgreen:

  • Comment 107, posted at 23.08.10 17:03:44 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 46) : ya ; older players – maybe time to give youngsters a go. We can’t go with ageing team to WC : methinks.

  • Comment 108, posted at 23.08.10 17:06:12 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 53) : don’t forget the points carter left at the park. I think he missed 4 out of 9 kicks. Boks could have been down much more unfortunately.

  • Comment 109, posted at 23.08.10 17:09:22 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 56) : the guy who makes mistake last is the one who gets the blame but all the missed tackels earlier and all the rest you say.
    there is more than one individual to blame.

  • Comment 110, posted at 23.08.10 17:24:53 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • i think I sufficiently hogged this thread lead me move to another one :mrgreen:

  • Comment 111, posted at 23.08.10 17:26:12 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 84) : hehe – not out here to defend steyn but it is only his second season of test rugby.

  • Comment 112, posted at 23.08.10 17:28:23 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 86) : there is this old saying “they can’t score if they don’t have the ball”. i really don’t like kicking away possession. I’m sure it has its benefits in wet conditions or territorial gain but still not sold out on it.

  • Comment 113, posted at 23.08.10 17:41:49 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 92) : hehe :mrgreen:
    @wpw (Comment 91) : u should also enjoy these moments – just in case :lol:

  • Comment 114, posted at 23.08.10 17:44:25 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 86) :
    Its a shame nobody picked up on a quality comment here; I agree fully.

    We are well-placed for next year – but we need some sharpening as well.

  • Comment 115, posted at 23.08.10 17:47:17 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 115) :

    You are South Africa like NZ you are always well placed for the next year.

    The big points is ….’there is trouble at mill in SA rugby’

    …… and SA Rugby has some huge decisions to make …… get them right and you have as good a chance as 4 other teams come WC.

    Get them wrong and 2 team other teams will be in the final.

    We must remember we are 14 months out…..as you SA’s well know …a lot can happen in a year.

    But you must also remember all sides will look to improve their sides as WC year approaches.

    Decision time BF decision time.

  • Comment 116, posted at 23.08.10 18:09:17 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 70) : I am not the only one who is moaning and groaning, and I will give credit where it is due but the Boks and coaches don’t deserve the credit for their performances they have completely regressed from last year. You tend to pounce on anyone who doesn’t think PdV, GG and DM are good enough.

    With regards to the coaches. Our players are not fit enough – that is their responsibility to ensure the players are fit enough.

    The coaches and selectors picked an unfit Ricky to start and then still persist with him on the bench when there are better scrummies available.

    Habana is out of form.

    Selecting Jean de Villiers at wing.

    The players don’t select themselves, the coaches and selectors are doing a disservice to themselves and the players by selecting them.

    Morne is have a bad patch and yet Butch James is left on the bench.

    Smit is clearly not up for the full game yet Chili is left on the bench.

    The Boks don’t look effective with the ball in hand.

    I blame the players as well as the coaches.

    We are supposed to learn from our mistakes but yet the Boks don’t seem to be changing anything.

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  • @lostfish (Comment 117) :

    I am working on the solutions to Bok rugby as we speak ! :idea:

  • Comment 118, posted at 23.08.10 20:23:33 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Was that the worst Bok bench and Coach Substitution performance ever witnessed in SA Rugby…..must go close !

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 118) : Start at the top of SARU and work your way down…

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  • @lostfish (Comment 120) :

    That idiot Hoskins seems a muppet, get rid of him first !

    Something has got to happen someone has to go….surely ! :???:

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 118) :
    Throw in a solution for NZ to win a WC while the juices are flowing. :twisted:

    @Hertford Highlander (Comment 121) :
    Ah man, what you are saying touches directly on an aspect of strategy that greatly interests me.

    I am hoping to make the call tomorrow, and may be we can touch on it then, but suffice it to say that I am diametrically opposed to your stance.

  • Comment 122, posted at 23.08.10 23:58:40 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 119) : Cast your mind back to last years tour of the British and Irish Lions….. :sad:

  • Comment 123, posted at 24.08.10 08:16:13 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 123) : That was bad but was it as bad as Saturday?

  • Comment 124, posted at 24.08.10 09:24:44 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 124) : at least the Lions test was won so it smoothed out this move a bit.

  • Comment 125, posted at 24.08.10 09:37:40 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @rekinek (back to rugby) (Comment 125) : that is true…

  • Comment 126, posted at 24.08.10 09:40:32 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 122) :

    The Bok have 2 options in my opinion going forward. They both involve natural change.

    You are in the boat obviously that involves ….it will all sort itself out when our big 6 return.

    But…

    The Springbok Union, management, and team have been a shambles during the Tri Nations.

    I will be interested to hear what should be the strategy going forward if they drop their two remaining fixtures at home.

    Hope you can make the call tonight….if we get the nod ! :cool:

  • Comment 127, posted at 24.08.10 10:05:42 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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