Richard Ferguson

Take that!


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 6 Nov 2010 at 21:46
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The Springboks beat the Irish 23 -21 in a match that went down to the last few minutes after the Irish came back to score two late tries to put some pressure on the Boks. The scoreline was a bit flattering towards the Irish, as the Boks really dominated them for 60 minutes of the match.

The match started off quite slow, and the Springbok tight five dominated from the start with the Boks taking the scrums to the Irish, completely outscrumming them on both attack and defence. It was a superb showing from a Springbok pack that should take credit for the victory.

Juan Smith scored the first of two tries for the Boks after pressurizing the Irish and picking up a nice intercept and running 70 meters to dot down. The second try was scored by Gio Aplon after a great little inside pass from out-of-his-depth and out-of-position Zane Kirchner, who had a solid game and hardly made any mistakes.

The Irish backline which was supposed to run holes through the Boks’ dodgy put together defensive line never quite happened, and they held on and stood firm. It was a fantastic showing from a Springbok team that was written off by both the Irish media and 90% of the Springbok supporters. They showed all non-believers the proverbial finger.

Pieter de Villiers must get credit for putting together a team that challenged the Irish in every part of the game, and for having the balls to select a player out of position on a tour that was supposed to be for experimenting. Well done Div! The timing of certain replacements were still questionable, but the team came through and shoed the character that is expected of an International team. Well done Bokke, now for the Grand Slam!



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  • Kirchner made no mistakes? Eish Rich – he was almost solely responsible for the second irish try ;)

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.11.10 21:48:50 by robdylan Reply
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    Hardly made a mistake.. Excuse me for overlooking that.

    I mean, the way the guy was written off, one would think he should have missed 10 tackles, dropped 5 balls and score a try for Ireland!

  • Comment 2, posted at 06.11.10 21:50:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • That was quick!

    I’m here to take my licking like a man – I doubted.

    Great work by the Boks: hats off to PDV.

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.11.10 21:55:55 by Big Fish Reply
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    I had it written in anticipation.. I must be the only man to have bet on the Boks to win.. I lie, Fattman also backed the Boks!

  • Comment 4, posted at 06.11.10 21:57:51 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Well said. :cool:

  • Comment 5, posted at 06.11.10 21:58:51 by McLovin Reply

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  • I thought Ruan had a solid game and generally played well.

    But man, does he irritate me with his waving his arms around at the back of the ruck, instead of just getting the ball out to his backline. Damn i am happy we have got Charl instead of ruan.

    Lambie made a definite difference when he came on, the way he attacked the gain-line and got his backline going. Just felt really sorry for him missing that sitter of a kick, if we had drawn or lost because of it he would have felt terrible.

    Anyway, hats off to the Boks for winning this one, but I still think P divvie’s selections are totally ludicrous.

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.11.10 22:12:21 by jonnow Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 6) : Lambie made a difference when he came on? As compared to what? Steyn actually played really well! And for the record Lambie showed he could well have the pedigree. Time to take off those rose-tinted glasses Jonnow…

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.11.10 22:35:00 by Rugby Guru Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 6) : I thought Ruan was very good and proved today that he is the back up for FDP Many times he was the guy stopping the Irish attack or forcing them to play a different move from the move they had planned Maybe it was because he plays there and has got to know the players
    Lambie is the future of the Boks for sure the way he plays to the gain line reminds me of Honibal the Great and it will be interesting how PDV uses him. Missing the sitter shows he is human after all

    I wonder if the guys who were throwing stones at the Bokke and PDV will come back and admit they were wrong Somehow I doubt it

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.11.10 22:35:21 by Fattmann Reply
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    Well done to the Boks! I must admit, I doubted them too. Felt awful for Pat after missing that kick – perhaps we can blame it on Percy punting a different method to Braam? Hope he can brush that off and move on – it happens to the best of kickers! Other than that, he was quite impressive with ball in hand. I’m sure Ruan’s glad he’s there, so that he can focus solely on 9 (where he played fantastically tonight).

    Thought Stegmann showed that he was a better option than Flouw – actually made effective tackles, whereas Louw seems to wait off until someone else takes the contact. Massive performance by the tight 5, shoddy substitution calls by PDivvy (can’t help but suspect that Muir is responsible for those brain farts though, a la S14 2007 Final). Nigel Owens was also quite poor, or was that just me being biased? Thought he handled the breakdown quite poorly.

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.11.10 22:48:58 by MerckZ Reply

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  • Oh come off it Rob. Kirchner made ONE mistake the whole game.
    How come some players get slated more than others??
    Jeez!!

  • Comment 10, posted at 06.11.10 23:03:01 by wpw Reply
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    I too thought the ref was inconsistent. At one stage the Irish forwards were playing the ball on the ground at nearly every ruck. :evil:

  • Comment 11, posted at 06.11.10 23:07:03 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 11) : And they repeatedly entered the ruck from an offside position :/

    I guess I’m a one-eyed, whinging South African, but he seemed to be pedantic when it suited Ireland, and laissez faire when it suited Ireland. Especially when it came to the line-out delay in the final 3 minutes. That could have been a game changing call for something quite petty, and also calling the game back for a player being ahead of the kicker when it had ABSOLUTELY no bearing on proceedings.

    Owens definitely has the most annoying voice of any referee in Word Rugby, perhaps apart from Matt Goddard.

  • Comment 12, posted at 06.11.10 23:23:56 by MerckZ Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 11) : And they repeatedly entered the ruck from an offside position :/

    I guess I’m a one-eyed, whinging South African, but he seemed to be pedantic when it suited Ireland, and laissez faire when it suited Ireland. Especially when it came to the line-out delay in the final 3 minutes. That could have been a game-changing call for something quite petty, also calling the game back for a player (Bakkies I think) being ahead of the kicker when he had ABSOLUTELY no bearing on proceedings at all.

    Owens definitely has the most annoying voice of any referee in world rugby, apart from Matt Goddard perhaps. Even Craig Joubert’s “crouchhh, touchhh, paushhhe, engageshhhe” is quite endearing. Owens just sounds like an angry bee with a kazoo in an envelope.

  • Comment 13, posted at 06.11.10 23:31:03 by MerckZ Reply

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  • PdV must be the only international coach that regularly subs his 10.

    What would normally perplexing becomes just plain stupid when the player involved is also the primary place kicker.

    Like driving without your safety belt.

  • Comment 14, posted at 06.11.10 23:41:26 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Springbok forwards were the stars of this match with their dominance in the scrums, line-outs and their tackling. They were all over the place which was just as well as the back line was a mystery. Where were Habana and Basson during the game? We hardly saw them. And, sorry guys, Kirchner was awful in defence.
    I was prepared for another defeat at the hands of the Irish but, on the day, they were a big disappointment, mainly as a result of the close attention they received from the Springbok loosies and front row. The Irish did come into their own toward the end of the match a period of play that had my voice rise to a crescendo of frustrated howling.
    And Nigel Owens was rubbish. There was no consistency in his decisions on offside and little understanding of scrummaging.
    But Happy Day. We survived and kicked off the tour with a good win.

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.11.10 00:55:55 by Donald Reply

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  • Proud of the Boks…always though we could do it. NH heavy field, Rain soaked field and more rain falling. 10 man rugby was always going to be more effective than 7′s rugga. Thought Crusty tackled well, one epic mistake cost us.
    Next week maybe Hoggie, Lambo, Habs, JDV, Adri, Aplon and Fans….Grand slam here we come!!!

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.11.10 01:39:34 by Tintin Reply

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  • @Tintin (Comment 16) :

    Why would you want to replace Pienaar with Hougaard?

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.11.10 05:56:28 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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    I agree regarding his substitutions.
    Lambie shouldn’t have replaced Steyn. It nearly cost us the game.
    Thing is, Steyn was prolly our worst player last night!!

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.11.10 06:18:22 by wpw Reply
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  • I have to admit Ruan had his best game for the Boks last night.
    He started off a bit slowly but imo he was our best backline player.
    He should definitely start the next game!!

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.11.10 06:22:13 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 19) : You are up early Wes…. how good was the front row ….. awesome apparently or has it been hyped up a bit !

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.11.10 07:04:48 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • I thought our coaches nearly lost that game for us, and we can be thank-full that their coach, was dumber than ours, if he had brought on Stringer and O’Gara on 10 minutes earlier, it might have been a different ball game. Lambie should never have come on when he did and how @jonnow (Comment 6) : you can say he made a difference I do not know, Steyn played well and those conditions were not suited to Lambie’s game. I think he is one talented individual, but to drop him in the deep end like that was suicidal, Those conditions were ideal for Steyn’s game and called for Bulls rugby. I thought Big Vic missed a trick, when he did not go for the corner and use the forward dominance at the lineout to score more points. I also thought the ref had a very good game.

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.11.10 07:08:32 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 21) :

    Well done on you ITM Cup SB honours ! ;-)

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.11.10 07:09:55 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Hey HH thanks man, blew it last week though, for some reason my predictions were not registered, most annoying but enjoyed it. You boys have some awesome talent still lurking at home, never mind Sonny-Bill, that Crusader center in the Final was good too. But Canturbury just too good for the Mooloo’s

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.11.10 07:23:39 by Whindy Reply
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  • Give the boys some credit. I was worried before the game. My heart said Boks but my head say Ireland. To be written off by all and sundry and then win the game was great. Yes sure not all of the guys played to their potential but they played their hearts out. As they say in the classics “Look at the scoreboard.”
    I for one gained a lot of confidence from our win so I am sure the boys did the same. Go Boks!

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.11.10 08:09:56 by Grey Shark Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 22) : What’s up with the best rugby nation’s domestic comp final being attended by 10000 fans in a 50000 seater stadium? :|

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.11.10 08:25:02 by klempie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 10) : some players get slated more because some d*ckheads are too arrogant to admit when their wrong! So kirchner made a couple of mistakes, so what?

  • Comment 26, posted at 07.11.10 09:45:15 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 21) :

    I thought our backline looked far more lively and dangerous when Lambie came on. Lambie is the future Bok flyhalf, Morne isn’t. Agree that p Divie’s timing of his substitutions leaves a lot to be desired, seems he still hasn’t learned since the Lions tour.

  • Comment 27, posted at 07.11.10 09:51:59 by jonnow Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 27) : Hear you just thought the conditions were shocking and not really right for running the backline. One thing young Lambie will have to sort out is his kicking, he does not give me confidence thats for sure, I agree he must have been terribly nervous with his first kick for the Boks but he is not a metronomic kicker of the ball(YET!!) but hopefully Percy will sort him out!!

  • Comment 28, posted at 07.11.10 10:01:02 by Whindy Reply
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  • Good win Bokke.

  • Comment 29, posted at 07.11.10 10:07:24 by Ernie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 25) :

    I think everyone is spending their money repairing their houses after the earthquake ! ;-)

  • Comment 30, posted at 07.11.10 10:07:36 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 23) :

    If the entire All Black side break their contracts and head to Toulon, this would be my back up 30 for the World Cup !

    What do you think ?

    All performed pretty well in the ITM Cup – Other than Ali Williams, however after watching South Africa and England play during the weekend I think he is a dead cert for selection !

    My 30 for the World Cup are :

    15. Izzy Dagg* Hawke’s Bay
    14. Rene Ranger* Northland
    13. Robbie Fruean Canterbury
    12. Luke McAlister* North Harbour
    11. Sitiveni Sivavatu* Waikato
    10. Colin Slade* Canterbury
    9. Piri Weepu* Wellington
    8. Adam Thomson* Otago
    7. George Whitelock* Canterbury
    6. Victor Vito* Wellington
    5. Ali Williams* Auckland
    4. Issac Ross* Canterbury
    3. Neemia Tialata* Wellington
    2. Aled de Malmache* Waikato
    1. Jamie MacIntosh* Southland

    16. Leila Mesaga* Waikato
    17. Richard Kahui* Waikato
    18. Sean Maitland Canterbury
    19. Aaron Cruden* Manawatu
    20. Brendon Leonard* Waikato
    21. Kahn Fotuali’i Hawke’s Bay
    22. Fritz Lee Counties Manukau

    23. Tanerau Latimer * Bay of Plenty
    24. Matt Todd Canterbury
    25. Chris Jack* Tasman
    26. Bryn Evans* Hawke’s Bay
    27. Wyatt Crockett* Canterbury
    28. Charlie Faumuina Auckland
    29. Corey Flynn* Canterbury
    30. Jason Rutledge Southland

    * denotes capped for the AB’s

  • Comment 31, posted at 07.11.10 10:09:17 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 20) :

    Hey HH. Do you think Mealamu will be cited?

    Oh and excuse my anti-kiwi rants on FB. I have one or two particular kiwis I am trying to piss off. (You’re not one of them.) :razz:

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    I don’t think so, I though Ice’s shoulder/head charge was worse !

    You make me laugh on FB….it should be working ! :lol:

  • Comment 33, posted at 07.11.10 10:14:59 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 31) : Pretty awesome there are a lot of very talented players amonth that lot. That test against England was very boring when will the English wake up to the fact that they will never beat the All Blacks with the ten man game, okay maybe evry twenty years :grin: Plus the need the ball to score, I was so bored I switched over and watched the wallabies so cannot comment on the last twenty minutes!!

  • Comment 34, posted at 07.11.10 10:34:00 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 34) :

    Drafting an article at the moment saying I think England will beat the Boks…..should get everyone going.

    But honestly thought England were good !

  • Comment 35, posted at 07.11.10 10:49:51 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 35) :

    I thought the same thing HH.. I think England are going to be tough to beat!

  • Comment 36, posted at 07.11.10 10:55:06 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 35) :

    Congrats on your team winning yesterday by the way.

    I thought they would kill them, but the English showed a bit of a fighting spirit.

    What did you make of Sonny Bill?

  • Comment 37, posted at 07.11.10 10:56:07 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 37) : Good run to begin with I have to ask though do you guys think he brings more to the party than Conrad Smith?? At this stage I dont think so, Smith has an uncanny ability to break the line and scores some wonderful tries, obviously very different players, just think Smith brings more to the All Black game!!

  • Comment 38, posted at 07.11.10 11:00:52 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 37) :

    Cheers Rich, I think England will be tough in your last match of the grand slam.

    Re SBW I thought he was good set up a great try and didn’t look out of his depth in a pretty tough test match.

    Hope he gets another go against Scotland !

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  • @Whindy (Comment 38) :

    He is still a nice car to have available ! :cool:

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  • @Whindy (Comment 38) :

    I really like Conrad Smith, have been rating him for some time now.

    Whether SBW brings more than Smith, Im not sure, you have to say that for a debut, the guy didnt look out of his depth. They probably give him the rest of the tour to show what he has, and I really look forward to seeing some more of him.

  • Comment 41, posted at 07.11.10 11:05:54 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 39) :

    I do wish he would hold on to the ball a little longer, but that said, he showed some nice distribution skills, and he looked pretty good on deence as well.

    Would love to see his pace though..

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 41) : Agreed and obviously he needs to build up some confidence. He did the same thing in the ITM Cup for the crusaders, first game just offloaded the whole game then as he felt more confident he started to coe into his own he is an unbelievable talent.

  • Comment 43, posted at 07.11.10 11:11:42 by Whindy Reply
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  • I admitt the boks did suprise me I thaught we were going to lose! And to all of you who are saying steyn and kirchner played well to you I say bullshit and you don’t know anything about rugby!

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 33) : Hey! I did not shoulder charge anyone! :wink:
    I agree Lambs did not make such a diffs as said, but Morne was far from Superb!
    Did anyone notice Ruan’s new eyebrow hairdo?? I think he actually found ouyt what a tweezer is!!! I also thought he had an aswome game, would not have subd him, he defniytely had the know-how of the conditions!

    Well done though on the win, I did not think they will make it ( the Irish were not on form either IMO)

    Last but least, it seemed to be an allsshark performance upfront that secured good ball to help the win :twisted:

    Oh, ja, and Bismarck should start acting lessons…the blind could see his modus operandi at the end!! :lol:

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 42) : @Whindy (Comment 43) :

    Hopefully he will get a run at 12 with Smith at 13 against Scotland !

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  • @Whindy (Comment 43) :

    Well in that case I hope to see him in loose game, would love to see him take apart the Welsh and the Scots

  • Comment 47, posted at 07.11.10 11:14:42 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 44) :

    Are you saying they played crap?

    I dont recall anybody saying they played well, but they stood their ground well anough for us to win the match, not so?

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 45) :

    hahahahaha ….. sorry ice , nick name for Toeava in the AB’s ;-)

  • Comment 49, posted at 07.11.10 11:16:15 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • On SBW. I would actually go with Fruean at the moment. SBW did nothing wrong yesterday but he did nothing awesome either. Fruean (to me) is a much more lively player.

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 45) :

    I have to agree that Ruan was pretty good. It is useful to have a player that knows the conditions in such an important position.

  • Comment 51, posted at 07.11.10 11:17:14 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • BTW, who was MOM? And in the AB game, was it my beloved Daniel??

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 39) : It is going to be an interesting game, that’s for sure the Forwards are going to have an awesome battle. The backs from either side, do not excite me. Still cannot believe, we do not have better centers than who are playing. I reckon it may come down to who make the least mistakes because Pdivie is obviously not going to play an expansive game with his current resources. Worries me a lot we are just falling further behind you guys and the Wallabies by sticking with the current game plan, especially with the new law interpretations

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 50) :

    Fruean looks an amazing talent, and I was sad when he did not get the call to the team. Would have liked to see him released on some small Welsh centre..

  • Comment 54, posted at 07.11.10 11:18:29 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 52) : Yes :cool:

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 52) :

    Correct, Dan Carter got MOTM, and hell he did play well!

    In the Springbok game I think it was Victor Matfield

  • Comment 56, posted at 07.11.10 11:19:20 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 48) : they were average!

  • Comment 57, posted at 07.11.10 11:19:33 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 52) :Yes it was, you do know he has recently got engaged :sad:

  • Comment 58, posted at 07.11.10 11:19:35 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 57) :

    If you read my article, you will see I said he had a solid game..

  • Comment 59, posted at 07.11.10 11:20:26 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 50) :

    I think SBW and Fruean are going to be hard to ignore after next years S15 :cool:

  • Comment 60, posted at 07.11.10 11:22:00 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 49) : don’t be surprised, but I knew that much! :wink:

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 59) : uhm duh! I did read the article and who said my comments was aimed at you!? He didn’t have a solid game he had an average game and go read all the comments of people saying how well steyn played?

  • Comment 62, posted at 07.11.10 11:24:44 by Ben Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 60) : Especially after Donalds little mishap against OZ

  • Comment 63, posted at 07.11.10 11:24:54 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 60) :

    Do you think they will force their way in over the Nonu and Smith combination?

    Canterbury will win the Super 15 next year.. watch this space..

  • Comment 64, posted at 07.11.10 11:25:30 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @ Whindy, no prob, just a LITTLE hurdle in my quest!! :lol:

    @ Rich..Victoria??? Geez, I thought the new New look Pienaar desreved that one!!

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  • @Whindy (Comment 53) :

    Agreed

    Thought the Poms were really expansive, if Boks don’t respond in a similar fashion will be out gunned.

    They won’t be able to grind out a bully approach up front ! :oops:

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  • @Whindy (Comment 63) : Little :oops:

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  • @Ben (Comment 62) :

    What did he do wrong?

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 65) :

    I had a few people in mind before Victor, but it seems that the commentators select the MOTM over there..

  • Comment 69, posted at 07.11.10 11:28:27 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 65) : Always Liked a Girl who only sees challenges, not obstacles :razz:

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 68) : steyn or kirchner?

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 66) :

    I think both NZ and SA are now well on their way to both win the Grand Slam

  • Comment 72, posted at 07.11.10 11:30:58 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 69) : Agree Juan Smith for one, wow did he tackle his arse off

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 64) :

    No …… but still hard to ignore

    McAlistair and Ranger will fancy their chances as well for the Blues. :cool:

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  • @Ben (Comment 71) :

    Steyn..

  • Comment 75, posted at 07.11.10 11:32:21 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 72) : Wales will be hard next week!!

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  • @Whindy (Comment 73) :

    And Beast.. I thought he scrummed his arse off..

  • Comment 77, posted at 07.11.10 11:33:10 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 74) :

    Where is Ranger? Is he injured?

  • Comment 78, posted at 07.11.10 11:33:46 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 75) : he made alott of mistakes I don’t even remember them all go and watch the game again and you will see…

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  • @Whindy (Comment 76) :

    Do you think so? The Boks will be confident going into the game, we should have a few changes with Steyn available as well.

    Should be an interesting match nonetheless.

  • Comment 80, posted at 07.11.10 11:35:13 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 77) : He was also a lot better in the loose, ran a lot straighter, he has been tending to run sideways in the CC. I thought all the forwards played well the front row was awesome, wonder how John Smit felt watching them they scrummed a lot better without him!!

  • Comment 81, posted at 07.11.10 11:36:11 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 79) :

    Must have been huge errors if you cannot remember them..

    He dropped a ball or two, but tit was wet, so you can forgive a man.. And then he missed one kick.. Massive mistakes yeah..

  • Comment 82, posted at 07.11.10 11:36:31 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 81) :

    I was thinking of him last night.. One has to wonder how well the front row would have done with him in it..

    That said though, Smit is just so much a better leader than Matfield..

  • Comment 83, posted at 07.11.10 11:37:48 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 82) : so your saying he had a good game?

  • Comment 84, posted at 07.11.10 11:38:26 by Ben Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 78) :

    No …… not considered good enough , unlucky !

    Richard Kahui is injured, he will come back into the reckoning and if the Blues go well Benson Stanley will also be back in the frame

    ….oh the options in the centres

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 80) : I wonder what will happen with Steyn?where would you play him Gio was solid at the back!!

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  • @ Whindy…well I know what I have!! LOL I am busy preparing a full on lunch (pumpkin fritter in syrup, pepper beans, rice, curry frikadels and salad and wine! And still talkim to u’s…I am GOOD! LOL

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  • Need to go to bed …….over and out !

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 87) : Can you believe it I am at work and you are making me homesick, thinking about a lekker Sunday Lunch, enjoy!! Not sure I will ever get used to working on Sundays so weird!!

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 88) : Cheers HH HAVE A GOOD WEEK!!

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 87) :

    I’ve just noticed you have hit team captain rank ….congrats when did that happen :?:

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  • @Whindy (Comment 90) : ;-)

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  • @Ben (Comment 84) :

    Im saying he wasn’t bad and still kicked well in trying conditions. So yes..

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 88) :

    Cheers mate.. we should catch up some time..

  • Comment 94, posted at 07.11.10 11:47:21 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 89) :

    What do you do Whindy? I am also sitting at work..

  • Comment 95, posted at 07.11.10 11:48:35 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 93) : that’s all he can do is kick…

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 91) : Some weeks ago!! 1st lady!! Cherio!

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  • @Ben (Comment 96) :

    And the fact that he tackles like a machine?

    What else should he do as a flyhalf in a wet match?

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  • :grin:

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  • Fantastic win by the Boks. Like I said in my post, it’s all about showing some heart, which they did.

    Regardless of who is standing in the backline on any given day we can put out a pack that has the potential to win the game for us..

    Beast clearly heard our call! Minced that lardass in the scrum.

    I won’t be taking my hat off to P Divvy just yet though. In my book the coach doesn’t get acclaim, just because 15 guys won a rugby match. He gets acclaim if the decisions he makes contribute to that. I didn’t think they did.

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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 100) :

    Well said SB.. The pack was always going to stronger than the Irish, and that front foot ball is invaluable..

  • Comment 101, posted at 07.11.10 11:59:32 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 98) : go and watch the game again please rich he was poor and I can’t believe you didn’t see it?

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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 100) : agreed and he nearly cocked it up again with the Subs, will he or Dick ever get it right??

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  • @Whindy (Comment 102) :

    Oh okay.. and you have those funny weeks there hey?

  • Comment 105, posted at 07.11.10 12:02:52 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 103) : In your opinion, I thought he was very good given the appalling conditions he kicked well and what did he do wrong, in your “OPINION”?

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  • @Ben (Comment 103) :

    I watched the game last night and again this morning, and I am asking to tell me where he was so bad?

  • Comment 107, posted at 07.11.10 12:03:43 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 104) : Heart failure…Almost. Like the Lions test, somehow we managed to hang on. Luckily for the nine-lived cat, Puff Divvy, he survived again… At least Lambo won’t be haunted by that kick!

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 105) : Yes Sunday is Monday and Friday is Sunday, and Saturday is Saturday, without a Sunday to rest on, after Saturday :lol:

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 101) : Beast and Bissie were huge, I thought.

    Kinda wish Alberts had not been injured. Would have been great bringing him on with 20 to go in those conditions.

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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 108) :

    I was really scared that that would happen.. Why PDivvy didnt keep Morne on and replaced Jean with Lambie, we will never know?!

  • Comment 111, posted at 07.11.10 12:07:21 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Sportbilly
    So the Boks won in spite of Div??
    He took a lot of flack this past week especially his selections. Now that the team he selected won, you refuse to give the guy credit??
    That’s not fair bru!!

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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 108) : Plus he has now got that Cap under the belt so at least he has that out of the way, still not sure he is the answer at Fly-half I am still happier with him at Fullback!!

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  • @Whindy (Comment 109) :

    Sheesh, straight into the week after a rugby day.. thats a bit rough..

  • Comment 114, posted at 07.11.10 12:08:13 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • very tough especially when one of your mates is an Irishman who insists that we disect the game over a Guiness or 5!! Not feeling strong!!

  • Comment 115, posted at 07.11.10 12:09:39 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 107) : @Whindy (Comment 106) : okay let me name what I can remember for starters the drop goal early in the game and then there was all the knock-ons he made and he doesn’t get the backline moving like a lambie does! If I can watch the game I can point out alott more mistakes but I remember shaking my head every 5min at steyn…

  • Comment 116, posted at 07.11.10 12:09:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 113) :

    I have to disagree with you Whindy. Lambie has superb distribution skills, just look at the skip pass in the lead up to the Aplon try..

    At fullback those skills will be lost.. maybe he will be a great inside centre where he can go into the flyhalf spot on occasion.

  • Comment 117, posted at 07.11.10 12:10:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 116) :

    Drop goals in tight games win you matches..

    Then it was wet, so a dropped ball or two will be expected, and I dont remember him dropping more than 2 balls..

  • Comment 118, posted at 07.11.10 12:12:21 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 111) : Agreed. He had practised at 12 all week? Morne’s goal kicking is just too good!@Whindy (@wpw (Comment 112) : Comment 113) : I like him at 10.. Just reckon Monty needs to sort out that goal kicking, he’s missed a couple of sitters in the CC too.

  • Comment 119, posted at 07.11.10 12:13:01 by Sportbilly Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 112) : Do you think he deserves Credit, we were winning with 10 points and going away, when he changed those subs, when will he learn that the game is 80 minutes long not 70. I do not believe he deserves any credit and it has nothing to do with anything but the substitutions, you can hardly say his picks were inspirational and added anything to the victory??

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  • Imo it was because of the subs that we won that match ..The Boks were knakkerd they played with heart ..See Bissie after the match out on his feet.

    The 2 Irish tries didn’t come from great play by them we made 2 errors and paid for them , any other day and Aplon would have been under the sticks.

    Also what really impressed me was our handling in those conditions ..very un Bok like.

    Well done to PDV and the team.

  • Comment 121, posted at 07.11.10 12:14:16 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 112) : What PDV has put the Bok supporters through is also not fair.. but life ain’t fair! :razz:

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 118) : yeah and missed drop goals gives the ball back to your opposition and so does some of he’s aimless kicks! Maybe you like the guy but imo he isn’t good enough to be a bok its only his boot that keeps him there!

  • Comment 123, posted at 07.11.10 12:15:51 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 116) :

    1 knock on ..off with his head !!! :evil:

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  • @Whindy (Comment 120) : Agreed.

    Was PDV the difference between winning and losing that test match? Answer. No.

  • Comment 125, posted at 07.11.10 12:16:20 by Sportbilly Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 117) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 111) :I think when he made the sub Pat for Morne we were in charge I dont think the second try would have happened if Pat was not on the field it was his straight run that got us over the gain line and his pass that enabled Krusty to flip pass to Aplon. Yes Pat was nervous but by the time he plays against the Barbarians he will be very confident
    As far as inside centre goes Carter and Wilco both started there and if Pat can develop like those 2 it will be fantastic

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  • @Ben (Comment 116) : Geez Ben Lambie dropped a couple as well, the conditions were not exactly made for running rugby!! Everybody was dropping the ball BOD even said the ball was like a bar of soap. What did Lambie do that was so much better?? Irate him but I would take Steyn to the world cup before I took Lambie, he is so reliable can’t say the same for Lambie (yet!!)

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  • @Ben (Comment 123) :

    So dude, which flyhalf would you play then? Seriously?

  • Comment 128, posted at 07.11.10 12:19:07 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 126) : Now you are talking, I also think that is where he should play, he needs more expierience!! and Flyhalf is a critical position in a test!!

  • Comment 129, posted at 07.11.10 12:22:47 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 128) : I would play morne because off his kicking. And we need that in the wc but I’m just saying I hate a flyhalf that kicks the ball away and I love a running flyhalve like lambie would even have played butchie if he could kick better!

    @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 124) : @Whindy (Comment 127) : wake up I didn’t say because he knocked the ball twice he had a bad game there were more factors involved. And whindy you think lambie is better at fullback that just shows what you know..

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  • You guys are really awesome. This whole week you called Div a clown, clueless and you questioned the selection of Spies, Stegmann and Kirchner in particular.
    All three players just happen to be Bulls but let’s not go there now.
    All 3 contributed to our win yesterday. Instead of saying well done you refuse to credit him even though those selections came off.
    Spies and Stegmann in particular played quite well. Spies tried very hard and made some great tackles and carries!!

    Ben
    So all those tests where Morne Steyn won us crucial matches don’t count??
    Are you serious??

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  • @Ben (Comment 130) :

    I merely pointed out the # of knock on’s he made nothing else was implied.

    Was so touchy .. No morning coffee? :o

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  • @Ben (Comment 130) : Ben You seem to have quite an opinion of your own rugby knowledge what precisely qualifies you to make such statements and to question mine?. I happen to like him at fullback, judging on his games for the Sharks, a position I have played and know a bit about.

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  • @Ben (Comment 130) :

    Lets not trash talk dude, you have showed that you don’t know much more than the average anyway..

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  • @Ben (Comment 130) :

    Still waiting on your suggestion at flyhalf …oh wise one ;-)

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  • @Ben (Comment 130) :

    So.. haha.. you say Morne Steyn is kak but you want him to go to the World Cup and win it for us..

    Fuck bru, you are a joke!

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  • @wpw (Comment 18) : @wpw (Comment 131) : what happend to your earlier comment that steyn was our worst player of the day?

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  • @wpw (Comment 131) :

    He must have the best job in the world ..like a glorified fan along for the ride .. :roll:

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  • @wpw (Comment 131) : You fail to see that Spies has been droth for how many matches? So we must now credit PDV for keeping him in a team whilst there were 2-3 other players more deserving? Doesn’t work like that.

    You reckon Spies must get credit for ‘trying hard’. WTF. Any Bok that doesn’t try hard should be slaughtered.

    Stegman played okay. No problems with him. Now I must give PDV credit for the fact he didn’t lose the match for us?

    Come on dude. Lets leave it at this. You rate and like PDV, I don’t. I still support our players 100% and always will.

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  • @Whindy (Comment 127) :

    @Richard Ferguson (Comment 128) :

    I reckon Lambie has to go to the World Cup. Taking Steyn will result in the Boks repeating their 2010 Tri Nations performance. I really believe that apart from being an awesome goal kicker Steyn is a liability at flyhalf.

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 136) : I said I don’t like that type of kicking fullback when did I say he is kak? I said he had a kak game last night! For someone who thinks he knows alott about rugby you don’t know much!

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  • @jonnow (Comment 140) :

    Are you for real?

    Who do you take as first choice flyhalf then? Tell me that..

  • Comment 142, posted at 07.11.10 12:39:20 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 131) : I have never called Div a clown?? I just question his ability to manage the side when it gets really close i.e. subs. Just because the Boks win, does not necessarily mean they did a great job, they should have had that game wrapped up by the Hour mark, instead they nearly lost the slam, before they started, remember a draw is the same as a loss in the slam. Does he deserve credit for that??

  • Comment 143, posted at 07.11.10 12:40:03 by Whindy Reply
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  • Sheesh cool it guys, let’s concentrate on playing the ball and not the man.

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  • @Ben (Comment 141) :

    I never said I know a lot about rugby, but you clearly think you do..

    Im still waiting to hear who you think should play in place of Steyn?

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 136) : @Ben (Comment 141) : sorry meant flyhalf

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  • @Ben (Comment 130) :
    Debate is good, but you need to realise that you are giving an “opinion” like everybody else – no more or less valuable.

    For what its worth, in my *opinion*, Steyn was best suited to the conditions and did pretty good.

    I really hope Pat improves his place-kicking rapidly though – cos in every other way, he is a far superior flyhalf.

    @Sportbilly (Comment 125) :
    WRONG!

    The coaches and the strategy won that game for us – individually, that was a pretty weak team.

    All of us, including you and I, slated the selections. Ultimately, every single selection paid off, and we played the conditions well.

    Well done to the coaches!

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  • I reckon with some decent game time leading up to the World Cup Lambie will be ready.

    His goal kicking needs some work, but it’s nothing that percy can’t help him fix between now and then.

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 145) : geeeee wizzz dude stop getting your panties all in a bunch okay! Then ill play butch james on flyhalf with lambie as backup! Happy?

  • Comment 149, posted at 07.11.10 12:43:28 by Ben Reply
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  • On the tactics employed on the field…

    PDV, “”That’s the way we play. For us to stick to our plan was heartwarming.”

    Matfield, “”You couldn’t keep the ball in hand, even if that was your plan, because the weather didn’t allow that.”

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 147) : What’s that you said about opinion? :lol:

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 147) : And if O’Gara’s kick had gone over? Would u be saying the same thing Big Fish? Doubt it squire..

  • Comment 152, posted at 07.11.10 12:46:38 by Sportbilly Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 149) :

    Haha.. All I can do is laugh.. Your so called rugby expertise clearly shows..

  • Comment 153, posted at 07.11.10 12:46:47 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @jonnow (Comment 140) : Jonnow , think about the world cup, its a knockout tournament remember, and Steyn is a match winner. 95 Stransky drop goal.07 F Steyn kicking, won it and you want to leave Steyn at home and take a flyhalf, who so far is not a proven goal kicker?? I do not doubt Lambie’s credentials I just think you are discarding Morne Steyn way to early

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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 151) :
    Didn’t say I was handing downb gospel, now did I?

    @Sportbilly (Comment 152) :
    Yes I would: we should not have won that game: we out-thought them, and their scores later on were due to a bit of luck, not the subs.

  • Comment 155, posted at 07.11.10 12:49:42 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 155) : To quote you, ‘we should not have won that game’? Was I watching the right game? Channel 201 Supersport? :lol:

  • Comment 156, posted at 07.11.10 12:51:49 by Sportbilly Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 153) : So because I like an attacking flyhalve more than an kicking one means you know more about rugby than me? Stop getting personal idiot I was giving you my opinion!

  • Comment 157, posted at 07.11.10 12:52:49 by Ben Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 147) : @Big Fish (Comment 155) : Well said. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 158, posted at 07.11.10 12:53:30 by McLovin Reply

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  • All that kept the Irish in the game were two lucky bounces which lead to two tries.

    Like someone said above, on another day it would have been Aplon running 80m to score under the sticks. And Lambie wouldn’t have missed the conversion. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 159, posted at 07.11.10 12:55:05 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 155) : IMO we won the game cause we outmuscled them in the forwards, Big Vic mocked their lineout and our scrum gave us decent front foot ball. Ruan Pienaar has a good game at the base.

    Game got close cause we bought on some dubious sub’s whilst Stringer and O’Gara added experience and value in those conditions.

    That’s how I saw it..

  • Comment 160, posted at 07.11.10 12:58:59 by Sportbilly Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 154) :

    I hear what you are saying, but I just cannot see the Boks winning the world Cup with Morne at flyhalf. We had a proven goal kicker in the Tri nations this year and look how we did. Lambie will have more experience by the time World Cup comes than Frans Steyn had in ’07 and he stepped up to the plate just fine, proving many who doubted the wisdom of taking an untested 20 year old to the WC wrong.

  • Comment 161, posted at 07.11.10 12:59:25 by jonnow Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 157) :

    You got personal dude.. I just think that your opinion of a world class flyhalf that took apart the Britsh Lions last year and won us a Tri Nations is a joke..

    But that is just my opinion at the end of the day.

  • Comment 162, posted at 07.11.10 13:02:11 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 160) : I watched the same game as you only on Showtime Sport 2 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 163, posted at 07.11.10 13:02:52 by Whindy Reply
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  • I do think the PDV debate is one probably not worth delving into as it takes the shine off a gutsy win. BIG UP TO THE BOKS!

    WPW, Big Fish, McLovin, I have a PDV screensaver I can send you guys if you keen? ;-)

  • Comment 164, posted at 07.11.10 13:05:21 by Sportbilly Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 163) : Glad to hear it! I thought maybe the Windhoek was off.

  • Comment 165, posted at 07.11.10 13:06:23 by Sportbilly Reply

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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 156) :
    Yes, same game. Also the game that you wrote off in such convincing prose 2 days ago. Remember that?

    In the context of what we had available, and speaking before the match, we would have taken a narrow loss or victory.

    What the coach delivered was a victory. Pretty silly to only refer to the 80 minutes in the middle now – let’s talk about expectations before the game.

    @McLovin (Comment 159) :
    People’s perception are their reality. I guess I will celebrate while some others self-flagellate: its less painful. :lol:

  • Comment 166, posted at 07.11.10 13:07:04 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 164) : Got one already thanks. And a poster above my bed. ;-) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 167, posted at 07.11.10 13:07:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 162) : when did I get personal Rich? I admitt I’m no rugby expert but I’m not a morne steyn fan.

  • Comment 168, posted at 07.11.10 13:09:23 by Ben Reply
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  • jonnow (Comment 161) :That my friend depends upon the game plan, agree with you if we play an expansive game, but if the players in charge stick to what they have so far then you have to stay with Steyn. Remember the wonderful All Blacks with their expansive adjustable game last won the world Cup in 1987. Defense and pressure wins world cups and an expansive game does not bring this about, again this is in my dumb and not all together bright (according to Ben), opinion!!

  • Comment 169, posted at 07.11.10 13:09:41 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 164) : And you are right, PdV certainly divides opinion. :twisted:

  • Comment 170, posted at 07.11.10 13:09:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • Oh, and one more thing about Mr de Villiers. Back when Jake White was coach I decided to judge the Bok coach (and players) on results alone. :smile:

  • Comment 171, posted at 07.11.10 13:12:30 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 171) : Good call with our coaching history!! :oops:

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  • @Whindy (Comment 169) : I apoligise if I offended you was all worked up! Sorry

  • Comment 173, posted at 07.11.10 13:15:21 by Ben Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 166) : Read my post again boet. Never wrote off the game, just criticized the lack of planning and the messages being delivered to fans and players alike.

  • Comment 174, posted at 07.11.10 13:24:27 by Sportbilly Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 173) : No problem, no offence taken, just remember we all have an opinion, You may not agree with all of them I certainly don’t.

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  • @Whindy (Comment 175) : Yeah but the world cup will reveal all! :)

  • Comment 176, posted at 07.11.10 13:28:19 by Ben Reply
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  • Agreed!!

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  • Not many teams dominate Ireland at home in the last 10 min ..The coaching staff knew that and got the fresh blokes on in time ..

    I doubt very much that it would have been critized or an issue for that matter except for the bounce of the ball in trying conditions.

  • Comment 178, posted at 07.11.10 13:41:58 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 103) :

    You are confusing!!
    You say the guy was kak, and insist that he WAS, but can’t give any specifics on what he did wrong?

    Do you have instances of where he was kak or just an opinion?

  • Comment 179, posted at 07.11.10 13:44:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 124) : :lol:

    Ben feels the same way about Steyn that I feel about Victoria.

    The difference is that most of the time “I” KNOW that I am being unreasonable. :wink:

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 180) :

    :mrgreen:

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 179) : its my opinion and can’t remember all the instances but I’m maybe just over selling it cause I can’t stand the guy! :)

  • Comment 182, posted at 07.11.10 14:00:19 by Ben Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 180) :

    Come on admit it ..last night for a nano second you admired him ;-)

  • Comment 183, posted at 07.11.10 14:05:15 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 183) :

    No, I was pissed off that he got MOTM, becasue that meant I’d have to eat humble pie. :razz:

    I’m not saying anything more on the matter. :razz:

  • Comment 184, posted at 07.11.10 14:37:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 4) : i backed the boks by 10 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 185, posted at 07.11.10 15:47:19 by chaz Reply

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  • Well done Boks i knew the team could do it and i was so proud of our Lambie when he made his cap for the snr team :mrgreen:

  • Comment 186, posted at 07.11.10 15:48:27 by chaz Reply

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  • I see some of my fellow bloggers think kirshner did well, HELLOOOOOOOOO!!!!

    Please go back and watch the game again, Habanna made one good try saving tack but apart from that, he does not deserve that jearsey! Kirshner I feel sorry for he did not choose himself…lambie did well to straithen the line…and took the line up well…hope he gets a start vs Scotland, pienaar good game, spies…needs to be benched…alberts to start…can’t play lambie without jean on his shoulder, just stupid stupid strategy!!!mvovu on the wing…or hougard…

  • Comment 187, posted at 07.11.10 18:05:19 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • Lambie is very impressive with the ball in his hands. Not much when the ball is in the opponents hands.

    Anybody watched the CC final?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LYQpDBEY50

    Judging by how Kankowski cruised by him, I’d say he is too slow for a test fullback.

  • Comment 188, posted at 08.11.10 03:00:36 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 147) :

    The selections worked out great. The substitutions did not.

    Would have made much more sense to bring Lambie in for the not completely healthy de Villiers and Jacobs for Basson. Jacobs at 13, Aplon at 14 and Kirchner at 15 would have been the reasonable option to safely close out the game.

    As it was the Boks’ defense went from solid to chaotic in the blink a substitution or two and with Steyn off the field they gave up a certain 3 and possibly 6 extra points.

  • Comment 189, posted at 08.11.10 03:13:03 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 159) :

    There was an advantage to the Irish – No 80m runs would have been allowed. Just another penalty in front of the sticks.

  • Comment 190, posted at 08.11.10 05:16:12 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : rob any word on KOckett signing at other union? Heard piet myburg also leaving province specilation for the lions…heard kockett doesn’t want to leave durban? But hade a little riff with some team mates and then the couch??? I hope he continues his career at the sharks…any other developments? New signings there was in a article about the boys extending ext…any updates? Would love the inside scoop rob…

  • Comment 191, posted at 08.11.10 08:05:50 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • ok, my 5c worth.

    vic was huge on the night, he dominated the lineout, tackled well and even cleaned at ruck and maul time. initially i thought beast might get the nod as man of the match, and was a little surprised that vic got it ahead of him. after watching the highlights (twice), i think vic probably deserved it just a teeny bit more.

    beast was the only forward to get over the adv line regularly. even though we dominated up front, our ball carriers did not gain that much ground. the irish forwards double-teamed, and triple-teamed our ball carriers. hence spies, and bismarck getting carried back on occassion.

    bismarck was good, jannie also respectable. bakkies played a very disciplined game. stegmann had more of an impact than people are ready to give him credit for. smith was good, as always. spies had his best test of the year, and as huge on defense, and carried the ball much better.

    pienaar was solid, one or two wrong options, but prob one of our best backs on the day, if not the best. steyn was average, but looks to be getting better after the reconditioning. already much better than in the CC semi.

    JDV organised the defence well, Zane did better than what anyone expected. i almost got the feeling fans were hoping that he would fail (how petty is that?). not that zane is a threat to JF and JDJ’s spot at 13.

    Basson and Habana had solid games, taking into account they didn’t have much ball. Aplon was a mixed bag, he was solid under the high ball, but out of position alot.

  • Comment 192, posted at 08.11.10 09:17:16 by bloubulblog Reply

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  • oh, and lets keep in mind that noth irish tries had a good dose of luck…

    we could easily have won by 12-15 points…

  • Comment 193, posted at 08.11.10 09:18:18 by bloubulblog Reply

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  • The one thing that really frustrated me was near the end of the match we have an attacking lineout and we choose to waste time ..

    We were mauling the socks out of the Irish!

  • Comment 194, posted at 08.11.10 09:22:14 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • There seems to be a lot of anti-Steyn sentiment, but everyone tends to forget that he almost single-handedly made us the near-unbeatable Boks of 2009.

    Bearing in mind that he has been the most played bok since 2009, I think he needs to be cut some slack… and ideally needs to be given a rest!

    Remember, next year’s WC is in NZ and in all likelyhood (based on the last few rounds of the ITM) the WC will be played in wet conditions. Someone of Steyn’s ability when it comes to taking the kicks will be invaluable in those conditions…

  • Comment 195, posted at 08.11.10 09:50:49 by CS Reply

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  • Did anyone watch All Out Rugby last night?

    They were showing clips of the change-room celebrations… and in one clip it showed PDiv blatantly ignoring Gold’s out-stretched congratulatory hand! Shocking!!!

  • Comment 196, posted at 08.11.10 09:53:15 by CS Reply

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  • @bloubulblog (Comment 192) :
    “Zane did better than what anyone expected. i almost got the feeling fans were hoping that he would fail (how petty is that?).
    What a point, very sad that almost everyone wanted him to fail. Is it because of Zane? Or PdV?
    Lots of supporters seem to be struggling to enjoy the win (that no one expected, wasn’t it going to be 10-15 against us?).

  • Comment 197, posted at 08.11.10 10:00:17 by molly Reply
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  • Was it Stegmann involved in the fight 50m away from the play?

  • Comment 198, posted at 08.11.10 10:06:44 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 196) :

    Bro, Gary Gold has been undermining Div since he became coach.

    He leaks stories to his mates in the media first claiming the assistant coaches are running the team. When that didnt work he claimed the players were in charge.

    Gary Gold is a backstabbing git!! :evil:

  • Comment 199, posted at 08.11.10 10:22:30 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 199) : Fair enough… but still pretty childish from Div.

  • Comment 200, posted at 08.11.10 10:32:17 by CS Reply

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  • Sorry in my opinion..Spies had his best test for the year?? Then he’s previous test must have been really reaaly shit. Sorry, but he is way overrated. I would love to be proved wrong by stats, but he did not carry the ball much, and he’s defens IMO was unnoticable…

  • Comment 201, posted at 08.11.10 10:43:55 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 195) : Couldn’t agree with you more. If world cups continue the way they have statistically, we need that man more that we need Lambie (don’t crucify me) Statistics show that the world cup is won on a strong set piece, an aggressive defence and an ability to turn
    transgressions into points, we still have all those abilities and Morne Steyn is vital in terms of the last one, even if you don’t like the fact that he is a Blue Bull and kicks well. remember the world Cup is not like a Tri nations, its knockout so bonus points count for nothing, at the later stages of the tournament.

  • Comment 202, posted at 08.11.10 10:44:09 by Whindy Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 199) : And Div isn’t, looking for replacements for them (Gold and Dick), was not exactly above board either, not disagreeing with you about Gold, but Div is no angel either. He should have canned Gold at the beginning of the season when he wanted too, he leaked that there was a problem then to the press, but never followed through. I think that sometimes he is a bit naive when dealing with the politics of SARU.

  • Comment 203, posted at 08.11.10 10:51:38 by Whindy Reply
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  • I think Spies had a good game.

    He carried the ball very well from the base of the scrum.

    His defense was also superb!!

    Can we please stop this provincial bullshit and rate players based on their actual performance and not on the provincial team they represent?? :roll:

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    I agree about him being naive. :???:

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 201) : if you have listened to all the complaints regarding spies throughout the year, you would have noticed that he was “barely on the field” for most of the boks tests this year. and all the same critics that has been bashing him all year, now can’t give him even the slighest bit of credit? this smacks of provincialism

  • Comment 206, posted at 08.11.10 10:55:43 by bloubulblog Reply

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  • Zane filled a gap,get a real 13.
    Stegman was average.
    Spies was average.Spies is a much better player.

    If Juan didnt get his try from a intercept we would have probably lost to a team that played average.

  • Comment 207, posted at 08.11.10 11:04:03 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • I thought Spies had a good game, I’m still very keen to see a loose trio of Stegman, Smith and Alberts. But Spies gave us quite a bit of go forward ball and tackled well.
    Our pack was just amazing.

  • Comment 208, posted at 08.11.10 11:04:33 by molly Reply
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  • @ BBB not at all – as I said it was my opinion..not anyone else’s. Maybe one expect “more” of a giant that is obviously rated by most people, so in that sense I do not think he did all that well. And I will add that I don’t think Kanko would have been any better! (Now I am gonna get blixemed). If you see a guy like Spies being carried backwards, its to me a concern! Fair enough, I am a mother who also need to do stuff, so from the pieces I have seen, I was not impressed…that’s all!

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 209) : Spies, Smith, Bismark, Jannie all got carried backwards. The Irish boys were committing 2/3 players to a tackle and pushed us back alot. The only one to go forward consistantly was Beast.

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 209) : did you see bismarck being stopped in his tracks? even carried back a couple of times? and even though beast was our best ball carrier on the night, he was drilled in the tackle once or twice.

    the irish forwards defended well. they doubled, and even tripled up on our ball carriers.

    i am not sure how good espn scrums’ stats are, but according to them spies made 6 tackles, not missing a single one. he also made more running metres (11 runs for 31m) than what beast (9 runs for 21m) did.

    most tackles were made by stegmann and juan with 8, and 0 missed. second was bismarck with 7 and 0, and then came spies.

    an according to them bismarck conceded two penalties as well.

    this is from http://www.espnscrum.com/south-africa-tour-2010/rugby/match/104318.html

    like i said, i am not too sure how accurate their stats are.

  • Comment 211, posted at 08.11.10 11:12:18 by bloubulblog Reply

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  • forgot to mention, spies got 2 turnovers as well

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 209) :

    Spies along with Bismarck were carried backwards only because the Irish forwards ‘double teamed’ and in some cases had THREE players tackle our ball carriers!!

  • Comment 213, posted at 08.11.10 11:14:22 by wpw Reply
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  • o,an have a look at matfield’s stats in the lineout.

    11 takes on bok ball, and 2 steal on irish ball. not to mention the countless times that our lineout competed and spoiled all night.

    for those that still doubt vic should play WC, i hope he proved you wrong.

    read an article how he spent the last two weeks analysing the irish line out, and it certainly paid dividends for the bok team.

  • Comment 214, posted at 08.11.10 11:15:17 by bloubulblog Reply

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 209) : Ice he was on his own against 2/3 guys, who were expecting him, what did you think was going to happen. I think he has had one of his better games. Remember the rest of the world has analised this guy so you will not see those breakaway tries he scored when he first started, they mark him out of his socks and especially with his superman image. Kanko I am afraid to say has not done much either and for the very same reason, people are aware of his strengths and weaknesses.

  • Comment 215, posted at 08.11.10 11:17:47 by Whindy Reply
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  • BBB and that’s why I said maybe stats will prove me wrong…geezlikit, this attack smacks more of provincialism than anything else!:twisted:

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  • @wpw (Comment 213) : Glad we watched the same game ;-)

  • Comment 217, posted at 08.11.10 11:18:40 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 216) : i am just giving you my opinion. didn;t mean to attack you.

    i am just having a bad monday. and with alot of fans (not you) attacking bulls players, i have to make a point.

    and i do support the bulls, so i will defend our players a little more vehemently than players from another team. but i will never, unlike some fans, wish a player to fail because he is from another union.

  • Comment 218, posted at 08.11.10 11:22:34 by bloubulblog Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 215) : Precisely the reason I “expected” more! But so sorry that I even vented MY opinion…

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  • @wpw (Comment 204) :

    Okay.
    You show us how it is done.

  • Comment 220, posted at 08.11.10 11:24:08 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • one interesting thing from the game stats

    Boks made 65 tackles, and missed only 3. Ireland made 122 and missed 2. both stats very good.

    shows how committed ireland was in defence though. missing 2 out of 124 tackles, is very, very well done

  • Comment 221, posted at 08.11.10 11:24:23 by bloubulblog Reply

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  • @bloubulblog (Comment 218) : Neither am I, sol let me rather give my opinion at work on this Blue monday! :lol:

  • Comment 222, posted at 08.11.10 11:28:39 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 219) : Ice, its cool that you have your opinion, but this is a discussion site, no one is attacking your opinion, we’re just discussing him and showing a different point of view from yours. No one is saying your opinion sucks or anything, at least not that I’ve seen.

  • Comment 223, posted at 08.11.10 11:31:11 by molly Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 219) : dont take it personally, you are entitled to say what ever you like, and normally do :lol:

  • Comment 224, posted at 08.11.10 11:32:00 by Whindy Reply
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  • @bloubulblog (Comment 221) : Bet you Kirchner missed ALL 3 of those ;-) kidding, it was Adi :twisted:

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  • @wpw (Comment 204) : where did I indicate at all that because Spies is a bull, I dont think he had a good game!?? Stop jumping on a bandwagon u don’t belong on, Chihuahua!

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  • @molly (Comment 223) : I am very aware of thayt fact, Mols! I was here when it opened! I don’t mind (as Whindy said ) to give My opinion, but takeit as such, and don’t critisize it it for being provincialistic! I said I only saw pieces, and of what I saw I was not impressed and that I expected more from someone with his abilituy! In hindsight I am actually complimenting the guy…

  • Comment 227, posted at 08.11.10 11:42:52 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 227) : my apologies if it seemed like i was accusing you directly of provincialism.

    over the last week or so, i have just had too much of it. and when i vented, it might have come out slightly in your direction.

    fact is that there were fans hoping kirchner would fail the experiment at 13 (and while he perhaps didn’t pass with flying colours, he did what was required). and in our country we have alot of fans, that criticize players from other unions, simply because they do not like that union and its supporters. and the union that takes the most of that unwarranted flak, is the union i support.

  • Comment 228, posted at 08.11.10 11:47:32 by bloubulblog Reply

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 226) :

    Sorry Ice. :roll:

    The last comment was not necessarily aimed at you…

    Since Saturday evening I’ve read tons of comments on twitter and various rugby blogs and the majority of ‘fans’ = fickle supporters, have been very critical of the players even though most of them played extremely well.

    Let’s just say I’m on the warpath and you got in the way!!

    I apologise if I offended you!! :cry:

  • Comment 229, posted at 08.11.10 11:50:05 by wpw Reply
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  • @bloubulblog (Comment 228) :

    I agree 100%.

    I have been guilty of this in the past but ja, lets just say I’ve turned over a new leaf!! ;-)

  • Comment 230, posted at 08.11.10 11:52:24 by wpw Reply
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  • @bloubulblog (Comment 228) : @wpw (Comment 229) : All’s good in love and war! :wink:

  • Comment 231, posted at 08.11.10 11:54:41 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 227) : o…k… don’t know where I said anything about provincialism, but got it.

  • Comment 232, posted at 08.11.10 11:56:12 by molly Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 196) : Was it Gold or the physio?

  • Comment 233, posted at 08.11.10 12:13:02 by billy Reply

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  • @ Molly -I did not say u did! No worries, it’s sorted..

  • Comment 234, posted at 08.11.10 12:13:41 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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