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Nullifying the talismans


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks, WP on 25 Oct 2010 at 11:01
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Western Province’s main challenge in the Currie Cup Final this weekend is likely to come from two men who have worn the captain’s armband at various stages in their career – both of whom are also Bok greats and talismanic players able to lift those around them.

Schalk Burger and Jean de Villiers are the key forward and back respectively around whom the WP charge is likely to centre and they are the men that the Sharks will need to nullify in order stand any chance of winning the Currie Cup for the second time in three years. The reality is, that while Province undoubtedly boast experienced players and exciting attacking threats across the park, it is the duo of Burger and de Villers who really stand out as the ones on whom this team’s lofty reputation rests. Bryan Habana is, of course, also a battle-hardened Springboks – and worryingly for the Sharks, seems to be finding form again – but if you were to choose two players whose names are the most likely to stand between the Sharks and Currie Cup glory, you’d go for Burger and de Villiers.

Rugby matches are never won on paper, of course, making it a pretty futile exercise to compare the names on the respective team sheets and try to use a comparative analysis if those to pick a winner. The fact is, a final is always a 50-50 game and this one will be no different. What is for sure, though, is that senior players who have been there before can be crucial in tipping the balance one way or the other. They are the guys to whom their less-experienced team-mates look up and while I feel the Sharks have a more experienced team overall, the fact is, they are lacking individual players of the calibre of Burger and de Villiers, particularly since neither John Smit nor Johann Muller will be there. Stefan Terblanche is the closest the Sharks have and his task on the day will be truly immense. With the loss of JP Pietersen to injury, the Sharks can now only call on the du Plessis brothers when it comes to players who have experienced winning the most important final of all – the Rugby World Cup. Province have Habana and Burger and although de Villiers never quite made it that far, he has certainly played in more pressure games for the Boks than I’ve had hot dinners.

Something else that might tip this in the home side’s favour, though, is the fact that nobody in the current WP squad has ever played in a Currie Cup final, much less won one. The core of the Sharks team, including Terblanche, the du Plessis’s, Keegan Daniel, Ryan Kankowski and Odwa Ndungane were there just two years ago. Perhaps the nerves across the team in black and white might be just that little bit more settled going into this game.

Whatever the case, for the Sharks, nullifying Burger and de Villiers simply has to be a huge part of the game plan – although not to the extent that focusing on individuals allows the visitors to dominate the tactics and flow of the game. Simply put, guys like Daniel, Willem Alberts and Dries Strauss are going to have to put in the sort of huge performances that we’ve expected from them all season, in order to apply the sort of pressure on these Province talismans needed to ensure they make mistakes. Get that right and the Cup is staying in Durban. Simple as that



117 Comments

  • But about 90% of these WP guys played in a Super rugby final not 6 months ago…

    Going to be interesting.

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.10.10 11:05:06 by Morné Reply
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  • ‘is the fact that nobody in the current WP squad has ever played in a Currie Cup final,’ Except Bryan Habana off course ;-)

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.10.10 11:12:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 1) : but they lost it :)

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.10.10 11:26:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 2) : oh shit… for WP, I meant :)

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.10.10 11:28:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • Alberts can handle Burger. A few big hits and runs should probably break one of them. Strauss is gonna have to keep up his good defensive work. I’m sad he’s leaving.

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.10.10 11:44:00 by PTAShark Reply
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  • Sharks have more than enough fire power upfront not only to nullify The Schalk & co, but also indirectly limit The Province’s backline.

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.10.10 11:48:00 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 6) : that’s what we thought heading to Newlands 3 weeks ago…

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.10.10 11:50:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : To be fair, though, that was a must win game for wp. While a loss is never a good thing, it didn’t mean that much to you guys. Add to that the fact that that was an away game, and this weekend you are at home. It is always going to be tough to lift yourself for an effectively meaningless game, this weekend should be a lot different.

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.10.10 11:55:42 by Greg Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : It’s different this time around. Alberts is back, you’re at home and this match counts.

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.10.10 11:56:32 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 8) : Snap. :smile:

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.10.10 11:57:08 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 9) : Oh and Kockott started… :twisted:

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.10.10 11:58:28 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 10) : Yeah, but I got in before you :lol:

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.10.10 11:58:34 by Greg Reply

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  • this match means MORE to WP. They are the BEST TEAM IN THE COUNTRY (just ask their supporters) and they haven’ won THEIR OWN CUP since 2001. :)

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.10.10 12:02:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • We don’t have the personnel to contain JDV if he gets space, or beat Schalk and co on the ground.

    The key to beating JDV is to put De Waal off his game, and the key to nullifying WP at the breakdown is to get over the advantage line and ruck effectively – we don’t have a traditional fetcher anyway.

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.10.10 12:17:12 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : bla bla bla.. we’re gay, yadda yadda. ugh, new material please.

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.10.10 12:17:21 by molly Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 14) : The loosies are where we’ve lost the game time and time again. If the sharks pick the right boys there, which they will and our guys don’t pitch up AGAIN… then the game is yours.
    Just like in the S14 and 1st round CC.
    Home ground also counts for ALOT.

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.10.10 12:19:15 by molly Reply
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  • The gay comments are perplexing as our team has yet to play in pink jerseys, but anyway… it WAS for a good cause :roll:

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.10.10 12:20:34 by molly Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) :
    BEST TEAM IN THE COUNTRY (just ask their supporters) :?: :?:
    That’s rich, coming from a sharks supporter :lol:

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.10.10 12:24:16 by Greg Reply

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  • Molly, you are opening a can of worms if you wanna bring up gay references.

    Not that I have anything against gay people: some of my best friends (wpw and claytie) are gay.

    @Greg (Comment 18) :
    You ill-feeling toward the Sharks is well-documented, and while we certainly are biased, I challenge you to show us to be worse than the WP propaganda machine that is keo.

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.10.10 12:28:33 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 14) : I thought de Waal was off his game by default :)

    @molly (Comment 15) : I didn’t call anybody gay… you on edge today, Molls? Want a back massage? :)

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.10.10 12:29:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 19) : I know, but its been about 30seconds since I’ve heard the gay references, so thought it’d be about time to bring it up again.

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.10.10 12:32:56 by molly Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) :
    De Waal kicks his points Rob – the kind of 10 that can win tight finals. Don’t take him lightly.

    I fink Molly made a Freudian slip there. Mayhap she mistook Robben Island for the Isle of Lesbos?

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.10.10 12:34:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 19) : True, keo is rather pro wp, and anti any one else, but here’s a challenge for you: show me a post, by me, where I needlessly and un-justifiably attack the sharks?

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.10.10 12:34:24 by Greg Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : I could do with one I won’t lie, and a cocktail or ten.

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.10.10 12:34:24 by molly Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 18) :

    Amen broer!! :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.10.10 12:36:45 by wpw Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 24) : let’s see if we can find you one :)

    Hey – Big Fish is in Cape Town :)

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.10.10 12:37:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • oh please, when does Keo ever publish anything you guys like?
    And since when is Keo a benchmark of WP supporters? Since he supports the Bulls.

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.10.10 12:38:05 by molly Reply
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  • Molly, I have tea tree, ylang-ylang, peppermint, jojoba, eucalyptus and other essential oils. Which do you prefer?

    @wpw (Comment 25) :
    Oh, look what just waddled in the door (sideways). :twisted:

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.10.10 12:45:15 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 28) : shame, I didn’t realised you had stocked up. Why so stressed?

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.10.10 12:52:19 by molly Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 19) : :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.10.10 12:57:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 5) : Ja like that broken neck stopped Schalk against Scotland….oh wait, it didnt :!:

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.10.10 13:09:19 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 31) : bring it! :)

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.10.10 13:11:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 31) : Ja, they’re sooper confident with Alberts, now that he’s been injury free for 2 weeks in a row.

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.10.10 13:12:02 by molly Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) :Consider it brought Guppies

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.10.10 13:13:03 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 33) : well, actually he does have a niggle…

    Just like Schalk :)

    Anyway, the Sharks are already handicapped by not having Cast-Iron Deysel. Advantage Province

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.10.10 13:19:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : Did you guys have Deysel in the 1st round? I honestly think its gonna come down to loosies. And against you guys in the 1st round and S14 and in the S14 final our boys were awful quiet… But I’m confident they’ve learned.
    Is there something wrong with Schalkie, where’d you hear that?

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.10.10 13:25:52 by molly Reply
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  • We’ll beat you to a pulp up front. Game won.

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.10.10 13:27:26 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 36) : Schalk and Alberts both sat out the Bok training session due to “niggles”… I know nothing more than that

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.10.10 13:30:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 19) : Not that I have anything against gay people: some of my best friends (wpw and claytie) are gay.

    Priceless.

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.10.10 13:30:56 by klempie Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 22) :

    Homer Simpson voice

    Mmmmmmm….Isle of Lesbos.

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.10.10 13:32:37 by klempie Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 28) : Waaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!!

    You are on form today boet.

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.10.10 13:33:57 by klempie Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 29) :
    Not stressed; just been silently biding my time, waiting for my shot at the big time. :lol:

    @klempie (Comment 41) :
    Have to give these Wham- wannabes a taste of cold, hard steel before the game.

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.10.10 13:39:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 42) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.10.10 13:40:04 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 40) : :)

  • Comment 44, posted at 25.10.10 13:40:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • CC wins, WP have won 32 or thereabouts. Natal/Sharks have only won 5. And this since 1889 or so. We need this just as bad as them. They may have been waiting since 2001, but we’ve been waiting 100+ years. We’ve got catching up to do. BUT, we have Alberts. Ha ha ha ha! Our time is NOW.

  • Comment 45, posted at 25.10.10 13:51:28 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 45) : How long have Natal been in the A section? Be fair.

  • Comment 46, posted at 25.10.10 13:57:16 by klempie Reply

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  • In china with no access to twitter. Anyone care to give me an update on the Twitter rugby (or whatever the F it’s called) score? Do we have to remind the Vaalies where they spend their Xmas hols?

  • Comment 47, posted at 25.10.10 14:01:07 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 46) :

    Don’t make YOUR problem ours!! :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 48, posted at 25.10.10 14:01:22 by wpw Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 46) : Still counts. :twisted:

  • Comment 49, posted at 25.10.10 14:03:51 by McLovin Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 46) : Ha ha ok to be fair our first CC was 1956. So we cam in 67 years late… But, we have Alberts! Did I mention that?

  • Comment 50, posted at 25.10.10 14:07:39 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • What VIAGRA info are there on Voldy…Spam…Virus… :lol:

  • Comment 51, posted at 25.10.10 14:08:13 by Charlie Reply

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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 50) : Actually, that was their first FINAL year, not sure when they first joined the CC. I do know they were not there in 1889 though.

  • Comment 52, posted at 25.10.10 14:10:27 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 52) : 1890 not?

  • Comment 53, posted at 25.10.10 14:17:12 by McLovin Reply

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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 52) : 1987

  • Comment 54, posted at 25.10.10 14:20:34 by Greg Reply

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  • Afternoon everyone :mrgreen:

    gee what can i say that is going to make it easy for us as fans
    nails will be eaten nerves will be :!: by Saterday well i don’t think i’ll hv any more nails and nerves left by the time the game begins

    but what the H!LL

    Sharks we can do this

    :mrgreen: GO SHARKS GO :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 25.10.10 14:24:43 by chaz Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 54) : Actually 1987 was the year they came back into the A section. Natal were one of the original five teams to contest the Currie Cup, way back in 1892. In 1981 they finished bottom of the A- section and lost the promotion/relegation with eastern transvaal, the b-section winners. They regained A-section status in 1987, when the system was re-structured to accomodate more teams.

  • Comment 56, posted at 25.10.10 14:28:23 by Greg Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : This match for us means more to us to :smile: and for me and the Shark Fans we are the best team that is why we are top of the log until we are beaten :oops:

    which i hope is only next year when they want our CC again ;-)

  • Comment 57, posted at 25.10.10 14:32:06 by chaz Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 53) : Nope. They were not.
    @Greg (Comment 54) : Nope. They were in the final in 1956.

    @Greg (Comment 56) : nope because it began in 1889. But the rest may well be accurate. Where’d you get the info? It’s hard to find!

  • Comment 58, posted at 25.10.10 14:39:43 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 58) : You need to change your screen name bru. :lol:

  • Comment 59, posted at 25.10.10 14:48:13 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 59) : Ha ha ha! But Currie Cup history is not that clear. Wish it were!

  • Comment 60, posted at 25.10.10 14:55:32 by rugbypedia Reply

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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 58) : Yes, they were in the final in 1956, while part of the A section. They lost that status in ’81, and regained it in ’87.

    Interesting article last thursday on rugby365:

    http://www.rugby365.com/tournaments/cc/news/2652941.htm

  • Comment 61, posted at 25.10.10 14:58:03 by Greg Reply

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  • I just wonder how we`re gonna repeat our motivational speeches this week?
    Surely we`ve used up our material before the Bulls match!

    Better get our thinking caps on . . .

    According to the Cape media the CC is a done deal though.
    They made some very convincing arguments over the past few days.
    The obvious : wp better backline, littered with individual stars etc
    and the not so obvious: Finals are often won by a brilliant kicker and one moment of individual brilliance ( Lucidum Intervallum ?)
    If you look at it from that perspective they definately have the inside lane . . .
    A more reliable kicker and guys like Jdv or Habana who can turn the game.

    I received some interesting comparitive ratings as well!
    Shark under Pressure in the Shadow of the Mountain! :roll:

  • Comment 62, posted at 25.10.10 15:01:53 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 60) : No, it’s not and wikipedia seems to jump from a 1892 to 1968, with no mention of what happened in between!

  • Comment 63, posted at 25.10.10 15:09:22 by Greg Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 59) :

    Dude, did you see the SA all time XI?? :roll:

    Earlier-named Cricinfo SA all-time XI: Barry Richards, Graeme Smith, Jacques Kallis, Graeme Pollock, Dudley Nourse, Aubrey Faulkner, Mike Procter, Shaun Pollock, John Waite, Hugh Tayfield, Allan Donald.

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 61) :

    ‘According to the Cape media the CC is a done deal though.’

    Please provide a link or three!! :roll: :???:

  • Comment 65, posted at 25.10.10 15:13:11 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 64) : Who picked that team, and what were they smoking when they did so?

  • Comment 66, posted at 25.10.10 15:14:31 by Greg Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 63) :
    @Greg (Comment 65) :
    What would you guys change? Pretty awesome team.

  • Comment 67, posted at 25.10.10 15:17:58 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 67) : I watched a lot of the Transvaal “Mean Machine” play cricket. Not sure how you can put together an SA all time XI with only Graeme Pollock as the representative. It’s a good side, but where is Clive Rice, Jimmy Cook, Ray Jennings to name a few. Also no Garth Le Roux, Peter Pollock?

  • Comment 68, posted at 25.10.10 15:26:46 by Greg Reply

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  • Dude!

    The Mean Machine was good, but who would you drop for the above?

    Hell, there is no Vince vd Bijl, Tiger Lance, Bunter Barlow or many others.

    Johnny Waite is the best ‘keeper we have produced, Cooke can’t compare to either of the Graeme’s, Proctor is a better all-rounder than Rice was, and Donald and Shaun P are definitely better than Garth (just pace)le Roux and Peter P.

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 66) : @Greg (Comment 65) :

    Well for one Makhaya deserves to be there!!

    And I would select Gary Kirsten ahead of Biff!! :roll:

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  • @Greg (Comment 65) :

    Well then you sure as hell don’t want to see the Greatest XI. :mrgreen:

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  • World XI: Jack Hobbs (England), Len Hutton (England), Don Bradman (Australia), Sachin Tendulkar (India), Viv Richards (West Indies), Garry Sobers (West Indies), Adam Gilchrist (Australia), Malcolm Marshall (West Indies), Shane Warne (Australia), Wasim Akram (Pakistan), Dennis Lillee (Australia)

    Second XI: Sunil Gavaskar (India), Barry Richards (South Africa), George Headley (West Indies), Brian Lara (West Indies), Wally Hammond (England), Imran Khan (Pakistan), Alan Knott (England), Bill O’Reilly (Australia), Fred Trueman (England), Muttiah Muralitharan (Sri Lanka), Glenn McGrath (Australia)

  • Comment 72, posted at 25.10.10 15:38:37 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 63) : Bloody good side. I’m guessing you’re taking umbridge with Biff’s selection. I’ve got no problem with him.

  • Comment 73, posted at 25.10.10 15:44:52 by klempie Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 69) : The problem with picking an all time side like this, is that one is never comparing apples to apples. The likes of Smith, Kallis,Pollock (Shaun) and Donald have the advantage of playing a lot of international cricket. The players I mentioned, (most of them) only got to play in rebel series, they were never really tested against the worlds best, and never got the chance to really prove their worth. Proctor was awesome, but better than Rice. If I was compiling an all time team, I certainly wouldn’t have Graeme Smith or Shaun Pollock there.

  • Comment 74, posted at 25.10.10 15:45:50 by Greg Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 69) :
    You must be smoking your socks!

    Gary Kirsten close to Biff, but Makhaya above Donald or Pollock – no ways… Maybe Donald, but remember that Donald played in a weaker side too.

    Still, those are not huge deviations.

  • Comment 75, posted at 25.10.10 15:45:57 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 67) : I followed the selection closely. I think one of the criteria was that you had to have a significant amount of Test experience. Because of isolation, many guys lost out on All-Time XI.

  • Comment 76, posted at 25.10.10 15:46:22 by klempie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 71) : Stupid. Kallis should be in World XI. Best cricketer of all time.

  • Comment 77, posted at 25.10.10 15:47:05 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 72) :

    Who the hell is Aubrey Faulkner?? :| :?:

  • Comment 78, posted at 25.10.10 15:47:14 by wpw Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 66) : Agree.

  • Comment 79, posted at 25.10.10 15:47:25 by klempie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 71) : should Murali not be in the World XI, in place of warne?? my opinion… :smile:

    just a joke for the wp supporters:

    what do you call a wp supporter with a bottle of champagne on saterday evening?? – a waiter :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 80, posted at 25.10.10 15:48:38 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 74) :

    Mike Proctor?? :roll:

  • Comment 81, posted at 25.10.10 15:48:41 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 69) : Gazza was a personal favourite of mine because he could wear the opposition down. Better than Biff? Compare their records. No contest.

  • Comment 82, posted at 25.10.10 15:49:49 by klempie Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 74) : They did this a while ago too. Given 4 years, I reckon Steyn would displace Donald.

  • Comment 83, posted at 25.10.10 15:50:49 by klempie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 70) : @Big Fish (Comment 75) : Nope, would never have Ntini in my best ever SA side, he would battle to make it into my third team :!:

  • Comment 84, posted at 25.10.10 15:51:29 by Greg Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 77) : Pre-war. :mrgreen:

    http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/45039.html

  • Comment 85, posted at 25.10.10 15:52:20 by klempie Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 73) :
    Thankfully both Proctor and Rice played provincial and county cricket – county cricket especially was very tough then.

    His records speak for themselves – several hatItricks, a few 36 run overs etc. He was a phenomenon.

    Shaun Pollock’s record can’t be questioned. Smith slightly less so, but still – who was better? Not Jimmy Cooke!

  • Comment 86, posted at 25.10.10 15:52:48 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 81) :

    Well seeing as we’re comparing records, isnt Ntini’s record superior to Donald’s?? :twisted:

    I know, I know… I’m clutching at straws!! ;-)

  • Comment 87, posted at 25.10.10 15:53:14 by wpw Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 80) : :lol: :lol:

    Reminds me of the one, what do you call an english cricket supporter with tickets to day five?

    An optomist!

  • Comment 88, posted at 25.10.10 15:53:19 by Greg Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 85) :

    Dave Callaghan was better!! :lol: :twisted:

    Remember him?? :|

  • Comment 89, posted at 25.10.10 15:55:02 by wpw Reply
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  • Steyn will replace Donald, for sure.

    Murali’s record speaks for itself. Buckets of wickets with little to no support from the other end.

    Cricinfo has never been an objective site. For example, I don’t care how many tests he played, but there is no disputing G Pollock’s pedigree. Farcical.

    Wes, read up on Proctor – bowled like Trueman and batted like Richards. A real all-rounder.

  • Comment 90, posted at 25.10.10 15:56:31 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Why is everybody so nice to each other? First it was Quantum mechanics and now cricket! Are everybody saving themselves for Friday afternoon? :roll:

  • Comment 91, posted at 25.10.10 15:56:35 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 83) :

    390 test wickets is nothing to scoff at!! :evil:

  • Comment 92, posted at 25.10.10 15:56:50 by wpw Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 86) : Would Alan Lamb qualify?

  • Comment 93, posted at 25.10.10 15:57:24 by Greg Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 90) : Without a doubt Proctor was great, so was Eddie Barlow, Clive was always my man though!

  • Comment 94, posted at 25.10.10 15:59:26 by Greg Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 92) : Absolutely, and I’m not scoffing at 390 test wickets, but the all time best? Not in my book.

  • Comment 95, posted at 25.10.10 16:01:19 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 92) :
    Not good enough, and also a landverraier. :lol:

    You can count Basil d’Oliviera if you want though. :cool:

  • Comment 96, posted at 25.10.10 16:02:23 by Big Fish Reply
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  • the best performing cc union in the history of cc is the blue bulls ( northern transvaal )..they only became a union in 1938 ( after breaking away from the transvaal )and look what they have achieved .. NOT a fan of the bulls ,but need to give credit where credit is due (remember ,plenty of the weepee`s cc titles were not won in finals ..and the bulls record in cc finals is something else .. their record in superrugby finals is also incredible )

  • Comment 97, posted at 25.10.10 16:03:01 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 61) : we need to download and send the sharks some youtube clips ..can start and end with the hit schalk burger put on pat lambie :x .. get the team psyched to go out there and take no prisoners !! shoot to kill !!! and bayonet the wounded !!!! shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarks forever !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 98, posted at 25.10.10 16:08:32 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 96) : Yeah, which is why I would never pick Kepler Wessels either :grin:

  • Comment 99, posted at 25.10.10 16:10:03 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 98) : and kevin petersen? ;-)

  • Comment 100, posted at 25.10.10 16:15:15 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 81) : comparing records is not so easy .. bradman is the ‘best of all-time”,but viv richards said that both he and clive lloyd were better than the aussie maestro because of the bowling they were facing (during the “bodyline”series ,bradman ‘only” had an average in the high 50`s ..nothing to be ashamed of ,but still almost half of the average he finished with at the end of his test career ..guess if those english boys bowled a bit nicer,he would have had an average in excess of 100 :grin: )

  • Comment 101, posted at 25.10.10 16:16:07 by bergshark Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 100) : He wouldn’t even get into my tenth team! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 102, posted at 25.10.10 16:18:06 by Greg Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 100) : also ,bradman hadit lucky in that he played sa when we were really not that good (we were the whipping boys !!! :| ) ..just go have a look at his batting stats vs sa :shock:

  • Comment 103, posted at 25.10.10 16:22:33 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 101) :
    He can’t even shine in a pretty kak Dolphins team. :roll:

  • Comment 104, posted at 25.10.10 16:24:47 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 103) : I’ve always hated that name. Dolphins. Doesn’t exactly strike fear into the hearts of the opposition does it? :|

  • Comment 105, posted at 25.10.10 16:29:54 by klempie Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 2) : willem de waal and duane vermeulen ?

  • Comment 106, posted at 25.10.10 16:34:31 by bergshark Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 104) :
    The KZN Impis! :lol:

  • Comment 107, posted at 25.10.10 16:44:31 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 106) : no good either :| : only fight when they are vastly superior in numbers to their enemies ,and when the heat gets to much,they turn tail and run..

  • Comment 108, posted at 25.10.10 16:50:51 by bergshark Reply

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  • ;-) @Big Fish (Comment 106) : the KZN rapists… (thats should strike fear into any opposition??)

  • Comment 109, posted at 25.10.10 16:51:01 by VanWilder Reply

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  • Dolphins are not as nice as people think.

  • Comment 110, posted at 25.10.10 16:55:02 by McLovin Reply

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  • why cricket in the week of the cc final :???:

  • Comment 111, posted at 25.10.10 16:56:21 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 107) :
    Wow, that’s a seriously insensitive and simplistic statement.

    @VanWilder (Comment 108) :
    That’s off-sides.

  • Comment 112, posted at 25.10.10 16:58:44 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 109) : : :?: shock: you sound like one of those japanese government officials trying to defend dolphing fishing “for scientific reasons”.. :x ( ;-) )

  • Comment 113, posted at 25.10.10 16:58:57 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 112) : Bit of a leap there. :smile:

  • Comment 114, posted at 25.10.10 17:03:52 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 111) : i thought it was an intelligent and incisive critique of your suggestion of a new name for the kzn cricket team.. .. :???:

  • Comment 115, posted at 25.10.10 17:07:15 by bergshark Reply

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  • It’s a few days before the Currie Cup final, we can’t be talking cricket, EOYT, etc… priorities guys…..we can’t let these side shows distract us. We have a job to do on Saturday and that’s to win the Currie Cup. Bismarck, Beast, Jannie, Sykes need to fire during the entire game. No need to mention Alistar as he’s been firing all season (work rate is second to none when it comes to SA locks). If these guys fire it will allow our loose trio to dominate WP, which will allow Mcleod and Lambie to get the backline going and be able to quickly pick and choose whom to pass to which will allow the likes of Ludik, Mvovo, Odwa, Keegan (expect a enormous game from him), Kanko etc to score.
    We need to come out like a house on fire both on attack and defense so that we put WP under pressure, to be honest Province hasn’t really been tested in the second round of the competition and the first time they were tested they lost the game against the Bulls. The secret is to put WP under extreme pressure and the game depends on the 4 Sharks I mentioned above. WP is a momentum team, we can’t allow them to get into the game. Come on fellow Sharks, this is our home ground, it’s our fortress, we are not going to stand back to anyone or any team. We are not in hospitable mood, we want that cup. Go SHARKS. I’m pumped.

  • Comment 116, posted at 25.10.10 22:37:14 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • This is going to be a epic titanic match really not happy I won,t be there .The Sharks have to nulify Wp on the ground and put Duvenage and Dewaal under pressue .If they can,t do that and get sucked into a loose running match there in trouble .

  • Comment 117, posted at 26.10.10 05:07:14 by zvision10 Reply

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