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Have the Bulls missed a trick?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Currie Cup, Original Content, Super Rugby on 20 Sep 2010 at 10:45
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Isn’t it a little ironic that after being considered the “flyhalf factory” of South Africa for the last few years – and supplying countless promising young pivots to other provinces – the Blue Bulls now find themselves panicking somewhat as they look for an adequate backup option to Morne Steyn for next year’s Super 15?

The most recent news sees the Pretoria union in an audacious bid to secure the services of Griquas flyhalf Naas Olivier, a pretty utilitarian player who failed to set the scene alight in his last big time gig, with Western Province, although he does look a solid Currie Cup option. This comes hot on the heels of report that the Bulls are poised to pay a hefty transfer fee to get another Griquas player – wing Bjorn Basson – into their squad. One wonders if they’re planning on digging a big hole just next to Loftus in order to make the guys feel at home!

Outside of Steyn, who is in serious need of rest after being quite chronically overplayed for he last two seasons, the Bulls only really have Francois Brummer as a flyhalf option and it’s safe to say that he is a payer who has unfortunately failed to deliver on his age-group promise. Jacques-Louis Potgieter – who is looking average even at Currie Cup level right now – is one his way to the Sharks, just the latest in a long line of flyhalf talent to leave Pretoria in recent years. Potgeiter, Len Olivier, Ruan Boshoff, Burton Francis and Divan Kotze are just some of the junior flyhalves to have turned their backs on Loftus, while the province’s schools have produced countless more who have left even before under 19, including Willie du Plessis, an Affies boy currently playing for the Sharks juniors.

An interesting snippet that may have missed their attention, though, is the fact that Pumas pivot Elgar Watts has apparently decided to return to Boland next season, after only a year in Witbank. Watts is currently the third-highest try scorer in the Currie Cup, despite playing for one of the weakest sides and appears to be the complete package. He was again very impressive against Western Province this weekend, scoring his side’s only try with a lovely break that had the Province defence at sixes and sevens. Have the Bulls missed a trick, in aiming for the somewhat average Olivier when Watts was quite clearly on the transfer market?



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  • Why the hell would Watts go back to Boland?No my boy, not clever.

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.09.10 10:48:23 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Sorry Bulls :roll: :twisted:

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.09.10 10:48:52 by Jarson Reply
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  • Well the simple answer is a resounding yes.

    As for Elgar, he is a breed of flyhalf similar to Lambie and Jantjies which I am truly excited in seeing coming through in SA rugby at the moment.

    I wonder if anyone can put the difference these guys bring technically and tactically into a team compared the the likes of the Steyn’s, De Waal’s etc we got so use to seeing in SA Rugby…?

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.09.10 10:49:13 by Morné Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 1) :

    Well he only has to compete against Louis Koen :twisted:

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.09.10 10:50:38 by Morné Reply
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  • The only possible reason can be Loffie Eloff.

    How are Boland looking at the moment? Any chance of them being promoted? As for the Griffons, it would be an absolute disaster for them if they ended up in the premier league because they wouldn’t then be able to use all the Cheetahs cast-offs. They’d take 100 each week.

    Actually, bring it on. I love beating teams from the free state

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.09.10 10:52:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 4) : Lol true

    @robdylan (Comment 5) : Boland started well under Loffie but then seemed to have fallen off, they did however beat SWD over the weekend.

    EP Kings looking lije they are heading up.

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.09.10 10:55:40 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 6) : do both teams have to play promo-relegation? Or is it only the second-placed team?

    I am getting confused with EPL football, I think.

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.09.10 11:01:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : According to Rugby365 its both teams

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.09.10 11:14:05 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) :

    Bottom two in CC premier against top two in First division goes into a play-off.

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.09.10 11:15:36 by Morné Reply
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  • If the bulls have messed up then surely everyone else has as well. Which province can say they have a good backup 10?

    Not one other than the Sharks. Maybe they all missed a trick, maybe they all realise Watts is not THAT good, just yet.

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.09.10 11:19:02 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Pink Shark © (Comment 10) :

    WP has Oupa, Grant (will be back for Super rugby) and Cronje…

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.09.10 11:23:05 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 9) : CC8 plays 1stDiv1, CC7 plays 1stDiv2. They play home and away. Team with the highest Aggregate points after the 2 matches will play CC next year. Well that was how it worked last year anyway. :)

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.09.10 11:24:39 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • Boland are 11 points behind 2nd placed SWD with a match in hand but only two rounds left, they will not get promoted.

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.09.10 11:27:25 by war1 Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 11) : Oh didn’t realise Grant will be back. Great stuff

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.09.10 11:27:31 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 13) : so EP and SWD are guaranteed to play the promo-relegations matches?

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.09.10 11:35:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Yes, it seems like it. The irony is that Boland could win the 1st division via the semis but not get a shot at promotion, or at least that’s how I understand it.

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.09.10 11:39:51 by war1 Reply
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  • they can always pay us a trandfer fee of R1,5mil and take Andre Pretorius ;-) then we can buy mapoe and use the R800 000 for JP and all is well in Sharks country… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.09.10 11:44:53 by VanWilder Reply

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  • what happens when SWD is liquidated?

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.09.10 11:45:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 1) : Watts got the talent, i`m just concerned about his place kicking. missed alot of kicks at goal in recent weeks…

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.09.10 11:46:17 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : they get demoted to club champs… ;-)

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.09.10 11:47:24 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 20) : love it :)

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.09.10 11:48:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • “One wonders if they’re planning on digging a big hole just next to Loftus in order to make the guys feel at home!”

    They don’t to the place is a hole. :lol:

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.09.10 11:49:15 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 22) : true dat :)

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.09.10 11:52:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • rob flyahlf-flyhalf ear’s is missing the y. no malice intended.

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.09.10 11:54:05 by try time Reply

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  • anyone seen Greg on the site? i want to ask him what ever happened to Roland Bernard?

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.09.10 11:54:26 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 25) : according to scrum.com he is at mont-de-marsan aka stade montois

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.09.10 11:56:12 by war1 Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 1) :

    You think he may have his sights set on making the Stormers set up for next year??

    Please tell me De Waal’s contract ends after the current Currie Cup season! :roll: :???:

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.09.10 11:57:43 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : i agree though, i feel watts is someone well worth his salt as backup flyhalf. he may not be ready for super rugby yet, but the right structures will definitely assist his progress. the sharks had already committed to meyer, bosman and jlp, before seeing watts’ quality, we can’t blame them for missing a trick. but agree bulls might have slipped up. unless watts is like us and dislikes the bulls.

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.09.10 11:57:56 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 24) : thanks

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.09.10 12:00:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • Wasn’t he supposed to be at the Sharks last year? Watts I mean

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.09.10 12:01:57 by war1 Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 25) : Nope, nobody on this site has seen me, only pictures of me :lol:

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.09.10 12:02:26 by Greg Reply

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  • @KSA Pink Shark © (Comment 10) :

    Peter Grant
    Lionel Cronje
    De Waal :roll:

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.09.10 12:02:41 by wpw Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 30) : nah, you’re confusing him with Lionel Cornelius

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.09.10 12:02:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : ah, my bad, any reason why that didn’t work out?

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.09.10 12:05:25 by war1 Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 31) : ahh, there you are… soooooo, interesting weekend coming up hey? ;-) u going to be there?

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.09.10 12:11:42 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 34) : it was a rumour that seemingly had no basis in fact.

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.09.10 12:13:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : like SO many of them, it seems

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.09.10 12:15:02 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 37) : he he… fair enough

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.09.10 12:22:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 35) : Am at this stage hping to be there, will depend on how things pan out, but will certainly be there in spirit, no matter what :!: :!:

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.09.10 12:28:58 by Greg Reply

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  • I wonder if the age-group flyhalves are leaving the Bulls because they tend to prefer a kicking gameplan? Must seem pretty dull to most youngsters who look up to guys like Carlos Spencer and Dan Carter.

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.09.10 12:29:40 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Liefling (WP), Steyn (FS), Burton Francis (Boland), Wako Jako (everywhere but the Bulls) – what makes anyone think that the Bulls are a flyhalf factory?

    They should start an import-export factory.

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.09.10 12:37:23 by Baldrick Reply

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  • I conveyed my theory on this is to the guys in the office. i’m of the opinion that the Bulls relied to heavely on the same players everytime and actually lacked giving other players opportunities. I mean Victor, Morne, Habana, Fourie, Wynand were always playing. Even though they had age group players (who are currently leaving as indicated above), these players just saw a closed door in front of them. So they in esence lacked ‘real’ depth.
    The sollution? The Bulls are either going have to buy players enmasse or languish at the bottom of the respective tournament logs. NEVER the Bulls guys said. Blahblablahblah they went on. And now I pointed out to them just how the Bulls are strugling in this years CC. They are extremely hopefull on the return of their Boks to secure the CC for them. I for one, hope that the Sharks do not just include their Boks at once (disrupt continuity?) In any case…..is’nt there a rule that says that a player had to play more than two games for his province in order to qualify to play in the semi’s and final? (i might have overlooked that certain Boks have played two games for their provinces.

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.09.10 14:36:55 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • Maybe, I don’t think Naas is a bad signing though…

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.09.10 23:07:51 by Letgo Reply
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  • I heard this morning that the Bulls confirmed the signing of Bjorn Basson…very good signing for them IMO. Basson is the best wing under a high ball in the country and it will suit the Bulls style of play very well.

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.09.10 08:25:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • It’s official: Bjorn Basson has signed with the Bulls and will make his way to Loftus after this year’s Currie Cup :twisted:

  • Comment 45, posted at 21.09.10 08:26:15 by Jarson Reply
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  • @Jarson (Comment 45) : Now the Cheetahs are going to be pissed :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.09.10 08:27:22 by Jarson Reply
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  • @Jarson (Comment 45) : I beat you by 50 seconds :lol:

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.09.10 08:28:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Jarson (Comment 46) : I wonder what the transfer fee was?

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.09.10 08:28:51 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Jarson (Comment 45) : Good signing,doesnt say a lot about Akona coming back or gvdh for that matter

  • Comment 49, posted at 21.09.10 08:30:00 by ruggabugga Reply

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  • @ruggabugga (Comment 49) : GvdH and Basson will be 1st choice probably, Akona is also getting old in the tooth now :smile:

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.09.10 08:33:12 by Jarson Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 48) :As far I know, they didn’t say how much. @Pokkel (Comment 47) : Stupid slow MTN :twisted:

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  • @ruggabugga (Comment 49) : @Jarson (Comment 50) :

    Sampie Mastriet is also a good prospect but he might still be too green. He has plenty of pace but needs to seriously bulk up!!

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.09.10 08:35:02 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 52) :and jaco is too ballie!!

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.09.10 08:51:38 by ruggabugga Reply

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  • grasp (clutch, grab) at straws (a straw)

    Etymology
    This idiom refers to a drowning man grabbing any floating object, even a straw, to save himself. It was first used by Thomas More in Dialogue of Comfort Against Tribulation (1534).

    Verb
    grasp (clutch, grab) at straws (a straw)
    1. trying to find some way to succeed when nothing you choose is likely to work.
    2. trying to find reasons to feel hopeful about a bad situation.
    3. hoping/wishing/praying that the Bulls may fail. see also: Super 14, Champions.
    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.09.10 18:35:08 by fyndraai Reply

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  • Fyndraai, you are a real piece of work ;)

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.09.10 18:37:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) :

    On a more serious note, you wrote a good article, it made me think. First of a good pearler and then that Naas Olivier is probably a very good fit as a back-up for the Bulls.

    He is maybe not the most talented runner, but a good kicking fly-half, very much like Derrick Hougaard. They had great success with him, even if you take into account that they should have lost that final.

    That’s the genius of the Bulls’ game-plan. It’s not so depended on scarce Dan Carter like talents.

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