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Mapoe is still a no-go


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Original Content, Sharks on 24 Sep 2010 at 10:07
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Judge Corne van Zyl has reserved judgement in the Bloemfontein High Court regarding the urgent interdict sought by the Cheetahs Rugby Union against Lionel Mapoe and the Sharks. The matter was heard yesterday, but van Zyl has given no indication as to when his ruling can be expected, or will be made public.

Mapoe’s counsel, Robert Stelzner, who is also representing the Sharks in this matter, argued that the court had not had enough time to hear all of the relevant information – since the case was by no means as cut and dried as the Cheetahs would have the judge believe – and that van Zyl should refer the matter to arbitration. It seems an interesting gambit from Stelzner, since the previous arbitration hearing found in favour of the Cheetahs. Notwithstanding that ruling, Mapoe has refused to return to his pittance of a salary in Bloemfontein and has remained in Durban, training with the Sharks.

Stelzner further submitted that a breakdown in trust between the player and his employer made it impossible for Mapoe to return to the Cheetahs, since Mapoe felt that he had been misled, as well as discriminated against by the Union. There was also the matter of a withheld salary payment, which Stelzner argues may render the contract null and void.

Cheetahs council Johann Daffue countered that the Cheetahs could not be expected to carry on paying Mapoe while he was AWOl and training in another team’s colours. He asked Judge van Zyl to rule that Mapoe should be legally required to return to the Cheetahs team, or else be found in comtempt.

So, in short, we’re back at a stalemate situation. I’m guessing that the Sharks simply want to get out of the High Court (where these matters probably don’t belong) and back around the negotiating table provided by an arbitration hearing, so that the process of negotiating a fair transfer fee can begin. I’m not sure what the Cheetahs are hoping to achieve. Then again, maybe they aren’t either.

More on this as it develops, you can be sure!



44 Comments

  • Cant say anything on this besides childish childish cheetahs.

  • Comment 1, posted at 24.09.10 10:24:49 by Neil Watson Reply
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  • :roll: :roll: :roll:

  • Comment 2, posted at 24.09.10 10:35:36 by Jarson Reply
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  • Bloody disaster is what it is

  • Comment 3, posted at 24.09.10 10:42:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • This is not really a surprise, but it would be so much better for the Sharks and Cheetahs to just negotiate a transfer fee and get it over with

  • Comment 4, posted at 24.09.10 10:48:34 by war1 Reply
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  • morning all… i find myself at work on this lovely public holiday!! :twisted: only for a few hours still…

    anyways, so this mapoe saga will probably not be resolved until next year at this rate… interesting that fs has denied receiving ANY offers for a transfer fee and all other sources confirm offers of between R500 000 and R800 000 already made by the sharks. a bit of clarity on this matter would be nice hey? and even if we dont get mapoe (which i hope we do), for the sake of mapoe himself and for the sharks to move on…

  • Comment 5, posted at 24.09.10 10:51:19 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 5) : speedy resolution would favour everyone, but that ain’t gonna happen if it has to go back for another round of arbitration.

  • Comment 6, posted at 24.09.10 11:42:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : but whats the chances of the judge giving judgement? or will his judgement be that it should go to arbitration?

  • Comment 7, posted at 24.09.10 11:52:05 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 7) : I doubt he’ll actually rule that Mapoe should be forced to go and play for the Cheetahs

  • Comment 8, posted at 24.09.10 12:13:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • Well this will never end so Sharks MUST just pay Cheetahs what they want for the transfer. If it means paying R1.5 million then so be it. Pay the damn transfer fee and let Mapoe start playing. He is a superb talent and now just wasted not playing.

    It is the player now that suffers really.

    How much did we pay for the Arg FH last year? Must have been huge. So just pay this damn transfer fee whatever it is and let it all get settled.

    Mapoe can never go back to Cheetahs, there will be such bad vibes there from both sides just wont be good for this youngster. Sharks have stood by him for so long now, it is the correct thing to just pay Cheetahs whatever and get this over and done with.

  • Comment 9, posted at 24.09.10 12:14:02 by Puma Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 7) : but that said, I don’t believe he has the jurisdiction to force the Cheetahs to accept a transfer fee. He can only rule on what’s in front of him, which is the Cheetahs’ petition. So his only option is to either make the earlier arbitration finding an order of the court (so Mapoe must legally go back) or refuse to do so. In the latter case, it’s back to limbo. This one is kind of a no-win for Mapoe and the Sharks.

  • Comment 10, posted at 24.09.10 12:15:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 9) : but there isn’t an unlimited pot of money. Would you risk losing JP in order to secure Mapoe?

  • Comment 11, posted at 24.09.10 12:16:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : I doubt that will happen as well Rob.

    Just would like this to be all over and get Mapoe playing as soon as possible.

    Also Sharks must be looking to sign Kanko and JPP for another year or two. Can’t just stay focused on this and lose those two players either.

    Anyhow out of here now. Public holiday here.

    Cheers everyone. Enjoy you day. Weather great here in Umhlanga just a bit windy.

  • Comment 12, posted at 24.09.10 12:17:19 by Puma Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : No Rob, Would never risk losing JPP. But we had the money to waste on FHs last year and the year before. There must be some money in the bag there. Remember we signed John on for another year too. That must have cost a bit.

    Think if we keep this thing going it will cost us far more in legal fees. So play the damn R1.5million before it costs us huge.

    Cheers Rob out of here now.

  • Comment 13, posted at 24.09.10 12:20:16 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 13) : typo – play = pay :oops:

  • Comment 14, posted at 24.09.10 12:21:09 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 13) : one last point… we’re going to have to up Kanko and JP’s contracts significantly to keep them. They’re both worth a lot more now than they were 2-3 years ago

  • Comment 15, posted at 24.09.10 12:39:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • You have to look at this situation from both points of view. Imagine the boot was on the other foot and the Cheetahs were trying to sign one of our players that we didn’t want to let go…we wouldn’t give up without a fight.

    I certainly agree that it’s not beneficial to any party to have this dragging out, and Mapoe himself is suffering the most.

    Notwithstanding the alleged salary that the Cheetahs are paying him, I think they are trying to enforce the point that they won’t just let the big boys walk all over them….they have already been shafted by Wee Pee and it’s not a good situation if the richer unions can just run roughshod over the poorer ones (although I do accept that it happens in all sports all over the world).

    That said…I would love to see Mapoe in Sharks colours and as a 13..as that is where we are desperately lacking! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 24.09.10 14:32:45 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 16) : I think FS tried Mapoe at 13 but his defense was found lacking. . .

  • Comment 17, posted at 24.09.10 16:13:36 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • :evil: :twisted:
    This is just bull [email protected] from my side gee Sharks buy him out what is R1.5 Million gee hell will be a great ansit to our team go for it,
    Well Mopoe just don’t put yr heart into the Cheetah game and si daar :oops: they’ll let you go :???:

  • Comment 18, posted at 24.09.10 16:17:48 by chaz Reply

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  • Shame on Mapoe for going awol from his job. Shame on the Sharks for letting him train with them whilst under contract at the Cheetahs.

    Nobody is bigger than the system. If this ruins his career, it will serve as good example for others to behave better.

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.09.10 02:02:09 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Snort snort! ;)

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.09.10 07:23:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 19) : If you were a brain surgeon but paid a nurses salary, would you feel all warm and fuzzy about your employer? Would you look to improve matters and when they weren’t look to other opportunities where people might actually value you.

    I don’t know what FS were thinking paying him a pittance for playing senior rugby. But they are small-thinking fish in a dangerous sea.

    They would be out of business if they were in big business!

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.09.10 09:00:12 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Villie (Comment 16) :
    “Imagine the boot was on the other foot and the Cheetahs were trying to sign one of our players that we didn’t want to let go…we wouldn’t give up without a fight.”

    If I recall, the sharks never held anyone against their will. Obviously they will want to retain players, but if the players want to move on, they have let them, that includes Brent Russell, Brad Barritt, etc

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.09.10 09:02:36 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 22) :

    Ruan Pienaar, Francois Steyn, the list goes on.

    Free State couldn’t run a Bottle store in the middle of summer without going bankrupt.

    Words escape me to describe their stupidity.

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.09.10 09:31:14 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Pink Shark © (Comment 23) : Don’t let that stop you trying, though. I’m sure we’ll all enjoy your attempts ;)

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.09.10 09:36:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) :

    I’ll just use the collective noun:

    They are a “Harold Verster” of idiots.
    Although they could also be a bevy of blondes but they certainly won’t be a bench of scholars.

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.09.10 09:42:59 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Pink Shark © (Comment 25) : how about “an idiocy of Cheetah supporters”? :)

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.09.10 10:25:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : a bankruptcy of Cheetahs rugby administrators

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.09.10 10:25:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • A zefness of Blue Bulls :)

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.09.10 10:26:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • A delusion of WP supporters… :twisted:

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.09.10 10:27:59 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    A bakkie full of Blue Bull supporters. :razz:

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.09.10 14:32:49 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 29) : Bwhahahahaha

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.09.10 14:33:18 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • A Bloemfontein of Sharks players?

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.09.10 18:35:12 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 21) :

    Incidentally brain surgeons start off as interns that are paid less than nurses. If you act like Mapoe you will never become one.

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.09.10 20:02:34 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Amazing to think that so many of you actually think that the Cheetahs are being unfair here. The guy is under contract, and the Sharks have no right to be raiding on players who are still under contract!

    I swear, you cost the springboks so much with your rubbish. We have now lost Frans Steyn, Barrit and Pienaar. God knows with JLP coming we are probably going to lose either Lambie or Ludik now.

    Im sick to death of the Sharks contracting form player after form player only to throw them out with the trash when they dont meet your expectations. The only reason players are moving on is because they are being managed so poorly. Barrit and Pienaar perfect examples of how you have cost Bok rugby. Steyn was booed all the way to France.

    All for two currie cup titles in the last 15 years and still no Super rugby trophy. I personally hope that they honor the Mapoe contract and you guys are forced to bring through one of your own youngsters through the development academy.

  • Comment 34, posted at 26.09.10 05:22:33 by evilsod.com Reply

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  • Imo the problem lies with SARU who should define very rules in terms of players moving from one union to another.

    The Sharks are winning some controversial decisions purely on the superiority of their ‘mean’ legal team. I suppose that at this stage everyone is fair game if their legal teams are not on par.

    BUT I would really like SARU to give some clear cut rules.

  • Comment 35, posted at 26.09.10 19:25:14 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • Oh! Hi to everyone and their neighbours…. :smile:

  • Comment 36, posted at 26.09.10 19:26:48 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 35) :

    VAN WAAR GEHASIE????????????????? :razz:

  • Comment 37, posted at 26.09.10 19:34:49 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • :lol: Have’nt used a lot of my ‘cap’ this month, so thought I’d come say hello.

  • Comment 38, posted at 26.09.10 19:39:07 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 38) : :cool:

    Cool. You’ve been gone so long I am not even sure if you are a Shark or a Cheetah anymore. :lol:

  • Comment 39, posted at 26.09.10 19:41:35 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • Hehehe, I’m still a Shark, the wife is a Cheetarrr! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 26.09.10 19:45:16 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 40) :

    Ah there you go now it’s all clear.

  • Comment 41, posted at 26.09.10 19:48:47 by KSA Pink Shark © Reply

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  • Ooooooo. They are showing the 36-0 England WC drubbing at 9.00pm on ESPN Classic. :twisted:

  • Comment 42, posted at 26.09.10 20:07:52 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 42) : HT England 0 – 20 SA

    Good times. :cool:

  • Comment 43, posted at 26.09.10 21:24:24 by klempie Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 35) : The problem does not lie in the lack of rule definition. The rules are very clearly defined. The problem lies in the unions ignoring those rules, because they know that SARU does not have the balls to sanction any team that break the rules.

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.09.10 10:43:47 by Greg Reply

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