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Cheetahs go to court for Mapoe


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Original Content, Sharks on 13 Sep 2010 at 11:15
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The Cheetahs, having resigned themselves to the fact that Lionel Mapoe does not want to play for them again, now look intent on destroying the player’s career instead, by seeking a High Court ruling that would prevent him for “offering his services to the Sharks in any capacity” until his contract expires in October 2011.

Mapoe, who left Bloemfontein for Durban prior to the Currie Cup season, was unhappy with his remuneration at the Cheetahs, whose “revised salary offer” of R20k a month was less than a fifth of the player’s market worth. The Cheetahs were found to have a binding contract with Mapoe, but the player has since refused to return to Bloemfontein, stating an irreparable breakdown in trust between himself and his employers. Who can blame the guy either? He’s a young man with a family to support and given how short a rugby career is – as well as how talented he is – what the Cheetahs are prepared to pay for his services is a bloody disgrace.

The Sharks duly offered the Cheetahs a transfer fee to soften the blow, which Harold Verster (the only main to stand a realistic hope of supplanting Manie Reynecke as the “biggest tool in SA Rugby”) dismissed out of hand. This, to me anyway, seemed reasonably petty, since Mapoe clearly has zero desire or inclination to pull on the white jersey again and despite all of Verster’s blustering, there’s not a huge amount they can do about it. The Cheetahs cannot FORCE Mapoe to play rugby for them and I think they know that. Instead, in the best tradition of petty power-mongers everywhere, Verster seems content to ensure that Mapoe shouldn’t be allowed to play rugby for anybody else either.

In the meantime, the ever-opportunistic Bulls, who first pointed out the fact that Mapoe was earning a pittance in Bloem, have apparently also weighed in with a transfer fee offer. Verster, in pursuing his little vendetta, has unfortunately for him ruled that option out as well, since he would have no leg to stand on if he were prepared to accept money from the Bulls, but not the Sharks. We all know that all he really wants out of this is shot of Mapoe, since the player clearly has no future with the Cheetahs. By overplaying his hand, though, the only result here will be a promising career ruined, while the CEO strokes his ego and boasts to his cronies over brandy about exactly how much of a big shot he is.

The case should go to court on 23 September. I guess we’ll have more to report at that stage.



122 Comments

  • Gosh, you are so biased, I forget every now and then. Almost everyone thinks the Sharks and Mapoe are in the wrong here.
    How did you feel about Bakkies not honouring his contract overseas?

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.09.10 11:22:12 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 1) : come on, Molls… don’t be naive :)

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.09.10 11:27:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • I recon Mapoe is in the wrong but I don’t understand why the Cheetah’s won’t just take the transfer fee and be done with it. Even if they force Mapoe to play for them again they can force him to play well.

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.09.10 11:28:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 1) : seriously, though, the Cheetahs should accept a transfer fee for the player, since he clearly has no desire to return and they are incapable of paying him what he’s worth.

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.09.10 11:28:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : seriously, if the Sharks could learn how to buy players legally Mapoe wouldn’t be in this position. And Mapoe needs to grow up and learn how to handle situations like a professional (and an adult).

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.09.10 11:30:31 by molly Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : I agree, but the way the whole thing was handled is shocking, Mapoe pitching for practice with a team he wasn’t legally allowed to be with, then going into hiding so that he doesn’t have to deal with it. Add to it, the immaturity from Skeate on twitter (wrt gymming with Lionel Ritchie), it just stinks all round.
    I don’t blame the Cheetah’s for being petty.

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.09.10 11:34:08 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 6) : Skeato is a bit of a loose cannon, but it’s not a secret that Mapoe is training with the Sharks. There are pics all over facebook

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.09.10 11:36:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 1) : don’t worry molly we can all see through it… It’s his website as he is wont to remind everyone, he can write what he likes. Mapoe is stupid, you sign a contract, negotiate for more money, if the Cheetahs can’t afford it, you bide your time, play hard to up your stock and move on at the end of your contract. Period!

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.09.10 11:43:00 by Megatron Reply

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  • I know rugby is a professional sport, but it’s still a sport.

    Why can’t everybody simply realise that acting in the best interests of rugby, not the unions or the players or the sponsors, is what matters.

    Stupid question, really. We all know that money rules and that it has resulted in everything else being bigger than the game.

    This reality sucks BIG TIME.

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.09.10 11:50:26 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Seems FS just don`t want to accept the fact that rugby is a professional sport now. Players will move there`s not a whole lot you can do about it.

    Having said that, I agree with Molly to a certain extent, Mapoe could`ve handled it better of if he didn`t have to the know how, someone from Sharks management should have had a quiet word with him and they could probably have handled the situation better. . .

    Can the Sharks not invoice FS for Mapoe`s medical bill just to put a little more pressure on them? LOL

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.09.10 11:52:27 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 6) :

    What did Skeate do/say?? :roll:

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.09.10 11:52:41 by wpw Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 6) : i have to agree with the fact that, if we put ourselfs in the same position, lets say Lambie started training with the Lions while having a contract with the sharks, i would not have been a happy chappy…

    but, i can also understand that, if you underpay for talented youngsters, then you should not be a cry-baby when they dont want to play for your union anymore… but all-in-all, not good business practice by the sharks (for dealing with contracted players) and by the cheetahs (for under-paying their brightest talents and moaning about their incapability to hold on to their best players).

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.09.10 11:53:05 by VanWilder Reply

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  • Megatron, feel free to piss of if you don’t like it here; I can assure you, you won’t be missed.

    Maybe Rob is biased, but people actively choose to engage with him and his views. You are merely tolerated.

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.09.10 12:01:09 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Mapoe is no angel, and the Sharks could have rather waited a bit, but FS also need to recognise that paying a young star R20,000/ month is bound to lead to disaster. Pay someone what they are worth, or let them go. I’m not in my job out of loyalty and the gleam in my boss’ eye.

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.09.10 12:05:00 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Notwithstanding the pettiness of the whole situation, there is still a small matter of a legal binding contract, and its about time players face the music when they go about just doing what they want with no fear of consequence.

    As someone mentioned, this sport is professional so btw, and unions like any business budget and project according to assets they have and cannot just have players run off and do as they please…

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.09.10 12:05:56 by Morné Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 14) :

    How come Mapoe signed a contract (with this offer from the Cheetahs) in the first place then?

    Who determines a player’s value?

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.09.10 12:07:11 by Morné Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 13) : not so fast Big Guppie! You don’t own the site and can’t tell me sh*t! :D ‘tolerated’ pfft who do you think you are? Ffs

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.09.10 12:07:12 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Yeah, of course, don’t be silly here, this is the sharks we are talking about, they are always right.

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.09.10 12:07:43 by Greg Reply

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  • And it`s on! :grin:

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.09.10 12:10:00 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 14) : Everyone seems to be bandying about this R20k figure. Where does this come from? Just wondering, because I have heard a rather different story.

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.09.10 12:11:07 by Greg Reply

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  • While I disagree with allowing Mapoe to train with the Sharks, Vester should have accepted the transfer fee. Where I work we offer bursaries which we have to work back if we whant to leave bfore the contract is over we just have to pay back what is still owing on the contract. Furthermore Molly and Megatron while 2 wrongs do not make a right The Sharks are not alone in these Shananigans reflect a bit how WP got Mujati and Jacques Fourie from Lions and the Lions get Joubert(?) from Cheetahs while raving at the Sharks using same tactics on them!

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.09.10 12:11:07 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 18) : You guys gonna do us all a huge favour and get a result in the Kraal this weekend Mufasa er … Greg? :?: :twisted:

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.09.10 12:12:31 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 16) : pissant, mapoe was a junior player @ freestate and had a jr contract, due to injuries to nokwe and the likes he got a chance to run in the currie cup, he did very well and his name was up in lights (see elton jantjies). S14 came and the cheetahs played their rising star whose agent had started getting itchy feet and shopping him to the bulls who valued mapoe 1.4 million a yr but didn’t touch him cos he had a contract with the cheetahs!

    Apparently the cheetahs were paying their rising u21 star R29 500 pm which is again apparently the lowest salary for a S14 player. I blame Mapoe’s agent for this whole mess. If naka hadn’t taken a gamble and backed this kid to perform for currie cup then he wouldn’t be the hot commodity that he thinks he is. A little patience on his part would’ve worked wonders for him, playing for a year at the
    Cheetahs would not have hurt his lifetime income!

    He only played 3 or 4 games of S14 this year & got crocked.

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.09.10 12:18:11 by Megatron Reply

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  • While I agree that the Sharks aren’t saints in this particular situation, everyone seem to be forgetting that the Bulls also offered to pay a transfer fee for Mapoe?

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.09.10 12:19:42 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 21) : did you hear rudi straeuli moaning this year that Ulster were breaching IRB rules by talking to Ruan who was still under contract with the Sharks, yet straueli himself was ‘poaching’ the ebersohn brothers BEFORE the window period allowed by the IRB. The hypocrisy!

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.09.10 12:22:19 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 21) : Look, I wasn’t happy with that either. The big difference here is the Sharks lost their case, the contract was deemed legal and binding. As opposed to Fourie/Mujati/Ludick/Alberts.

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.09.10 12:23:59 by molly Reply
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  • On a completely unrelated note, how do we get the message across to Supersport that Chester Williams is completely incapable of being a commentator, I can not believe that he’s had at least 3 chances and failed at them miserably. I don’t see (read:hear) any potential from him and it is PAINFUL listening to him.

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.09.10 12:31:12 by molly Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 22) : We certainly going to give it our best shot. Are you going to return the favour by denying the cheetahs any log points?

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.09.10 12:32:57 by Greg Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 11) : posted on his twitter saying he was training with Mapoe in the gym.

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.09.10 12:35:12 by pinkfish Reply
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  • I can understand why they’re miffed that he doesn’t want to come back. But the player clearly doesn’t want to play for them, so accept the transfer fee and let him go.

    Hell, even if the Bulls take him just let the poor guy get back to doing what he does best.

    At the end of the day, the only person suffering in this whole scenario is Lionel Mapoe. He’s probably not being paid by the Sharks yet, the Cheetahs aren’t paying him his tip and want to prevent him from earning a living doing what he does best.

    Find him guilty of a breach of contract, fine him a percentage of what he would have earned under the contract and let him get back on the field. He’d probably be able to settle the fine with his first Sharks/Bulls pay.

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.09.10 12:38:55 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • Megatron, I didn’t expect you to like or listen to what I said. And I’m not going to bother on expanding on the irony and lack of class of whining about a person whose platform you are using to let your bleatings be heard. I have said my piece on this and that is enough.

    Morne, we have a situation where a youngster signs a contract in the naïve hope that he will be progressed by his club based on performance. This doesn’t happen and he is unhappy. What happens then? He wants to leave.

    Now tell me why you or anybody else is different? Does your company stop you leaving if you find a better job? Why not? Why don’t you stay in the same job until a given period of time is up.

    Unions are entitled to exorbitant transfer fees, but not indentured labour. Nobody should be forced to work for anyone, or prohibited from working elsewhere. From a legal perspective, I hope the court takes the chance to set a legal precedent.

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.09.10 12:42:39 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 25) : I did hear oom Rudi complaining, however you have noticed that Ruan was allowed to leave early, as too Muller and Carstens were allowed to leave without fuss from The Sharks. @molly (Comment 26) : Molly I am not for a minute agreeing with the way The Sharks have handled this matter at all! I dont like it at all. But I also disagree with the FS, you cannot force performance rather ask/accept transfer fee – everyone wins – Mapoe get to leave Bloem; Sharks get Mapoe and FS get money which will enable them to retain other players.

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.09.10 12:47:15 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Oh my. I’ll check in tommorrow, too much testosterone for a Monday in my opinion. Just a quicky though: Megatron –> where are you from and who do you support?

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.09.10 12:49:00 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 31) : But I’ve signed my contract knowing that I need to give 1 calendar month’s worth of notice, I’m not going to just leave my current job without any notice, work somewhere else, lose a court case saying I have to go back to my previous job, ignore it and carry on with my new job, am I?

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.09.10 12:54:28 by molly Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 28) : urm might get shot for saying this but I think you have a better chance against the bulls this weekend than we do against the cheetahs . . . :shock:

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.09.10 12:55:00 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 33) : i’m from the Eastern Cape and i support the EP Kings.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.09.10 12:56:15 by Megatron Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 34) : And having said that, would my new comapny trust me knowing that I’ve got no problem leaving contracts willy nilly? And burning bridges? Thats not a great way to work.

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.09.10 12:56:52 by molly Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 31) : “indentured labour”… you saying Lionel has false teeth?

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.09.10 12:58:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 36) : you must be pleased with your new flyhalf, then…

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.09.10 13:00:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 32) : I’m sure they could’ve made the agreement. I’m just saying I understand why the cheetah’s are being petty. The Sharks poached their player illegally, with no intention of paying a transfer cost, this attempt now comes a little too late, and if I were them, I’d also look to another union (anywhere but the union that tried to screw you over). Lets see if Mapoe is looking for the money, or if its about the rugby, if the Bulls do get him I’d have a lovely laugh.

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.09.10 13:00:49 by molly Reply
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  • Seems like FS wants to make an example out of Mapoe. I guess with the way certain tranfers have been handled of late, it does not surprise me that a union would follow this route. Sadly Mapoe caused alot of problems for himself and the Sharks could have and should have followed the Bulls example by backing off

    As for the way Verster is handeling the whole issue can be debated until the cows come home. Personally I’m in two minds on whether he is right or wrong. Maybe it is because I try and think about it logically and with my heart. Sadly this whole debacle will only end in tears.

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.09.10 13:01:13 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 31) : yeah wind your neck in boy, i have no time for you either! You’re the one who thought he/she could tell me to ‘piss off’ & getaway with it.

    @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 32) : my point is, it is the Sharks prerogative to let those players go. Someone need to get Verster’s version on the matter verbatim and not robdylan’s clearly subjective view! :D

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.09.10 13:02:17 by Megatron Reply

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  • It seems to me there are four versions of the story here. Mapoe’s, The Cheetah’s, The Sharks and the truth. I for one am waiting to here the real story before I make a decision.

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.09.10 13:07:16 by Grey Shark Reply

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  • Situations like this happen in soccer often. By that I mean a player ‘hates’ the club he is with a does not want to stay there due to issues with the coach/money/ or even just being homesick etc.

    Only a really stupid CEO (which we know Verster is) would then try and force the guy to stay. More canny CEO’s are inclined to offer the player to the open market. Take a transfer fee and get in someone who does want to wear the jersey.

    It doesn’t take rocket science to figure out the best way forward. This should have been taken care of before Mapoe even got to the point of trying to find holes in his contract.

    Dumb business decision by an ignoramus trying to show off the size of his balls. Bad Harold.

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.09.10 13:07:22 by Oubaas2009 Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 32) : this is almost the same situation with masherano wanting to go to barca from liverpool.Masch refused eventually to play for pool only once he knew agreement was made,but was kept on until such agreement was made.In hindsight mabye mapoe should not have trained with sharks until all was sealed ,he could have after all refused to play for fstate,and forced them to sell him.hope im making a little sence?

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.09.10 13:07:55 by ruggabugga Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 36) : No wonder you are such a grump-a-lump! Eastern Cape, the Kings and Monty. :cool: You are excused.

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.09.10 13:10:14 by blueski palooski Reply

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  • @blueski palooski (Comment 46) : that’s not funny! Dumond is a PRODUCT of the famed Sharks academy! Says a lot bout you guys!

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.09.10 13:14:56 by Megatron Reply

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  • @blueski palooski (Comment 46) : Meg are you really a kinks fan?cant be true(sorry kings)it takes a lot to admit that,big up to you ,i hope many more come out of the clost too!!

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.09.10 13:16:32 by ruggabugga Reply

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  • @ruggabugga (Comment 45) : agree with you Sharks should never have got involved! But honestly to force Mapoe to return to the Cheetahs is taking a chance would Drotske be able to trust Mapoe on the field knowing the guy seriously does not whant to be there

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.09.10 13:18:23 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 49) : I don’t know if I buy into this, surely his aspirations are to be a Bok, and everyone seems to think its just a matter of time, so his heart should be in it if only for that.
    And on the basis of most of this, the only reason he doesn’t want to be there is due to money, its not the coach, gameplan or players thats the problem.

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.09.10 13:27:05 by molly Reply
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  • @Grey Shark (Comment 43) : there are five versions… you forgot about mine :)

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.09.10 13:32:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 47) : bollocks. No he isn’t. Dumond never went to the Academy.

    Get your facts straight.

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.09.10 13:33:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • Molly: do you know how long the notice period on Mapoe’s contract is?

    This is not a black and white issue where either side is completely right or wrong. One thing that is wrong, and will continually lead to players leaving in weird ways is the lack of a normal transfer fee arrangement.

    Its no use burying our heads in the sand and pretending that players chasing bigger pay-cheques is not gonna happen.

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.09.10 13:33:58 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @blueski palooski (Comment 46) :

    Technically speaking , he is not supporting any TEAM at thi moment then…has a lot to say about other teams and dont even have a proper team himself…fancy that? :lol:

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.09.10 13:36:39 by Ice Reply
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  • Harold Verster is a dick.

    He needs to stop being a Harold Verster.

    The Cheetahs are now windgat because they beat the heavily below par Blue bulls.

    Wankers.

    They are trying to play psychological games before we moer them this weekend.

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.09.10 13:39:19 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • i don’t blame the cheetahs 1 bit for doing what they are doing, what i would do is enforce the court order then bench him for the remainder of the competition no VC, CC, S15 nothing… see how many lucrative contracts come your way then. It’s not nice but sometimes you’ve got to shoot a hostage so that the others get the point. Players need to learn to respect the contracts that they sign we can’t carry on the way we are (fourie, alberts, ludik, mapoe, bakkies, etc.) but the unions need to start accepting some responsability and showing some integrity by not trying to poach players that are still under contract. Appraach the union first if they say fine then go ahead but if they say no then respect that and move on…

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.09.10 13:44:31 by Zebra Reply

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  • @KSA Pink Shark © (Comment 55) :

    So bek moet jam kry! :lol:

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.09.10 13:47:22 by Pink Ice Reply
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  • @KSA Pink Shark © (Comment 55) : Dawie?

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.09.10 13:52:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Zebra (Comment 56) : you a Lions supporter, by any chance?

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.09.10 13:52:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Pink Shark © (Comment 55) : well they did something we couldn`t ( beat the bulls I mean ) . . . seems they have the pshycological edge over us at the moment.
    According to reports in the papers yesterday they see this coming saturday as an opportunity to teach the Sharks a lesson . . . :|

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.09.10 13:52:51 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Zebra (Comment 56) :

    Oh Yes? (restrained myself from saying “bull shit”)

    So the player must happily suffer along with a salary of 200k p.a. just because his union has the financial savvy of a 7year old, when he could be earning 6 times that at another union?

    The Cheetahs are being a bunch of Harold Versters. They have been offered a transfer fee for mapoe but being the bunch of Versters that they are have declined it.

    Same like the Lions, they would rather be stubborn Versterheads losing themselves even more money through legal fees rather than take the transfer fee and invest it.

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.09.10 13:53:39 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 58) :

    Rob – how is the user stats/ Up to date? Not time for me to earn a quick bonus?? :grin: ;-)

  • Comment 62, posted at 13.09.10 13:54:13 by Pink Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 58) :

    I didn’t say KAK MAN! i didn’t use F&K JULLE etc, so the answer is no. :razz:

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.09.10 13:55:01 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : are these facts good enough?!!! :D


    I went to Italy in 2004 where I played for
    Parma,(after having played 3 years for the
    Sharks at under 21 level) in 2005 I moved
    to France, to Aurillac where I played for only
    one season. In 2006 I moved to Paris,
    where I signed for Racing Metro. In 2007 I
    came back for the Sharks in the Currie cup.
    After that I left after that to join my new
    club Oyonnax in France for 6 months.came
    before back to the Sharks for the 2008
    Currie cup, and have stayed here until now
    for the Super 14 this year and now the
    Currie Cup again.”

  • Comment 64, posted at 13.09.10 13:55:03 by Megatron Reply

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  • @ruggabugga (Comment 48) : yeah man! I was there on Friday when they beat Boland! Monty scored 13 of the 26 pts the Kings scored.

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.09.10 13:56:34 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 60) :

    Do you believe everything you read in the papers….? :roll:

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.09.10 13:57:05 by Pink Ice Reply
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  • Thanks for the honesty Zebra: that shooting hostages analogy kind of summed up my take on this.

    The only difference is that I don’t support shooting hostages.

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.09.10 13:57:51 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 54) : are you mad? I just said i support the EP Kings, criticise them if you care, but we’re ‘on the rise’ :D

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.09.10 13:58:45 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 64) :

    Where does it mention anything about the Sharks Academy…or did I miss that part of info….?? :roll:

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.09.10 14:01:07 by Pink Ice Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 64) : The Sharks Academy didn’t exist in 2003. It was started in 2005

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.09.10 14:02:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Pink Shark © (Comment 61) : What transfer money did the Lions turn down?

  • Comment 71, posted at 13.09.10 14:02:44 by Greg Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 67) : I wonder if Zebra knows Stan… they seem to share the same philosophy. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 72, posted at 13.09.10 14:03:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pink Ice (Comment 66) : No but it`s hard to argue when you look at the results over the weekend. :roll:

  • Comment 73, posted at 13.09.10 14:05:08 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 67) : If that hostage is a bull or bulls supporter I`ll pull the trigger myself . . . :mrgreen:

  • Comment 74, posted at 13.09.10 14:06:29 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @KSA Pink Shark © (Comment 61) : 200k pa? works out to 50k per game, not bad money :lol:

  • Comment 75, posted at 13.09.10 14:07:23 by Greg Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 68) : Um, You do know that a player doesn’t have to be in the Academy to play for the Sharks, don’t you? :???:

  • Comment 76, posted at 13.09.10 14:08:40 by blueski palooski Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 72) : Which philosophy is that? The one where you respect the rules, and honour contractual obligations? What a stupid philosophy :mrgreen:

  • Comment 77, posted at 13.09.10 14:11:30 by Greg Reply

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  • @blueski palooski (Comment 76) : I would make zero assumptions about knowledge on Megatron’s part. He doesn’t often research before he stirs.

  • Comment 78, posted at 13.09.10 14:12:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 71) :

    In their case they didn’t turn down Tx Money, but they KNEW their contracts were not valid but stubbornly continued to try and take the matter further and further costing themselves more and more money.

    They (lions and Cheetahs) remind me of the SAP in my clubbing days. If you EVER met a girl and her ex boyfriend was a cop then you made sure you didn’t make a move on her cos their attitude is/was if i can’t have her nobody will. Similar sttitude to the lions and Cheetahs

  • Comment 79, posted at 13.09.10 14:13:30 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 77) : no – the one where you shoot people who don’t agree with you :mrgreen:

  • Comment 80, posted at 13.09.10 14:15:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 73) :

    Stront man! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 81, posted at 13.09.10 14:18:02 by Pink Ice Reply
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  • @Pink Ice (Comment 62) : you are so close… only 1600 points to go :)

    Maybe I should increase the points for articles and comments…?

  • Comment 82, posted at 13.09.10 14:21:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’m with zebra and Megatron on this one… kind of :smile:

    A contract is a contract… the only one at fault here is Mapoe (and his agent) for signing a contract that didn’t have a salary review clause in it for when he moved up to S14. The Cheetahs didn’t put a gun to his head to force him to sign for that salary, I assume? … so they made the offer, and it was his to accept or not.

    I agree they’re being extremely childish now, and the whole thing is getting nasty… but I’d probably do something similar to show the little wipper-snapper that there’s a right way and a wrong way to do things in life. People should be held accountable for the commitments they make in life, all too often in this country it seems people don’t want to be held accountable for their actions, preferring instead to play the victim… if there’s a loop-hole in the contract by all means exploit it, that’s part of the game… but if it’s water-tight, sorry for you!

  • Comment 83, posted at 13.09.10 14:22:25 by CS Reply

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  • Other news, it seems Earl Rose might join the Leopards on some loan agreement thing. If it`s true . .. poor Leopards!

  • Comment 84, posted at 13.09.10 14:24:09 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Fish I am not going to find your original comment but here is my response.

    The case is not as black and white as you make it to be.

    From evidence available the whole issue started with Mapoe not honoring his current contractual obligations which made him therefore, in breach of contract.

    If you have issues with your employment, surely the course is to discuss or sort this out with your employers first, before you go out and commit to a different or other contract?

    Mapoe and his agent was in contravention of this and in essence, in breach of contract.

    Also, a rugby contract cannot be argued in this instance to a normal employment contract. You are basically making yourself available as a contractor to a union for X amount of time. You owe them that time as per your contract agreement.

    A rugby contract also only makes provision for players and agents to negotiate and look for further employment in specific allocated window periods, to safegaurd unions ensuring they will have players available for a GUARANTEED time bar injury.

    Unions plan budgets in accordance to available player resources, where the need to supplement areas where they lack skills and not in areas they do not.

    If a player, after budgets and projections are done and approved, suddenly makes himself unavailable to that union for reasons other than injury, it can put the union in a lot of trouble with no time to rectify any shortcomings because of this.

    From where I sit the Cheetahs are not contesting the merits of the case, accepting an acceptable fee for the player, they are contesting the principle of the matter where a player should not be allowed to do this.

    And to that I agree with them.

    We start allowing this to happen willy nilly then we might as well not bother releasing squads in the first place and all just play as in one colour jersey.

    I am hardly one to fight the fight for unions, but players can’t all just have it their way either.

  • Comment 85, posted at 13.09.10 14:25:22 by Morné Reply
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  • @Pink Ice (Comment 81) : You`re right! What was I thinking Cheetahs looked ripe for the picking :roll:

  • Comment 86, posted at 13.09.10 14:25:25 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Pink Ice (Comment 69) : @robdylan (Comment 82) : for all intents & purposes, Monty Dumond is a product of the Natal Sharks, whether it is its u21 set-up or academy, he came through the structures of the Natal Sharks…that is my point. You can be pedantic if you want to but he is YOUR product.

  • Comment 87, posted at 13.09.10 14:29:33 by Megatron Reply

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  • @KSA Pink Shark © (Comment 79) : Actually you have it slightly wrong there. They didn’t know the contract was not valid. They (naively) believed that the good faith clause, put there at the request of the players and agents, would be upheld as being valid. This clause stipulated that future remuneration would be negotiated later, not stipulated at contract signing time.

    Now you have a situation where Mapoe has a contract that stipulated a remuneration for the full period of his contract. However, the cheetahs looked at this , and twice increased that remuneration during the contract period, some thing they were not obliged to do. They also offered to re-negotiate a new contract, before the old one expired, at R750K pa, and this is still not good enough? They are still in the wrong?

    Seems to me like Mapoe’s contract closed the exact loophole exposed in the Fourie/Alberts/Ludik saga, but they are the ones at fault.

  • Comment 88, posted at 13.09.10 14:33:07 by Greg Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 87) : that bike of yours got any more reverse gears?

  • Comment 89, posted at 13.09.10 14:34:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 88) : damned if you do, damned if you don’t…

    RUDI’S COMIN TO GETCHA!!!
    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 90, posted at 13.09.10 14:35:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 87) :

    Hey – YOU are the one that said he was a product of the academy…moet nu nie bedonnerd raak as jy nie die antwoord ken nie..just proved to you he was not…

    Then you shoudl have re-prhrased your comment… :roll: :lol:

    @Original Pierre (Comment 86) :

    Dont roll your eyes at me…of course they do! :lol:

  • Comment 91, posted at 13.09.10 14:35:47 by Pink Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 80) : Ah, that one, I still like it :lol:

  • Comment 92, posted at 13.09.10 14:38:07 by Greg Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) :

    Sound like a plan that I will like! :grin:

  • Comment 93, posted at 13.09.10 14:39:50 by Pink Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 90) : Or having you cake and eating it too, depends which side of the fence you are

    (or in this case, depends which side of van reenens pass you are) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 94, posted at 13.09.10 14:42:17 by Greg Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 85) : there you go Morne…

  • Comment 95, posted at 13.09.10 14:44:06 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) & @Pink Ice (Comment 91) : ugh, you guys. The point he’s making is that he’s one of your youngsters and a Sharks product… stop being pedantic.

  • Comment 96, posted at 13.09.10 14:49:25 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 96) :

    Why? ;-) :lol:

  • Comment 97, posted at 13.09.10 14:50:49 by Pink Ice Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 96) : Monty is NOT a youngster and is NOT a product of the Sharks Academy. He played for the Sharks under 21s at a time when there was ZERO emphasis on any youth development. Surely you can see the difference?

  • Comment 98, posted at 13.09.10 14:56:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 84) :

    Where is he at the moment.

  • Comment 99, posted at 13.09.10 14:59:29 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • Why does the Cheaters not dismissed Mapoe on incapacity :lol:

  • Comment 100, posted at 13.09.10 15:01:41 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 98) : Monty is a Sharks man through & through, you can try and palm him off now that he is widely considered [email protected]…but he is one of yours! Hahaha :D next thing we’ll be told that Butch James is not a Sharks product because he wasn’t in the Sharks Academy :roll:

  • Comment 101, posted at 13.09.10 15:04:31 by Megatron Reply

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  • @KSA Pink Shark © (Comment 99) : playing club rugby for Pirates or Raiders or Diggers or whatever

  • Comment 102, posted at 13.09.10 15:05:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 101) : you were the one who started off pointing fingers at the Sharks Academy. Not my fault if you can’t stick to the context of your own argument.

  • Comment 103, posted at 13.09.10 15:08:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 64) :

    @Megatron (Comment 101) :

    I would hardly cal THAT resume a Sharks man. i’d rather call it a mercenary who returns home every year to play in the smaller competition to keep earning money.

  • Comment 104, posted at 13.09.10 15:13:26 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Pink Shark © (Comment 104) : eina :) But fair comment!

  • Comment 105, posted at 13.09.10 15:16:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • bad play from the cheetahs!!

    in the world of football here in the UK, there are always a few players who sign new 4 year contracts and 1 year later depart off to another club. it has taken rugby some time to follow in the footsteps of football in terms of foreign player signings and all that other whooohaa that goes with it. if a player does not want to play for the club he has singed with and has made that fact knwon then it would be in the clubs best interest to let him go.

    what kind of message are the cheetahs sending to potential new players? Sign up with us and if you want to leave then we destroy your career?

    contract or no contract, if a player wants to go then let him go, provided the other club has paid a transfer fee and the fee to get the player out of contract, then circus acts like this can be avoided!

    rugby is moving in forward in terms of professionalism, and so should the clubs!! a contract is a contract and in every cotract, there should be a buy out clause which is excluding the actual transfer fee!!

    PS: i might have reitterated a few things!! sorry :mrgreen:

  • Comment 106, posted at 13.09.10 15:16:53 by richzed Reply

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  • @KSA Pink Shark © (Comment 104) : the guy played 3 years for the sharks u21 left 4 2years and came back to the sharks…the funny thing is there was a pic of Monty in the EP Herald sports page last week and he had on a blue Kings training jumper and black trunks – get this – with the sharks emblem on the corner! Hahahaha…Monty is on loan to us but will return to the Sharks

  • Comment 107, posted at 13.09.10 15:23:10 by Megatron Reply

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  • @richzed (Comment 106) : well said

  • Comment 108, posted at 13.09.10 15:27:21 by Pink Ice Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 107) : that cos the Kings are too cheap to supply training shorts.

  • Comment 109, posted at 13.09.10 15:35:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @richzed (Comment 106) : rich, Mapoe should’ve negotiated for his release with the cheetahs and if they disagree, then he should’ve served his contract obligations and then be off. There was no reason for him to abscond to the Shark – i know robinho didn’t like it at Citeh but he trained with them, would’ve played if AC Milan didn’t come through with an offer or would’ve opted to go back to Santos in Brazil…but he never negotiated with them while training with the Rossoneri @ San siro

  • Comment 110, posted at 13.09.10 15:44:01 by Megatron Reply

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  • This is easy! :smile: You want to put up a new roof and pay Mr. Roof R29-50 per hour. But your neighbour one afternoon chats to Mr. Roof and says: “I want a new roof before the rainy season starts (which is in a months time-give or take a few days), and I will pay you R140-00 per hour.”
    Next morning, on your way to work, you see Mr. Roof busy on the roof at the neighbours house, while yours is letting in sunlight a-la-skylight.
    NOW. What are you as consumer going to do. Yes, you’ve guessed it. You have a contract with Mr. Roof. So you walk over, get Mr. Roof by the collar and chuck him onto your roof.
    “No sniffles and no fuss Mr. Roof. I know you can get more from Gawie my neighbour, but you took THIS job.”
    As Jacki Selebi said; “Finish and klaar.”

  • Comment 111, posted at 13.09.10 16:23:05 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 111) : are you sure you’re a Sharks supporter? ;) where’s the part about Mr Roof’s career span being a short one and the risks involved working on top of scaffolding?

  • Comment 112, posted at 13.09.10 16:32:38 by Megatron Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 111) : and then Mr Roof repudiates your contract because with R 140 00.00 he suddenly can afford a lawyer :lol:

  • Comment 113, posted at 13.09.10 17:17:41 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 110) : either way, he did mapoe did make his itentions clear that he was not happy with the his contract and the salary he was going to get. with him leaving the cheetahs camp, is a good sign that he aint wanting to play for them anymore. yes it was a bit naughty of the sharks to allow him to train with them, but we all do the wrong things from time to time. cheetahs just making a mountain out of a molehill!

    the same scenario can be related to c. ronaldo moving from manyoo to real madrid, after just signing a new 4 year contract the year before he acutally moved.

    that is why i believe if a union think that a player is well worth the money, they should have a buy out clause in the contract! if every contract had that then it would make the transfer of players more smoother and there would be no nonesense of unions dragging other unions thru the mud etc etc!

  • Comment 114, posted at 13.09.10 17:18:16 by richzed Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 111) : plus your average rugby player is more of an employee than an independent contractor like Mr Roof and forcing somebody to work for you is called slavery ;-)

  • Comment 115, posted at 13.09.10 17:22:49 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • @richzed (Comment 114) : well, rugby union is only now flirting with professionalism…why SARPA is quiet on this mapoe issue i don’t know. Fergie didn’t want to sell CR7 but the player’s ego and off the field antics broke fergie’s back…plus madrid parted with more dosh the next year…

    The sharks are just lousy opportunists that’s all. Verster is on record that he told Van Zyl that Mapoe’s contract was rock solid and that what the Sharks were doing was futile! But all of that openness fell on deaf ears!

  • Comment 116, posted at 13.09.10 17:29:40 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 116) : fergie was standing solid on not selling CR7. it was more like CR7 wanting to go to real madrid and, fergie, being the boss that he is, decided to let him go as he knew it would not be good for team moral! the same should be applied to cheetahs realsing mapoe, even if it does mean that the sharks have to buy him out of his contract and still pay a transfer fee on top of that too.

    SARPA should step into this whole situation as they would have a better understanding of what is going on. giving it to some judge to decide is totally helping the unhelpful! all he is going to rule is that mapoe should play for the cheetahs but we all know that mapoe does not want to play for them! the saying goes, you can take a horse to the water troth but you cant make him drink applies here in this case! stick mapoe in the cheetahs training squad and his unhappiness could affect the other players!!

  • Comment 117, posted at 13.09.10 17:42:50 by richzed Reply

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  • @richzed (Comment 117) : i disagree with you on SARPA. They are players association so their duty is towards the players and not really providing the mediation.

    I doubt that the court will force Mapoe to play for Cheetahs though remembering Bakkies case it is a possibility. Even if Mapoe is in breach and Cheetahs are innocent it is more likely that some sort of damages is awarded, but then again how will they calculate is a whole different story.

  • Comment 118, posted at 13.09.10 17:54:52 by rekinek (back to rugby) Reply
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  • Rekinek, I agree with you.

    Damages at most: forcing him to play helps nobody.

    Are you a lawyer by any chance?

  • Comment 119, posted at 13.09.10 18:19:23 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 65) : i truely believe it would be good for sa rugby to have a great ep team again,i remember plenty great boks from that area my personal fav domkrag!!

  • Comment 120, posted at 13.09.10 20:16:48 by ruggabugga Reply

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  • Simple…you signed a contract and you need to honor it…
    You agree on the price and terms (which include duration)…I am sure that the Cheetahs management team do not hold guns to the players heads to sign…
    If Mapoe had a barely decent manager…the manager would have negotiated some form of escalating salary scale that is linked to form/ worth (for a contract of that length)…

    So Mapoe needs to have beef with his manager and start by firing there…

    Decent players worth millions and mentioning like J Fourie stuck it out with the Lions until his contract expired…

    Even other players like Andre Pretorius/ Mayer Bosman/ Habana/ etc honored their contracts…Habana’s manager was more clever and negotiated a shorter term for Habana as a youngster at the Lions…just long enough to make a name and get himself noticed before he moved…

    If Mapoe continues to make these dumb decisions…he will not have a career ad it will only be his fault…in a mans worls tantrums get you nowhere…so man up Mapoe…

  • Comment 121, posted at 13.09.10 23:22:55 by Hmmm Reply

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  • And Sharks management…

    Come on Sharks management…you are creating a brand that smells of dishonor…no Shark can honestly tell himself there is honor in being a Shark with this going around…and do we really have to do a count on how many times this has happened where the Sharks were involved and the instigator!??!

    Other teams make proposals…and if the contracted team turns it down…they all move on from there…why do the Sharks lack this simple basic ethic…honoring commitments…

  • Comment 122, posted at 13.09.10 23:41:06 by Hmmm Reply

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