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Snapping, snarling over Mapoe


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Currie Cup, In the news, Sharks on 19 Sep 2010 at 17:34
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The tug-of-war for the services of Lionel Mapoe between the Cheetahs and the Sharks will now be contested in the Bloemfontein High Court

Simnikiwe Xabanisa writes for the Sunday Times that the Cheetahs have subpoenaed both Mapoe and the Sharks to appear in court on Thursday in a bid to force the player to comply with arbitrator Bertus van Rhyn’s ruling that his contract with the Bloemfontein-based team is binding.

Mapoe, who moved to Durban after the Sharks started the wrangle by offering him a much-improved contract, has defied the order by continuing to live and train in the city.

Cheetahs boss Harold Verster said the court interdict was aimed at getting the Sharks to “get their hands off the man”, and getting the winger back to the Cheetahs.

“We successfully defended our contract in the arbitration and he was told to come back, but he refused,” said Verster. “Lionel said under oath that if the arbitrator told him to come back to us he would. Now I see he’s changed his mind.

“The Sharks must get their hands off him and stop paying him to stay in Durban.”

Sharks chief executive Brian van Zyl said they were going to defend the high court action, their defence being that the matter is a labour dispute between Mapoe and the Cheetahs.

“Lionel is citing irreconcilable differences with his employers and exploitation over a three-year contract which was not properly explained to him and his father, who is a carpenter,” said Van Zyl.

Verster bristled at this, saying “all that stuff was dismissed as nonsense at the arbitration, it was kicked into touch. He was paid correctly in terms of his contract”.

According to his contract, Mapoe, who is 22, was getting paid R10000 a month at the Cheetahs, having started on R6000 and graduated to R8000.

Verster, who let slip that he believed the Sharks were now paying Mapoe a salary of R100 000 a month, was adamant that “there is no discrimination story here”.

“We increased his salary even before he complained. He is the highest-paid under-21 in our province. We haven’t got the money of the Sharks and the Bulls, but it’s a lot of money by our standards.”

The irony is that when the sheriff of the court served papers on the Sharks, they were talking to the Cheetahs about whether they were prepared to accept a transfer fee for Mapoe.

Verster said a transfer was possible – but only if the Sharks were prepared to pay a huge sum: “The way they have treated this whole issue has left us reluctant to negotiate .

“They must come up with a huge figure. They must tell us how much he’s worth to them because we have to replace him. Getting a player of that calibre will easily cost us R1.5 million.”

Asked if that was how much the Cheetahs wanted for Mapoe, Verster said: “No, we want even more than that.”

The Sharks are said to be prepared to pay about R800 000.

Mapoe’s agent, Jan-Harm van Wyk, said he was not prepared to comment on behalf of the player until the issue was resolved.



50 Comments

  • So they reckon he’s worth R120k a year in salary, but won’t accept an 800k transfer fee? These okes are on drugs.

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.09.10 17:39:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Bwhahahahahahahaha

    They must be even more upset this morning after having been thumped last night.

    Bwhahahahahahahhaha
    Kry vir julle boere!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.09.10 17:42:02 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • They must tell us how much he’s worth to them because we have to replace him. Getting a player of that calibre will easily cost us R1.5 million

    So then howcome you won’t pay HIM that sort of money but are prepared to pay that to replace him?

    HAROLD VERSTER!!!!!!!

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.09.10 17:42:11 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) :

    Harold versters :evil:

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.09.10 17:43:17 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • This is just childish from the Cheetahs, accept the transfer fee and let the man go. Things would work out better for unions like the Cheetahs and Lions if they treated their players properly in the first place.

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.09.10 17:49:01 by war1 Reply
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  • Devil’s advocate: if the Sharks DO manage to net Mapoe, might that have an effect on Pietersen’s decision to stay or go?

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.09.10 18:01:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) :

    No I don’t think so. We need more than 2 wings.

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.09.10 18:07:37 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • He is the highest-paid under-21 in our province.

    Does he play for the u/21s or for the Senior side?

    HAROLD VERSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.09.10 18:13:04 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Pink Shark © (Comment 8) : he is 22! that is the funniest thing!

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.09.10 18:16:38 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 9) :

    Bwhahahhaha. I didn’t even pick up on that bit. :lol:

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.09.10 18:17:39 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • Ja, but to be honest, JP has been given the luxury of playing through bad form simply cos there was no pressure for his jersey. That won’t be the case anymore

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.09.10 18:21:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 9) :

    Not that I didn’t trust you but.

    Full Name Lionel Granton
    Surname Mapoe
    Height 182
    Weight 87
    Birth Date 13 July 1988
    Birth City Port Elizabeth

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.09.10 18:25:38 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) :

    But he is on a pretty good upward curve with his form so he shouldn’t have any concerns.

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.09.10 18:27:05 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : my philosophy with these type of things is always “wait and see what happens” which is the approach I’m going to adopt with this, I would not like to see JPP go. But if he does, there is nothing we can do.

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.09.10 18:28:38 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 14) : well, ja…. but what if we could somehow influence matters?

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.09.10 19:21:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ole Harold talks so much of kak here I don’t know where to begin… Their highest paid U21 player is in fact 22, they believe he is worth over R1.5MM but believe paying him R120k is in fact fair and generous… But of course they are the victims here. :roll:

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.09.10 19:39:15 by Big Fish Reply
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  • I love JPP as a player, but I don’t think we should get into a bidding war beyond a certain amount: all the senior Boks are strong probabilities to get itchy feet post-WC, and I don’t believe in holding onto an uncommitted player.

    Chances are good that JPP will want to expand his horizons as soon as the WC is over, no matter which province he signs with. What is left for him to do locally?

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.09.10 19:44:15 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 16) :

    Yeah but why let common sense get in the way of a good stubborn Harold Verster

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.09.10 19:46:01 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 17) :

    Win the Super Rugby tournament?

    He has a RWC, 2007
    He has a CC, 2008
    He needs a S14/15 Trophy

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.09.10 19:49:06 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • Where’d the pink go?

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.09.10 19:49:43 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • Ah well, it makes the victory all the sweeter. Especially our unheralded front-row bullying their big boys like that. :lol:

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.09.10 19:49:48 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Honestly, I think in the light of the WC, Tri-Nations and BIL tour, a Super medal is just not enough on its own.

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.09.10 19:51:39 by Big Fish Reply
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  • How do the Cheetahs operate? Surely there needs to be a correlation between your union’s junior players’ age and the duration of their contracts! Unless the Cheetahs keep players on junior contracts with the intension to short change them when it comes to pay (I think it is called exploitation)? When you complain you are then shown that you are the highest paid “junior” when you are no longer a junior.
    Apparently the Bulls have offered a sturdy transfer fee to Griquas for Basson (FS is privy to this info and hence back tracked on the transfer fee negotiations with the Sharks). If Harold is comparing Basson’s situation with that of Mapoe’s, he is incorrect. Basson is a Springbok which means his market value is high, Basson recently renewed his contract with his union, his value to Griquas is about R1m per annum and they are paying him accordingly. Mapoe is on a junior contract and his value to the Cheetahs is R120k per annum. Harold has no grounds to request a transfer of more than R1.5m.

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.09.10 20:02:48 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 21) :

    75kgs lighter and giving them a klap. Oh the joys of being a Sharks supporter. :razz:

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.09.10 20:13:58 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 22) :

    OOPS forgot about the BIL and 3N titles he has.

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.09.10 20:14:57 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • “We haven’t got the money of the Sharks and the Bulls..” Well, now you know why. You treat this business as though you are runnng a spaza shop and you think you can better Pick n pay?

    Duh. Reminds me of Homer Simpson running a nuclear plant.

    When you think and act small, you will always be small. An Amateur in a Professional era.

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.09.10 20:19:09 by Baldrick Reply

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  • Even if the Cheetahs win, do they really want a player who no longer wants to play for them?? Mapoe clearly wants to wear the colours of Black & White and note Orange so let him go, collect your nice little R800 000 transfer fee, and then everyone is happy.

    No point keeping the poor guy there. Put the player’s interests in front of your own. I do believe in honouring contracts but I still wouldn’t like to have an uncommitted guy playing for my team. What will that do for team morale?

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.09.10 20:50:00 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • By the time this is over, Mapoe will be old enough to retire at Province :twisted:

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.09.10 07:09:33 by Jarson Reply
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  • if say the court rules in the sharks favour what happens then guys?

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.09.10 08:01:07 by shaniboi Reply

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  • “Lionel is citing irreconcilable differences with his employers and exploitation over a three-year contract which was not properly explained to him and his father, who is a carpenter,” said Van Zyl.”

    WTF isn’t it the so called agents job to check the contract before it’s signed :shock:

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.09.10 08:07:50 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @shaniboi (Comment 29) : Good point. Then the Sharks have to ask SARU to ask the Cheetahs for a release certificate. And if they are anything like the Lions it will mean yet another court case.

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.09.10 08:17:39 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • The horse himself has just told me the Cheetahs were paying closer to R5k a month.

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.09.10 09:24:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : That’s even less than my salary :shock: :oops:

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.09.10 09:39:03 by Jarson Reply
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  • I was originally with the Cheetahs on this one out of principal (ie. A contract is a contract)… BUT after having read “nose-bleed” Verster’s comments I’ve changed my mind.

    These guys are idiots :twisted: The “logic” they’re trying to use astounds me. Are they not able to self-reflect on the comments they make to hear how stupid they sound?!

    No wonder the Sharks have historically “poached” so many FS players, anyone with half a brain (ie Frans Steyn) probably wouldn’t want to touch them with a barge pole. I can’t believe Juan Smith has stayed there so long… I wonder what he’s being paid?

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.09.10 09:49:44 by CS Reply

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  • court case is on thursday, I believe

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.09.10 09:49:54 by war1 Reply
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  • not very impressed if Mapoe’s not keeping his under -oath statement if this is true. :roll:

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.09.10 09:55:57 by rekinek (in pink) Reply
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  • @KSA Pink Shark © (Comment 8) : Neither, currently, he has only played 4 games all season!

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.09.10 10:41:21 by Greg Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 9) : He may be 22,(by 2 months), but he was 21 at the start of the current season, which means he still falls into the age group category

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.09.10 10:43:15 by Greg Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : Which horse is that, the same one that swore under oath that he would return to Bloemfontein should the arbitrator rule that way :?:

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.09.10 10:44:49 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 39) : Ouch ;-)

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.09.10 10:48:52 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 30) :

    Maybe he didn’t have an agent at the time and his dad represented him.
    Anyone who still defends the Cheetahs in this matter needs their heads read!! :roll:

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.09.10 11:04:54 by wpw Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 38) : I’m sorry, that can’t be right. 22 is not under 21, surely he would not be eligible for the under 21s now

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.09.10 11:14:07 by war1 Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 38) :

    I can’t believe you are still defending the Cheetahs’ in this matter. Oh wait, I can… :twisted: :roll:

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.09.10 11:14:36 by wpw Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 34) : perhaps Juan’s salary is the reason they can’t afford to pay Mapoe a proper salary rather than an u21 salary.

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.09.10 11:17:48 by pinkfish Reply
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  • @pinkfish (Comment 44) : I think you’re spot on. That and the fact that they seem to be topping up a lot of the Griquas players’ contracts…

    What a mess. Does Harry V actually have ANY financial background?

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.09.10 11:23:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 43) : In terms of the rules and regulations pertaining to player movement? Of course I am defending the cheetahs. The red herring being bandied about by the sharks with respect to how badly he was paid, and how badly he has been treated is nothing more than a smoke screen to detract from the underhanded (once again) attempt to get a player for free. If the sharks were really the mapoe financial saviours they would have us believe, why did they not approach free state and request a transfer, like the regulations require them to do. But no, they look for a contract loophole first. Only when that fails do they jump onto the high horse and tell everyone that all they want to do is pay him a decent salry and develop his career, and what bad people the cheetahs are for exploiting an ignorant player and his carpenter father

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.09.10 11:35:14 by Greg Reply

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  • Bottom line is he has a contract,he does not want to play for them. Let him go for the remainder of his contract times his salary and make that his transfer fee-im on a student contract myself and thats wat would happen if another company wanted to buy me out. Everyone can slate the sharks as much as they like but at the end of the day it prob happens alot and this is just being blown out of proportion coz mapoe has made a name for himself. Take the money and invest in a youngsters salary coming through the ranks so that another player does not leave coz he is being paid a slave wage. Done deal.

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.09.10 11:50:31 by Neil.watson Reply

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  • Neil, I’m on a similar contract, and my company would do the same.

    As an ex-attorney I find it laughable how everyone suddenly sees contract and employment law so clearly, yet its such a huge dispute area everyday.

    I guess everything seems black and white, and we are all towers of moral strength when its not OUR future and livelihood on the line.

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.09.10 12:03:15 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 48) : that’s in line for comment of the day, Fish

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.09.10 12:05:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • goodness gracious!!! cheetahs are only shooting them selves in the foot here!

    what is the worth of a contract these days? in all major sports contracts are negotiated and then renegotiated to allow the player to leave the club to join another club. :shock:

  • Comment 50, posted at 20.09.10 13:25:42 by richzed Reply

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