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Chili and Basson suspended


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 15 Nov 2010 at 14:37
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Springboks Chiliboy Ralepelle and Bjorn Basson are returning home from South Africa’s tour of Britain and Ireland having returned positive samples for a banned stimulant following the Test against Ireland on November 6.

Six Nations Rugby Ltd – who administers the November internationals – informed the South African Rugby Union of the positive Tests on Sunday evening. As a result the pair are provisionally suspended from all rugby and will return to South Africa on Monday. Basson injured an ankle in Saturday’s win over Wales and was due to return anyway.

The players were randomly drawn for testing by anti-doping officials following the Test at the Aviva Stadium. The players have the right to request that their ‘B’ sample be tested.

The pair returned an adverse analytical finding for methylhexaneamine, a “non-specified stimulant” on the prohibited substances list of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). It is scheduled to be re-classified as a “specified stimulant” from 1 January 2011.

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261 Comments

  • :shock: :shock: Random Sample? I hope they were not the only ones selected for that match and that there were some that actually passed the test. How many players are selected randomly from each international?

  • Comment 1, posted at 15.11.10 14:41:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Eish! :roll:

  • Comment 2, posted at 15.11.10 14:42:23 by Bump Reply

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  • This cant be true!

    They didnt play like they were on any performance-enchancing substances! :roll: :evil:

  • Comment 3, posted at 15.11.10 14:45:10 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 1) : I was just thinking the same thing :roll:

  • Comment 4, posted at 15.11.10 14:45:34 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 3) :

    Haha.. good one..

  • Comment 5, posted at 15.11.10 14:45:46 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Alrighty then!!

    And both of them are Blou Bulle!! :twisted:

  • Comment 6, posted at 15.11.10 14:46:31 by wpw Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 5) :
    They could at least have shared it with Habana anyway. :twisted:

    Seriously though, this is a national shame. If it is true – it deserves a lenghty ban. Neither player is younger than 24 I believe – old enough to know better.

  • Comment 7, posted at 15.11.10 14:47:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 3) : It obviously effected Chilliboy…he either couldn’t hear the line out calls properly or his motor skills were screwed :twisted:

  • Comment 8, posted at 15.11.10 14:48:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 3) : my sentiments too…

    Wes, that’s exactly what my 2IC said! (He is a BB!) LOL

  • Comment 9, posted at 15.11.10 14:49:02 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • Methylhexaneamine (Forthan, Forthane, Floradrene, Geranamine), also known as dimethylamylamine (DMAA), is a drug and simple aliphatic amine used as a nasal decongestant, as well as treatment for hypertrophied or hyperplasic oral tissues[1], and as an active ingredient in party pills in New Zealand[2]. Once trademarked under Forthane by Eli Lilly in 1971[3], the trademark has since expired, and so methylhexaneamine should not be confused with isoflurane, whose proprietary name in Australia is also Forthane. It is a vasoconstrictor, and can be administered by inhalation to the nasal mucosa to exert its effect. The trademark Geranamine is currently owned by Proviant Technologies. Methylhexaneamine is also a constituent of flower oil, sold as an integral component of nutritional supplements.

  • Comment 10, posted at 15.11.10 14:51:33 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 6) :
    Miskien they took maar the wrong pille at the boeretechno partytjie?

    @Pokkel (Comment 8) :
    Nooit man – he just didnt know his own stregnth when he was throwing the ball.

  • Comment 11, posted at 15.11.10 14:51:56 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 3) : i don’t know much about the testing but would be guessing that to have a desired effect you need to have certain dosage and the anti-doping tests will pick up even a trace.

  • Comment 12, posted at 15.11.10 14:53:25 by rekinek Reply
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  • i will be hoping that it was a mere mistake on their part and nothing intentional. but I guess the public will never know this for sure.

    I mean the players take supplements, vitamins whateva you call it, plus they take medications I would assume.

  • Comment 13, posted at 15.11.10 14:55:37 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 11) : :lol:

  • Comment 14, posted at 15.11.10 14:57:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Helium Pete: “The Springboks back Chilliboy and Bjorn 100%”

  • Comment 15, posted at 15.11.10 14:58:37 by klempie Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 13) : Sorry, a mistake is no excuse. They are professionals, and should have learned by now not to put anything into their bodies without knowing exactly what is in there.

  • Comment 16, posted at 15.11.10 14:59:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 15) : Please tell me that is your dislike for PdV speaking and not actually his words. :twisted:

  • Comment 17, posted at 15.11.10 15:00:15 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 16) : I agree professional athletes shouldn’t take anything unless okay’d by team doctor.

  • Comment 18, posted at 15.11.10 15:02:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 12) :
    Um, you do know I was kidding, right? :lol:

  • Comment 19, posted at 15.11.10 15:03:31 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 16) : i know it is not an excuse but perhaps mitigating circumstances, otherwise it’s too ghastly to contemplate.

  • Comment 20, posted at 15.11.10 15:03:51 by rekinek Reply
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  • The Boks have to somehow make it very clear that this is a problem with just a couple of players and that the use of stimulants is not widespread throughout the team. If they are unable to make this clear, then they may as well all pack their bags and go home because every win on this tour will be tainted and will only serve to expose the Boks as cheats. Something has to be done to nip this in the bud now.

  • Comment 21, posted at 15.11.10 15:04:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • “It is scheduled to be re-classified as a “specified stimulant” from 1 January 2011.” one may say hey are ahead of their times :twisted:

  • Comment 22, posted at 15.11.10 15:06:05 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 18) : exactly. I have heard that excuse from cyclists for too long….”I didn’t know the cold medicine I took contained a banned substance.” Sorry not acceptable.

  • Comment 23, posted at 15.11.10 15:06:06 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 21) : Trust P divvy to screw this up totally…at least it will make for a good laugh

  • Comment 24, posted at 15.11.10 15:07:16 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 19) : of course not. I take you very seriously.
    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 15.11.10 15:07:16 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 20) : Sorry, I see this as a very sharp line, either you take a banned substance or not. Unless the team doctor told you it was OK to take the substance, there is simply no other excuse or mitigating factor.

  • Comment 26, posted at 15.11.10 15:07:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 13) : If they need to take medication that is on the banned list they have to get special permission from WADA (eg, asthmatics)

    It also doesn’t matter how much is in their system, the fact that it is in their system is enough for a ban.

    In the Bok setup, I didn’t know it was banned the salesperson told me it was safe isn’t a good enough excuse.

  • Comment 27, posted at 15.11.10 15:09:03 by lostfish Reply
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  • More info on what ever they were taking.
    http://thecatlinperspective.wordpress.com/tag/methylhexaneamine/

  • Comment 28, posted at 15.11.10 15:09:09 by Pokkel Reply
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  • This drug is found in supplements that u buy of the shelf. South Africa seriosly needs to regulate the intake of supplements. I can bet many gym fundis and high school sportsmen fall foul of anti-doping laws.

  • Comment 29, posted at 15.11.10 15:09:29 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 24) : Sorry Pokkel, I won’t get a laugh out of this. Doping and the banning of players for doping is simply too serious an issue worldwide. Many might say the WADA rules are overly intrusive, but there is a specific reason each substance is placed on their banned list.

  • Comment 30, posted at 15.11.10 15:10:00 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Mocho (Comment 29) : Spot on. What happened to the days where South Africans were stronger simply because of the good food and hard farm work. ;-)

  • Comment 31, posted at 15.11.10 15:12:00 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 31) : And eating half a cow a week. :cool:

  • Comment 32, posted at 15.11.10 15:13:58 by klempie Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 30) : I can get very worked up about Snor and his statements but I’ve decided not to get worked up about him anymore.

  • Comment 33, posted at 15.11.10 15:14:37 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 26) : i agree that they need to be punished and professional players representing a country should be properly managed by team doctors. When you actually look at it properly this does not reflect well at the Boks management ie. they should ensure that players know what is what.

    I am just hoping that this was stupidity, mistake and not intentional drug taking. Because the latter really does not bode well for SA rugby.

  • Comment 34, posted at 15.11.10 15:14:55 by rekinek Reply
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  • I am gutted that these two drug cheats are associated with the Boks. I hate to see such a great rugby team (historically) being dragged down like this.

  • Comment 35, posted at 15.11.10 15:15:06 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Spies looks like a bodybuilder………..just sayin

  • Comment 36, posted at 15.11.10 15:15:47 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 34) : Honestly either looks really bad for the Boks. If intentional clearly it is bad, if a mistake, then the Bok management and team Doctors are not doing their job, or the players are taking something behind their back, either of which also looks really bad for the Boks

  • Comment 37, posted at 15.11.10 15:17:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • spies not tested???pfff

  • Comment 38, posted at 15.11.10 15:19:32 by baw Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 37) : This really saddens me…..maybe I am just getting old, but in the past South Africans have stood out on the world stage because of pride and who they were, not because of what they took.

  • Comment 39, posted at 15.11.10 15:19:41 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 36) : :lol:

  • Comment 40, posted at 15.11.10 15:21:00 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • It was only put on the band list this year

  • Comment 41, posted at 15.11.10 15:22:09 by baw Reply

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  • Although intended by Eli Lilly to be used as a nasal decongestant, methylhexaneamine has been marketed by certain companies as a dietary supplement in combination with caffeine and other ingredients, under trade names such as Geranamine and Floradrene, to be used as an OTC thermogenic or general purpose stimulant.-ie some sought of pre workout drink -simmilar to that which the kid from grey was banned? probably jack3d

  • Comment 42, posted at 15.11.10 15:24:31 by baw Reply

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  • excuse my ignorance on this subject, but what happens if a player goes to a specialist for a condition he feels embarresed about and does not want the team doctor, his team mates and the whole country to be aware of and this specialist unknowingly prescribes something on the banned list. some conditions players would probably be embarresed about could include
    std’s and psychological problems
    none the less this is a serious problem

  • Comment 43, posted at 15.11.10 15:27:35 by prgdad Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 20) : if basson is banned for 2 years it will be one very expensive loss for the bulls

  • Comment 44, posted at 15.11.10 15:29:21 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @prgdad (Comment 43) : something like this happens :roll:

  • Comment 45, posted at 15.11.10 15:31:29 by rekinek Reply
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  • @prgdad (Comment 43) : I am sure that medical discussions between a player and team doctor are held confidential unless the condition will prevent the player from performing for the team. As a professional, if their medical condition will prevent them from performing up to snuff for their employer, the employer should be informed.

  • Comment 46, posted at 15.11.10 15:31:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 44) : so there is a silver lining :twisted:

    but seriously though. If I were them I would get the lawyers to look whether this is not a breach of contract allowing for termination.

  • Comment 47, posted at 15.11.10 15:32:43 by rekinek Reply
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  • fact is that what they where band for is probably no worse than what youd find in half the school boys of any given first team . In laymens terms it is like an “energade” with creatine ,cafeine in it oh and Methylhexanamine ,which apparantly is banned

  • Comment 48, posted at 15.11.10 15:33:03 by baw Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 46) : Also, any specialist should keep the team doctor (who while the player is a part of team, is their primary care physician) informed and should discuss with the team doctor any medication recommended. This is simply good medical practice, the specialist should never prescribe anything without knowing exactly what other conditions the patient may have or what medication they may be on.

  • Comment 49, posted at 15.11.10 15:35:09 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @baw (Comment 48) : and it will probably affect the sentence ie. will be considered a mitigating factor.

    However, in the meantime SA rugby name will be tarnished and unfortunately they are supposed to know better than schoolboys.

  • Comment 50, posted at 15.11.10 15:36:59 by rekinek Reply
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  • @baw (Comment 48) : No excuse whatever the bad or good reason, the substance is banned, and the players and team doctors are expected to know this.

  • Comment 51, posted at 15.11.10 15:37:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • i will be pleased for the boks rwc chances if chiliboy is banned. can’t someone slip something into habanas drink? could basson’s “injury” have been a cover as the boks had tested him and found the substance in his blood? i don’t recall seeing him limp off the field.

  • Comment 52, posted at 15.11.10 15:38:24 by try time Reply

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  • @prgdad (Comment 43) : The player must inform the Dr that he is a prof rugby player and the Drs do have available the banned substance list. If he has to use some medicine on list, he will have to quit playing until his condition is cleared. No excuses. I know a school boy that is swimming and he will not take a pain tablet from you if he himself take it out of the bottle. He knows what is not banned. I do not feel sorry for the guys. Ignorance of the law is no excuse

  • Comment 53, posted at 15.11.10 15:40:32 by Stef Reply

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  • They will ma have to take it…like Ackers did..

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  • @rekinek (Comment 50) : @rekinek (Comment 50) : true ,no excuses ,this just gos further to show how poor the management of players are ,these things should be known!
    @Dancing Bear (Comment 51) : True

  • Comment 55, posted at 15.11.10 15:41:08 by baw Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 52) : hahaha! habana who scored 8 tries last world cup? give the guy a break

  • Comment 56, posted at 15.11.10 15:42:04 by baw Reply

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  • @Stef (Comment 53) : Spot on. Said what I have been trying to say eloquently and in one paragraph. :wink:

  • Comment 57, posted at 15.11.10 15:42:11 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @baw (Comment 55) : I agree that player management leaves much to be desired, but honestly doesn’t the player ultimately have the responsibility to ensure they compete in their sport within the rules or laws of the sport, and this includes the anti-doping rules?

  • Comment 58, posted at 15.11.10 15:45:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I’m dissappointed. But i’ll reserve comment and judgement until after the hearing and the ‘B’ sample is tested.

  • Comment 59, posted at 15.11.10 15:47:20 by Zebra Reply

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  • Oh dear !

    And its starting to rain aswell :sad:

  • Comment 60, posted at 15.11.10 15:47:41 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 54) : and Herkie. :wink:

  • Comment 61, posted at 15.11.10 15:47:43 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @baw (Comment 56) : and how many since then?

  • Comment 62, posted at 15.11.10 15:48:16 by try time Reply

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  • @Stef (Comment 53) : actually this old roman maxim happened to be adjusted in the modern times and nowadays ignorance of the law can serve as an excuse.

  • Comment 63, posted at 15.11.10 15:48:23 by rekinek Reply
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  • @baw (Comment 56) :

    by that logic we should give Jona Lomu a run as well :P

  • Comment 64, posted at 15.11.10 15:49:30 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zebra (Comment 59) : noble.

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  • @baw (Comment 56) : he scored 8 in the world cup. only two against a decent team (argentina)

    Since then he has only scored 8 in 3 years. 3 of which were against italy. unfortunately it is his defence that worries me most and unfortunately i cannot find stats on this.

  • Comment 66, posted at 15.11.10 15:56:06 by try time Reply

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  • Well atleast the lions bought the hooker without the ‘habit’ :grin:

  • Comment 67, posted at 15.11.10 15:58:17 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • So how does this drug help your performance?

    Does it make you run faster or stronger or what?

    Watching Chilli throw in at the lineouts I have sometimes wondered whether he’s on drugs. :twisted:

  • Comment 68, posted at 15.11.10 15:58:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • Don’t suppose Pedries Mum was going through their draws …

  • Comment 69, posted at 15.11.10 15:59:32 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • YOu guys are all so quick to judge and jump to conclusions here..

    What happened to supporting your team?!

    Why dont we all just calm down a bit, take a chill-pill. The drug was going to okayed from the beginning of next year. How bad can it really be?

    Get behind your team dammit!!

  • Comment 70, posted at 15.11.10 16:00:31 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 70) : there is a difference between a discussion on principles and judging :roll:

  • Comment 71, posted at 15.11.10 16:01:54 by rekinek Reply
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  • Yea I know …its no laughing matter ..just couldn’t help myself..

    I kinda recall a athlete earlier this year testing for the very same thing , who also was recovering from flu ..Will try and find it.

  • Comment 72, posted at 15.11.10 16:02:29 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 68) : maybe he took the wrong dose :twisted:

  • Comment 73, posted at 15.11.10 16:02:40 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 70) :

    Its what people do when recieving news like this..

    Personally storm in a tea cup and will blow over with min banned time.

    Still would love to know what it does to enhance ones performance on a field.

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  • @Stef (Comment 53) : Agreed

  • Comment 75, posted at 15.11.10 16:05:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 70) : Easy, the drug is not going to be allowed starting in January, it is being re-categorized as a specified banned substance.

  • Comment 76, posted at 15.11.10 16:06:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 74) : It does not matter if or how it enhances performance. It is banned by the WADA, and the players are responsible for playing within the rules and laws, including the WADA regulations.

  • Comment 77, posted at 15.11.10 16:07:16 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Well this means that Adriaan Strauss might get some well deserved gametime.

  • Comment 78, posted at 15.11.10 16:07:50 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 77) :

    Sure it doesn’t but there is no harm in me asking what it does for you ..Im interested asto its effects..

  • Comment 79, posted at 15.11.10 16:10:01 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 70) : Hey! Its BECAUSE of pills that there is such a commotion, don’t encourage it now! :lol:

    Come on Rich, get ur blinkers of…they are being suspended…how innocent do u really think they are? Surely SARU would have covered all corners if it was a mistake??

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 78) : And while we are discussing Strauss’s how about sending Andries over in place of Basson? Can you get replacements incase of a ban?

  • Comment 81, posted at 15.11.10 16:14:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 78) : :shock: are you suggesting him as a hooker replacement :twisted: :mrgreen:

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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 79) : I think that it is less about the enhancing effects in a sporting event and more about that it can be an ingredient in meth-amphetamines, a very dangerous and addictive drug worldwide.

  • Comment 83, posted at 15.11.10 16:15:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 81) : You mean Andries Bekker. i think he would be good. He thinks he is a wing :mrgreen:

  • Comment 84, posted at 15.11.10 16:16:13 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 82) : Adriaan is a hooker on tour…Andries is his cousin and the CC Final hero.

  • Comment 85, posted at 15.11.10 16:16:58 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 84) : You getting confused reki?? :grin:

  • Comment 86, posted at 15.11.10 16:18:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 70) : Hey Rich, you definitely got this one wrong. At this moment it is a non-specified stimulant in January it will be a specified stimulant. Still banned either way.

    I don’t need to get behind potential dopers, I will back them again once their name is cleared. In fact, what they did is harming the good name of the team I back. So no I don’t need to back these two players right now. I don’t know their personal character and could not know if they are innocent or guilty, but since they are being sent home the evidence is stacked against complete innocence.

  • Comment 87, posted at 15.11.10 16:18:28 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 83) :

    Just had a quick read about it on Wiki ..an active ingredient in Ecstasy … :shock:

    Strange I saw no Boks rushing on Sat.

  • Comment 88, posted at 15.11.10 16:19:50 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • I can just imagine what a field day the British press is having about this.

  • Comment 89, posted at 15.11.10 16:20:55 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 87) :

    You dont know their personal character…

    You dont know whether they are guilty or not..

    You just want to assume it, so that you can slate them in the mean time. Next year when Basson scores a winning try in a game, are you still going to slate him or are yu going to back him?

    True supporters stick with their team..

  • Comment 90, posted at 15.11.10 16:20:56 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 80) : :lol: :lol:

    I don’t know why Rich think we’re excited in the first place, just some healthy debate going on.

    And you’re right, if you’re banned the chances are that you did something wrong. We don’t know the extent of it yet, but any scenario with doping is bad.

  • Comment 91, posted at 15.11.10 16:22:43 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 86) : no .just questioning your idea of sending a centre where players coming home are 1 – hooker, 2 – wing. Strauss will help with neither and (must admit) could not help with utilise the popularity of the surname :lol:

  • Comment 92, posted at 15.11.10 16:22:46 by rekinek Reply
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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 88) : Except Aplon’s ‘rush’ defense :lol: …he should be tested as well ;-)

  • Comment 93, posted at 15.11.10 16:22:46 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Are the ‘A’ & ‘B’ samples taken at the same time?

  • Comment 94, posted at 15.11.10 16:22:46 by McLovin Reply

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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 88) : Maybe the rush defense could have used some. :wink:

  • Comment 95, posted at 15.11.10 16:24:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 57) : yup – saved me having to type it as well :)

  • Comment 96, posted at 15.11.10 16:24:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • The World Anti-Doping Agency recently loosened the classification of methylhexaneamine, beginning next year, to the “specified stimulant” list, which covers drugs more susceptible to inadvertent use and can carry reduced penalties.

  • Comment 97, posted at 15.11.10 16:24:49 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Non-specified means there are no concession in the WADA code for unintended use..

  • Comment 98, posted at 15.11.10 16:26:20 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 94) : The A and B samples are collected at the same time. The idea of the two samples is to ensure against cross contamination and/or mistakes made by the testing lab. By testing the B sample, and achieving the same results, they can rule out cross contamination and mistakes.

  • Comment 99, posted at 15.11.10 16:26:42 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 92) : plus I also don’t think they should call replacements if the only duty of such replacement will be to carry the tackling bags. work with what you have. Though probably a guy like Andries would not mind to carry the bags just to get into the squad.

  • Comment 100, posted at 15.11.10 16:27:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • Inadvertent use is when a player uses a medication without knowing that a banned substance is in there.

    So you wanna ban the guy for 2 years for using a nasal spray?

  • Comment 101, posted at 15.11.10 16:27:28 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 97) : Correct, but it will still be banned.

  • Comment 102, posted at 15.11.10 16:28:41 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I think Richard has a definite point here… we shouldn’t be too quick to judge the players concerned. Any “performance enhancement” from taking this stimulant would, i’m sure, be negligible and neither player was actually any good on the day anyway. I’m going to go with this being completely inadvertent on their parts. It’s not to say that they shouldn’t be found guilty and banned, of course, because rules is rules. If anything, this is more a case of negligence and stupidity rather than any intentional malice.

    So let’s not be too quick to tear strips off the players, even though they are both Blue Bulls. It sounds as though this happened under the watchful eye of the Bok management team anyway and it could so easily have happened to Bismarck and Pat… let’s bear that in mind.

  • Comment 103, posted at 15.11.10 16:29:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 99) : Makes perfect sense then. Thanks. :smile:

  • Comment 104, posted at 15.11.10 16:30:37 by McLovin Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 92) : We have enough wings, we don’t have many centers. Considering Adi is injured and Frans is a preferred fullback and Jdv again looks like he may have a niggle and we had to use a fullback at 13 before Steyn was available.

    For wing we have Mvovo, Habana, Gio, and even Steyn or Krusty and for Center we have niggle, out of position, unfit. Maybe not such a bad idea to bring a center and open our options even if it’s not Andries!

  • Comment 105, posted at 15.11.10 16:31:45 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 101) : i think Rich that this is what they are gonna do.

    Hopefully, if they are found guilty, the circumstances are such as to allow for a much shorter ban or suspension.

    The issue here is that being a professional sportsman you should have exercised higher care in diligence in choosing what you put into your nose than an ordinary Joe.

  • Comment 106, posted at 15.11.10 16:32:39 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 103) : My second post on this thread asked how many other Boks were tested. I really hope this was not done under the watchful eye of the management, because if that is the case, there are probably other Boks that would fail a random drug test. If the management indeed allowed the use under their watchful eye, then the management must be taken to task for failing to understand the WADA rules. Sorry Rob, either way, this issue needs to be addressed, and we should not just shrug and say it is not a big deal because both players sucked anyway.

  • Comment 107, posted at 15.11.10 16:33:31 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 97) : All Prohibited Substances shall be considered as “Specified
    Substances” except Substances in classes S1, S2.1 to S2.5,
    S.4.4 and S6.a, and Prohibited Methods M1, M2 and M3.

  • Comment 108, posted at 15.11.10 16:34:46 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 107) : Either way, the player took something without checking with management/medical staff, or the management/medical staff don’t know the WADA regulations. Either one is very bad.

  • Comment 109, posted at 15.11.10 16:34:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 101) : no – I don’t think anyone wants to ban anyone for 2 years for something they did unintentionally. And the fact that WADA have now made a tacit acknowledgement that this is the sort of substance that lends itself to non-intentional use may well serve as mitigation.

    What would be wrong though, would be for either player to escape censure altogether. Fact is, the list of banned substances is widely published and each and every player needs to take personal responsibility – at all times – to ensure they remain clean. The players fucked up – we can’t get away from that fact.

  • Comment 110, posted at 15.11.10 16:36:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 103) : perhaps I am reading all this differently but to my mind nobody is having a go at the players itself or at the BBs union. All the comments are ifs and it’s more of a discussion about the principles than anything else at this point.

    And i’m quite sure everybody here wants them to be cleared.

    So I do not think we need to get panicky that we are not behind the team.

  • Comment 111, posted at 15.11.10 16:37:43 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 111) : I would hope more than anything that their B samples test clean and this was a lab error. Both for the player’s sake and for the good name of our beloved Boks.

  • Comment 112, posted at 15.11.10 16:38:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 101) : i hear you, but then again, anyone has a right to an opinion. if they want to judge them right away, then do so. if they are found not guilty, then they should be the first to apologize, but i have to say, sending them back home AND suspending them from all rugby till further notice is a pretty strong statement of intent from saru.

  • Comment 113, posted at 15.11.10 16:39:18 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 105) : for centre we have steyn, de Villiers, adi and then krusty (so it appears) so even if there are niggles it is highly unlikely that a newcomer will even get to the bench.

    similarly with wings, hence my submission why bother with calling replacements anycase.

  • Comment 114, posted at 15.11.10 16:40:19 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 112) : me too.

  • Comment 115, posted at 15.11.10 16:41:03 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Stef (Comment 53) : so if a professional sportsman needs sleeping tablets, for example, he/she must lose income until they have recovered. some conditions are not sorted out within a few days. taking it another step, how does a professional sportsmans condition of employment differ from any other contract of employment?

  • Comment 116, posted at 15.11.10 16:41:09 by prgdad Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 107) : woah – hang on. I didn’t say that, did I? I am certainly not advocating sweeping anything under the carpet – what I am saying is that we shouldn’t necessarily crucify the players as drugs cheats, since I’m pretty sure they didn’t take the substance knowingly.

    There has been a systematic failure here, I agree and the conspiracy theorist in me simply cannot believe the staggering coincidence in the only two players being randomly tested both coming up positive. So either the authorities knew there was something to look for in these two players and didn’t select them at random or, as you say, there may be a far more widespread, systematic problem.

    Roberts is a good team doctor and has been around the Sharks for years. Maybe my statement about “watchful eye” was wrong here… thinking about it again, I reckon these two ran off to a local chemist to pick up some nose spray without stopping to think about the potential consequences. Perhaps said chemist (no doubt a Welsh rugby fan) tipped somebody off, so that the 6 Nations guys knew EXACTLY which players to “randomly” test…

  • Comment 117, posted at 15.11.10 16:41:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 89) :

    They love a good scandal. :evil:

    In 2009, the World Anti-Doping Agency added methylhexanamine to the 2010 prohibited list.

    Methylhexanamine was implicated as a stimulant used by five Jamaican athletes in 2009. JADCO, the Jamaican anti-doping panel, was initially unable to determine whether it was prohibited by the rules, but subsequently decided to impose sanctions on some of the affected athletes on the grounds that the drug was similar in structure to the banned substance tuaminoheptane.

    During the 2010 Commonwealth Games, Nigerian athlete Damola Osayemi was stripped of her gold medal in the 100m after methylhexanamine was detected during drug testing. Subsequently, another Nigerian athlete, Samuel Okon, who finished sixth in the 110m hurdles, also tested positive for the drug.

    In October 2010, two Portuguese cyclists – Rui Costa and his brother Mario – tested positive for the substance. The samples were taken during the Portuguese National Championships at the end of June.

    In October 2010, nine Australian athletes have been found by Australian Sports Anti-doping Authority to have tested positive for the substance. These players may include NRL and AFL players.

    In November 2010 two South African rugby union players, Chiliboy Ralepelle and Bjorn Basson, were found to have tested positive for the substance on their annual tour of the Northern Hemisphere, and were immediately sent home from the tour by the South African Rugby Union.

  • Comment 118, posted at 15.11.10 16:42:09 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 107) : if this is management and the players get punished then it is so unfair.

  • Comment 119, posted at 15.11.10 16:42:33 by rekinek Reply
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  • there’s no point in discussing replacements… IRB regulations state you can’t replace players in a tour party if they’re found guilty of doping offences.

  • Comment 120, posted at 15.11.10 16:43:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @prgdad (Comment 116) : you know I am very far from professional sportsman but should I get caught with illegal substance my career would be over.

    You must not forget that nobody forces you to become a professional sportsman, people do choose it.

  • Comment 121, posted at 15.11.10 16:45:34 by rekinek Reply
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  • @prgdad (Comment 116) : Also, please remember that the WADA does allow for a release from some of their regulations. If the medical need is clear, and they rule the enhancing effect is negligible they may get a dispensation and be allowed to compete.

    I have a friend who had testicular cancer and had both testes removed. He is on lifetime artificial testosterone therapy to compensate. He won the Olympic trials in sailing (Finn sailboat) and when tested was found positive for artificial testosterone, a performance enhancing and banned substance. He appealed the ban and lost, was not given a medical dispensation and was not allowed to compete in the Olympic Games. So yes, sometimes, someone is even ruled out of their sport for a life time.

  • Comment 122, posted at 15.11.10 16:46:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 120) :
    Now Pokel needs to come out with a new subject for diversion :mrgreen:

  • Comment 123, posted at 15.11.10 16:46:36 by rekinek Reply
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  • @prgdad (Comment 116) : I would imagine not taking any banned substances is a pretty standard part of a sportsman’s contract. I’m not sure what you’re driving at here…

  • Comment 124, posted at 15.11.10 16:47:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 120) : Basson is injured as well, is that overruled then?

  • Comment 125, posted at 15.11.10 16:48:09 by war1 Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 123) : oh shit… sorry! I didn’t realise :)

  • Comment 126, posted at 15.11.10 16:48:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 93) :

    :lol:

    @Richard Ferguson (Comment 90) :

    Backing the players and your team is commendable , but you are being a bit overly sensitive here ..most of things said is just idle banter and if proven to be innocent Ill be the first to come on here and apologise.

    Its a slow Monday dammit :cool:

  • Comment 127, posted at 15.11.10 16:49:17 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 125) : I think you’ll find that a drugs offence is considered more serious than an injury… but I think you know that and are clasping at straws :)

  • Comment 128, posted at 15.11.10 16:49:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 117) : Your scenario is quite possible Rob, but again it goes back to professional athletes should be very careful about everything they put into their bodies. Not only professionals, but rank amateurs like myself, as you know Rob, I was in England competing in a sailing event earlier in the year, and had to sign the anti-doping agreement for athletes, I could have been randomly tested as some competitors were. So even I was incredibly careful about what I took leading upto and during the event.

  • Comment 129, posted at 15.11.10 16:49:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 128) :
    Prior in tempore, potior in iure …

    perhaps

  • Comment 130, posted at 15.11.10 16:53:42 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 129) : I’m not trying to free them from blame… I have said this a number of times already. They were stupid, negligent, fucked up, etc… it is their own fault!

    But I don’t think it means they did it to try and cheat. That’s my only point.

  • Comment 131, posted at 15.11.10 16:53:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 128) : something like that. luckily we have wing cover and adriaan strauss can bench this weekend

  • Comment 132, posted at 15.11.10 16:54:47 by war1 Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 122) : very unfair don’t you think! also discriminatory

  • Comment 133, posted at 15.11.10 16:55:13 by prgdad Reply

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  • ok, maybe I’m now also running the risk of putting words into people’s mouths that weren’t there in the first place :)

    DB, I agree this is serious and I agree that it makes us look like clowns. But rather clowns than crooks.

  • Comment 134, posted at 15.11.10 16:55:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 134) : i agree with you on that one and if it was stupid instead of intentional will surely be reflected in the punishment. this is should they be found guilty.

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  • @robdylan (Comment 131) : We don’t know and will never truly know their intentions. However I hope that this was a horrible mistake by the players. To be honest, I am more concerned that this may have been allowed by the Bok management/medical staff. It is strange that the only two players tested were positive from the same banned substance, the only logical conclusions are that either a pharmacist on the Welsh side set them up, and the players are stupid, or the management/medical team does not fully understand the WADA regulations, or chose to ignore them.

  • Comment 136, posted at 15.11.10 16:58:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • http://www.rugby365.com/all_news/sa/news/2662821.htm

  • Comment 137, posted at 15.11.10 17:00:49 by McLovin Reply

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  • @prgdad (Comment 133) : I agree, he worked incredibly hard to get to where he did. But nonetheless, it was the ruling of the WADA and International Olympic Committee, it was appealed and the decision stood. So yes, unfair, but nonetheless he has had to suffer a lifetime ban from international level competition in the sport he loves and excels at.

  • Comment 138, posted at 15.11.10 17:00:52 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • It does not matter if it gives you an edge,in speed,strength,endurance or pain etc.
    The problem is for an example,if a player gets a serious injury the medic has to make decisions,what meds and stuff he can give so that it does not make a complication and maybe cause death.So in sports the medic/doctor usually rule out all banned substances.
    Just like weed does not give you an advantage in mixed martial arts,I think it is the same thing here.

  • Comment 139, posted at 15.11.10 17:02:11 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 134) : That is exactly my point, and the reason for my sadness. The Bok brand (for lack of a better word) is very proud, and this just diminishes that no matter the reason, it is SA Rugby and us supporters that suffer. Yes us supporters, because I know as soon as I see some of my English friends, this is the first thing they will talk about.

  • Comment 140, posted at 15.11.10 17:03:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 137) : sounds like they are making all the right moves.

    bit scary that only 2 boks were tested. They may now be a target.

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  • people i wont be judging anyone , but there is no thing anymore as i didnt know its a banned stimulant

  • Comment 142, posted at 15.11.10 17:05:31 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • the person is fully responsible along with his team dr etc

    i remember herkie kruger whilst at the sharks being banned and how he begged as he said he did not know

    the answer was all unions and team dr’s etc know the list of banned substances

  • Comment 143, posted at 15.11.10 17:06:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 141) : The fact that the only two Boks tested, were positive for the same banned substance scares me to no end.

  • Comment 144, posted at 15.11.10 17:07:19 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 141) : In fact, I regret and am sad to say that if the IRB does not target the Bok team in some way for WADA testing after this incident, then the IRB is being negligent and are not doing their job.

  • Comment 145, posted at 15.11.10 17:08:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 87) : while we shouldnt allow the abuse of substance to go un punished ,i feel sorry for the two of them .The compund actually band ,is more than likely from the pre work out drink jack3d ,and in these types of supliments there can be 100s of ingredients, with many having almost the same name, now two players using this supliment who merely read of the box for nutritional info ,could be forgiven for not spotting this! I think for all athletes sake the banning of certain substances and what suppliments they are found in should be part of the managements responsability

  • Comment 146, posted at 15.11.10 17:09:54 by baw Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 132) :

    “As Basson was flying home anyway after being injured he was asked if he would call up a wing replacement, but De Villiers said that it would be impossible to do now.

    “If we did that people would think that we were just covering up (when we decided to send Basson home injured) and we are not prepared to do that, we don’t want to take that risk. We want to play this by the book,” said the coach.

    from news24.co.za

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 145) : Db the sharks were all tested after the final of the cup so gladly no problems there

  • Comment 148, posted at 15.11.10 17:11:32 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @baw (Comment 146) : to inform them

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  • @baw (Comment 146) : I believe that management/medical staff are responsible for player advice and guidance, but ultimately the player is responsible for what they put in their body outside of what is provided by management/medical staff.

  • Comment 150, posted at 15.11.10 17:12:19 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 145) : you’re right :oops:

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 148) : Incredibly glad and relieved to hear that, I just wish we could say the same for the Boks.

  • Comment 152, posted at 15.11.10 17:13:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @baw (Comment 146) : it should be management’s responsibility but then again you cannot watch guy 24/7.

  • Comment 153, posted at 15.11.10 17:14:33 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 150) : I agree ,but the question i think is whether or not they knew what they where taking was illegal?

  • Comment 154, posted at 15.11.10 17:14:54 by baw Reply

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  • any way all got to go cheers!

  • Comment 155, posted at 15.11.10 17:15:28 by baw Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 147) : Glad that PdV said this (much better than being behind an alleged murderer “100%”) :wink:

  • Comment 156, posted at 15.11.10 17:16:55 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @baw (Comment 154) : With all due respect, I think this is where we differ in opinion. I believe that your question whether they knew the legality or not is moot, as an athlete competing in a sport at the international level, it is your responsibility to know what is banned and what is allowed. This is my opinion as an amateur athlete that has had to follow these regulations to compete at an international level. If I tested positive for anything banned, then the only one responsible would have been me. I should have known that the substance was banned, that is my responsibility.

  • Comment 157, posted at 15.11.10 17:19:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Eight players in the squad had been tested for banned substances before departure from South Africa and no traces of any banned substance had been discovered.

  • Comment 158, posted at 15.11.10 17:20:24 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 158) : interesting that only 8 were tested. Since the Boks have no control whatsoever what most players take, eat or inhale while at their provinces, I would think the Boks would want to test every single player at the outset of their training to avoid an embarrassment like this.

  • Comment 159, posted at 15.11.10 17:22:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 157) : to recap my position. I agree they have a duty to keep themselves informed but also think that if they are not in the know it looks better than as cold-blooded doppers.

  • Comment 160, posted at 15.11.10 17:23:17 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 159) : Bit of a mystery really. Not sure what the protocol is. Do other international rugby sides test all players prior to a tour/tournament?

    Appears this ‘drug’ has caught out quite a few athletes the world over.

  • Comment 161, posted at 15.11.10 17:25:08 by McLovin Reply

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  • Honestly this is a big enough of an issue that I believe a world class setup like the Boks should have a full time doping consultant and manager. This person would be responsible for keeping players informed and up to date on banned substances, organize in house testing of players to avoid external embarrassment, and consulting with the medical staff on all player treatment.

  • Comment 162, posted at 15.11.10 17:25:15 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 159) : must be random thing.

    I wonder how expensive and how lengthy such test is, but at this level I guess one should invest in such things.

    Also most of the guys were seasoned springboks perhaps there is issue of management knowing that they should be fine. dunno.

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  • @rekinek (Comment 160) : I agree with your position. :smile:

  • Comment 164, posted at 15.11.10 17:26:42 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Should they be found guilty I reckon the ban would be the bare minimum.

  • Comment 165, posted at 15.11.10 17:26:47 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 165) : still the damage has been done :sad:

    @Dancing Bear (Comment 164) : that’s :cool: :grin:

  • Comment 166, posted at 15.11.10 17:28:54 by rekinek Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 161) : I really don’t know what other international teams do. I just know if I was responsible for maintaining the Bok image worldwide, I would test all players in house. Almost all the players were at their unions playing CC rugby and the Boks are not in control when the players are at their unions. It seems it would be a good practice just to ensure the rather arduous WADA regulations are fully met. It is actually quite easy to come afoul of the WADA regulations, mistakenly.

  • Comment 167, posted at 15.11.10 17:29:02 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • chatta later guys :razz:

  • Comment 168, posted at 15.11.10 17:31:02 by rekinek Reply
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  • Eers die snot, dan die nasal spray, dan die trane.

  • Comment 169, posted at 15.11.10 17:31:13 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 163) : I am sure that testing for the full spectrum of substances banned by the WADA is quite expensive. I would not expect a club to go to these levels but an international team, especially a perennial top three rugby team with “image issues” should do in house testing, in my opinion.

  • Comment 170, posted at 15.11.10 17:31:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 167) : Is it practical? Does it justify the cost? How do we know that all players don’t get tested on a regular basis?

    I’d be very surprised should SARU’s drug testing policy be much, if any, different from other unions. What happened in this case appears to be an exceptional case.

  • Comment 171, posted at 15.11.10 17:32:35 by McLovin Reply

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  • Also SARU appears to be doing everything in their power to get to the bottom of this.

  • Comment 172, posted at 15.11.10 17:33:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 171) : By suggesting they do this testing, I am not implying that this event is anything other than exceptional. But we must admit the Boks have something of an image problem on the world stage, with many just looking for an excuse to jump all over them. Whether fair or not, I believe the Boks have to walk a finer line than other teams, and therefore should invest the cost to avoid the embarrassment. This more than likely is an exceptional case, as you say, although the fact the only two Boks tested at that time were positive for the same substance does raise the concern this may not be an exceptional incident but rather widespread throughout the team. It is often all about perception McLovin, as McLovin, your namesake learned.

  • Comment 173, posted at 15.11.10 17:36:19 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 172) : And that is a huge relief. I am thrilled that SARU are taking this so seriously and are determined to get to the bottom of it. It is not about players getting banned in my opinion, in fact, if you read all my posts, I have not mentioned a single players name involved in this. Stupid mistakes happen and I hope this is all it is, unfortunately the facts cause me further concern.

  • Comment 174, posted at 15.11.10 17:38:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 173) : If every single player tested positive at that time but not previously that would make it even more exceptional not? :smile:

  • Comment 175, posted at 15.11.10 17:40:49 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 175) : McLovin, I don’t know the effects specifically of this substance, but let’s for argument sakes say it enhances performance on a rugby field and it is a water soluble substance that only stays in the system for 24 hours, it would only make sense that players tested before departure at a training camp would be negative, but then after being given the performance enhancing drug, to enhance performance in the test match, would test positive afterward. That would not be exceptional would it?

    Unfortunately we don’t know if this is the case or not.

  • Comment 176, posted at 15.11.10 17:43:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 144) :

    After reading the link from Mclovin this has the potential to become a major issue.Bear not think about there being more players testing positive.

  • Comment 177, posted at 15.11.10 17:44:54 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 174) : Stupid mistake indeed.

    But I’m going to give them (players, medical staff, union) the benefit of the doubt as others in other top level sports organisations have also been caught out by this substance.

    Not your usual bumbling SARU cock-up, but rather an honest mistake. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 178, posted at 15.11.10 17:45:04 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 176) : in this instance, a negative test during the training camp and a positive test after the test would be an expected result, not at all exceptional.

  • Comment 179, posted at 15.11.10 17:45:11 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • As hard as it is, probably best to hold back judgment on this one until the source is found…

    Same stuff Johan Goosen was found guilty of and banned for 3 months.. Yes, I know I criticized him but it must be said SARU never released the substances name until now. Why only they will know. Clowns.

    If we had the facts about Goosen, judgments would not have been made so quickly.

    Lets see what transpires here. Lots more to come!

  • Comment 180, posted at 15.11.10 17:47:13 by Sportbilly Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 178) : I realize that the tone and content of my post has not really expressed this, but I can believe this is an honest mistake by SARU or the players. The problem is that with the Boks always under scrutiny and with people just waiting for SA Rugby to screw up, even an honest mistake is bad.

  • Comment 181, posted at 15.11.10 17:47:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 175) :

    Id think so ..but then alot more persons involved in management of players will be called into question..

    The Brits are going to put the boot in along with the IRB on this matter ..they just love nailing us.

  • Comment 182, posted at 15.11.10 17:47:38 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 180) : I have judged no player, and have only criticized SARU for not being more proactive. Unfortunately it matters not that I have not come to judgment when so many the world over are just looking for an excuse to attack SA Rugby. I am sure that the “cheating All Blacks” will be quickly forgotten by the British press as they jump on this opportunity to attack their favourite target, the Boks.

  • Comment 183, posted at 15.11.10 17:50:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 182) : Right on, with the Brits and the IRB just waiting for an excuse to climb into the Boks and SA Rugby, we just have to be more diligent in not allowing them the opportunities.

  • Comment 184, posted at 15.11.10 17:52:00 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 176) : I think our definition of exceptional differs in this case. Also too many unknowns & assumptions to be made. :smile:

    P.S. This substance apparently remains in your system for 24-48 hours.

  • Comment 185, posted at 15.11.10 17:52:28 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 185) : I agree, many unknowns and assumptions to be made. I am afraid in this instance I have to be pessimistic since I think so many will attack the Boks and SA Rugby after this incident.

    I was going to be optimistic, but I just didn’t think it would work out. :wink:

  • Comment 186, posted at 15.11.10 17:54:40 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 167) : how difficult/costly is it to administer a full set of tests? Any idea? Are we talking vials of blood and 100 different lab tests, or is it peeing into a cup and throwing in a tablet to see if it changes colour?

  • Comment 187, posted at 15.11.10 18:05:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 150) : okay put like that valid point! No argument its only fair they got banned ! However I still feel sorry for them

  • Comment 188, posted at 15.11.10 18:17:52 by baw Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 187) : A full series of tests for WADA banned substances is a lot more than dropping in a tablet. Not sure if there are a 100, more or less series of tests done, but they do screen for multiple substances. The process is mostly automated at this point, and I believe various analysis methods available now, many substances can be identified with a single screening. I don’t think that the performance of each test is expensive per se, but remember we are dealing with incredibly expensive automation here and along with collection methods and security of samples, etc, the overheads become huge fairly quickly. The expense of the automation required means that labs are relatively few and far between, which also drives up cost. It is not something a team would have in a back room ready to test samples at any time.

  • Comment 189, posted at 15.11.10 18:18:41 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 189) : WADA screening also requires testing for blood doping, which is incredibly hard to detect since it is a person’s own clean blood, which has been oxygenated.

  • Comment 190, posted at 15.11.10 18:21:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @baw (Comment 188) : I have read somewhere that PdV said they are having the energy drinks tested since they are concerned that may be how they ingested the banned substance and that would mean that all players would be positive. If this is the case, then the players are not to blame, they were following management’s guidance and ingesting a management provided product. If this is the case, I really feel sorry for the players, I would feel very badly for them. I would be incredibly angry with the management who should have known BEFOREHAND whether their energy drink contained a banned substance.

  • Comment 191, posted at 15.11.10 18:24:22 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 191) : if that is the case, then I think SARU have just found their reason to fire Div. Fortunately, since the 48-hour window has presumably passed, there is (I would assume) little chance of any other players being found guilty and banned.

    Living in naive hope here… Gosh… imagine the entire Bok squad ends up copping a year ban for this! Great way to make sure New Zealand has no credible opposition at the World Cup… other than themselves, that is!

  • Comment 192, posted at 15.11.10 18:30:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • There was a time when performance enhancing substances were limited to anabolic steroids, growth hormone, etc. It seems that road cycling athletes were the first to start using the other methods for performance enhancement like low level stimulants and substances that assist or improve the oxygenation of the blood. Many of the banned substances were addressed because they were being abused by cyclists. Would these substances have a positive effect on rugby performance? There are certainly arguments to be made here, but the substances are, nonetheless, banned, and it is very expensive to test for all of these substances.

  • Comment 193, posted at 15.11.10 18:35:05 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 192) : Eish Rob, the mother of all conspiracy theories there. :wink: You are right though that if the energy drink contained the substance then there is no chance that the Boks would now test positive. However, think about this, they received the result for the Ireland match the Sunday after the Wales match. This would imply they used the same energy drink for the Wales match, and the two players selected at random for that match would also test positive, and would not be released until after the Scotland match. What fantastic fodder for the English press the week prior to the match up.

  • Comment 194, posted at 15.11.10 18:38:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 194) : holy crap – did they test positive after the IRELAND match? I assumed it was the Wales match.

    Shitballs, that changes everything.

  • Comment 195, posted at 15.11.10 18:53:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • guess I should learn to read the sodding article, shouldn’t I?

  • Comment 196, posted at 15.11.10 18:54:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 196) : Scary isn’t it?

  • Comment 197, posted at 15.11.10 19:01:21 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 192) : a substance like that could even be added to someones food

    lets start a good conspiracy theory :lol:

  • Comment 198, posted at 15.11.10 19:10:21 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 198) : Nothing like a good conspiracy theory. Maybe the Sharks players didn’t trust the energy drink and brought their own. :wink:

  • Comment 199, posted at 15.11.10 19:18:19 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 199) : :lol:

  • Comment 200, posted at 15.11.10 19:23:19 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 196) : that would be cool.

    This thing has a potential to blow out huge. Imagine it is a genuine mistake by team doctor and every Springbok on tour has this substance in his blood and let’s say week after they test other 2 random players (I am told that they can only test 2 from one team at a time) and next week let’s say Matfield and Bismarck are going home.

  • Comment 201, posted at 15.11.10 19:37:21 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 192) : from other articles I gather that the bok management has been working on trying to establish how this substance got into Chilli and Basson they may be thinking exactly that.

  • Comment 202, posted at 15.11.10 19:39:39 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 201) : All of this being the case, the two players tested after the Wales test must be very concerned.

  • Comment 203, posted at 15.11.10 19:53:21 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 203) : @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 182) : OK lets step back a moment it appears as if this was an OTC Nasal spray that was bought for blocked nose or the like
    its one of those regular ones. What the players would have checked for is does it contain enhancers which it did not.The players will get 3 months max so they will be available for the first S15 game
    Maybe all rugby players should study chemistry

  • Comment 204, posted at 15.11.10 20:00:39 by Fattmann Reply
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  • This banned substance is found in nasal descingestion come on the six nations governing body did these random tests ,suppsose no one can get sick anymore .Why do the rest of the world dislike us so much .The banned substances list changes randomly how are players to keep up with all these changes

  • Comment 205, posted at 15.11.10 20:03:53 by zvision10 Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 204) :

    Has that been confirmed …?

    Best case senario I guess. :|

    In all honesty I don’t claim to know the players but truth be told Chilly and Basson don’t strike me as the type to take drugs ..

    But then I also thought Hansie was innocent.

  • Comment 206, posted at 15.11.10 20:11:57 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @zvision10 (Comment 205) :

    Well imo it is your responsibility as a sportman to be aware of banned substances and in a team enviroment the management MUST also be up to date with changing trends in the banned substance list.

    Thing is over 20 athletes across the globe have tested positive for this …this year alone.

  • Comment 207, posted at 15.11.10 20:16:21 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 206) : sound like a spy my source says not to worry it was a nasal spray same story is now on 365. Min sentence here

  • Comment 208, posted at 15.11.10 20:18:22 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 206) : BTW so did I

  • Comment 209, posted at 15.11.10 20:19:19 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 207) : check this
    The ‘non-specified stimulant’ in question, methylhexaneamine, is on the prohibited substances list of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). It is scheduled to be re-classified as a ‘specified stimulant’ from January 1, 2011.

    The fact its status is set to change in a matter of months could yet have a bearing on any disciplinary punishments handed out to either Basson or Ralepelle under the legal principle of ‘lex mitior’ which seeks to apply the more lenient penalty in cases where there is a relaxation of the law or, in this case, WADA code.

  • Comment 210, posted at 15.11.10 20:21:06 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 210) :

    I just hope this works out for all concerned and there is a speedy resolution to it all.

    Bottom line is that this whole affair is a major distraction to our Slam ambitions.

  • Comment 211, posted at 15.11.10 20:52:15 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • Basson has been nowhere in the past two games! I think he touched the ball about 5 times in BOTH games! Shocking… and Chilliboy – so much for him being our next Springbok captain?!?(Both belong to the BULLS – hmmmm – fishy)–> TIME FOR LWAZI AND BURDEN TO STEP UP!!! :) Yes im a SHARKS FAN!

  • Comment 212, posted at 15.11.10 21:01:01 by s.h.a.r.k.s Reply

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  • CSB
    Remember what happened during the RWC in 2007??
    First Burger got cited and banned and then Frans Steyn.
    We all thought ‘conspiracy’. :wink:
    Which team went on to win the final?? :cool:
    I think we’ll win the Grand Slam. Its been written in the stars!!

    If it doesn’t come off we can just blame klempie for jinxing us by shouting for the opposition. :twisted:

  • Comment 213, posted at 15.11.10 21:09:51 by wpw Reply
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  • TROUBLE AT MILL…..BIG TROUBLE !

    SOUNDS LIKE THE BOK ARE FORTUNATE THAT THE WHOLE TEAM WASN’T TESTED.

    I WONDER WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS IF THE DRUG TESTERS EXPECT THE WHOLE SQUAD IS ON A BAN SUBSTANCE.

    IS THIS ANYTHING NEW IN SPRINGBOK RUGBY ?

  • Comment 214, posted at 15.11.10 21:25:25 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 214) : Dude don’t drag the debate into the gutter! :roll: We like you around here.

  • Comment 215, posted at 15.11.10 21:50:24 by klempie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 213) : I’m happy to take one for the team. :cool:

  • Comment 216, posted at 15.11.10 21:50:56 by klempie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 213) :

    4 years of drama and World Champions again ..I can live with that :razz:

    This is just a cunning smoke screen by the Bok management ;-)

    @Hertford Highlander (Comment 214) :

    I know you far away but there is no reason to be shouting :grin:

  • Comment 217, posted at 15.11.10 21:55:37 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 215) :

    Why don’t you think the whole team could have been on a banned substance during the Welsh match ?

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 214) :

    Not really we have had the odd incident but pretty rare …compared to the Aussies we are angels ;-)

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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 217) :

    ;-) I do feel a long way away !

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  • @klempie (Comment 216) :

    Who you supporting this weekend then … The kilts I take it :|

  • Comment 221, posted at 15.11.10 21:59:21 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 218) : They could have, but show a little respect. Do you think any of us regulars would be making the same claim about the All Blacks if they were in the same situation? Maybe the Wallabies :twisted: , but not the ABs.

  • Comment 222, posted at 15.11.10 21:59:38 by klempie Reply

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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 221) : I don’t think it matters at this point. We needed to lose at least 3 games for Snor to be in trouble. I think he’s safe now.

  • Comment 223, posted at 15.11.10 22:00:51 by klempie Reply

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  • heres the thing , i think you can buy the pre workout drink from dischem !

  • Comment 224, posted at 15.11.10 22:01:36 by baw Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 222) :

    I’ve always struggled a bit since the eve of the 1995 RWC Final ! :twisted:

    They maybe drinking water at training this week ! :lol:

  • Comment 225, posted at 15.11.10 22:12:21 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 214) : Please don’t shoot your mouth off without access to the facts it makes you look like an idiot and you will have egg on your face when the truth comes out
    Press reports are making this out to be Stimulant performance enhancing drugs and I understand this as they have to sell papers and they don’t care about the truth anyway
    This was a nasal spray for de-congestion or sinus bought over the counter the kind you or I would buy
    The mere fact that the drug is being downgraded in 6 weeks time tells you that the authorities acknowledge that they have over reacted to this drug
    It was originally thought that methylhexaneamine could be used as a masking agent for blood doping mainly in cyclists but that has since been debunked Methylhexaneamine is commonly used in 99% of decongestants it was only added to the banned list some 8 months ago
    Purely by the way Methylhexaneamine is also found in energy bars that you buy at the supermarket

  • Comment 226, posted at 15.11.10 22:15:07 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 226) :

    But what are they doing taking it !

    Put it this way the Doctor will get sacked….or is that shouting my mouth off as well. As for egg ….it’s not on my face …..i think it may be closer to the faces of the Bok camp.

    …but hey thanks for your input ! ;-)

  • Comment 227, posted at 15.11.10 22:18:16 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 225) : I’ve always enjoyed AB rugby. To me Boks v ABs is the Ashes of rugby. It doesn’t get bigger. Only there are fewer drunks and a more even overall scoreline. :razz:

    I once sat next to a middle-aged Kiwi couple on a flight enroute to I can’t remember where. We ended up talking rugby obviously. And they said that it was general opinion in Kiwiland, that for the ABs, the Boks are the team they most want to beat. It was the first time I’d been made aware of that, and I was surprised. When I listen to Kiwi commentary, for the most part, they acknowledge good play and I’d like to think our guys (although they’re awful) do the same. I think there is mutual respect between the two sides because of the historical significance in both countries’ cultures. I think it’s cool. :cool:

  • Comment 228, posted at 15.11.10 22:21:01 by klempie Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 227) : Dude, look at who they employed as our coach! :roll: Do you think the idiots gave much more thought on the team doctor? :roll:

  • Comment 229, posted at 15.11.10 22:22:33 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 228) :

    Well said !

    I was always raised on a diet of you can never beat the Boks in SA. :lol:

  • Comment 230, posted at 15.11.10 22:23:15 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 229) :

    It’s been a horror year for PDV and the Bok !

    I just wonder if this blows up and the Boks get beaten by England in the last game could his job be on the line, or will the SARU think it is too close to the RWC for change !

  • Comment 231, posted at 15.11.10 22:25:32 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 227) : Again get facts Craig was more shocked than anybody.
    he is certain that it is the nasal spray and there may have been a few others using it Fortunately it flushes out of the system within 48 hours and unless someone has the health bar it is over with

  • Comment 232, posted at 15.11.10 22:26:49 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 231) : Nah. I think he’d have been in hot water if we’d lost 3 of 4 (although most disagree with me and say he was always watertight til WC). But thanks to the engrained culture of accepting mediocrity in modern-day SA, a 50% win record will be deemed satisfactory. But the less said about that the better. I may fall foul of “The Rules”. :roll:

  • Comment 233, posted at 15.11.10 22:29:27 by klempie Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 232) :

    I’m sure the NZRFU will have an ample supply of health bars and nasal sprays for them after next years RWC quarter final ! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 234, posted at 15.11.10 22:29:38 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 226) : The point is that these guys are professional sportsmen. They shouldn’t be taking it. If it’s on the list it is banned and warrants suspension. With all the athletes that have tested positive this year for the banned substance surely there should be heightened awareness for this.

  • Comment 235, posted at 15.11.10 22:29:50 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 231) : That said, a 20 point loss against Scotland may set the cat amongst the pigeons. :twisted: But I’d be clutching at straws with that. :oops:

  • Comment 236, posted at 15.11.10 22:30:59 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 233) :

    Well must dash…..other people to annoy ! :lol:

    Good luck out there for all those battling with the flu ! ;-)

  • Comment 237, posted at 15.11.10 22:31:15 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 234) : Such a pity France are in your group. :razz: ;-)

  • Comment 238, posted at 15.11.10 22:31:46 by klempie Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 237) : Later

  • Comment 239, posted at 15.11.10 22:32:53 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 238) :

    So am I….what worrys me is that we lose to france in our group and play England QF ? Ouch

    I’m not getting my hopes up are you coming over ?

  • Comment 240, posted at 15.11.10 22:35:20 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 235) : @Hertford Highlander (Comment 234) : yes maybe so however if it not listed on the bottle you are non the wiser it is only when you read the insert where it says ….contains .01% methylhexaneamine….. that you are aware of what it is
    Having said that with Goosen having fallen into the trap some 2 months ago they should have been aware of it
    However there might be another twist in this tale Just had a tip that Methylhexaneamine could well be in the cooking oil!!!!! I kid you not it seems that it is used in the manufacture of certain cooking oils.
    However my info is that until further notice it is the nasal spray

  • Comment 241, posted at 15.11.10 22:36:40 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 240) : I wish. 2015 is not out of the question though.

  • Comment 242, posted at 15.11.10 22:38:50 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 242) :

    I’m going to go to the pool games we have here in Dunedin.

    See most of the home nations which will be great !

    Don’t plan to see anything after that !

    Probably won’t be involved anyway ! ;-)

  • Comment 243, posted at 15.11.10 22:51:02 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 241) :

    :???: interesting !

  • Comment 244, posted at 15.11.10 22:51:52 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 218) : considering the way chilli and basson played we can positively state that the substance affects your performance negatively . considering the way boks played – they were not clinical selves – yes :mrgreen:

    (its a joke HH!)

  • Comment 245, posted at 16.11.10 06:24:48 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 225) : i bet you they are. unless they discovered that the two took something else I think they are all bit scared.

  • Comment 246, posted at 16.11.10 06:27:22 by rekinek Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 229) : klempie you ‘re on sharksworld, leave sharks doctor alone :grin:

  • Comment 247, posted at 16.11.10 06:30:18 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 240) : i have a theory that ABs will loose to France in group stages but it will not work against you as later somebody else will eliminate them and you will not have to play them again :lol:

  • Comment 248, posted at 16.11.10 06:33:09 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 232) : it looks like they are busy testing things so we will hopefully know soon.

  • Comment 249, posted at 16.11.10 06:36:03 by rekinek Reply
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  • BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    WHITE AND BLACK
    BULLS ARE ON CRACK! :twisted: :twisted:

  • Comment 250, posted at 16.11.10 09:12:06 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 245) :
    ;-)

  • Comment 251, posted at 16.11.10 10:08:55 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • I must say…the Welsh were able to get on our outside a few times…and Bassons pace where he was able to run down saved us…unless we start with Aplon at wing we will surely miss that as Mvovo will not be able to run players down from behind (unless he has the angle and at pace already)…had he played this past weekend the Welsh might actually have scored an extra try or two…

  • Comment 252, posted at 16.11.10 10:48:43 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Chilliboi’s suspension is actually a blessing in disguise…our team is better off in my opinion…in the past he was steady (never did anything great)…but last weekend he made many blunders and his poor lineout form almost cost us the game….Strauss will fill Bismarks shoes in replacement much better (and hopefully PdV replaces for a good reason…not at all sure why Bismark was taken off)…

  • Comment 253, posted at 16.11.10 10:50:48 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 253) :

    Do you think PDV will roll out a few young fella’s this weekend against Scotland !

  • Comment 254, posted at 16.11.10 10:57:28 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 254) : Awesome knock by McCullum today. Dig that boy. :cool:

  • Comment 255, posted at 16.11.10 11:00:54 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 255) :

    He’s a good lad ….. had him in my Otago Under 16 Team many years ago !

  • Comment 256, posted at 16.11.10 11:03:36 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 255) :

    Black Caps have played amazingly well ! – for them !

  • Comment 257, posted at 16.11.10 11:04:59 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 257) : They’re my second favourite international team. :cool: Hopefully they can eke out a draw in the last Test to knock India a few pegs down.

  • Comment 258, posted at 16.11.10 11:11:40 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 258) : ;-)

  • Comment 259, posted at 16.11.10 11:28:18 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 236) : ;-)

  • Comment 260, posted at 16.11.10 11:35:49 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • UPDATE: apparently Chili sidestepped the media and made a duck upon his arrival at OR Thambo…bAsson was cornered and apparently only said he was very worried about the test results and his future, but thankful for the support. Apparently he was very teary and looked a bit lost / shocked…

  • Comment 261, posted at 16.11.10 16:08:28 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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