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Lions announce Mapoe signing – much to Frikkie’s surprise


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Lions, Original Content, Sharks on 3 Nov 2010 at 14:39
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Well, after hastily cancelling their press conference that was scheduled for yesterday, the Lions have confirmed that they have signed Lionel Mapoe. An announcement went up on their web site today, after Cheetahs CEO Harold Verster also came out if hiding to confirm that a deal has indeed been done.

There was a fair bit of smiling, backslapping and mutual congratulatory hugging dished out, as Harold, who is now seemingly on first terms with Lions backers Robert Gumede and Ivor Ichikowitz, praised the pair for the manner in which they handled the negotiations. As swipes at the Sharks go, it wasn’t particularly subtle, but that’s our Hard-up Harold just being himself. The Lions cash must have seemed like a gift from above to the broke Cheetahs, who had made a moral stand not to take any money from the Sharks, even though they knew deep down they really needed it.

While the unbridled joy down at the Coke Tank is enough to bring a tear to the eye, though, Zeena Isaacs of Business Day caught of with Frikkie Erasmus, the lawyer representing Mapoe and also one of Lions CEO Manie Reynecke’s ABSOLUTE FAVOURITE people in the whole world, after a string of high-profile and embarrassing court defeats over the last year. As far as Frikkie was aware, preparations were well under way to proceed with Mapoe’s appeal against Judge Corne van Zyl’s ruling that he should not be allowed to join the Sharks.

According to the Business Day article, Erasmus said that “everything was done under cover because as far as I am concerned we are still working on the appeal for the Sharks next week. This is a complex situation because even if the Cheetahs allow him to go to the Lions, he still has a contract with the Sharks, and since the Sharks have paid his salary for the past five months and put him up in accommodation, they could sue him if they want to.”

This one is far from over, methinks.

Two things are for absolutely bloody sure, though, in my opinion. Firstly, any union that TOUCHES this player now must be completely mad. It will, in fact, give me great pleasure when he walks out on his Lions contract too as soon as he receives a big-money European offer. Secondly, the Sharks have now wasted a lot of money chasing this one and while it would be very tempting to get involved in a petty follow-up suit here to try and recoup some costs, I doubt there’s any real moral high ground left in this situation. Better to walk away and spend Mapoe’s salary elsewhere.



138 Comments

  • Walk away, if you want to. Reminds me of a song?

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.11.10 14:43:22 by Sportbilly Reply
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  • Gun for hire.

    I wouldn’t want him to come and play for the Sharks now even if he offered to play for free.

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.11.10 14:44:19 by lostfish Reply
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  • To sue or not to sue, that is the question

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.11.10 14:46:57 by war1 Reply
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  • Agree with you entirely. Anyway the way Verster and his team are going once they have collected their 10th S14/S15 wooden spoon they will be replaced by the EP Kings and we will have our satisfaction then

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.11.10 14:50:18 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 1) : it’s ok, if you need to.

    But then it gets weird

    You can run, but you can never hide… from the shadow that’s creeping up beside you.

    Lwazi Mvovo, perhaps? Coming to tackle the SNOT out of him?

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.11.10 14:53:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 2) : I don’t think him offering to play for free is a realistic concern, to be honest…

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.11.10 14:57:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : what is mapoe`s response to this? was he there at the announcement?

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.11.10 14:58:44 by bergshark Reply

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  • [email protected] Rob!

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.11.10 14:58:57 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 2) : skill for hire ..

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.11.10 14:59:30 by bergshark Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 2) : wait,wait,wait!! for free !!! sure,i`d have him!! :smile: ..lets give this a bit of time till we `ve heard mapoe`s response(is he in agreement with this agreement)

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.11.10 15:01:37 by bergshark Reply

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  • this deal was done behind the back of mapoe and the sharks ,i believe ..lets give mapoe the benefit of the doubt here till proven otherwise..

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.11.10 15:04:16 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : any response from mapoe yet? is he still in dbn?

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.11.10 15:07:08 by bergshark Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 2) : @robdylan (Comment 5) : Why are you being like this against Lionel? The guy obviusly just wat to play rugby asap. You should point these ill feelings at the pityfull, inferior, just trying to get some media time Lions and Cheetahs rugby unions and there management.

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.11.10 15:09:00 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • All I have to say is that Frikkie Erasmus is a LEGEND!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.11.10 15:09:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 10) : the article sais he has signed or am I reading it wrong?

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.11.10 15:09:29 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • I think Mapoe is being very badly advised.

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.11.10 15:11:09 by McLovin Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 12) : this is only my opinion, but mapoe knows all about this. it is not something his agent and the lions done behind his back. On all his facebook status for the last 2 weeks you can see what he was planning. well played mapoe. i still think he`s a jersey collecter ;-) good luck lionel

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.11.10 15:12:06 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 12) : we believe he is in Joburg. There is no way this could have been done without his knowledge. Anyway, he has been hinting at this on his facebook page for a while.

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.11.10 15:12:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) : well, would be interesting to see what will happen on the 12th of November… what a mess.

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.11.10 15:14:02 by VanWilder Reply

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  • So Mapoe now has 3 contracts….I wonder who’ll be next?

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.11.10 15:14:55 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 15) : the cheetahs believe they hold the “right”to the player,therefore i suppose they believe they can negotiate with other unions (except the sharks ,that is :x )on the player`s future..he has almost become something of an asset to be sold to the highest bidder (from a cheetah point of view)it seems :sad: :x ..until this is confirmed by the player and his agent ,i say (or rather,i write :grin: ) :lets just wait a bit before we get all upset at lionel mapoe ..

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.11.10 15:15:16 by bergshark Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 17) : @robdylan (Comment 18) : :| :-(

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.11.10 15:17:03 by bergshark Reply

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  • So are the Sharks still paying him a salary?

    Were the Cheetahs paying him a salary until today?

    Will the Lions now start paying him a salary?

    Will the Sharks now stop paying his salary?

    Wat n gemors. :roll:

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.11.10 15:18:54 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : guess we could`ve signed mike rhodes ,then :sad:

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.11.10 15:19:17 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 24) : :cry:

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.11.10 15:19:52 by bergshark Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 23) : yeah,in total agreement with you on this one :wat `n gemors :|

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.11.10 15:20:58 by bergshark Reply

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  • If Mapoe is party to this I say : sue him.

    In a way it is very sad. Move like that can really destroy his career.

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.11.10 15:21:45 by rekinek Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 22) : perhaps he is cleverer than we all think : perhaps he is now on 3 salaries :mrgreen:

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.11.10 15:22:51 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : did you message him about this? you should`ve posted something on his fb wall or something..this is not good news :sad: i totally rate mapoe

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.11.10 15:22:56 by bergshark Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 28) : :grin:

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.11.10 15:23:38 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : can you get any confirmation from your contacts at the tank?

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.11.10 15:25:35 by bergshark Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 16) : if it is true that he has moved to the lions,i agree with you ..sarpa also is just one big joke :x

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.11.10 15:27:14 by bergshark Reply

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  • http://www.lionsrugby.co.za/images/stories/lego/comp2.jpg

    he must have known ???

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.11.10 15:31:43 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 32) : That will look nice next to his Sharks and Cheetahs jerseys :twisted:

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.11.10 15:33:20 by war1 Reply
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  • Glad this mess is over.

    Now, can we PLEASE get to work on developing Sithole and Ojiambo!?

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.11.10 15:33:41 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 27) : or maybe, he signed for the lions to get out of his fs contract, and will move directly to the sharks after they recieve a transfer clearence from the fs. an evil ploy from plumtree and mitchell… :twisted: :lol:

    anyways, back to reality everyone… now we can start looking forward to the juniors…

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.11.10 15:35:15 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 33) :

    lol .. yea .. thats why im not very please about this .. next year he will be unhappy about the building phase the lions are going through ( or what ever it is ) and then he will join the WP or somewhere …

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.11.10 15:35:24 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 35) : since the Sharks legal team is so well acquainted with the lions contracts :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.11.10 15:38:09 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 36) : oh well, i agree with you. It all looks suspicious and now mapoe raised from a victim to a bit of a cunning figure. and the problem is he’s the only one to loose out on this. Not like it is going to hurt any of the unions.

    Actually now the Sharks look like victims, will do wonders for their pr :roll:

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.11.10 15:41:25 by rekinek Reply
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  • PLUM AND MITCH WILL BE ON TOP OF THIS LONG BEFORE IT WAS EVEN ROOMERed…SO this is it…MAPOE WAS LET GO…the other thing…mapoe has in his short career never played one game as good as mvovo….SO let the youngster chase his tale, if he goes big he will find his way back to the union that treated him so well…

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.11.10 15:45:56 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • :???:

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.11.10 15:50:20 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 4) :

    Wondering who the ‘we’ is here ..your family and friends …all Sharks supporters ..pretty big ‘we’..

    Anyhow it seems that the biggest loser in this farce has been the Sharks and Mapoe.

    I agree , I’ll hold off judgement on the guy ..give him a break.

    Its typical SA Rugby poltics , its like something out of a cross between Murder she wrote and the Jerry Springer show.
    Shocking that now days things can’t be done openly and with some honesty and dignity.

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.11.10 15:58:17 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • Ha-ha good old Facebook and Twitter :lol: hilarious!

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.11.10 16:00:49 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 13) : The way he has acted he has basically said F U to the Sharks after all they did for him. Not a nice way to treat people.

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.11.10 16:01:33 by lostfish Reply
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  • not 3 salaries but 4 when he runs out in a bok jumper

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.11.10 16:05:36 by prgdad Reply

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  • Guys, let not be sour about this; I think all of us felt a bit uneasy about the Mapoe signing – maybe there is a lesson in this for the Sharks. Ultimately, I guess the kid just wants to pay. All well and good – as long as he pays the Sharks back the money he accepted.

    Seriously – have a look at Sithole and Ojiambo and tell me if you think we are short of quality wings.

    Hell, even Lindeque is quicker than Mapoe!

  • Comment 46, posted at 03.11.10 16:15:59 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 32) : f*cking DOUCHE.

    Not you… him.

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.11.10 16:17:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • :lol: busted !

    Thats a smile of a guy earning 3 times the amount :cool:

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.11.10 16:20:32 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 47) : sorry – you know it’s nothing personal against you or Whindy or Walter or any of the Lions supporters I know personally.

    but f*ckit the look on Reynecke’s face is enough to make you cotch.

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.11.10 16:33:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) :

    Hey dude I know , it is bad form. Most unfortunate , this bad karma follows him to the Lions now ..Not good !

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.11.10 16:35:56 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • According to rugby365 Lionel and his lawyer are parting ways and the Sharks will try and recoup some of his salary costs.

    http://www.rugby365.com/tournaments/cc/news/2658061.htm

  • Comment 51, posted at 03.11.10 16:56:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 20) : Wonder if he`s collecting 3 pay cheques as well . . . :twisted:

    Seriously though he should look for better representation.

    Does he have the same agent as Bakkies who announced he was going to France then couldn`t?

  • Comment 52, posted at 03.11.10 16:57:44 by Original Champion Reply
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  • Good to see some of you have finally realized that Mapoe and his lack of ethics are bad news.
    Let him go join the reject team in Jhb and move on.

  • Comment 53, posted at 03.11.10 17:03:09 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Think this whole sad saga lays with the Cheetahs. They just never wanted Sharks to have Mapoe. We would have paid them a transfer fee but Cheetahs never wanted to negotiate with us at all. Seems they would have let Mapoe go anywhere but the Sharks.

    Can we still keep Strauss now :mrgreen: :oops: Wish we could be that spiteful.

  • Comment 54, posted at 03.11.10 17:06:01 by Puma Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 52) : Don’t think it has anything to do with Mapoe rather the Cheetahs. Also don’t think Lions are a reject team. They wont be next year that is for sure. They looked really good this CC.

  • Comment 55, posted at 03.11.10 17:07:53 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 53) : Sharks offered Free State exactly the same transfer fee as the Lions, but Verster said “your money is no good here”

  • Comment 56, posted at 03.11.10 17:21:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : Rob this whole saga really annoys me about the Cheetahs. Just out of spite they would not let Mapoe go to Sharks but agrees with the Lions.

    How I wish we could just keep Strauss out of spite too.

  • Comment 57, posted at 03.11.10 17:46:18 by Puma Reply

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  • Cheers Rob out of here now.

    Will put a post tomorrow for Strauss that thread.

  • Comment 58, posted at 03.11.10 17:46:57 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 57) : Meant on the Strauss thread here.

  • Comment 59, posted at 03.11.10 17:47:22 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 54) :

    Of coarse the Cheetahs acted out of spite. Understandable based on how the Sharks’ view the Free State as their backyard, but that is different matter.

    Mapoe was free to believe he is underpaid, he was free to want to leave, he was free to fight the validity of his contract to the highest court, but while it was going on he should have showed up for work everyday and gave his best. Professionals all over the world do that all the time.

    The Sharks’ ethics in the matter is questionable also. They employed him whilst knowing he had a valid contract with the Cheetahs. Hopefully the money lost will be a good lesson there.

  • Comment 60, posted at 03.11.10 17:51:58 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : What goes around comes around. Karma is a bitch.

  • Comment 61, posted at 03.11.10 17:56:23 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 61) : ????? .. would like to know the influence of pdivvy and dickey muir in this signing ..we all know dickey is director of coaching at lions ..suddenly in the same time period that we hear talk of mapoe signing with the lions ,we hear rumours of him being told to get ready to join eoyt ..suspicious? YOU BETCHA!!!!!!!!! so dickey offered him a spot in the boks if he signs with the lions after convincing pdivvy that it is in the best interest of sa rugby to get a talented player as mapoe back on the pitch ..but to get him to forsake the sharks,dickey had to somehow convey it to mapoe that if he doesnt play ,he wont be eligible for bok selection ..unless ,that is ,he signs with the bok assistant`s union ,the lions ,then dickey can pull the strings to ensure mapoe joins the boks on eoyt.. :twisted: :x :evil: :|

  • Comment 62, posted at 03.11.10 18:09:06 by bergshark Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 53) : nooo!!!! the ones with out the ethics here are dickey miur,pdivvy ,verster !!!!

  • Comment 63, posted at 03.11.10 18:12:25 by bergshark Reply

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  • I think this is a good thing for us guys! What if he came and played for us and we paid him 50k a month just for example and after 6 months he hears he can get 150k a month overseas do you really think he’ll stay with the sharks then after walking out on the cheetahs and the sharks now! And this isn’t just so he can return to the rugby field he could have waited to hear the result of the appeal and then decide! He signed the contract at FS! Got no more respect for him

  • Comment 64, posted at 03.11.10 18:13:59 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : read my comment 62 ..try and find some info if you can on what i am suggestion went down ..because i reckon that`s how it went down .. :x

  • Comment 65, posted at 03.11.10 18:14:16 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 64) : the word is we were paying him 80k per month

  • Comment 66, posted at 03.11.10 18:18:15 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 64) : and he had access to our training facilities and we helped him with his rehab

  • Comment 67, posted at 03.11.10 18:19:22 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 65) : haha that is ridicilous!

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  • :x

  • Comment 69, posted at 03.11.10 18:23:01 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 68) :this is sa rugby ,remember..

  • Comment 70, posted at 03.11.10 18:24:12 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 66) : if I were the sharks I’d sue the living shit out of him he would have to sell everything including he’s last pair of underwear just to pay the sharks back!

  • Comment 71, posted at 03.11.10 18:24:29 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 68) :pdivvy himself entered into the whole mapoe saga by saying he wish it could be resolved because he wants to see mapoe play so that he can see if he is ready for the boks ..

  • Comment 72, posted at 03.11.10 18:26:44 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 69) : that what is not true?

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  • bergshark
    You can’t be serious! :shock:
    Your conspiracy theory is just laughable!!

  • Comment 74, posted at 03.11.10 18:27:24 by wpw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 71) : i would much rather prefer to know if there was perhaps some underhanded involvement from the bok assistant and pdivvy in all this ..to make the lions signing happen ..the cheetahs were not going to budge to the sharks (rob wrote we offered the cheetahs the same as the lions ,but out of spite they declined)

  • Comment 75, posted at 03.11.10 18:30:44 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 62) :

    If all your conjecture is true then yes.

    But my assertions about Mapoe and the Sharks are not based on conjecture.

  • Comment 76, posted at 03.11.10 18:31:32 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 61) : completely plausible…

  • Comment 77, posted at 03.11.10 18:31:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 74) : oh c`mon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!you seriously that naive to think this could not happen in sa rugby ????????????????????????????????????????????? rather investigate this before shooting down the theory…

  • Comment 78, posted at 03.11.10 18:33:28 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 74) : he isn’t gonna play for the lions before the end of year tour so what’s the use could just as well have waited for the appeal!

  • Comment 79, posted at 03.11.10 18:34:00 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 63) :

    So can (and will) every player that receives a better offer.

    The Sharks were shortsighted as well as unethical. A system where player contracts mean nothing will be very bad for all the unions.

  • Comment 80, posted at 03.11.10 18:35:25 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 77) : thanks ..anything is possible in sa rugby ..anything bad to the game,that is :sad:

  • Comment 81, posted at 03.11.10 18:36:50 by bergshark Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 79) : that’s 1hy one should think before signing a contract and make sure of the “fine script”

  • Comment 82, posted at 03.11.10 18:39:12 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 79) : but it seems as if he is gonna play for the boks.. im saying:what if signing with the lions to go on eoyt with the boks was the carrot dangled infront of his nose?

  • Comment 83, posted at 03.11.10 18:39:15 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 82) : very possible but in my eyes very unlikely!

  • Comment 84, posted at 03.11.10 18:41:15 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 82) : the cheetahs took mapoe for a ride ..and basically still are by raher sending him to joburg even though he liked it in durbs ..

  • Comment 85, posted at 03.11.10 18:43:01 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 82) : and what a coward mapoe would be! To go and play for the boks and knowing deep inside you didn’t deserve your spot but were bribed into it!

  • Comment 86, posted at 03.11.10 18:43:10 by Ben Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 80) : but were the sharks the only union “guilty”of this accusation ??

  • Comment 87, posted at 03.11.10 18:45:34 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 86) : :sad: :x

  • Comment 88, posted at 03.11.10 18:47:40 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 86) : to be honest though,i think he would`ve been good enough to have made the bok team if he could `ve played more rugby this year ..

  • Comment 89, posted at 03.11.10 18:50:56 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 88) : its his own fault he couldn’t play rugby this year so tough shit for him. That’s how I feel

  • Comment 90, posted at 03.11.10 18:54:35 by Ben Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 80) : did you not read the article where kanko ,jpp and smitty declined much bigger money offers from the lions than what the sharks were offering them?? there still are players with loyalty ..there still are players who value the jersey and have unfulfilled dreams they want to realise in a certain jersey..loyalty is not dead ..

  • Comment 91, posted at 03.11.10 18:55:31 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 83) : I’m with bergshark… I don’t see this as unlikely at all

  • Comment 92, posted at 03.11.10 18:56:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) : what happened to not talking politics on your website???? ;)

  • Comment 93, posted at 03.11.10 19:01:40 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 93) : sa rugby is in such a bad state because of all this back-stabbing :sad: ..sure ,we win the odd title here or there,but we are not dominating the way we should with all our talent :x and that makes me angry!! so many deals cut under the table ..so many whispers heard in dark corners ..zero transparency ..these rugby officials are a corrupt bunch !! why cant fs rugby find a true rugby man in that whole province??? rather than carry-on with verster!!

  • Comment 94, posted at 03.11.10 19:10:10 by bergshark Reply

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  • But like I said I have no more respect for the guy and that’s why I’m saying its possible but if you stop and think hard about it its pretty much a looooooong shot.

  • Comment 95, posted at 03.11.10 19:10:12 by Ben Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 77) :

    ‘ rather investigate this before shooting out a theory…’

    There fixed it for you ;-)

  • Comment 96, posted at 03.11.10 19:15:09 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 93) : i would love to see a true rugby man become president of fs rugby ..

  • Comment 97, posted at 03.11.10 19:16:08 by bergshark Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 96) : im shooting out this theory in the hope that some journalist with the time,money ,contacts ,and journalistic skills can prove the theory right or wrong ..

  • Comment 98, posted at 03.11.10 19:18:17 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 93) :

    Hey cheer up its not all doom and gloom ..you recall the state of affairs beginning of this decade …

    Sure stuff goes on but inbetween all this we’ve won a WC , couple Tri-Nations , Lions tour , Super finalists and winners ..

  • Comment 99, posted at 03.11.10 19:18:18 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 96) : maybe jake white :)

  • Comment 100, posted at 03.11.10 19:19:51 by Ben Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 97) :

    Im sure in time the truth will emerge asto exactly how it all went down.

    Now is the time to put energy into the Boks screw the sideshow for now , we have all of next year to get stuck in :mrgreen:

    Frosty reception at the Tank Im sure will be on the cards :grin:

  • Comment 101, posted at 03.11.10 19:21:56 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 99) : you seem to forget a 50-odd walloping at loftus vs all blacks in 2003 :sad: .. you seem to forget that the all blacks have won more tests vs the boks then we have against them .. you seem to forget the 2003 wc campaign ..i would hate to go on ,so i wont.. :sad:

  • Comment 102, posted at 03.11.10 19:23:51 by bergshark Reply

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  • Goodness me! Are we still on this?

    I don’t think there is any need to theorise about Muir making underhand promises – Mapoe would be playing behind 3 Bok wings at the Sharks! Also, he probably is just dying to play, and the Lions have the unused Smit/ JPP money.

    Let’s not go too far out on a limb here! Just walk away guys – Mapoe has screwed himself more than us here, and I’m sure he will end up paying the Sharks money he collected from them.

  • Comment 103, posted at 03.11.10 19:24:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 101) : there will be 21 other lions deserving of a hiding ..wont be seeking him out for special attention ..sharks must keep focus and HAMMER all 22 lions :evil:

  • Comment 104, posted at 03.11.10 19:26:14 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 92) : askies? What doe this have to do with politics?

  • Comment 105, posted at 03.11.10 19:29:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 102) : if he knew he’s gonna be playing behind 3 bok wings which he would have known then if he didn’t like it he shouldn’t have signed with us! But I agree with you he is only screwing himself and his turning the screw more and more

  • Comment 106, posted at 03.11.10 19:29:18 by Ben Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 101) :

    Sure but you focusing on the negative…you seem to forget we are the ONLY team to atleast manage to beat the ABs more often than any other team , A record we should be proud of considering the class of the ABs over the years bar a year or two.

    @bergshark (Comment 103) :

    Not gonna happen :razz:

  • Comment 107, posted at 03.11.10 19:30:32 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 104) : rugby politics! Haha just kidding Rob

  • Comment 108, posted at 03.11.10 19:31:01 by Ben Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 103) : the whole thing just leaves a bitter taste in the mouth..and you right,it is deflecting attention from what was an awesome performace by the sharks (vs bulls and weepee)..but,what if it is what happened ? who is the deserving player robbed of a place on the eoy? dont shoot it down because it sounds crazy ..remember the theory(fact :grin: ) of the earth being flat?

  • Comment 109, posted at 03.11.10 19:31:19 by bergshark Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 107) : are you saying we are the (proudly) second best rugby team in the world :shock: i cant live with that !!!!!!!! numero uno bokke !!! anything less is not springbokrugby ..that sounds arrogant,but that is the passion i have for the green-and-gold !!!always number one !!always the best!!

  • Comment 110, posted at 03.11.10 19:35:07 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 108) :
    I don’t believe that either of Muir or PDV would stoop to that level, despite their faults. In any event, JPP and Habana will be the starting WC wings – the best 2 by a country mile.

    Mapoe is gone – let’s move on. And like CSB says, let’s not get too depressed just yet.

    2011 is shaping up to be a great year for Bok rugby – thanks to all the injuries, suspensions (rested players) and losses (new ideas).

  • Comment 111, posted at 03.11.10 19:36:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 107) : the class of the abs ?? then where are/were the bok coaching staff looking at what there is tactically,technically to give the boks the edge? why weren`t they putting in the extra hours behind the scenes? looking at what can give the boks parity or the edge against the “class of the abs”..

  • Comment 112, posted at 03.11.10 19:40:23 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 109) :

    Would be nice to be number one all the time absolutley but in any sport who is ..sooner or later things change ..keeps things interesting and sportsman humble.

    Just harness that feeling when the bokke win ..and remember it when we aren’t winning.

    @Big Fish (Comment 110) :

    You are spot on ! there is a silver lining here perhaps exactly what was needed for us to be really competive next year. re- 2011

    Gonna be spoilt for choice !

  • Comment 113, posted at 03.11.10 19:43:27 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 111) : we should not have great years and then lean years..great highs and great lows… this is not a roller-coaster ride!!! this is springbok rugby..

  • Comment 114, posted at 03.11.10 19:44:29 by bergshark Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 113) : “would be nice to be number one all the time”.. yes,then lets make it happen..

  • Comment 115, posted at 03.11.10 19:47:26 by bergshark Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 113) : so now we must console ourselves with silverlinings? ( im not trying to be derogatory ,CSB,i want you to see that being number one is what bokrugby is all about..the boks arent there to just compete and pat the winner on the back..no,they are there to raise the trophy !! to win,win ,win ..why then prepare?why then even sing the national anthem?why then tackle the opponent?)

  • Comment 116, posted at 03.11.10 19:52:01 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 114) :

    Okay then lets… starting by beating Ireland this weekend ! :cool:

  • Comment 117, posted at 03.11.10 19:53:19 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 115) :

    Whats the weather like on your planet ? ;-)

    There are winners and there are losers ..simple..

    Every major team that goes to the WC or Tri/6 nations believe they can win and train for it accordingly ..but the reality is only 1 team can win…and i shout and scream hoping its us …but not always ..tough titties !

  • Comment 118, posted at 03.11.10 19:57:13 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 115) :

    Hey i never said you need consoling ..but on second thoughts Im sure you do when we lose …

  • Comment 119, posted at 03.11.10 20:01:57 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 118) : when you go into a comp with that attitude,then :congrats!!you are halfway there to collect the losers medal ;-)

  • Comment 120, posted at 03.11.10 20:02:19 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 45) : i think you meant the guy just want to play. IMO the guy just want to be paid well for playing. sure the Cheetahs would let him play.

    all about money, as it make the world go round. not trying to be judgmental it’s just as it is…

  • Comment 121, posted at 03.11.10 22:21:48 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 51) : a lawyer is as good as his instruction …
    perhaps mapoe should figure out what he wants first.

  • Comment 122, posted at 03.11.10 22:25:34 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : they have not heard about pecunia non olet :lol:

  • Comment 123, posted at 03.11.10 22:27:32 by rekinek Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 59) : considering the salaries cheetahs offer to their players no wonder they are ripe for picking :roll:

    i think vodacom may drop them soon then it’s gonna be even worse.

  • Comment 124, posted at 03.11.10 22:29:57 by rekinek Reply
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  • I really rate Mapoe,lets just wait and see what happens and what Mapoe has to say.

  • Comment 125, posted at 03.11.10 23:30:34 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 7) : I want the guy in the team,@ 13

  • Comment 126, posted at 03.11.10 23:32:01 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • Vodacom have already dropped the Cheetahs

  • Comment 127, posted at 03.11.10 23:55:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • Saw this on a new online site not media 24
    We are very annoyed with Lionel and we question his integrity and ethics,” Van Zyl told The Times.

    “We have spent months rehabilitating him here in Durban, paying him substantially more than he was being [paid] by Free State and ensuring that he would be fit and well by the time he was able to play for us when we finally had a clearance certificate.

    “Last week I heard rumours that Lionel was talking to another union. We sent him home to Queenstown at the weekend to see his partner and their baby, but it later emerged he’d met with Lions shareholders Robert Gumede and Ivor Ichikowitz at his flat in Durban.

    “We are going to sue Lionel for his wages, costs and damages. I don’t know who will pay, whether it will be the Lions, the shareholders or the player, but someone is going to have to pay up.

  • Comment 128, posted at 04.11.10 06:00:30 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 128) : glad to hear they want the money back!

  • Comment 129, posted at 04.11.10 07:32:45 by Ben Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 128) :

    As it should be, we all have to pay for the decisions that we make in life. Why should Mapoe be any different?

    However, I do think that the Sharks should identify one of the u21 wings, and bring him through in place of Mapoe.

  • Comment 130, posted at 04.11.10 07:36:34 by Bump Reply

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  • @Bump (Comment 130) : what’s the rush? We’ve got odwa mvov’s jpp and zuks don’t really need more wings now!

  • Comment 131, posted at 04.11.10 07:45:10 by Ben Reply
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  • ‘I’m warming up the cheque book’…hehehehe..team of mercenaries… looks like we’ve passed on the baton to the Lions. Watch the Lions’ fans now tell us that this is the professional era, money talks etc!! I don’t know why but I expected more from Mapoe, he could have at least told the Sharks what he was planning ages ago. It’s fine, he is a youngster and still very new to this, he clearly has a lot to learn, nonetheless, we can’t force a player to play for us, we wish him well. It’s high time we see John Mitchell as the Lions coach and not a Lions coach who is a friend of the Sharks, he knew we were fighting for Mapoe and went for him anyway. Enough about Mapoe, no point in wasting energy, let’s let our legal team sort it out.
    I read the Cheetahs were interested in Morgan Newman, does anyone have news on this? We are in desperate need of centre depth, especially centres that have that have a X-factor and Morgan Newman fits the bill ,and can compliment Meyer well. We need to get a hold of his agent asap.

  • Comment 132, posted at 04.11.10 07:49:15 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 131) :

    No rush, but the Sharks management obviously felt that we needed another wing in the squad, as such they contracted Mapoe.

    The super15 is a long and intense competition, and an additional wing that is able to cover outside center, will be a welcome addition.

  • Comment 133, posted at 04.11.10 07:51:20 by Bump Reply

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  • “We have, through the difficult times in 2009 and this year, assured our fans that we are working hard to turn things around and promised them that we would succeed. I think we are now fulfilling that promise – and more pleasant news could soon be announced,” Reyneke said.

  • Comment 134, posted at 04.11.10 08:53:22 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 132) :

    Baton ..surely you jest…

    And erm yes it is the proffesional era …and ..???

    Quick to forget Alberts and Ludik are we …

  • Comment 135, posted at 04.11.10 08:54:33 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 135) : alberts and ludik soo last season now mapoe is the news :mrgreen:

  • Comment 136, posted at 04.11.10 09:53:47 by rekinek Reply
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  • :shock: This is REALLY KAK from the TOP :evil: :twisted:

    What has the Cheeatahs against our team go to COURT ETC just to keep him and let him go to the SNOILS did the Snoils offer more money or has the TOP Guns sth together c it the way u want to but this is nt good i hope they all rot in :???:

    Sharks top Guns ask ur money back in court for all the legal fees they paid just to get him :roll:

  • Comment 137, posted at 04.11.10 10:35:39 by chaz (Black & White forever) Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 128) : I think the Sharks are going to battle with any case against Mapoe… the coiurts have ruled we didn’t have a valid contract with him (hence the instruction that he return to the Cheetahs). Without a valid contract, we were effectively paying him “out of the goodness of our hearts” and will have no legal claim for re-imbursement of monies paid to him.

    Funny that we’re now upset with the Lions after we tried exactly the same under-handed tactics… pot calling the kettle black if you ask me!

    As far as I’m concerned, the Cheetahs, Sharks and the Lions were all playing the “contractural” vs “legal” game… and all’s fair in love and war. The only person playing without integrity here is Mapoe!!!

  • Comment 138, posted at 04.11.10 12:23:05 by CS Reply

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