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Grant a must for Bok Grand Slam tour


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Posted in :Original Content on 21 Oct 2010 at 10:20
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Peter de Villiers has no option, Peter Grant is a must for the Grand Slam Tour.

The Springboks sit with a bit of a flyhalf crisis, which is nothing new if you consider most believe our last ‘great’ flyhalf was Henry Honniball!

This November, straight after the Currie Cup final the Springboks will embark on a Grand Slam tour, playing all four home unions in an attempt to add this accolade to their impressive CV of the last 4 years. It is something the Springboks last achieved in 1960/61 when Avril Malan’s team beat all four home unions in a four-month, 34-game sweep through Europe.

But the Springboks are in a bit of a catch-22. As much as they would love to end a 50-year drought, there is a small matter of a Rugby World Cup in New Zealand next year which in the professional era, is what rugby now revolves around.

We have read at great lengths how the conditioning of players is going to be vital for any hope of success at the World Cup, and given the amount of rugby some of the key members of the Springboks squad has played so far, taking these players on a Grand Slam tour is a luxury De Villiers can simply not afford.

One of these players, is Morne Steyn.

Steyn was instrumental in the Springboks success of 2009 and with a kicking average of close on 90% in 2010, he will be absolutely crucial for the Springbok cause in 2011 and the Rugby World Cup. But Steyn, as with many other front-line Springboks is in desperate need of rest.

The situation is further complicated for De Villiers with his second choice flyhalf for 2010 and Rugby World Cup winner of 2007, Butch James, being ruled out with a shoulder injury.

The Bok coach could obviously also fall back on another player he has used at flyhalf in Ruan Pienaar, but given how his performances in blew hot, but mostly cold, and the player’s seeming insistence of wanting to play scrumhalf exclusively, this is also not an option.

A more desperate measure might even have been to call on Saracens’ Derrick Hougaard, but he too has been struck down by an Achilles injury and won’t be available.

This leaves De Villiers with the option to either take a massive risk, and call on uncapped inexperienced youngsters in Patrick Lambie or Elton Jantjies who both still need to play Super rugby in this position, or perhaps go for the more conservative option and call upon Peter Grant, who has formed part of his squad in the past but who also has limited experience at test level.

There is no doubt Jantjies and Lambie were some of the finds of the year, but to expect them to perform on a 4-match tour in Europe (5 if we include the Barbarians game) in a Grand Slam attempt, will be desperately unfair.

This does not mean either of them can be blooded on this tour and give De Villiers great options and back-up for 2011, but the responsibility as first choice flyhalf has a better chance of backfiring spectacularly than being successful, especially if we consider they will be up against players and conditions unfamiliar to them.

Peter Grant might not be the ideal option to many, including the Springbok coach, but in the very least you have a flyhalf with a massive amount of Super rugby experience and even some test rugby experience, a player not scared to take on the advantage line (something Peter de Villiers apparently prefers) and a player who comes with the added security as a very efficient goal-kicker.

Grant is currently playing his rugby in Japan which counts heavily against his possible selection, but he was a key member of the Stormers squad earlier this year in a team that reached the finals of the competition, and he will be back for the Cape franchise in 2011 again.

With his preferred 3 options at flyhalf of the last 2 years unavailable either through injury, preference or needing some time off, Grant is the only logical solution with either Jantjies, or Lambie taken as a back-up with the intent of some Northern exposure.



102 Comments

  • I dunno , from Japan to the cauldron of Grand slam rugby …

    I know I’ll get stick for this but why not consider De Waal ..yea I know ..has it come to this …

    Is Steyn in desperate need of rest ?The Bulls not making the semi’s is a blessing.

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.10.10 10:27:17 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply
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  • I will back Grant as a good move in the flyhalf slot.

    He was superb in the Super 14, just a shame he wasnt there for the Currie Cup, I would fear WP more with him setting the backline alight.

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.10.10 10:28:47 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I can see it now, an all WP backline. Except either wing of fullback, depending where Aplon plays.

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.10.10 10:30:05 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 3) :

    Bok backline:

    Aplon
    JPP
    De Jongh
    JDV
    Habana
    Grant
    Ricky

    Works for me!! Pity about the token Shark on the wing though!! :twisted:

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.10.10 10:50:13 by wpw Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 1) : I have the same reservations about throwing a player from Japan directly back into international rugby. In the same breath I’d like to add that Peter Grant seems like the kind of player who would lift his game for the occasion. Conditioning is probably my main worry.

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.10.10 10:50:36 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 1) : you must be joking about de waal

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.10.10 10:56:40 by Ben Reply
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  • Let me ask this. Who is the future 10 for the Boks? Is it Grant, Lambie or Jantjies? Who do you want at the world cup next year? Grant, Lambie or Jantjies? Because that’s who should play. None of this youngsters nonsense. That’s what these end of year tours should be about, and especially on the brink of a world cup.

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.10.10 10:59:01 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • De Waal was born in 1978. He is a bit long in da toof.

  • Comment 8, posted at 21.10.10 10:59:36 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 6) :

    Well he couldve said Meyer Bosman hey!! ;-) :twisted:

  • Comment 9, posted at 21.10.10 11:00:40 by wpw Reply
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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 8) : During the semi the commentators were talking about de Waal being an emerging Bok at 30 plus. They were wondering if he would have to be around 40 to be considered for the senior side.

  • Comment 10, posted at 21.10.10 11:02:47 by lostfish Reply
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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 7) :

    Let me answer you with another question, or two…

    Who will be the first choice flyhalf next year in the World Cup? Who is his deputy?

    And then, out of Grant, Jantjies or Lambie, who gives you the most assurance of winning on this tour playing at 10?

  • Comment 11, posted at 21.10.10 11:04:31 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 11) :

    Surely Morne Steyn will be the flyhalf at the World Cup.. But who will be his deputy there? Butch?

    To answer your second question, Grant will be able to win us the Grand Slam..

  • Comment 12, posted at 21.10.10 11:07:00 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 9) : lol he’s got a thing for bosman

  • Comment 13, posted at 21.10.10 11:07:17 by Ben Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 12) :

    Correct, correct, and I agree.

  • Comment 14, posted at 21.10.10 11:07:57 by Morné Reply
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  • poor Grant – he could have been a good bok flyhalf but I reckon he’s time is gone now. Doubt he will ever be in the fold again.

  • Comment 15, posted at 21.10.10 11:08:28 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 9) :

    Would have been my second option .. :lol:

    @Ben (Comment 6) :

    No just looking at options , Grant may just suprise me but other than that we only have the 2 youngsters which personaly I feel could make or break them.

    I recall a young Gaffie totoight being wrecked cause of being chucked in to early.

  • Comment 16, posted at 21.10.10 11:10:34 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 14) :

    In your opinion, who should be the deputy at the World Cup next year? Is there any point in taking a deputy if Steyn is going to play 80 minutes every game? I suupose that is why they like Butch, he covers centre as well..

  • Comment 17, posted at 21.10.10 11:10:43 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 16) :

    Remember a certain Derrick Hougaard? Chucked in as a youngster after almost single-handedly destroying the Lions in a Currie Cup final at Ellis Park smashing Naas’ record?

  • Comment 18, posted at 21.10.10 11:12:19 by Morné Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) :

    So much depends on the Super rugby next season and how Lambie and Jantjies perform, including who is taken on this tour…

    Butch is a safe option, whether he will hold up is another question.

    We should identify someone right now, on this tour. My money is on Lambie…

  • Comment 19, posted at 21.10.10 11:13:43 by Morné Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 16) : Wasn’t it because him and van Hoesslin got blamed for the loss/losses. Mallet blamed them in the press or something, didn’t he? That can certainly break a newbie.

  • Comment 20, posted at 21.10.10 11:14:32 by molly Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 13) :

    I don’t ..go back and read the dicussion yesterday, I merely disputed your opnion of him being crap.

    Has it been confirmed that Steyn is too tired to tour ..if not then all this is pointless cause Steyn will play ..its the back-up we are concerned about ..come WC we’ll have Butch back but he too is getting long in the tooth not to mention he’s injuries.

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.10.10 11:14:57 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 16) : but honestly not de waal man. Then I would rather play bosman at 10

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.10.10 11:15:11 by Ben Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 19) : Good choice ;-)

  • Comment 23, posted at 21.10.10 11:16:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) : Butch played almost every game (barring against Tongo – where he did not play at all) in 2007 WC for 80 min – so I guess Steyn can do the same. Problem if he gets injuried.

    As far as I recall Steyn was not injured for a very long time so this is coming, unless he is a superman.

  • Comment 24, posted at 21.10.10 11:17:04 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 18) :

    We don’t talk about that game :twisted: ;-)

    @molly (Comment 20) :

    Not Mallets proudest moment.

  • Comment 25, posted at 21.10.10 11:17:30 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 19) :

    Lambie will be a Springbok favourite as he can play all over the backline.. So my money is on him to make the tour group. Whether he will start any games, I really doubt!

  • Comment 26, posted at 21.10.10 11:17:41 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 22) :

    Agreed ..just brain storming dude ..besides it got some comments going ..shame I feel for the workhorse though.

  • Comment 27, posted at 21.10.10 11:19:06 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • Has it been decieded that Pienaar is no longer the Tiger Woods of rugby ..we covered at scrummy , do we allow Pienaar another shot at 10 .. :???:

  • Comment 28, posted at 21.10.10 11:21:38 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 11) :

    OK. Well Steyn should be our 1st choice so that settles that.

    I guess we are debating who is (for now at least) the deputy. Butch is injured, and I am unconvinced of his form anyway. So as to who gives me the most assurance of winning on this tour playing at 10? I’d say Steyn with Lambie as deputy.

    I’d love to say Grant, but I can’t say what playing in Japan has done for his rugby. I just don’t know the answer to that.

  • Comment 29, posted at 21.10.10 11:22:18 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 19) :

    Another thing on the point of Super Rugby next year, it will be interesting to see whether Lambie gets game time at flyhalf at all. With JLP flying into the team after the Final, will we be seeing Lambie at 12 or even at fullback for the Sharks next year.

    I am really worried about how we are to shuffle between him and the two signed players..

  • Comment 30, posted at 21.10.10 11:22:20 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 10) : DeWaal was an emerging Bok because he was the only uncapped flyhalf at the time

  • Comment 31, posted at 21.10.10 11:22:59 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 27) : yes I feel for him to but who’s your team anyway?

  • Comment 32, posted at 21.10.10 11:23:33 by Ben Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 30) : we might play jlp at 12 and lambie at 10

  • Comment 33, posted at 21.10.10 11:28:16 by Ben Reply
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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 29) :

    I am working on the premise Steyn needing rest, so he is not an option for this tour (if we toe that line).

    Grant, with Lambie then as a deputy, is my choice.

    Don’t forget, Grant had a great Super rugby season not even 6 months ago…

  • Comment 34, posted at 21.10.10 11:28:45 by Morné Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 30) :

    JLP center imo.

  • Comment 35, posted at 21.10.10 11:29:09 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 35) :

    And leave Bosman on the bench? Its going to be a tricky juggle required by Plum to keep all players happy..

    DO we have any idea if Oom Stef is going to play next year? Can Bosman play 13 at all? That would be a bonus!

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.10.10 11:31:51 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 30) : I have a strong suspicion JLP will either be the reserve fly-half/impact player or will share center duties with Meyer Bosman.

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.10.10 11:32:21 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 32) :

    Lions :sad:

    Hougaard/Januarie/Pienaar
    Steyn/Lambie/Grant
    De Jongh/Bosman/Steyn
    JDV/Jacobs
    Habana/Basson
    JPP/Mvovo
    Aplon/Steyn/Pienaar

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.10.10 11:32:21 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 36) :

    Toughie that. But Plum must invest and show faith in Lambie, he is the incumbent.

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.10.10 11:33:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 39) :

    Plum only has one player that he HAS to keep happy.. and thats Lambie!

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.10.10 11:38:10 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 38) : You forgot TWG13 ;-)

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.10.10 11:38:55 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 41) :

    He is out of the Year End tour due to injury..

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.10.10 11:41:02 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 41) :

    He’s out injured ..isn’t he ? Always first on my team sheet :grin:

    A curve ball but I really rated this player this season , the flyhalf for the Pumas Elgar Watts (sp) or is it Edgar ..

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.10.10 11:41:16 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • Grant is a solid, dependable player, no more.

    Perfect if you want to have a fail-safe option at 10, but not so good if you want to explore an option different from Steyn for WC2011.

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.10.10 11:43:44 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 43) :

    It is Elgar Watts.. and he has been really good. I will not be surprised to se him run out for one of the bigger unions next year.. Maybe even at the Cheetahs where they dont really have a great flyhalf. Strydom isnt exactly wonderful!

  • Comment 45, posted at 21.10.10 11:45:27 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 42) : got an idea how about we send jlp out on loan???

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.10.10 11:45:32 by Ben Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 45) :

    Watts has signed with Boland.

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.10.10 11:47:24 by Morné Reply
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  • Can anyone help me here? Last yeat Butch was not permittrd to play for the Boks as the test match fell outside of the recognised test match window and he was refused permission to play. Does the Ireland test not fall outside of the official test window? If so does that mean that any Irish player in the Premier league will not be permitted to play?

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.10.10 11:48:12 by Grey Shark Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 47) : gone to join loffie has he? Why join a 1st division team?

  • Comment 49, posted at 21.10.10 11:49:38 by Ben Reply
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  • Sorry permittrd = permitted. No spell check!

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.10.10 11:50:13 by Grey Shark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 49) : Yeah, Loffie had a word with the lad, I dont really see the point of hopping down the league for a game.Witbank must be hella boring though

  • Comment 51, posted at 21.10.10 11:52:40 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Grey Shark (Comment 48) :

    It was this year, against Wales, and the English Premier League refused to release Butch.

    It is up to the player’s club and their agreement with Ireland whether the player may play, but the club can refuse.

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.10.10 11:53:27 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 49) :

    Well the reasons I heard is arguably best not discussed here as it might blow up – but I can say this much, it has a lot to do with his family and them being down in Boland.

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.10.10 11:54:35 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 52) : I thought it was the player union as it was stated in some articles that Bath agreed to release James.

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.10.10 11:55:27 by Grey Shark Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 42) : @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 43) : I though you were referring to the WC next year :oops:

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.10.10 11:55:59 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Grey Shark (Comment 54) :

    Yeah Bath was happy, but all clubs over there fall under some other union, I thought they were called the Premier Rugby League or something.

  • Comment 56, posted at 21.10.10 11:56:21 by Morné Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 51) : well cheetahs propably can’t afford him seeing the salarys they pay their players the cheetahs that is. I’m sure elgar gets paid more than louis strydom! :)

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  • @Morné (Comment 53) : I was going to mention the family thing but it just sounds so lame and chose not to, Morne you’ve got mail

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  • @Morné (Comment 47) :

    Isnt that a step in the wrong direction for the guy?

    Anybody have an idea how old the oke is?

  • Comment 59, posted at 21.10.10 12:00:35 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 59) :

    I believe he is 26…

    Let’s just say it was not a rugby decision he made.

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  • @Morné (Comment 60) :

    Catch your drift.. thank you..

    Moving right along then….

  • Comment 61, posted at 21.10.10 12:09:27 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 28) :

    Lambie is the new Tiger Woods of rugby. Oh dear!! :roll: :twisted:

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  • @Morné (Comment 60) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 61) : so what do you guys think about sending jlp out on loan for a season?

  • Comment 63, posted at 21.10.10 12:11:48 by Ben Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 62) : why is that?

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 44) :

    You dont rate ANY WP players do you??

    Last year you defended Ruan as the Bok flyhalf and we all know how that turned out.

    Grant is a much better flyhalf than most in SA. I would go as far as to say that he is a better flyhalf than any of the current Sharks flyhalves!! :roll:

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  • @Morné (Comment 60) : Turned 25 last month. On the face of it, strange decision though, much like Jacques Coetzee signing for kings, before the promotion/relegation battle is concluded.

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  • @Morné (Comment 47) :

    Thats a shame , he wouldn’t look out of place in a Top Union.

    @wpw (Comment 62) :
    :grin:

  • Comment 67, posted at 21.10.10 12:17:40 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • Am I allowed to copy and paste an article its regarding a question asked earlier about the International window ?

    To lazy to read through the T and C’s :mrgreen:

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 68) :

    Send it to Rich. He will put it up!!

    I are too lazy!! :twisted: :mrgreen:

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  • Ah wpw, you are much too clever for me. And here I thought I had my rampant anti-WP bias all hidden.

    You are as perceptive as you are good-looking.

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 70) :

    Its only cos i know you’re greedy for points!! :mrgreen:

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 71) :

    :lol: :twisted:

  • Comment 73, posted at 21.10.10 12:53:35 by wpw Reply
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  • Has Grant learnt to kick out of hand yet?

    Most people can throw a rugby ball further than he could kick it.

  • Comment 74, posted at 21.10.10 13:06:15 by McLovin Reply

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  • Going straight from banzai rugby to test rugby might not be such a good idea for Peter san.

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  • @McLovin (Comment 75) :

    :lol:

  • Comment 76, posted at 21.10.10 13:37:53 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • Didn’t John Mitchell clearly say that Elton Jantjies is not ready to play International Rugby?

  • Comment 77, posted at 21.10.10 13:39:59 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 77) :

    Who cares what he thinks?? :roll:

  • Comment 78, posted at 21.10.10 14:15:32 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 78) : Me :mrgreen:

  • Comment 79, posted at 21.10.10 14:28:31 by Greg Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 78) : He is a much better coach than PDV. So if PDV selects Elton, it would be a shame

  • Comment 80, posted at 21.10.10 14:30:32 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 80) : Jantjies also seems very dependant on King Carlos, he might be thrust far out of his comfort zone by not having KC on tour with him and giving him guidance.

  • Comment 81, posted at 21.10.10 14:34:38 by lostfish Reply
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  • Muir said JPP was too young in 2006 as well. He was wrong. Provincial coaches are naturally biased and want to ensure that their players are no at risk.

    People have short memories. Mitchell was sent packing from his last 3 clubs, amid much acrimony. I hope he does well, and he is a great technical coach, but I am still watching how this pans out.

  • Comment 82, posted at 21.10.10 14:37:41 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 82) : Anti Lions as well I see. ;-)

  • Comment 83, posted at 21.10.10 14:40:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 82) : Yeah, but judging on how he handles pressure games, namely the match against the Bulls in Loftus and the match against the Sharks in Ellis Park, he seemed to lack that something to become a Bok player now. He needs to mature a bit. Undoubtedly he is a huge talent, but lets be realistic, PDV is going to choose expereinced players 1st.

  • Comment 84, posted at 21.10.10 14:46:37 by Mocho Reply

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  • Stop typecasting, Pokkel. :lol:

    I do think that there are some unanswered questions over his temperament. But the fact that he kicks so well under pressure does seem to indicate that he has great mental strength.

  • Comment 85, posted at 21.10.10 14:57:08 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 83) : He’s not that bad, just pro-sharks, kinda what being a supporter is all about :grin:

  • Comment 86, posted at 21.10.10 15:05:44 by Greg Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 85) : And if he had some super rugby experience, and came through it unscathed, it would be a different story, with only CC experience, it’s probably too soon to make the step up to international rugby. Lambie has at least super rugby experience, albeit in a position other than flyhalf.

  • Comment 87, posted at 21.10.10 15:27:17 by Greg Reply

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  • I agree that Jantjies shouldn’t play test rugby just yet but going on tour as a ‘tourist’ won’t be such a bad thing imo.
    How much experience did Frans have when first selected for the Boks??
    And Habana?? Burger?? None of these players played Super rugby before being called up for the Boks!!

  • Comment 88, posted at 21.10.10 18:43:11 by wpw Reply
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  • Would 10 minutes from the bench against lowly Scotland be such a bad thing??
    :roll:

  • Comment 89, posted at 21.10.10 18:44:53 by wpw Reply
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  • PDV doesn’t have the balls not to take Morne Steyn et al on tour. Believe it.

  • Comment 90, posted at 21.10.10 21:06:20 by Sportbilly Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 1) : oh please really a no :evil: ;-)

  • Comment 91, posted at 21.10.10 21:08:28 by chaz Reply

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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 90) : i agree with you on that one because he had a SH!T game on Sat against the Sharks still think he is a classing player and then Lambie with him will make a good pack ;-)

  • Comment 92, posted at 21.10.10 21:15:14 by chaz Reply

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  • Not my ideal choice but I cant understand why few here are willing to play de Waal.

    Granted, he’s pretty low down on the pecking order but he has played for the Emerging Boks, kicking an absolute peach on the hooter from the sideline to win the game.
    He also, let me remind you, steered WP to the final of the Currie Cup this year, next Saturday he may just be a Currie Cup winner too.

    I think he’d be a great choice, he’s experienced and has years of play under the belt. He’s also a relatively safe choice and could make a pretty good counterfoil for the two youngsters. Maybe start with Lambie and if it goes pear-shaped bring on the experienced head.

    Grant isnt a bad choice per se, but the reality is he made his choice and is now playing in Japan, a world away from the rigours of top-tier rugby.
    That said, Jac vdW did it and he made the transition back quite easily.
    Lets be honest though – has a single person on this blog seen Grant play since since the end of the S14? I certainly haven’t.

  • Comment 93, posted at 21.10.10 21:30:18 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 93) : I have . . In Rush Hour 4! You should watch it. Featuring Jackie Chan, Chris Tucker, and new character Peter Grant.

  • Comment 94, posted at 21.10.10 21:38:26 by Mocho Reply

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    You may just be onto something wrt De Waal.
    He has scored over 1400 points in CC rugby and the NH conditions would suit him.
    I’m not a huge fan but he has been one of our better players this season and his boot has won us a few toit games!!

  • Comment 95, posted at 21.10.10 22:00:28 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 95) : why is that people seem to be randomly choosing arbitrary players for this eoyt? Every player that must get on that plane mus be someone we can call on during the world cup!!! All we’re doing now is either forging combos, or galvanising existing ones or introducing outrageous talents like jantjies to the next level.

    A guy like willem de waal is bloody waste of time!

  • Comment 96, posted at 21.10.10 22:06:14 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 96) : well me don’t like him even more than old Patoors but he did hv a what can we call it a most of a good season :roll:

  • Comment 97, posted at 21.10.10 22:12:55 by chaz Reply

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    Some of our first choice players need a break but Div is under pressure to win all the tests on tour.
    One things for sure, its not an easy task selecting a squad/team.
    Players lose form, get injured. The replacements don’t take their chances…

  • Comment 98, posted at 21.10.10 22:20:11 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 98) : well if we don’t i hope he takes a hike

  • Comment 99, posted at 21.10.10 22:22:49 by chaz Reply

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  • Our last great flyhalf was Butch! :evil: :evil:

  • Comment 100, posted at 22.10.10 09:53:52 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 100) : butch wasn’t great and he was also a stopgap after jake had cocked up with jaco & we got klapped 49-0 he resorted to butch who hadn’t played for the boks since 2003

  • Comment 101, posted at 22.10.10 10:13:43 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 96) :

    MT – Sorry but I dont agree about the testing of combos etc.
    With so many players injured and not likely to tour this group will not even resemble the tour group that goes to NZ next year.
    Most of the first-choice players are already out because of injury. Du Preez, Fourie, JPP, Johnny Smit, Guthro et al are anyway not there so the combos and settling argument falls away.

    We’ve got a choice – or should I say we had a choice.
    We could either go after the Grand Slam or the World Cup.
    Personally I would’ve preferred the Grand Slam as we havent won that in my lifetime and I’ve see us lift the Webb Ellis twice now.
    Unfortunately, due to injury and severely over-playing our top players, that choice has been taken from us and has forced us to look towards the World Cup.

    Therefore I honestly think we should send a dirt-tracker side to the home nations and get done with it.

    If we try for both the Grand Slam and the World Cup my fear is we’ll end spreading ourselves too thin and not make decent progress in either.

  • Comment 102, posted at 22.10.10 10:22:24 by VinChainSaw Reply
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