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The Springbok team, who would you select?


Written by Maria Delport (Letgo)

Posted in :Admin, Original Content, Springboks on 3 Nov 2010 at 14:25

I haven’t written an article on Sharksworld in a while. We have so many great authors making an input, I felt like my contribution would be excess. I have noticed that not one of these great authors has discussed the Springbok squad in detail yet, and I would really like to see everyone’s opinion on who they think would be the best 15 guys to run out against Ireland on Saturday.  So let’s start this off by discussing the players available to us for selection.

Fullback

Frans Steyn will only be available from next week so the guys we have left are Gio Aplon and Zane Kirchner.  They both have played fullback for the Boks in recent times and have both done a decent job of it. Aplon is probably the more exciting player, but maybe in the weather we’re expecting for this game, the man so lovingly called Krusty by Sharkworlders might just be the better option. We could also look at Ruan Pienaar as an option at fullback; he played in this position during the 2009 Tri nations and many of his appearances for the Boks has been in this position. Unfortunately the fact that he is one of only two scrumhalfs in the squad would make this selection a little risky. I also don’t like the idea of selecting players out of position unless you absolutely have no other choice. That’s why I will only briefly mention that Morne Steyn has played some of his rugby at fullback and would also not be a horrible selection at the back. He’s save just like Kirchner, is a better tactical kicker than Zane and a brilliant goal kicker. It would also have the added bonus of opening up the fly half position to one of the exciting players we have available to us.

Wings

The question here is will you go for form, or reputation. Bryan Habana is still not back to the player we know he can be. He has shown glimpses in a few games for Province, but let’s be honest the two form wings in South Africa at the moment is Bjorn Basson and Lwazi Mvovo. Gio Aplon could also be an option if you don’t use him at the back. I think at the end of the day it will come down to combinations. Bryan Habana is probably not a bad option, since putting together a back three with only a few caps between them could be disastrous. I would really like to see Mvovo get his first cap this weekend, he’s a strong runner and a game breaker, if the ball goes out wide Mvovo needs very little room to make something happen. I also like that he’s strong on his feet and stays upright in the tackle, which means he hardly ever loses possession in the tackle and his team can swing the ball out wide knowing he won’t get isolated. Basson is a great player, but I feel like he’s more of an opportunist, scoring tries from intercepts, mistakes from opposition, chip kicks into unpatrolled areas and in general very much bounce of the ball kind of stuff and I don’t think Ireland will give him a chance to exploit them in that way, but that’s just my opinion and I hope he proofs me wrong if he does get selected.

Centers

After Andries Struass destroyed the entire WP midfield, (I have a feeling he may have something to do with Jaque Fourie being sidelined as well) we are left with only a few options in this area. The selection of Adi Jacobs to cover this area has been criticized, but I personally think when four of the other guys that have a few Sringbok caps in this position are not available, it’s probably best to bring in at least one guy that has proven himself at this level before. There is no reason why Adi can’t step in at 13 and deliver a great stalwart performance for the Boks. Putting two newbies together in the midfield, now that would have been crazy! The question is, who you use on his inside, or for that matter outside if that is what is required. Frans Steyn, again, could have been the solution had he been available; I think he’s kicking himself for not insuring that he is, but alas only next week when Jean De Villiers may be over his injury will Steyn be available. The guys that have played in the midfield before is Patrick Lambie, doing a stellar job of it when he did, Bryan Habana at outside center only, I think, and Morne Steyn. In my mind the best option would be either of Lambie or Morne, the inside center position has very much become an extension of the fly half position in modern rugby anyway and thus these two guys should be able to do the job for us here. You could also think out of the box and play either Keegan Daniel or Ryan Kankowski at 12, it would be a very interesting experiment, but I don’t think the International stage and the Grand Slam tour is the place to do it.

Fly Half

Morne Steyn is the obvious option. He has been very stable for us here over the last season or so and has improved and gained a lot of confidence with every game he’s played. Having said that, I believe Elton Jantjies and Patrick Lambie has been the finds of this Currie Cup season and is the future of South African rugby. Lambie has shown immense maturity and this weekend would be the perfect opportunity to see how he goes against top international opposition. Ruan Pienaar can also play here, but that ship has sailed, hit an ice berg and sunken to the bottom of the ocean. Anyway, we only have two scrummies, as I said before and Ruan needs to cover this position.

Scrum Half

It’s between Ruan and Hougaard and it’s really hard to say, because I haven’t seen Ruan play any rugby this season aside from the few minutes for the Sharks and before that he did pretty well for the Boks. Hougaard on the other hand has played some exceptional rugby since he’s been given a chance at 9 for the Boks and the Bulls. So this one is tough, based on what I’ve heard of Ruan’s form and the style of game he plays, I would probably prefer him above Hougaard. He’s the better tactical kicker of the two and is a little more crafty and slick than Hougaard. He would bring the calm and experience that would be needed in a team of new combinations and caps.

Loose Forwards

Again, it’s not a clear cut selection, and I have seen a few very different desired combinations for these three positions. It’s a shame Alberts has picked up a niggle, because I’m sure we all would have loved to see him run out in the green and gold. I wouldn’t go with Spies, the guy hasn’t played anything resembling good rugby for quite a while now and he’s gotten a place in the team enough times just because he’s built like a horse. I have news for anyone who cares to listen, it doesn’t really matter.  He can’t back his physique up with skills and until he does, he will remain useless. There, now that I got that of my back we can move on to the loosies that has been brilliant this season. Keegan Daniel has to be there, six, seven, eight, I don’t really care. He deserves it and won’t let the Boks down. I would play Juan Smith with him, not just for the experience, but also because he’s never had a bad game and is a great leader. The other obvious option then would be Kankowski and it’s about time that he gets a good run at the back of the scrum, he’s proven to be more than just a loose player. Stegman is there, but I don’t know why, since he hasn’t played any rugby this season, so Spies will have to cover the bench.

Locks

Victor Matfield and Bakkies Botha have done it for us before and there’s no reason why they shouldn’t continue to do so, unless Bakkies… You know what let’s not even discuss that. I would pick Flip van Der Merwe anyway, he needs the game time at this level before the World Cup to proof that he’s up to standard. I would also like to see more of Alister Hargreaves on this tour. It’s a shame that Matfield has been selected as captain, because that would mean Al will probably be little more than a water boy.

Props

The front row picks itself; it’s great to have our Bok front row back to fitness. Beast Mtwarira and Jannie Du Plessis have been great for the Sharks this season. The only concern could be fatigue (both mental and physical) after a massive game in the Currie Cup final, but if they can get themselves up to produce a performance close to the one they did a week ago, the Irish will have a tough time this weekend. Coenie Oosthuizen has had a great season with the Cheetahs and it would be harsh if he had to miss out on the 22 altogether, but CJ van Der Linde can cover both tight head and loose head and has a lot of international experience under his belt, so it would be tough to leave him out of the 22.

Hookers

Bismark du Plessis is still the best hooker in South Africa. Chilliboy has produced some decent performances for the Bulls and was surprisingly good standing in for John Smit every time he left the field for the Boks. Adriaan Struass is probably the more solid, more in form, more deserving of the two, but Chilliboy has been preferred anytime he’s been fit to play, he must have something the rest of us can’t see.

That’s my analysis and this is my Team to play the Irish:

15. Zane (Krusty) Kirchner 14. Bryan Habana, 13. Adi Jacobs 12. Morne Steyn 11. Lwazi Mvovo 10. Patrick Lambie 9. Ruan Pienaar 8. Ryan Kankowski, 7. Juan Smith 6. Keegan Daniel 5. Victor Matfield 4. Flip van der Merwe 3. Jannie Du Plessis 2. Bismark Du Plessis 1. Tendai (Beast) Mtwarira

16. CJ Van Der Linde 17. Chilliboy Ralepelle 18. Alister Hargreaves 19. Pier Spies 20. Francois Hougaard 21. Elton Jantjies 22. Gio Aplon



96 Comments

  • Thats not a horrible team, slightly concerned about Lambie at 10 but then again I also thought he would buckle last week.

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.11.10 14:37:54 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • 1. Beast
    2. Bismarck
    3. Jannie
    4. Bakkies
    5. Victor
    6. Daniel
    7. Smith
    8. Alberts
    9. Hougaard
    10. Steyn
    11. Habana
    12. Lambie
    13. Jacobs
    14. Basson
    15. Kirchner

    16. Chili
    17. CJ
    18. Flip
    19. Kankowski
    20. Spies
    21. Pienaar
    22. Mvovo

    Reasoning is simple.

    I would use Kanko and Spies’ speed later in the match, after Juan and Alberts killed them, half this Irish team is in their mid-30′s and coming in a bit cold into test match rugby.

    Morne and Lambie to swop on defense and attack.

    Aplon loses out to Mvovo for sheer physical pressure without losing strike power – the Irish lads are big and I fear Aplon even completing tackles, being carried 4 meters back in doing so. Aplon to be used agains the more lighter backs like Wales and Scotland.

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.11.10 14:39:28 by Morné Reply
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  • Just 3 quick points. Why krusty at fullback? Come on! Point number 2 is I couldn’t agree with you more about spies and point number 3, bissie is the best hooker in the world not just SA imo.

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.11.10 14:44:43 by Ben Reply
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  • It’s no use crying over spilled milk but I feel that at fullback Daniller, Ludik, Taute or even Jantjies could have offered a little more. On center we could have at least considered la Grange, Murray, Bosman or Strauss if we simply wanted the Irish center pairing to be out with injury for the rest of the season.

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.11.10 14:45:21 by vanmartin Reply
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  • 15. Gio Aplon 14. Basson, 13. Adi Jacobs 12. Morne Steyn 11. Lwazi Mvovo 10. Patrick Lambie 9. Hougaard 8. Ryan Kankowski, 7. Juan Smith 6. Keegan Daniel 5. Victor Matfield 4. Flip van der Merwe 3. Jannie Du Plessis 2. Bismark Du Plessis 1. Tendai (Beast) Mtwarira

    16. CJ Van Der Linde 17. Chilliboy Ralepelle 18. Alister Hargreaves 19. Pier Spies 20. Ruan Pienaar 21. Elton Jantjies 22. Habana or Crusty

    I might also change Morne and Lambie around as Hougaard and Morne do mak a good combo…

    I LOVED your take on Spies, BTW!!

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.11.10 14:46:38 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • Thanks for the article Letgo.

    I am going to disagree with quite a few of your selections.

    Firstly, why is Habana at 14?? I see you’ve made place for Mvovo by moving possibly our best winger of all time to the opposite wing. :shock:

    I rate Mvovo as a very good prospect and he will more than likely play test rugby but there is no way he should be ahead of Basson.

    21 tries while playing for a team that didn’t even make the semis AND he is more experienced than Lwazi.

    Aplon will more than likely play at 14 with Habs on the left wing.

    As for Lambie, i rate him as well and would love to see him make his debut but only off the bench.

    If JDV is not fit enough to play then surely we should play Lambie at 12 and Steyn at 10.

    Imho he needs experienced players to guide him through his first test match.

    I would also play Hougaard at 9 based on the good season he had with the Bulls and he is the incumbent isnt he??

    The rest of the team looks fine!! ;-)

    Just my opinion of course!! :grin:

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.11.10 14:46:45 by wpw Reply
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  • Has Dancing Bear been around lately?

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.11.10 14:49:52 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 6) : no chance of pdvie moving steyn to 12 its not gonna happen i agree!

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.11.10 14:52:28 by Ben Reply
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  • My team would look like this: 1. Mtawarira 2.B du Plessis 3.J du Plessis 4.Botha 5.Matfield 6.Daniel 7.Smith 8.Alberts 9.Pienaar 10.M. Steyn 11.Habana 12.Lambie 13.Jacobs 14.Basson 15.Aplon

    16.Ralepelle 17.van der Linde 18.Hargreaves 19.Kankowski 20.Hougaard 21.Jantjies 22.Mvovo

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.11.10 14:56:33 by war1 Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 6) : I agrees with that backline of yours. :smile:

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.11.10 14:57:58 by McLovin Reply

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  • So Kirchner is not getting any love from this site!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.11.10 14:59:45 by wpw Reply
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  • Spies ‘built like a horse’? Freudian slip? :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.11.10 15:01:30 by McLovin Reply

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  • 15 – Kirchner
    14 – Aplon (the ruck hitting machine) :mrgreen:
    13 – Adi
    12 – Lambie (if JDV is not available)
    11 – TWG11
    10 – Steyn
    9 – Hougaard
    8 – Kanko
    7 – Smith
    6 – Daniels
    5 – Kaptein span die seile
    4 – Flip
    3 – Jannie
    2 – Bismarck
    1 – Beeeaaaassssstttt!

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.11.10 15:02:25 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 11) : that one’s easy to fix… he just needs to start playing better :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.11.10 15:02:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 13) : any truth to the rumour that Aplon insists on Lwazi Mvovo walking on his right hand side when they’re out together with the Boks?

    Apparently has nightmare about Lwazi coming at him from the left :)

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.11.10 15:04:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • Don’t reckon Daniel will be starting. Might be on the bench.

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.11.10 15:04:18 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : The sad thing is that super rugby seems to be the ceiling of his potential. He is a failed experiment at Bok level.

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.11.10 15:05:06 by lostfish Reply
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  • …and Bakkies will start.

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.11.10 15:05:23 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 12) : !wahahahahahaha!

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.11.10 15:05:31 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • mapoe at centre or on the wing.. ;-)

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.11.10 15:09:56 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 1) : I wouldn’t mind seeing Lambie at 12, but next week when we have some of our other 12′s back, I’d like to see him at 10 and that’s my reason for putting him at 10.

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.11.10 15:13:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 2) : I like your team Morne, but I think Alberts has a niggle and won’t play the first game. If you play Steyn at 10, that would make Hougaard the better option at 9…combination. I think Mvovo is better than Basson!

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.11.10 15:15:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 22) : But I would be happy with a Basson selection!

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.11.10 15:16:01 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 3) : Krusty at Fullback, because there’s no one else. Aplon imo is not the right guy in wet heavy conditions. Daniller or Viljoen, maybe Conrad Jantjes would have been better, Krusty is saver. Has a good clearance kick and will do what’s expected in these conditions.

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.11.10 15:17:49 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 3) : I agree with you on Bissie! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.11.10 15:18:22 by Letgo Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 4) : I’m with you on that, some poor selections have been made. Not because we have bad players available, just a few better options at home.

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.11.10 15:19:26 by Letgo Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 17) :

    I am not a big fan of Zane’s but did you watch all the tests he played in this year??

    Ek vra ma net!! :???:

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.11.10 15:19:51 by wpw Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 9) : I agree with war1. That is the team I would have chosen. I would have Pienaar starting cause he’s used to the conditions .

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.11.10 15:25:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 6) : I wanna play Mvovo, you don’t move the inexperienced player, that won’t be good for him. Habana is not the best winger of all time. He’s not even the best of our time. :|

    I gave reasons for selecting Basson above Mvovo, go read them! :grin: I wouldn’t mind seeing Basson though, it’s just personal preference, Aplon will be fine on the wing also.

    I picked Ruan, his is a more classy game. Better tactical kicker. And will combine well with Lambie.

    If you’re picking Morne at ten, I agree with Hougie at 9. I would like to see Lambie at 10, because when other 12 are back he’d have to move to 10 or bench and I don’t want that.

    None of you opinions are wrong though. I think those selections would be fine too. Lets see what Pdiv does, probably more like you have it! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.11.10 15:26:41 by Letgo Reply
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  • 1. Willem Alberts
    2. Willem Alberts
    3. Willem Alberts
    4. Willem Alberts
    5. Willem Alberts
    6. Willem Alberts
    7. Willem Alberts
    8. Willem Alberts
    9. Ruan Pienaar
    10. Ruan Pienaar
    11. Ruan Pienaar
    12. Ruan Pienaar
    13. Ruan Pienaar
    14. Ruan Pienaar
    15. Ruan Pienaar

    and Francois Steyn to cover the bench. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.11.10 15:26:51 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 27) : Most of them. I must admit while he wasn’t awful, he wasn’t great. At the moment we don’t have a lot of choice so he will have to plug the gap for the time being.

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.11.10 15:27:51 by lostfish Reply
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  • on a serious note – I like your team but would rather put Aplon instead of Crusty.

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.11.10 15:28:38 by rekinek Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 12) : :???: , Why :?:

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.11.10 15:29:05 by Letgo Reply
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  • 1. Beast
    2. Bissie
    3. Jannie
    4. Bakkies
    5. Victora
    6. Keegan
    7. Juan
    8. Big Vic
    9. Hougaard
    10. Steyn
    11. Habana
    12. Lambie
    13. Jacobs
    14. Basson
    15. Krusty

    16. Strauss
    17. CJ
    18. Hargo
    19. Kankowski
    20. Spies
    21. Pienaar
    22. Mvovo

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.11.10 15:29:07 by lostfish Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 30) : :grin:

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.11.10 15:29:12 by bergshark Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 30) : :idea: what about 22 frans steyns?

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.11.10 15:31:14 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 29) : Carter and Wilko both started out in the centres in test rugby before moving to fly half. Nothing wrong with moving him a little bit further away from the pressure and allowing him to get a feel for test rugby. He can also swop around with Steyn.

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.11.10 15:32:00 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 19) : I’m I too young or to stupid or to gullible for this joke. :???:

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.11.10 15:32:19 by Letgo Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 36) : very tempting … will do substitutions early :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.11.10 15:32:54 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 29) :

    Who do you rate as better wingers to have played for SA??

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.11.10 15:34:39 by wpw Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 37) : I’m totally with you on that, I actually like the idea of seeing how a 10 goes at 12 before moving him closer to the game, decision making and pressure. I think Lambie is ready though and I’m really excited to see a Ruan/Lambie combo.

    If it doesn’t happen this week hopefully some time during this tour.

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.11.10 15:37:15 by Letgo Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 31) :

    I agree that we dont have better at the moment.

    Frans will prolly be available next week but for now we need a solid fullback and i think he fits the bill.

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.11.10 15:37:42 by wpw Reply
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  • Here is my team:

    1. Coenie
    2. Chiliboy
    3. CJ v d Linde
    4. Flip
    5. Hargreaves
    6. Stegman
    7. Kanko
    8. Spies

    9. Pienaar
    10. Jantjies
    11. Mvovo
    12. Kirchner
    13. Lambie
    14. Basson
    15. Aplon

    Thats the team I woulndt select!

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.11.10 15:38:41 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Seriously though:

    1. Beast
    2. Bismarck
    3. Jannie
    4. Bakkies
    5. Matfield
    6. Daniel
    7. Juan Smith
    8. Kanko

    9. Hougie
    10. Steyn
    11. Habana
    12. Lambie
    13. Jacobs
    14. Basson
    15. Aplon

    16. CJ
    17. Chili
    18. Hargreaves
    19. Alberts
    20. Stegman
    21. Pienaar
    22. ??

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.11.10 15:42:07 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 42) : If Currie Cup form is anything to go by then there are 2 fullbacks on holiday back in SA who were better than Kirchner. Neither of them have test experience though.

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.11.10 15:42:17 by lostfish Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 40) : Eish dude, do we have to do this. It’s a matter of opinion, I don’t rate the guy. He’s fast. He has been great or has produced great moments. Maybe I just don’t like the guy.

    You have to agree that he’s not at his best.

    I still selected him in my team, that has to tell you something and moved him because he’s experienced.

    I think James Small, Stefan Terblanch and Brent Russell were all better than BH, btw. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 46, posted at 03.11.10 15:44:56 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 41) : If I had to start Lambie at 10 it would be against Scotland after giving him a run at 12 against Ireland and Wales.

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.11.10 15:45:39 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 43) : :lol:

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.11.10 15:46:49 by Letgo Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 47) : Ok, as Rob would say, fair enough. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.11.10 15:48:12 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 44) : Rich, don’t you think Aplon and Basson is a little light weight? And neither of them really kicks for touch. Aplon will attack from the back, but might get isolated and with Basson there to help, maybe we could get in trouble? If I play Aplon, it will be with Habana and Krusty, or next week when Fransie is back!

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.11.10 15:50:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 46) : :shock:

    IRB WORLD Player of the Year in 2007
    SA Player of the Year in 2005 and 2007
    Scored 38 tries in 66 tests and he is still only 27 years old.
    Scored the winning try in the S14 final in 2007 (ah, thats why you ‘dont rate him’) :twisted:

  • Comment 51, posted at 03.11.10 15:53:47 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 51) : Dude, we know ur slow, but its 2010!! Nothing happened in since 2007..u wanne tell me now we should select Danie Gerber @ centre coz he won the best player award in 1975?? :twisted:
    Face it, he is of not much use the past 3 years!! That help sweet blow all!

  • Comment 52, posted at 03.11.10 15:58:55 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 51) : Shutup!! :twisted:

  • Comment 53, posted at 03.11.10 16:01:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 51) : @Letgo (Comment 53) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 54, posted at 03.11.10 16:01:59 by Letgo Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 51) : @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 52) : What Ice said and, and…

    I still don’t think he was the best in 2005 and 2007. He was fast and new and not yet completely figured out by opposition. They couldn’t catch him. He’s confidence gain from this praise made him a better player and in between there was some excellent moments, but like Ice said, those days are over and Habana are struggling to reinvent himself.

    If you want to be the best you need to continue being the best. 2 years is a flash in the pan, he needs to produce some solid games again.

  • Comment 55, posted at 03.11.10 16:05:40 by Letgo Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 51) : On current form Habana is a liability. He has the “rush up and go for the intercept” thing stuck in his head, which cost us plenty of points in the Tri-Nations.

    I know he can sometimes be a game-breaker, but that’s been few and far between of late. After 2007 his form went for a ball of shit.

  • Comment 56, posted at 03.11.10 16:06:54 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 51) : @Letgo (Comment 53) : now now children :twisted:

  • Comment 57, posted at 03.11.10 16:07:03 by lostfish Reply
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  • Id go with Morne Steyn at 12 and Lambie on his inside, they can interchange as the game requires.

    Pienaar
    Lambie
    M Steyn
    Adi
    Habana
    Aplon
    Steyn

  • Comment 58, posted at 03.11.10 16:08:05 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 58) : Hey sorry, but Fransie is not available this week. Will you then go with crusty.

  • Comment 59, posted at 03.11.10 16:14:26 by Letgo Reply
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  • GO BOKKE !!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 60, posted at 03.11.10 16:16:51 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 59) :

    Dammit .. :oops:

    Yes I would just for experiece reasons.

  • Comment 61, posted at 03.11.10 16:17:10 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • See what happens when you give women posting rights? :twisted:
    Back to the kitchen with the two of you!

  • Comment 62, posted at 03.11.10 16:26:04 by wpw Reply
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  • i think richard ferguson has it spot on.
    22 mapoe

  • Comment 63, posted at 03.11.10 16:31:35 by prgdad Reply

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  • Mapoe just confirmed on radio sport!

  • Comment 64, posted at 03.11.10 16:34:55 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE THAT THIS PACK WILL GET UPPER HAND AND GO FOREWARD-THATS WHEY I GO WITH ATTACKING BACKLINE

    1. Beast
    2. Bismarck
    3. Jannie
    4. Bakkies
    5. Victor
    6. Daniel
    7. Smith
    8. Alberts/ KANKO 65TH MIN…OPEN UP THE TIRED BATTERED FOREWARDS
    9. Hougaard / PIENAAR 60TH
    10. Lambie IF UNSETTLED MOVE TO STEYN ASAP/ Morne Steyn
    11. Habana / HOUGARD 70TH
    12. frans steyn / 60MIN LAMBIE TO 12
    13. Jacobs / frans steyn
    14. Basson / MVOVO (60TH MIN)
    15. Aplon

    16. Chili
    17. CJ
    18. Flip
    19. Kankowski
    20. Spies
    21. Pienaar
    22. Mvovo

  • Comment 65, posted at 03.11.10 16:46:33 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • 1. Beast
    2. Bismarck
    3. Jannie
    4. Bakkies
    5. Matfield
    6. Daniel
    7. Juan Smith
    8. ALBERTS WET CONDITIONS

    9. Hougie /PIENAAR
    10. M Steyn
    11. Habana
    12. Lambie
    13. F STEYN CENTRES ARE RISK BUT CAN PAY OFF BIG TIME
    14. Basson /HOUGIE
    15. Aplon

    16. CJ
    17. Chili
    18. Hargreaves
    19. KANKO
    20. ??
    21. Pienaar
    22. ??

  • Comment 66, posted at 03.11.10 16:52:31 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 2) : What? No Johan Heunis or Naas ? :twisted:

  • Comment 67, posted at 03.11.10 16:59:36 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @BoerSeun (Comment 65) : If Fransie was available for this game, that’s what I would have done!

  • Comment 68, posted at 03.11.10 17:09:57 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 67) : :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 69, posted at 03.11.10 17:16:58 by Letgo Reply
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  • 1.beast
    2.Bissie
    3.Jannie
    4.bakkies
    5.Vic
    6.Stegman
    7.Juan
    8. Spies (only cause Alberts is not 100% fit)
    9. Ruan (experience fromk Ulster games)
    10. Morne (need to kick all the goals)
    11. Habana
    12. Lambie (would choose JDV if he was fit)
    13. Jacobs
    14. Aplon
    15. Kirchner (Kicking skills are important for this game)

    16. Chilli
    17. Cj (would choose coenie if he could cover 3)
    18. Flip
    19. Keegan
    20. Hougie
    21. Elton
    22. Mvovo…more weight and strength than basson…field will be heavy.

  • Comment 70, posted at 03.11.10 17:17:47 by JJR Reply
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  • Morne’s side is close to mine, except if Alberts doesn’t start, then I guess I would start Kanko.

    Aplon is not gonna fly on those wet fieds (my sister says Dublin is wet and horrible at the moment) and people seem to forget that M Steyn is an awful defender, and can’t cover 12 for that reason.

  • Comment 71, posted at 03.11.10 17:28:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 62) : Watchit…Wp supporter. :grin: :grin: :lol:

  • Comment 72, posted at 03.11.10 17:38:30 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 71) : If we go by Steyn can’t defend, then you’re right Lambie should probably cover 12.

  • Comment 73, posted at 03.11.10 17:39:37 by Letgo Reply
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  • Has it been brought up why Stefan T was not considered for the Tour. He has caps and I reckon he’ll be solid for the Boks.

    And after that speech you know he can get the younger players up for it.

  • Comment 74, posted at 03.11.10 19:26:31 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • CSB
    Has it ever occured to you that Stefan is cack?? :wink:
    First Dries now Stef. Delusional!

  • Comment 75, posted at 03.11.10 19:43:02 by wpw Reply
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  • 15.Lambie
    14.Basson
    13.Jacobs
    12.Steyn
    11.Habana
    10.Steyn
    9 .Hougard
    8 .Alberts
    7 .Smith
    6 .Burger
    5 .Matifield (c)
    4 .Botha
    3 .Dupliess
    2 .Dupliess
    1 .Mtarawiri

  • Comment 76, posted at 03.11.10 19:47:23 by zvision10 Reply

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  • Boks on their way to UK ! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 77, posted at 03.11.10 21:14:05 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 44) :
    1. Beast
    2. Bismarck
    3. Jannie
    4. Bakkies
    5. Matfield
    6. Daniel
    7. Juan Smith
    8. Kanko

    9. Hougie
    10. Steyn
    11. Habana
    12. Lambie
    13. Jacobs
    14. Basson
    15. Aplon

    16. CJ
    17. Chili
    18. Flip (heavier than Hargreaves?)
    19. Alberts (if he is’nt okay, then Spies)
    20. Stegman (again, if Alberts is fit, then Spies)
    21. Pienaar
    22. Mvovo

  • Comment 78, posted at 03.11.10 22:11:57 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @zvision10 (Comment 76) :
    Burger is out of the EOYT.
    U have Steyn at 10 and 12, so I presume you refering to Frans at 12. He will only be available after the Ireland test. :smile:

  • Comment 79, posted at 03.11.10 22:19:22 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • i wouls like to see mvovo beening tried on center,that would give the wings more space as he is a good strong and straight runner,what do you guys think

  • Comment 80, posted at 03.11.10 22:44:37 by juba_fan Reply

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  • @juba_fan (Comment 80) : I don’t think it’s a bad idea, that would mean Adi would move to inside center and Lambie to 10 or the bench. Unless you drop Adi to the bench.

  • Comment 81, posted at 04.11.10 08:23:22 by Letgo Reply
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  • It does seem like everyone on this site has enough confidence in Adi to actually start with him, or maybe it’s because he’s the only center on tour. :???:

  • Comment 82, posted at 04.11.10 09:01:42 by Letgo Reply
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  • The last time we manged to beat Ireland we were a very young squad with only half the amount of caps than that Irish team …granted it was at home for us.
    I believe we can pull this off it just depends how well everyone gels before Sat imo.

    I have full confidence in Adi starting and should ..all this about him having not played can be a double edge sword.
    Perhaps a rusty opening stanza but then comes good.

    Shark fans you so lucky with a player like Mvovo ..pretty excited at seeing him in the Green and Gold ..our very own SBW :mrgreen:

    he’ll come on around the 60 min mark and score a bucking good try :grin:

  • Comment 83, posted at 04.11.10 09:09:01 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 83) :

    Was that in 2000?? :shock: :roll:

  • Comment 84, posted at 04.11.10 09:13:41 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 84) :

    2004 ..

  • Comment 85, posted at 04.11.10 09:29:37 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • Would go with the following considering who has been selected in the squad…

    15. Aplon
    14. Basson
    13. JDV (if fit)
    12. Lambie
    11. Habana
    10. Steyn
    9. Hougaard

    8. Alberts
    7. Smith
    6. Daniel
    5. Matfield
    4. Bakkies
    3. Jannie
    2. Bissie
    1. Beast

    16. Chilli
    17. CJ
    18. Flip
    19. Stegman
    20. Jacobs
    21. Pienaar
    22. Kirchner

  • Comment 86, posted at 04.11.10 10:07:59 by Sportbilly Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 74) : In my opinion, he would have been a great selection especially talking that I rate him far better than Kirsner.

  • Comment 87, posted at 04.11.10 12:17:03 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 87) : In fact, make that far better, way more experienced and way more deservant…

  • Comment 88, posted at 04.11.10 12:18:59 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • We all know who Snorre is going to select as his loose trio: Spies, Smith and Kanko.

  • Comment 89, posted at 04.11.10 12:27:21 by rhineshark Reply
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  • It appears from speculation that Kirchner is going to be selected at outside centre on Sat for the Boks!! :shock:

  • Comment 90, posted at 04.11.10 14:39:45 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 90) : :lol: :lol: :lol: , we gonna looooooooose! :lol:

  • Comment 91, posted at 04.11.10 15:28:40 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 91) : would immediately take off the pressure of grand slam :mrgreen:

  • Comment 92, posted at 04.11.10 15:37:41 by rekinek Reply
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  • lol

  • Comment 93, posted at 04.11.10 15:43:09 by Tana Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 91) : I normally go to all the games on the NH tour…..this year I haven’t made plans to go to any (although I do have tickets for Twickenham)

  • Comment 94, posted at 04.11.10 15:45:43 by Villie Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 92) : Silver lining?

  • Comment 95, posted at 04.11.10 15:50:09 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 94) : If Pdive selected the right players. You know some of the young exciting talents we have available to us now, then we will see a few really good games. Maybe not specifically winning games, but exciting.

    If Pdiv selects Krusty at 13, then this tour is just going to be sad!

  • Comment 96, posted at 04.11.10 15:51:58 by Letgo Reply
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