Richard Ferguson

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Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :All Blacks, Original Content, Springboks on 22 Oct 2010 at 08:04
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Three months ago the newspapers were full of stories about how Springbok coach Pieter de Villiers is going to be resting his key players ahead of the World Cup next year, by not sending them on the End of year Tour to Britain. Will this happen?

In amongst the Provisional Training Squad announced last weekend were all the names that the very same coach said he would be resting – Victor Matfield, Schalk Burger, Juan Smith, Morne Steyn. The only players not there are as a result of injury like John Smit, Fourie du Preez and Heinrich Brussouw. Does this mean the players are going on the tour or are they mainly there to give guidance as this weekend training camp is more about tactics and discussions than anything physical.

Take a look at the All Blacks team announced to take the same tour to the British Isles, it seems to me that they are sending a pretty powerful team, and the same goes for the Aussies. So how do their players manage? You don’t see Richie McCaw or Dan Carter sitting out too many NZ matches because they are tired. Their rugby bosses do things slightly differently.

For all the other rugby playing nations, there seems to be a lot of emphasis placed on how well the team performs. You won’t see a weakened International team taking the field anywhere else in the world. Why should South Africa? The big difference comes when you look at how their players are managed at provincial level.

We know the New Zealand way is to rest your core players from the Super 14 games, and the same is likely to happen next year, as we already know that Richie McCaw will be sitting out the first few rounds of the competition to take an extended break. A similar thing is currently happening in Ireland. All their players have a limit of 30 rugby matches a year, and they will not exceed that. But again, their players aren’t rested at international level, they are forced to sit out provincial games.

South Africa have seemed to catch on somewhere, pulling the Springboks from the Currie Cup for a few weeks, but is that really enough? Why not send the best possible team to the UK, but plan it properly by resting the players in the beginning of the year? Surely we know that there will be an end of year tour. Do we not take this international tour as seriously as we should?



45 Comments

  • 15. Aplon
    14. Mvovo
    13. Juan de Jongh
    12. Jean de Villiers
    11. Basson
    10. Lambie
    9. Hougaard
    8. Kanko/Duanne
    7. Alberts
    6. Schalk
    5. Hargreaves
    4. Flip vd Merwe
    3. Jannie
    2. Bismarck
    1. Beast

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.10.10 08:30:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) : I suppose you could move Basson to 14 and bring in Habana at 11.

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.10.10 08:31:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Hmmm

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.10.10 08:33:40 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Amen
    then at least we’ll hv a well rested Bok team for the WC and the young ones can get some game time in the Biks Green and Gold ;-)

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.10.10 08:36:33 by chaz Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) :

    You’d go with Flip over Bakkies?

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.10.10 08:39:36 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 5) : I’m not convinced that I would like to give Bakkies YET another chance to be honest.

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.10.10 08:41:55 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 3) : Mmmm???

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.10.10 08:42:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • “For all the other rugby playing nations, there seems to be a lot of emphasis placed on how well the team performs. You won’t see a weakened International team taking the field anywhere else in the world. Why should South Africa? The big difference comes when you look at how their players are managed at provincial level.”

    The NH are notorius for sending second string teams down South during the tests prior to the 3N.

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.10.10 08:45:24 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 8) :

    Really?

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.10.10 08:47:24 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) : Good team, I’d go with that – maybe Steyn in for Aplon, and Bekker will probably usurp Hargreaves.

    If PDivvy uses the Sharks front row during the overseas tour, SARU can’t block us from playing them during the S15…

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.10.10 08:57:23 by MerckZ Reply

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  • @MerckZ (Comment 10) : Is Bekker over his injury?

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.10.10 08:58:03 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Rich, NH teams always send weak sides on tour here, and NZ’s decision to rest their players in the 2007 WC certainly didn’t pay off.

    I believe we should send a team of players we want to test for possible inclusion in the WC, as well as established guys coming back from injury.

    That would automatically result in a perfect blend of youth and experience.

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.10.10 08:59:53 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Juan Smith or JDV to captain.

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.10.10 09:01:10 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 13) : What is your opinion on Schalk as captain? Too hot headed?

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.10.10 09:04:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 12) :

    Referring to teams not sending weaker teams, I was mostly referring to NZ and Aus.. But I hear what you are saying..

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.10.10 09:08:35 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I think he is a good captain. Rate the other higher though. Personally, I wouldn’t play him much on this tour, if at all.

    We know what he is capable of, he doesn’t need game time, and we have plenty of loosie depth.

    I would play Alberts, Smith and Potgieter with Kanko on the bench. Or perhaps even start Kanko when resting Alberts or Smith.

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.10.10 09:10:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 6) : of dat sy “vlees weer sal oorneem nie” (as per Beeld today) :roll:

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.10.10 09:15:58 by Ice Reply
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  • When u think that Guthro, Smitty, Dries Bekker, Hein Brussouw, Jean Deysel, FDP, Butch James, Wynand Olivier, Jacques Fourie and JP Pietersen are all out injured we have basically rested our core players without knowing it this year…

    Add in extended breaks this year for Jannie Du Plessis , BJ Botha, Tendai Mtawarira, Bakkies Botha, Bismarck Du Plessis, Jean De Villiers and Juan Smith.

    Only leaves Schalk, Victor, Danie, Morne and Habanero in need of a rest.

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.10.10 09:24:09 by Sportbilly Reply

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  • LO @ Ys.

    I’m sure he means it. I guess Cowan should be happy that Bakkies only headbutted him, considering that it was a weakness of the flesh that made him do it… :twisted:

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.10.10 09:36:30 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 18) : Good point ! In that case our team should look something like this:

    15 Steyn
    14 Aplon
    13 JDJ
    12 JDV
    11 Basson
    10 Lambie/grant
    9 Hougaard
    8 Kanko/Duane
    7 Smith
    6 Alberts
    5 Hargreves
    4 Bakkies
    3 Jannie
    2 Bismarck
    1 Beast

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.10.10 10:13:30 by Mocho Reply

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  • Out of our Provisional squad-
    1.Beast
    2.Bissie
    3.Jannie
    4.Bakkies
    5.Victor
    6.Burger
    7.Juan Smith
    8.Alberts
    9.Hougaard
    10.”Lambile”
    11. Mvovo
    12. JDV
    13. Jacobs
    14. Basson
    15. Kirchner…tempted to put pat and then elton at fly, but Pat must specialise at 10 from now on. Aplon…still have my doubts for 15.

    16.Chilli
    17.CJ
    18.Flip/Mossie
    19.Danie
    20.Januarie (only option)
    21.Elton Jantjies
    22. J de jongh

    Mix of youth and experience…would love to see this, but i don’t think it will look quite like this.

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.10.10 10:16:27 by JJR Reply
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  • If Mapoe had been playing for us i would definately put him in the line-up…to be honest i think when he gets going again that he is our best complete winger in SA. Deysel would have worked great as a option at 6 on the heavy overseas fields. For a huge guy he can get to the break down and steal some ball using his guns…he is also probably the best in world rugby at the bounce. Never seen anyone do it as well as he does. Alberts over Spies, because spies has a high centre of gravity and he can’t even run through or over guys on a dry highveld day…no chance he will do it in Europe. Danie has been quite effective a 8 when used on overseas tour.

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.10.10 10:24:19 by JJR Reply
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  • Does anyone here intepret dreams? :???:

    Last night I had the most bizarre (and disturbing) dream that I exposed Darren Scott for killing tortoises by chopping their tails off (for some reason they had long tails). I watched him do it. It was horrible. :cry:

    The only interpretation I can think of is that Darren Scott represented the media and the tortoises are a metaphor for Snor. But then I realised that couldn’t have been it, because why would I have exposed him? :twisted:

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.10.10 11:04:07 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 23) : Deep dude. Maybe its a sign that tortoises are going to invade the pitch next week and Darren Scott is going to chase them away.

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.10.10 11:22:38 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 24) : LOL. Then we are in for a loooooooong delay to start of play. :lol:

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.10.10 11:23:57 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 23) : Hello Klempie…jou koppie raas weer.

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.10.10 11:33:59 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 23) : too much cheese

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.10.10 11:45:15 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 26) : @Fattmann (Comment 27) :

    Actually, I started weight training last night and my mate’s got us this protein shake. Had 700ml of it afterwards and felt like gagging the whole way through. Seriously grim. I think that may have had something to do with my nocturnal brain activity. :razz:

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.10.10 11:51:07 by klempie Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 27) : Come to think of it, I did have a hunk of gouda after to take the taste away. :|

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.10.10 11:51:47 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 23) : you still havent told me about the speed trap thing dude?!

  • Comment 30, posted at 22.10.10 11:52:14 by ruggabugga Reply

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  • @ruggabugga (Comment 30) : What speed trap thing? Ohhhhhh. PigSpotter

    http://twitter.com/pigspotter

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.10.10 12:03:43 by klempie Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 26) : How are you enjoying the jersey?

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.10.10 12:07:44 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 32) : Cute avatar.

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.10.10 12:12:12 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 33) : thanks

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.10.10 12:17:11 by lostfish Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 23) :
    Allow me to help you young Padwan.

    The tortoise, of the order Testudines (note the first syllable), was a fertility symbol in ancient Greece and Rome.

    Naturally, the dream represents your fear of a male figure whom you associate with sport (Darren is a SS anchor after all) emasculating you (the cutting of the tail of your fertility symbol represents castration).

    Clearly, you harbour homoerotic feelings toward your male “roomate” and “training partner”, and fear what this imples about your masculinity.

    Allow me to be the first to reassure you that your lifestyle doesn’t affect my opinion of you. I hope you two will be happy.

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.10.10 12:48:19 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Earl Rose has been included in the Cheetahs’ provisional Super Rugby training squad.

    Rose, selected to tour with the Springboks just a year ago, fell out of favour at the Lions during the 2010 Super 14 and ended up playing club rugby in Johannesburg.

    There were media reports linking him with a move abroad, but Rose has now been thrown a lifeline by the Cheetahs, after being contracted by Griquas.

    He forms part of a 51-man training squad, which will be trimmed to 30 by late November and then by five more before the final Super Rugby squad is submitted in January 2011.

    The Cheetah have also named Lionel Mapoe in the squad despite the wing being involved in a courtroom battle where he is seeking permission to join the Sharks.

    Western Province centre Morgan Newman has a trial with the Bloemfontein franchise. The squad is further bolstered with the arrival of Bulls lock Wilhelm Steenkamp.

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.10.10 13:21:08 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 17) : Hy moet n slag sy brein laat oorneem (dis nou as hy een het). :mrgreen:

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.10.10 13:22:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • Provinces & SARU not always singing from the same hymn sheet unfortunately.

    Should be fairly straight forward to manage. Max minutes a player should play before being rested for x amount of weeks could be easily established.

    But Provinces reckon all the minutes are theirs and if a player breaks down it’s the fault of Bok rugby & Bok management feel the same.

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.10.10 13:26:20 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 35) :

    bwahahahahaahahaha :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 22.10.10 13:32:51 by wpw Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 35) : Ahhhhhhhhh!! Thank you, Obi Wan. :cool:

  • Comment 40, posted at 22.10.10 13:36:28 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 40) : I dunno wtf a Padwan is, but it sounded Star Warsish.

  • Comment 41, posted at 22.10.10 13:42:29 by klempie Reply

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  • How did Darth Vader know what Luke was buying him for his birthday?

    He felt his presents.

  • Comment 42, posted at 22.10.10 13:46:37 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 42) : :-|

  • Comment 43, posted at 22.10.10 15:09:39 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 35) : :mrgreen: :lol: and all said with a straight face

  • Comment 44, posted at 22.10.10 15:21:13 by Fattmann Reply
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  • Only players who need to rest are Matifield, Burger,Spies,Steenkamp ,Steyn and Habana everyone one else whose not injured needs to go on tour .I feel it,s more important for the players to play in the super 15 and Tri Nations New zealand leg so they can climatize to playing in New Zealand .All Blacks are resting Mccaw and maybe a few other players in the super 15 so I think resting players on the end of year tour is better idea

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.10.10 15:20:24 by zvision10 Reply

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