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Complacent players to be dropped


Written by Warren Smith (war1)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 5 Sep 2010 at 18:09
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The Sharks players who were complacent in Saturday’s loss to the Bulls are set to pay for their mistakes by losing their place in the side for next week. Apparently John Plumtree warned his players through the week against complacency and he was quite rightly angry at the team’s third quarter capitulation to the defending champions. Plum is quoted as saying: “There will be some changes next week because I have no tolerance for complacency.”

With the Sharks enjoying an 8 point lead over the 2nd placed Western Province on the log, there is still no place for complacency in the Currie cup. Those kind of gaps can be closed very quickly in any rugby competition and the Sharks will need to pick themselves up and start playing well again if they want to have any chance of winning the Currie cup this year.

While the gameplan against the Bulls was not any different to what has worked so far in the Currie cup, the execution at times was terrible and Plum is justified in his tough stance. On top of the problems which manifested in Pretoria, Beast Mtwarira and Bismarck du Plessis look set to join the Springbok conditioning camp along with current Bok squad members John Smit and JP Pietersen and will only be available for the last round of the Currie cup and the playoffs (if the Sharks reach that stage). The team for this Friday’s game in Witbank would be expected to be a much changed outfit.

Another concern highlighted by the loss to the Bulls is the captaincy of Stefan Terblanche, why was he not able to fire the players up for the second half?

I might be overreacting but I have a funny feeling that the Sharks’ mental frailties have been found out and there is no way they will be able to win the Currie cup this year, I would love to be proven wrong and the responsibility for turning the team around rests with the senior players and I would hope that that would happen this coming weekend.



49 Comments

  • Sharks lost me some cash!

  • Comment 1, posted at 05.09.10 19:06:21 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Bad punting weekend for most people!!

  • Comment 2, posted at 05.09.10 20:16:04 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I have my theories as to why

  • Comment 3, posted at 05.09.10 20:18:53 by war1 Reply
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  • Care to share those theories?? :wink:

  • Comment 4, posted at 05.09.10 20:34:03 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 4) : nope

  • Comment 5, posted at 05.09.10 20:40:32 by war1 Reply
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  • Sharks lost against the bulls at loftus and theirs unhappines thats good to see shows how well they,ve been playing,in the past everyone would expect a loss at loftus ,wish expectations for the sharks would be like this all the time ,all that happened this weekend is the sharks got complacent cause their not used to be a winning streak this is a wake up call .I don,t know if it,s cause plumtree can,t do much right in my eyes but saying theirs going to be axings after one loss is not the right way to go ,their needs to be a consistent message

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.09.10 01:53:27 by zvision10 Reply

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  • I fully agree. The senior players let the team down. Two weeks in a row Botes has let the team down with ky jelly hands. He did a lot of work at the breakdown but kept turning over ball whilst on attack. Another player that had a shoddy performance was Sykes. He also turned over a lot of ball. Plum needs to take some blame for bringing on Kockett in the 60th minute. But the biggest culprit was Stefan. Instead of consolidating the lead he decided to take risky gambles that started backfiring. Last week I mentioned Stefan’s inability to get the team going, this week he failed again, and plum needs to seriously consider a new captain.

    What hurt the most about this weekend was not the losing, it was losing to the bulls. We have just put the bulls into the semi finals due to our stupidity on saturday. I was really looking forward to a year without bulls in the playoffs.

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.09.10 08:10:00 by try time Reply

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  • How can a team that dominated set play as much as the Sharks did, lose? That is a sign of shocking decision making.

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.09.10 08:17:58 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 8) : basic mistakes, missed first time tackles which gave the bulls momentum and knock ons with the tryline beckoning cost us.

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.09.10 08:21:39 by war1 Reply
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  • the knock ons were shocking. the sharks u19 and 21′s knock on less. you don’t expect this from well paid, professional players. i hope some heads do roll this week.

  • Comment 10, posted at 06.09.10 08:31:36 by try time Reply

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  • The handeling on Saturday was shocking especially on attack. I agree with TT. We could have kept the BB out of the play-offs had we won on Saturday and with the Boks returning for the semi’s and finals this weekends loss could really cost the Sharks dearly.

    Dammit Sharks :sad:

  • Comment 11, posted at 06.09.10 08:33:07 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Unless McCleod was injured, bringing on Rocket was just plain stupid..As was moving Lambie to fullback to accommodate Andre ‘ I haven’t played competitive rugby for 9 months’ Pretorius.. Idiotic substitutions.

    I agree with Rob, after that barnstorming first half, being up 24-13 at half time was not reward enough. The BB were not in the game until then.. Should have been at least 38-13 or so, had we pulled off the chances.

    Also costly misses by Lambie in his first 2 kicks at goal.

  • Comment 12, posted at 06.09.10 08:37:01 by Oubaas2009 Reply

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  • (Comment 7) : Your last paragraph took the words out of my mouth. I hate to lose against the Bulls. If somebody asks me what team I support my answers is:” I support two teams: The Sharks and anybody playing against the Bulls” Not even in a Super 14 final against a Aus or NZ team will I support the bulls. It was a dreadful rugby weekend and my Superbru stats ….. well what can I say

  • Comment 13, posted at 06.09.10 08:38:08 by Stef Reply

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  • I see the u19′s won.. Great win that for this team.

    U21′s got their arses handed to them by the Baby Bulls!

  • Comment 14, posted at 06.09.10 08:40:42 by Oubaas2009 Reply

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  • Why did we not take the last penalty as a line out and tried from there to score a try. By that time Stefan must have known that if we go in a ruck, maul tackle or what we are going to lose the ball. A line out closer to the try line could have help. OK if a try was scored in the corner, the conversion was difficult .. Almost as stupid as the Boks to try and keep the ball on the half line for 3 minutes. Even I knew that it was the wrong decision being in a kickable range for the Aussies. Perhaps they must reveal to us the IQ of some of these players. But you see it was a Bull in charge at that time, so what could we expect?

  • Comment 15, posted at 06.09.10 08:43:53 by Stef Reply

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  • @Stef (Comment 15) : yeah and being a typical cowardly bull he won’t apologise for poor decision making like john smit had the balls to do after the loss to the kiwis. matfield may be great in the lineouts. but between spies habana and matfield their defence is leaving holes in the boks backline. spies and matfield are never getting their hands dirty, they are cruising in the backline getting the way of jean and jacques. and letting quick opposition backs run around them. in the last two tests matfield has given at least 4 tries away due to players running around him on the way to the try line.

  • Comment 16, posted at 06.09.10 08:55:42 by try time Reply

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  • @Stef (Comment 15) : i was thinking the same. kick it out set up a maul. no we made 5 meters and lost the ball. idjoots.

  • Comment 17, posted at 06.09.10 08:56:41 by try time Reply

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  • well at least the sharks will deserve the poefter jerseys they have to wear in a fortnight. :lol:

  • Comment 18, posted at 06.09.10 09:04:29 by try time Reply

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  • I have a bad feeling about this: I had a dream on Sunday morning…. More of a nightmare…. I think we are going to hold on to 1st spot on the log….. But then the Bulls are going to hang around at 4th….. Thus, 1 play 4, bye bye my beloved sharks….. But it was just a dream…. :???: :sad: :shock: :| :|

  • Comment 19, posted at 06.09.10 09:05:13 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 19) : i had a similar nightmare on saturday night at 19h20. The sharks were 11 points up at half time and then some stupidity by plum to 22 turned a certain win to a disastrous loss to the bulls b side. :lol:

  • Comment 20, posted at 06.09.10 09:08:27 by try time Reply

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  • hope he kicks out monty,charl and sykes

  • Comment 21, posted at 06.09.10 09:36:22 by willa Reply

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  • The guys who need to be dropped are not complacent they just weren’t good enough to start with.

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    and possibly Kockott

  • Comment 22, posted at 06.09.10 10:43:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 22) :

    Monty is not a fullback Fullstop!!!

    And I dont think he is in the top 5 flyhalves at the Sharks currently..

  • Comment 23, posted at 06.09.10 10:46:26 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Mental frailties? That’s a little rough.
    Sure, the team cocked up a golden opportunity to move further up the log, but to label it as “mental frailty” isn’t on.
    The Bulls are a top side that have been on a bit of a slide lately. In saying this, The Sharks were a team with many question marks at the start of the season and have since found a game plan that has seen them shine. Any win at Loftus is one to be remembered and all of a sudden the boys in black white are favourites??? Looking at the outright betting, the bookies seem to all be of the belief that the Bulls are still in with a massive shout to lift the cup at 5/2. They share the same spot on the log with the Cheetahs and the Free State team is at 13/2!
    The Sharks still have a lot to do, the poin is, we played a class team and lost.

  • Comment 24, posted at 06.09.10 12:19:44 by blueski palooski Reply

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  • @blueski palooski (Comment 24) : the Sharks have a reputation for being chokers and they unfortunately lived up to that this weekend to quote plum from an article in the citizen: “Complacency is something I have absolutely no time for. If you want to be a championship team, you’ve gotta be like this team here – the Bulls are a proper team” complacency is mental frailty, full stop.

  • Comment 25, posted at 06.09.10 12:34:27 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 25) : I hear you and as much as it hurts to admit the Sharks can’t shake the chokers tag, it’s the truth. I just don’t believe that the loss was down to complacency. We have a team that has pulled together incredibly considering where we were at the start of 2010. The boys were on fire in the first 40 but were blown away in the last quarter. This is a young-ish team that still has a lot to learn.

  • Comment 26, posted at 06.09.10 12:44:16 by blueski palooski Reply

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  • @blueski palooski (Comment 26) : maybe this will be the lesson they needed to learn this season to mount a proper currie cup challenge, either that or proof that they don’t have what it takes, we will have to see how the team responds to this

  • Comment 27, posted at 06.09.10 12:48:03 by war1 Reply
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  • @blueski palooski (Comment 26) : I’m with you here. It was a bad loss, but I don’t think we need to write them off just yet. Still lots of rugby to play.

    Bulls have to go to Bloem and Kimberly still, for one thing.

  • Comment 28, posted at 06.09.10 12:49:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : cheetahs might just be the danger team again this season

  • Comment 29, posted at 06.09.10 12:51:27 by war1 Reply
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  • Was the loss against the Bulls really such a bad thing, or might it just be what the team needed?

  • Comment 30, posted at 06.09.10 13:14:07 by Farlington Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 29) : well look, whatever the case, we’ll need to win a semi and a final against strong opposition in order to clam the cup. It’s no use getting too worked up at this stage about who those opponents will be. We need to assume that it will be a strong side and that we’ll need to play out of our socks two weeks in a row to beat them. That’s fair enough if we’re going to win the trophy.

  • Comment 31, posted at 06.09.10 13:15:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • Oi, I am NOt a happy camper, but I do believe that this could be a much needed loss. I still think the team has what it takes!

  • Comment 32, posted at 06.09.10 13:19:32 by Ice Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 30) : it might well be

  • Comment 33, posted at 06.09.10 13:20:16 by war1 Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 30) : I’m keen to try find a silver lining if we can

  • Comment 34, posted at 06.09.10 13:21:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 30) : I still don’t believe all this about the team being complacent. The type of players currently at the Sharks are mostly Natal boys and we all know how important the black and white jersey is to all of us. So, in saying this, these guys give their all and who are we to say that they are complacent? The team has a tough fixture next up against the Pumas and from what we have forecast, it’s a 15 point game that will keep the boys on track come play-off time.

  • Comment 35, posted at 06.09.10 13:22:38 by blueski palooski Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : We still have some time to go until the play-offs. If there is a problem then we atleast have the time and we are in a rather good position on the log to rectify the problem.

    I trust that the coach and players will get things sorted out. And I believe that this is just the sort of wake-up call we needed.

  • Comment 36, posted at 06.09.10 14:22:33 by Farlington Reply

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  • if you ask me : plum always says what the fans want to hear but not always acts accordingly – so I will wait and see these complacent players being dropped.

  • Comment 37, posted at 06.09.10 14:26:45 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @zvision10 (Comment 6) : i don’t think everybody expected loss at Loftus. For this game Sharks were favourites by a long shot.

  • Comment 38, posted at 06.09.10 14:28:34 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 7) : i think you right. with Boks back they’re gonna be different team.

  • Comment 39, posted at 06.09.10 14:30:19 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 9) : agree. there was a lot of mistakes and knock-ons in particular, which in the first half was not punished because bulls scrum was in shambles but once they fixed that it was as simple as giving the ball to opposition.

    with 75% possession only 2 tries and 8 -11 points ahead not such a great stat.

  • Comment 40, posted at 06.09.10 14:33:11 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @rekinek (back to rugby) (Comment 39) : Have you seen any of the Bok games? ;-)

    Ok maybe that was un called for. :oops:

  • Comment 41, posted at 06.09.10 14:35:33 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Oubaas2009 (Comment 12) : don’t agree on Kocket. I think bringing him on was worth a gamble. The Sharks needed a sparkle and he did his bit butthe team did not come together. Instead of knocked on some more.

  • Comment 42, posted at 06.09.10 14:35:49 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 41) : :mrgreen:

    seriously : matfield had his moment on saturday. hougaard’s playing well, same with steenkamp. Steyn kicks like metronom and even with his deficiencies seem to be a better prospect than jlp.
    tehy got rid of habana to stormers :mrgreen: so I do think with Boks bulls will be better.

  • Comment 43, posted at 06.09.10 14:38:53 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @Stef (Comment 15) : lineout looked a bit shaky, though.

  • Comment 44, posted at 06.09.10 14:40:03 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 27) : don’t you think they had enough of those lessons already ;-)

  • Comment 45, posted at 06.09.10 14:42:55 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @rekinek (back to rugby) (Comment 42) : In less than 20 minutes, Rory made exactly ZERO tackles and conceded three turnovers.

    Hindsight is a 20-20 perfect science. It’s also a bitch if you didn’t make a positive contribution to the game.

  • Comment 46, posted at 06.09.10 15:06:21 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 46) : well said!

  • Comment 47, posted at 06.09.10 15:34:57 by blueski palooski Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 46) : I will maintain that it was worth a gamble. He added a bit of speed and unpredictability around the fringes. You can’t blame Plum for trying to change sth that obviously stopped working.

    The fact that Kockott made mistakes did not loose the game. It was lost firt 20 of the second half and the Sharks did not do enough to change it.

  • Comment 48, posted at 06.09.10 17:19:48 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @blueski palooski (Comment 47) : nice to see new faces.cool head ;-) welcome.

  • Comment 49, posted at 06.09.10 17:21:16 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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