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It’s about the team, not the record!


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 16 Nov 2010 at 08:20
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I note, with some distaste, some quotes attributed to Bok coach Peter de Villiers in an article on Sport24 this morning. The Bok mentor appears to openly acknowledge that Bryan Habana’s poor form is all as a result of of the fact that he is a single try away from holding the record for the most tries for the Springboks all on his own.

“Bryan is just trying too hard at the moment to get that one try that stands between him and the record,” De Villiers told Stephen Nell. The WP winger, on 38 test tries, currently shares the record with Joost van der Westhuizen. Perhaps more concerning, though, is that he last scored a test try on 26 June against Italy and has gone scoreless in his last 8 test matches. It’s not only his try-scoring that has tailed off in recent times, though; his overall form has been frankly woeful over this period as well, with defence in particular a glaring weakness.

The fact that a raw 18-year-old in Welsh Winger George North managed to score two tries, on debut, down Habana’s wing is testament to exactly how shoddy this aspect (as well as most others) of Habana’s pay has become.

Once again, I fear our dear coach has put his foot in it, though. “That milestone draws so much energy out of you. I think everything will be back to normal if Bryan can just get one try,” he admits. But this thinking is so backwards it simply defies belief. Habana is in the team to help the team win matches and as a professional, he needs to find a way to put his personal accomplishments and glory to one side, just the way John Smit or Victor Matfield have done. The team does not exist to help Habana reach the record and if the player is unable to carry his weight on the field, he should be dropped until he can find a way to get his head into the right place again.

Bok rugby is nowhere near healthy enough at this stage to carry any passengers. Habana needs to get his head around this – and fast. It’s about the team, first, foremost and solely. Anything else is a bonus.



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  • Rob, rather quote everything PdV says so we don’t just see the one angle you want. You know how players get into a slump and just need that one try to get out of it. Or that one win, like the Sharks in the S14 last year… Thats how slumps work.

  • Comment 1, posted at 16.11.10 08:28:23 by molly Reply
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  • Also, one of North’s tries was actually through the centre’s, after a blocking. The other a chip over the top, hardly through Habana’s channel.

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.11.10 08:29:56 by molly Reply
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  • Also, you missed this quote when you stopped at the one that pleased you most:
    “He knows he is making mistakes on the field and trying too hard. We had a long chat on Sunday evening and Bryan understands that it’s about the team first.”

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.11.10 08:30:52 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 2) : All true but you have to admit that Habana has been woefull in the last 6 months.

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.11.10 08:34:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Jeez Rob. Looking for hits are we??

    I agree that Habana is trying to hard but for goodness sake, give the guy a break.

    Div is the one selecting him just like he did with John Smit and I think you’ll agree with me that John was in much worse form and shape than Habs this year.

    Overweight, huffing and puffing during matches.

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.11.10 08:36:31 by wpw Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 4) : He hasn’t been great, but I don’t think his defensive style has changed since JW, he’s always played the outside-in approach.
    I think PdV is trying to play him back into form, much like Duminy was given chance after chance at the Proteas. We all know he’s class and can offer plenty. Just need him to be back there.

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.11.10 08:37:51 by molly Reply
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  • You can’t just keep a guy in the team on what he possibly can do,he has to do it week in and week out.

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.11.10 08:38:36 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • And no one can deny, Habana on good form is flippin great for the Boks. Once he gets the one try out of the way all the pressure will be off. Its also less about the record than about the booing and the desperate need to prove his worth when everyone is against him. One try will take the pressure off him in more than one way.

  • Comment 8, posted at 16.11.10 08:39:17 by molly Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 4) :

    He hasn’t been great, and someone should tell him that every backline player in the world knows he is trying for the intercept, so they aren’t going to throw you that ball bru!

  • Comment 9, posted at 16.11.10 08:39:44 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 9) : At the moment he is a charity case.

  • Comment 10, posted at 16.11.10 08:41:25 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • Habana will break the record with a genuine wing try, beating his opponent on the outside with pace… ;-)

  • Comment 11, posted at 16.11.10 08:44:02 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 7) : Ah come on, class is permanent, you can’t just write off a player either. Frans has had a few off weeks, JdV too, Fourie as well, Schalk too, Smit is always questioned. So is Spies, Matfield. I mean we can list the whole Bok team if we wanted. The problem is, Habana’s has been an extended period.

    What I’m worried about is if he does find his form are people still going to say he’s crap, like Spies? And not give him any credit for any good stuff he does.

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.11.10 08:44:20 by molly Reply
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  • On Habs’ defense…

    I am sure most of you have seen the video Jake White put together.

    Now there is a whole host of things you can take from that video, and also the Boks defensive pattern in general.

    One important thing however that someone mentioned is the absence of Jaque Fourie, arguably the best defending back in world rugby, and how his absence affects the team.

    Also, I do not think the current defensive pattern or plan is working, in fact, I doubt whether we have a plan or pattern.

    From what I studied and picked up is that we are morphing a rush, drift and NFL type static line defense. Problem is, it seems not all the players know which one to use at different times because one guy is rushing up, the other is holding the line and then the other drifts out of line.

    Insane I tell you.

    So when it comes to defense, you can criticise an individual when it comes to technique in tackling, i.e. bouncing off or missing tackles.

    When that player is out of position though, or has to cover two or three players, the defensive system is at fault.

    So be careful to put Habana’s failings on defense on him.

    For the record, when Jean de Villiers played wing in the 3N, we had exactly the same problem!!

  • Comment 13, posted at 16.11.10 08:45:27 by Morné Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 12) :

    Sheez talking of Frans…

    I will play Kirchner at 13 in a heartbeat ahead of Frans whose conditioning looks shocking.

  • Comment 14, posted at 16.11.10 08:46:43 by Morné Reply
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  • How the general media keeps on wanting to find a spot for Frans in the team is beyond me really.

  • Comment 15, posted at 16.11.10 08:47:13 by Morné Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 11) : turn the playstation off, Charlie! :)

  • Comment 16, posted at 16.11.10 08:48:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 13) : Geez, the Wales game reminded me of the TriNations, so easy for the opposition to get a MASSIVE overlap. Something is seriously wrong with our defensive line for that to happen so often.

  • Comment 17, posted at 16.11.10 08:48:09 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 17) :

    Go ask any Springbok, or any WP player the value Schalk Burger bring in cover defense…

    But apart from him, we have some massive problems with our defensive structures and patterns.

    I have recorded and watched this many times now, and there is no set pattern or formula they follow – NONE.

  • Comment 18, posted at 16.11.10 08:49:39 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 18) : I can believe that, but Schalk was in the Tri Nations and not even he could cover the 4 on 1 overlap. Fourie was also there wasn’t he. Any defensive coaches you recommend? Do you rate Nienebar?

  • Comment 19, posted at 16.11.10 08:53:04 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 19) :

    I don’t know if you guys ever watched Kafe’s Chalkboard during the 3N (Aussie oke on their rugby program similar to Boots).

    He nailed the defensive issues of the Boks down to a tee.

    Take Schalk out of the game (commit him to a channel), punch up, and go wide.

    They did this, worked a bloody charm because some twit in the Bok backline always shot up and in, leaving a massive gap outside and all you had to do is punch up, get your hands through the tackle or past the initial line, and put the outside okes away.

  • Comment 20, posted at 16.11.10 08:56:03 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 14) :

    Thank you very much for that Morne!!

    Ek sé mos!! :twisted:

  • Comment 21, posted at 16.11.10 08:58:32 by wpw Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 12) : I am just saying,maybe if he gets dropped a couple of games and comes back,he will think he is not going to be a starter for sure in the rwc and start to play some rugby
    Although we know he is going to,so does he and maybe that is the problem..

  • Comment 22, posted at 16.11.10 08:58:42 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • Can’t score tries if you don’t get the bloody ball !

    Poor excuse though and I wonder if Habana actually puts his form down to this :?:

    Anyhow Habana is a special player but he seriously needs a wake up and being dropped to the bench for the Scotland match may just be the ticket to getting him back on scoring tries and playing better.

    GIVE DA BALL 2 BRYAN :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 16.11.10 09:02:18 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • Also he could have got that monkey off his back had he just held onto the ball near the Welsh tryline …

    Anywho I reckon he’ll come right ..has too frankly.

    PS: Did anyone see the kiss that Bakkies blew at Phillips on Sat. :lol:

  • Comment 24, posted at 16.11.10 09:06:30 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • Play Hougaard/Lambie on Saturday, and check our outside backs create havoc.

  • Comment 25, posted at 16.11.10 09:06:51 by Morné Reply
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  • WP/Stormers sat with the exact same bloody problem, Willem de Waal at 10

  • Comment 26, posted at 16.11.10 09:07:19 by Morné Reply
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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 24) : Lol, I missed that. He’s awesem.

  • Comment 27, posted at 16.11.10 09:07:31 by molly Reply
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  • Rob, disappointing article – Molly’s added quotes from the same discussion add much needed context. PdV said that he had a talk with Habana.

    Also glad I am not the only fool saying that we should keep backing him, or that Fransie is looking out of shape – got loads of grief from the fan club for having the temerity to declare the obvious latter yesterday.

  • Comment 28, posted at 16.11.10 09:14:46 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 28) : I think dropping Habana could just do him good. Looks at how well Mills and Joe R started playing for theAB’s after their lay offs.

  • Comment 29, posted at 16.11.10 09:22:08 by Pokkel Reply
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  • :lol: i see former England coach Ashton claims that England is now among the top 3 rugby nations in the world. (yip, maybe in europe my friend, but not in the world…)

  • Comment 30, posted at 16.11.10 09:23:37 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 29) :

    Quick one.

    Drop Habs for who?

    What would the back-three look like?

  • Comment 31, posted at 16.11.10 09:23:43 by Morné Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 29) : and i remember a certain Schalk Burger also getting the drop for a few games… did him the world of good.

  • Comment 32, posted at 16.11.10 09:24:37 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 31) : Come now, we all know its Mvovo.

  • Comment 33, posted at 16.11.10 09:25:19 by molly Reply
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  • oh, and the back three:
    15 – Frans/Kirchner
    14 – Aplon
    11 – Mvovo

  • Comment 34, posted at 16.11.10 09:26:13 by molly Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 31) :

    15. Kircher/ Frans
    14. Aplon
    11. Mvovo

    They can’t be any worse

  • Comment 35, posted at 16.11.10 09:26:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 30) :

    Man the Poms crack me up … Ill admit its the best Iv seen them play in a very long time but hell it was just the 1 game ..try doing that consistently.

  • Comment 36, posted at 16.11.10 09:28:43 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 31) : 15 Frans Steyn, 14 Geo Aphlon and 11 Mvovo

  • Comment 37, posted at 16.11.10 09:31:05 by VanWilder Reply

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  • Hougaard
    Jantjies
    Lambie
    Jacobs
    Aplon
    Mvovo
    Steyn

    Possibly the smallest backline ever but boy if they click it could be very entertaining.

    Thoughts ? I know this will never happen but its nice to think about?

  • Comment 38, posted at 16.11.10 09:32:45 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 36) : yip, thats what i thought. now we need to clap those poms!!

  • Comment 39, posted at 16.11.10 09:36:11 by VanWilder Reply

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  • Okay so I got three back threes there…

    You would want a terribly out of form, and out of shape Frans Steyn at 15, and have him play with Aplon (10 or so tests) and Mvovo (debutant)?

    I can understand the need for Mvovo to get a run, but why move Aplon who has been good in two tests at 15, for an out of sorts Steyn and mix up and bring out a whole new combination yet again that never played together?

    If you want to give a debutant a crack, at least do it in a combination with experience around him.

    Keep Aplon at 15, play Mvovo, and stick with Habs.

    Steyn does not deserve a spot in the starting XV at the moment, and Kirchner is no better than Aplon at 15.

  • Comment 40, posted at 16.11.10 09:36:27 by Morné Reply
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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 38) : i will not test that backline against the AB`s, but against a side like Scotland… not a bad idea. they are all small okes and proved their worth in defence, but taking the bashing of sonny bill and co would just be one too much me thinks.

  • Comment 41, posted at 16.11.10 09:38:48 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 34) :

    13??

    Adi??

  • Comment 42, posted at 16.11.10 09:39:19 by wpw Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 41) :

    Absolutly it could get messy against the ABs.

  • Comment 43, posted at 16.11.10 09:41:20 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • Morning all!
    @Morné (Comment 40) : Hate to wake up to dissagree about something straight away ! haha ,but frans steyn needs to be played at 15 /12 -the places he is good in ,he is the most potent kicker in world rugby ,having him at fullback where he drops from his half and can place kick from 60 meters suddenly changes the dynamics of how teams attack against us ,theyl kick the ball into the stands ,theyl make sure it goes out even if they cut off 20 m ,if they dont they know it is very well 3 point-can aplon ever do this ? Nz have sbw with his fancy one handed offloads ,big deal ,frans steyn can litteraly controll games just by being on the field

  • Comment 44, posted at 16.11.10 09:43:24 by baw Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 40) : i cant believe you are defending habana. dont understand me wrong, he is a GREAT player, but he is out of form strait out of the tri-nations… give him a rest and let him have a crack at it next year. he had enough chances now. Frans Steyn is solid in defence and give you a good kicking option from the back, habana is shite at the moment in defence and attack.

    listen, dont get me wrong, on form, habana will be in my team anyday, but his costing the team a hell of alot at the moment.

  • Comment 45, posted at 16.11.10 09:44:19 by VanWilder Reply

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  • Okay my real backline for the weekend -

    Hougaard
    Lambie
    Steyn
    Adi
    Mvovo
    Aplon
    Kichner

    I strongly suspect Jean is playing on this tour with a ongoing injury ..a break should do him good.We need him fresh for England.

    Bench: M Steyn , Pienaar , JDV

  • Comment 46, posted at 16.11.10 09:46:12 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @baw (Comment 44) :

    In all honesty, I have yet to see Frans control a game.

    What I do know is he has a freakish talent to drop or place kick great distances, but then again, what is his success rate with this?

    Steyn is slow at the back, and given what I have seen of him so far this year, lazy on defense.

    Add to that his current conditioning, and I see no argument for him deserving a spot in the team. His current form does not suggest it, his conditioning does not suggest it, and a 50 or 40% success rate with his boot is not enough to suggest it.

  • Comment 47, posted at 16.11.10 09:47:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @baw (Comment 44) :

    maybe in 2009 but definitely not this year.

    Frans seems to be unfit and he has struggled in the few tests he played this year.

  • Comment 48, posted at 16.11.10 09:51:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 47) : ;-)

  • Comment 49, posted at 16.11.10 09:51:39 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 47) : talking about success rates, then Habana dont deserve it either…

  • Comment 50, posted at 16.11.10 09:51:58 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 48) : He must stop smoking, not good for any pro… :roll:

  • Comment 51, posted at 16.11.10 09:52:22 by Charlie Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 45) :

    Ask yourself why he is believed, or reported to be out of form?

    Because he is not scoring tries?

    None of our outside backs are.

    Because his defense is poor?

    I said my bit about that above.

    Because he dropped the odd ball in the recent past?

    Hell all players do that, JDV dropped a sitter just last weekend.

    So why do you say he is out of form?

    Have you considered his work rate?

    In the last two tests he has looked for more than Basson, made more meters with ball in hand, made more clean breaks, beat more defenders and made more off-loads than any other back apart from Aplon and did not miss one tackle.

    So why is he out of form exactly?

  • Comment 52, posted at 16.11.10 09:56:05 by Morné Reply
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  • I wouldn’t mind seeing Steyn at 15 or 12 – when fit! I rate him as world-class in either position if he is allowed (and chooses) to settle in one position. He is not a 13 by any means though.

    I don’t think he is the best 15 we have right now (on current form), but a back 3 of him at 15 with Aplon and Habana at wing and Mvovo on the bench will do brilliantly.

  • Comment 53, posted at 16.11.10 09:58:47 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 47) : well his curretn form as an outside center ?whic he is not…
    I cant understand why people always turn to a players conditioning ,hes a back …not a forwards ,id say aplon needs to put on 10kgs .Remember the last game of 2009 tri nations? Im not sure why we dont give steyn more credit for that succes ,the whole kick and chase approach worked partly becuase the ab insisted in running the ball from their own 22 -and they got chased down…
    If we had aplon there they would have simpily kicked the ball out knowing he couldnt return it with interest. Frans steyn was nominated as player of the year last year for what he did

  • Comment 54, posted at 16.11.10 09:58:50 by baw Reply

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  • Appologies for my shocking spelling and grammar

  • Comment 55, posted at 16.11.10 09:59:46 by baw Reply

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  • @baw (Comment 54) :

    No not his current form, his overall form.

    Last week was not his first test for the Boks, the others he actually played 15.

  • Comment 56, posted at 16.11.10 10:01:11 by Morné Reply
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  • As for Aplon, I think the Boks win last week is by large thanks to him, so on current form, I cannot see why Aplon must be moved from 15 for Steyn

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  • @Morné (Comment 52) : And the stats don’t lie, being a following believer of what the media sometimes, dare I say mostly dish out can be so misleading… :shock:

  • Comment 58, posted at 16.11.10 10:06:33 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 58) :

    Aplon together with Habana has been our best backs on tour so far…

  • Comment 59, posted at 16.11.10 10:07:49 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 57) : Sorry that is NOT at all true …couldnt be more incorect ,it was due to our forwards like it was against ireland ,guys like juan smith ,victor and the beast -aplon made one or two good tackles ,previous to which everyone i knew wanted him dropped .I think youre right for now ,aplon must hold his jersey because its fair -but frans steyn must where the 15 jersey at the world cup next year period.

  • Comment 60, posted at 16.11.10 10:10:28 by baw Reply

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  • @baw (Comment 60) : Spelling !! ahhh :oops:

  • Comment 61, posted at 16.11.10 10:11:58 by baw Reply

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  • @baw (Comment 54) :

    You do know that match was over a year ago right??

    He kicked 3 penalties and well done to him but he is not the same player he was last year!!

  • Comment 62, posted at 16.11.10 10:14:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @baw (Comment 60) :

    Aplon and Habana has gained the most meters between them, made the most line-breaks, beaten defenders and made the most off-loads in the tackle than any other back (their about equal between them).

    Aplon only missed one tackle, Habs none.

    If and when Frans Steyn hits top form again, and at least looks lean and mean like he did in 2009, he will be my first choice, but till then, cannot see why we must find a spot for him.

  • Comment 63, posted at 16.11.10 10:14:14 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 59) : if i had my way this would be my backline this weekend
    9.Hougard
    10.Lambie
    12.De Villiers
    13.Kirchner(think he was alright at 13 atually and has had some game time compared to adi)
    11.Habbana
    14.Mvovo
    15.Steyn

  • Comment 64, posted at 16.11.10 10:16:10 by baw Reply

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  • @baw (Comment 64) :

    No Aplon?

  • Comment 65, posted at 16.11.10 10:17:07 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 65) : Did you get a chance to see SBW on the weekend ?

  • Comment 66, posted at 16.11.10 10:19:22 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 52) : we all know what habana is capable of, and he is NOWHERE near the player he can be. THAT my friend is out of form. and the quality of rugby (no matter if it is in defence or attack) he is dishing up at the moment, I feel ( listen carefully, my opinion) that we could rather try other options that could give us more. i do not doubt his ability in any way, on form his our best back.

  • Comment 67, posted at 16.11.10 10:19:32 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 62) : neither is habana.

  • Comment 68, posted at 16.11.10 10:20:55 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 63) : stats pleases ? :) i dissagree ,i dont think we should drop habbana ,but aplon just for me is not a potent enough fullback ,maybe at a push wing (he seems to be a well balanced runner )-the one thing a fullback needs is a good boot ,aplon battles . I say give frans steyn time at 15 this weekend and lets compare the two and the players around them-even though it is scotland

  • Comment 69, posted at 16.11.10 10:21:35 by baw Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 67) :

    Again I ask you, why do you reckon (ie. what do you base your opinion on) that he is out of form?

    Or what do you refer to by ‘the rugby he is dishing up’.

    If you are more specific, I might understand and agree.

    @Hertford Highlander (Comment 66) :

    I did, really impressive against the Scots, but I would love to see him against O’Driscoll and D’Arcy

  • Comment 70, posted at 16.11.10 10:22:22 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 65) : boom …no aplon !he looks tired ,give him a rest

  • Comment 71, posted at 16.11.10 10:22:53 by baw Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 65) : Id just like to mak a comparison –shane williams >aplon…frans steyn>shane williams

  • Comment 72, posted at 16.11.10 10:27:23 by baw Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 70) :

    Looks like Nonu may be benched again, D’Arcy is just the type of guy I’d love to see him go toe to toe with.

    Just can’t see GD containing him in the tackle !

    But will be interesting !

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  • Comment 74, posted at 16.11.10 10:27:59 by baw Reply

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  • @baw (Comment 69) :

    Aplon:

    Meters with ball in hand (running meters): 91 (most of any back)
    Clean breaks: 1 (only one of two players to get one in both tests, the other being Habana)
    Off-loads in tackle: 2 (one of only two players to get two, the other, Habana)

    Habana:

    Meters: 31 (second most of any back)
    Clean Breaks: 1
    Defenders beaten: 2 (most of any back)
    Off-loads: 2

    Aplon missed one tackle, Habana none.

  • Comment 75, posted at 16.11.10 10:31:58 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 70) : well, no tries in 8 test matches for a start. going for the intercept as often as he can, for me showing his lack in confidence in defence, his inability to finish off any line breaks and his lack of link-up play on attack. to sum it up, when on form, everytime Habs touches the ball, you get the feeling somethings going to happen, but at the moment that “X factor” is gone. much the same “X factor”-feeling i get with Mvovo.

  • Comment 76, posted at 16.11.10 10:32:12 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 75) : so habana made 16 meters per game with ball in hand as a strike runner?? i can see why you want to pick him… :roll:

  • Comment 77, posted at 16.11.10 10:35:31 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 76) :

    How many tries have any of our outside backs scored this year since the 3N?

    Habana, as stated above, has not missed a tackle on this tour yet, so is it the player, or defensive structures?

    Only two backs on tour so far made line-breaks, one being Habana, the other being Aplon.

    Link up play on attack is undefined, how do any other back link up on attack?

    For that matter, how many line-breaks did the Boks achieve this year and by who (meaning was there any chance for backs to link up)? As a matter of interest, have a look at the Wales test, two forwards scored the tries against Wales, standing in backline positions. So compare Habana’s link-up play to any back and tell me is worse than anyone else.

    To have any so-called X-factor you have to get the ball.

    In 160 minutes of rugby, Habana received the ball a grand total of 13 times…

    Pretty difficult to work your magic if you do not see the ball…

  • Comment 78, posted at 16.11.10 10:39:20 by Morné Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 77) :

    16 meters might be little, but given it is the second most of any back and Frans Steyn as an outside back, outside center, strike runner, who received or handled the ball 9 times (only 4 less than Habs who played two tests averaging 7.5 per test) notching up a ‘spectacular’ 9 meters with ball in hand, puts it in perspective a bit…

  • Comment 79, posted at 16.11.10 10:42:11 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 78) : Any way you can tell if he was on the wing when he got that ball? Bet you not, he goes looking off first phase ball in the channel next to the ruck, not out in the open.

  • Comment 80, posted at 16.11.10 10:44:44 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 80) :

    Well given that Basson, our other wing, received the ball or handled the ball a total of 6 times only in 180 minutes of rugby, suggests it was not as a wing does it?

    Which is why I say, the work rate of Habana is highly undervalued.

  • Comment 81, posted at 16.11.10 10:51:17 by Morné Reply
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  • So I take it this article went down well?

  • Comment 82, posted at 16.11.10 10:51:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 79) : i think steyn was more used to take the ball up and bashing rather than making line breaks etc. i think we are going nowhere with this. rather we agree to disagree. ;-) i still feel habana`s not giving his worth in defence and lack the attacking venom he had a season or 2 ago. as stated by you, i agree that he is scraping the barrel for meters gained and trying his best, but i just feel we must give mvovo to proof what he is about. and again, i do not doubt habanas ability, but he`s just not up to scratch for me at the moment.(my opinion).

  • Comment 83, posted at 16.11.10 10:55:05 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 83) :

    Well whatever Steyn was used for, I don’t think Habana or Basson was used at all, and had to make things happen for themselves.

  • Comment 84, posted at 16.11.10 10:58:05 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) : Voldy style :roll:

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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) : Objective achieved Mr Cardin….erm Otto :twisted:

  • Comment 86, posted at 16.11.10 10:58:56 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) :

    My cheque had better be in the mail.

  • Comment 87, posted at 16.11.10 11:00:03 by Morné Reply
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  • Well, that wasn’t my intention. I do honestly believe Habana must be dropped until he can remember what it means to put the team first

  • Comment 88, posted at 16.11.10 11:01:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 84) : that i will agree with you. i feel that we turned to the old kick and chase game when we actaully needed to turn on the style.

  • Comment 89, posted at 16.11.10 11:01:37 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 75) : okay bet the beast made simmilar yardage ,and just to point out that aplon is a fullback ,he probably had 15 meters to run at every one once he got the ball …so no surprises -doesnt show that he is special at all ,a more truthfull stat would tell how many meters he made within 2 or 3 meters of proximity with the opposition and compare that to the other backline players

  • Comment 90, posted at 16.11.10 11:04:00 by baw Reply

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  • Good morning all!
    Correct me if I’m wrong BUT I seem to remeber a moment in the game when IF HABANA HAD PASSED THE BALL APLON WOULD HAVE SCORED!!
    so I agree with you Rob

  • Comment 91, posted at 16.11.10 11:06:35 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • ….Scotland loom large…..I hear they are quite a formidable side !

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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) : Well then, looking back at Morne’s stats and comments, how exactly is he letting the team down?

  • Comment 93, posted at 16.11.10 11:08:23 by molly Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 92) : do all kiwi`s have the same haircut?

  • Comment 94, posted at 16.11.10 11:10:18 by baw Reply

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  • @baw (Comment 90) :

    Nope, Beast made 30 meters, handling the ball (as a ball carrying forward nogal) 13 times, same as Habana.

    But I fail to see the point of comparing Beast and Aplon. Beast’ job is picking and driving around the ruck or as part of a pod. So what is the significance?

  • Comment 95, posted at 16.11.10 11:11:03 by Morné Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 91) : Why does everyone think that? If JdV had not skipped the overlap with his pass the try might have been on, but as it was everyone was running sideways (and the defence was tracking us EASILY) and someone needed to straighten, please don’t try tell me Habana was going for the try, cause he straightened with the intent to pass to Frans, not go for the line.

  • Comment 96, posted at 16.11.10 11:12:28 by molly Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 95) : Beast is a Shark… We’re only attacking non-shark players here.

  • Comment 97, posted at 16.11.10 11:13:26 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 97) :

    Oh in that case let me mention that Pierre Spies made more meters with ball in hand in one game than Beast has done in 2. :twisted:

  • Comment 98, posted at 16.11.10 11:15:43 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 95) : well the significance is beast is running over two or three defenders at a time,where as aplon runs at empty space till he hits defenders ,stoped dead in his tracks ,or he trys to run around them ,gets caught and almost results in turn over tries…i think it also shows that youre earlier statement that the game was won by aplon is so absurd it offends me ! much like the kiwis haircut ;) not quite as much haha ,i would then like to see the stats for the rest of the forwards ?

  • Comment 99, posted at 16.11.10 11:16:54 by baw Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 96) : Although saying that, the one pass he didn’t collect probably would’ve been a try as well, instead it led to 3 points which was enough for the difference anyway.

  • Comment 100, posted at 16.11.10 11:19:49 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 97) : oh, so thats why you are defending habana… :cool:

  • Comment 101, posted at 16.11.10 11:22:11 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 98) : so what does that say about youre argument for aplon and habana ,that maybe spies should play wing?

  • Comment 102, posted at 16.11.10 11:22:59 by baw Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 95) : i know we are not comparing apples with aplons here but still

  • Comment 103, posted at 16.11.10 11:24:30 by baw Reply

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  • @baw (Comment 99) : I don’t remember saying the game was won by Aplon, but he contributed quite a bit. Also, Beast is a big heavy boy, of course he’s gonna run over players, why would you expect that of Aplon? Did you expect that of Lambie/Strauss/Terblanche in the CC, cause don’t think they would’ve pulled that off either. Instead (with the exception of Strauss) they ran around players, or offloaded to players in better positions, or set the ball up well for recycling. I don’t know when his runs led to turnover ball, but I promise you he runs towards the forwards, if its turned over then the forwards are doing a piss poor job.

  • Comment 104, posted at 16.11.10 11:25:43 by molly Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 101) : Nah, he is a good player, I just didn’t like how Rob chooses his angle and pulls only half a comment from the interview to push his agenda. This from the same guy who slates Keo when they do it.

  • Comment 105, posted at 16.11.10 11:27:03 by molly Reply
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  • @baw (Comment 94) :

    Well those that have hair do ! :lol:

  • Comment 106, posted at 16.11.10 11:27:18 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 105) : yep, but then again, you cant argue against the fact that habana is not close to the player he was a season or so ago… yip, he working at it, and i can see it, but i think he`s trying to hard. anyways, i`m officailly of the habana issue, everyone entitled to their opinion. :grin:

  • Comment 107, posted at 16.11.10 11:35:08 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @baw (Comment 99) :

    You obviously missed the part of clean line breaks, defenders beaten and off-loads in tackles of Habana and Aplon then hey?

    Of which only two forwards manage a clean break (Smith and Alberts) but then, they are forwards.

    Beast made no clean breaks, did not beat one defender. So again your statement is somewhat mystifying even if we do compare a prop with a fullback…

    Aplon made two crucial tackles in the last line of defense halting Wales who at the time, were 4 points behind us with minutes left on the clock.

    @baw (Comment 102) :

    No, if you cannot see the significance of the stats on how many times the wings actually get ball to run with or do something, compared to how many times Spies did (28 times against our wings combined total of 18) then I do not really know how else to explain it.

  • Comment 108, posted at 16.11.10 11:35:18 by Morné Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 107) : but that’s exactly it. Its exactly what PdV says (which is the part Rob left out), but also, and you have to agree, when he finally gets this try he’ll have a whole lot of pressure off, he’ll hopefully come right. Playing him against Scotland might give him the chance to get that try and cut loose. Scotland more that Ireland/Wales/NZ/Aus.

  • Comment 109, posted at 16.11.10 11:38:57 by molly Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 107) :

    He is not in the same form for sure, but looking at everything in context, it seems that a Habana on one leg is still more valuable to the Boks than none at all. From where I sit, he seems to be the hardest working backline player in a team where the back three gets zero opportunity.

  • Comment 110, posted at 16.11.10 11:40:59 by Morné Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 96) : Aplon was open on the wing…..I have watched it is sm and I say it was an almost dead cer. try :|

  • Comment 111, posted at 16.11.10 11:42:15 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • Stop trying so hard and do ur best Habana :smile:

  • Comment 112, posted at 16.11.10 11:42:18 by chaz Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 111) : But the defence was coming across very quickly, weren’t they? He was open when the ball got to JdV, not so much by the time Habana got it.

  • Comment 113, posted at 16.11.10 11:45:13 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 109) : Poor old Scotland…..shall I send a message to my Scots people and ask them to let BH score??? Put the poor oke out of his misery…the Scots are very charitable, you know

  • Comment 114, posted at 16.11.10 11:45:27 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 113) : Yeah BUT Aplon has speed and a wonderful side step and is hard to hold in a tackle and ……….I think he would have :grin:

  • Comment 115, posted at 16.11.10 11:47:42 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • On a sidenote… I’ve never wanted to punch someone as much as I wanted to punch Brian Moore.

  • Comment 116, posted at 16.11.10 11:47:55 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 116) : that the welsh commentator? :evil:

  • Comment 117, posted at 16.11.10 11:53:00 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 117) : you know it.

  • Comment 118, posted at 16.11.10 11:54:34 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 118) : i think they were only preparing us for the poms next weekend… those guys can get a bit irritating! :x remember the old legend, bill mclaren. (if i remember his name correctly)

  • Comment 119, posted at 16.11.10 11:59:53 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @baw (Comment 64) :

    There will be NO dropping of Aplon ! :twisted:

  • Comment 120, posted at 16.11.10 12:02:55 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 120) : :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 121, posted at 16.11.10 12:05:37 by wpw Reply
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  • @baw (Comment 99) :

    I challenge you to go back the entire tri-nations series and this tour ..Aplon NEVER losses possesion in contact.

    Believe !

    I wish that all our backline players would look to run into space ..by doing soo you create a gap for someone to run off of ya.

    It beggers believe that there are people out there still questioning this guy in the Starting 15.

  • Comment 122, posted at 16.11.10 12:08:06 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 120) : Probably not because pdv see`s himself in aplon ,I tell you moses came to me and said that you will be reborn and play for the green and gold :lol:

  • Comment 123, posted at 16.11.10 12:10:36 by baw Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 111) : @molly (Comment 113) :

    If you watch that again you’ll see that the certain try was not screwed up by Habana but the disease in SA rugby that we feel the need to skip pass as soon as a overlap presents itself ..the min that was done the cover defense could come over.

    All that was required was to run straight and let the ball thru the hands and Aplon would have been in the corner.

  • Comment 124, posted at 16.11.10 12:16:11 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 122) : I question him starting ! I dont think hes good enough thats my opinion ,I compare him to frans steyn and he just doesnt measure up .Frans steyn ,nominated player of the year ,big role in defeating the ab last year, 110 kg 6.3 ,played wing in his second test (i think- so no question about his speed)doesnt stop a player in a tackle ,he puts them down and they stay down. Can kick further than any one in world rugby ,drop kick further than any one in world rugby -if he had to he could run over forwards ,instead he runs around them, world cup winning center-shows his diversity .

  • Comment 125, posted at 16.11.10 12:17:36 by baw Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 117) : @molly (Comment 118) : Brian Moore is English. He doesn’t like the Boks and usually is extremely biased in his commentary.

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  • @baw (Comment 124) :

    Is that you Frans?? :roll: :twisted:

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  • @wpw (Comment 126) : how did you know ! no actualy cant you see its brad!

  • Comment 128, posted at 16.11.10 12:24:07 by baw Reply

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  • Why is my harmless comment awainting moderation ?

    WASSUP with that ! ;-)

    @baw (Comment 125) :

    You rolling out the usual soundbites that accompany F Steyn.

    Ill say it again go and see for yourself Aplon makes his tackles and is always a threat with ball in hand. Everyone know F Steyn will bash it up and never pass.( look I rate Steyn) but currently Im defending Aplon.The one tri-nations he tackled a AB lock for crying out loud…

    Thing is South Africans all think its about the size..its not Shane Williams ,Giteau , dominici ..the list goes on..

    Anywho its your opnion and I respect that ..perhaps the light will shine thru your window one day :cool:

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  • @lostfish (Comment 125) : I’m embarrassed about my inability to pick out accents. He’s an ass, glad to hear he’s English, I have Wales mates that are awesem.

  • Comment 130, posted at 16.11.10 12:25:18 by molly Reply
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  • @baw (Comment 124) : i have to differ with you there… he proved over and over again that his size has got nothing to do with it, and is our main strike runner at the moment. Frans at 15, aphlon at 14 and mvovo at 11.

    @lostfish (Comment 125) : yip, the only way to shut those types of people up is to win!

  • Comment 131, posted at 16.11.10 12:25:32 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 116) :

    Yea he was painful ..but I get a kick out of baised idiot commentators when their team loses ..

    I found them discussing Walsh rehab and problems on air just min into the match in very bad taste.

    KNOB !!! :razz:

  • Comment 132, posted at 16.11.10 12:27:12 by CSB Aplon's Biggest Fan ! Reply

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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 128) : to be honest i wouldnt start aplon for wp ;) kids maybe id play him at lock ,he probably improve youre pack.
    Well what frans steyn has to offer hard to ignore ,will racing metro ever pay 22 mil for aplon ?no

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  • @baw (Comment 128) :

    Get a Haircut Fransie ;-)

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  • @CSB Aplon’s Biggest Fan ! (Comment 133) : :)

  • Comment 135, posted at 16.11.10 12:31:17 by baw Reply

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  • Habana did not missed one single tackle….simply because he did not MAKE any!!! :lol:

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 135) : shame ! its fine he better than aplon ;) @CSB Aplons biggest fan!

  • Comment 137, posted at 16.11.10 12:36:00 by baw Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 129) : The Welsh have a really strange accent. You must have heard the high pitched Welsh pygmy speaking (Johnathan Davies) There are very few commentators out there who are unbiased. It just makes it very unpleasant when they are as obvious as Moore.

  • Comment 138, posted at 16.11.10 13:05:45 by lostfish Reply
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  • Both Frans and Aplon started 3 games in 2010 at fullback.

    Aplon handled the ball 4 times less than Steyn, yet made about double the amount of meters with ball in hand.

    Steyn did not manage one single line break, Aplon did.

    Steyn only beat a defender one time more than Aplon (2 plays 1)

    Steyn as a player scored a total of 11 points for the Boks this year, which included one try, and two penalties

    Aplon, 15 points, 3 tries.

    Now who do you reckon is the bigger threat in 2010?

  • Comment 139, posted at 16.11.10 13:07:51 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 138) :

    Is this the stats only in those three games each?

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 139) :

    Yes, both only scored 1 try from fullback, Aplon scoring the other two from wing.

    Other than that, it is only when both started at fullback.

  • Comment 141, posted at 16.11.10 13:12:20 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 138) :

    And Aplon does not kick – but in essence its three “scores” each – would have been the same if the points awarded were the same.. :twisted:

  • Comment 142, posted at 16.11.10 13:12:59 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • In other words, I ignored stats from Aplon when he started at wing (and Steyn’s game last week).

  • Comment 143, posted at 16.11.10 13:13:26 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 140) :

    So its actually 11 points to 3 then..

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  • Sorry to ask – I thought the “argument” was about Habana and Steyn and not Aplon and Steyn? So Aplon also scored more off the wing position then? – correct?

    Then put Steyn in at fullback and Aplon on the wing and move Habs to teh bench…easy…see? :lol:

  • Comment 145, posted at 16.11.10 13:16:35 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 141) :

    Strangely, Frans has kicked out of hand 17 times in 3 starts at fullback, Aplon, 11

  • Comment 146, posted at 16.11.10 13:20:59 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 143) :

    11/3?

    11/5 more like it, one try each.

    The argument is why Steyn deserves a spot in the team in the first place…

  • Comment 147, posted at 16.11.10 13:22:30 by Morné Reply
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  • just on North’s tries – it seems that both of them are very suspect. one coming after obstruction, the second from being way in front of the kicker. :roll:

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  • @Morné (Comment 146) :

    :oops: :lol: Yeah 11/5 ! :mrgreen:

    Okay – so you just comparing him with the okes currently in the positions he can also be shuffed in?

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  • Okay I am out, checking out the Bok team

  • Comment 150, posted at 16.11.10 13:35:59 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 148) :

    Main point is, I think we have better players in each position than what Frans given his current form brings.

    Habs, well, discussed him above, from this tour, he seems to be the hardest working back in the team.

  • Comment 151, posted at 16.11.10 13:37:59 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 150) :

    Stats shows it perhaps – but does it “look” like he is the hardest working one ? To many – I think not – simply because they expect more from him – same with Spies…and well ja – he is not the Habana van ouds…to me it simply seems like he’s hovering on the field waiting for an intercept – but that is just an “observation” not stats or fact..

  • Comment 152, posted at 16.11.10 13:41:45 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • Apologies if this has been mentioned before.

    The fact that a raw 18-year-old in Welsh Winger George North managed to score two tries, on debut, down Habana’s wing Sorry but that’s mos nonsense and a cheapshot. And not a very good one either. I’d suggest having another look at the match. :roll:

  • Comment 153, posted at 16.11.10 14:05:12 by McLovin Reply

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  • Lambie, Alberts, Mvovo on the Bok bench

  • Comment 154, posted at 16.11.10 14:06:31 by Morné Reply
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  • However, Habs having scan on his hand, likely to be ruled out, Mvovo will then start.

  • Comment 155, posted at 16.11.10 14:07:03 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 151) :

    The problem with Aplon at 15 is that he still plays like a wing. Popping up mostly were a fullback should not be. The Boks need a FB and Steyn is the best one by far.

    Aplon’s meters gained in the last game was mostly from run backs that came to nothing. A good long kick would have been better.

    There is an example at 2:30 in the video.
    http://www.rugbydump.blogspot.com/

    Aplon gains about 30m and the result is LO to Wales. A probable outcome from a kick into the Wales’ 25 would have been a LO to the Boks in about the same spot.

  • Comment 156, posted at 16.11.10 14:46:45 by fyndraai Reply
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  • To me the question is that if the coach realize that Habana’s problem is the record, why does he not deal with it? Make it clear to Habana that the team comes first. Drop him to emphisize this point if needed.

    Then one has to wonder whether the coach is really in control of the team (or his faculties ;-) ).

  • Comment 157, posted at 16.11.10 15:03:01 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Fyndraai, out of the newspaper report this was not the point I got…I understood it to be “if he can just score it would give him the confidence and boost he needs to UP his game…

    I reckon this article was based on selective reading… :wink:

  • Comment 158, posted at 16.11.10 15:11:09 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 13) : disagree morne. most habana’s defensive flaws come from him trying to get the intercept rather than tracking the man. new zealand and australia know this and have successfully gone past him a number of times this season by holding onto the ball the fraction longer. but i do agree with your observation on the backline defence, it is woeful, but it seems to stem from jean de villiers drifting in rather than out, leaving a gap between him and second centre. and i think this is do to him trying to protect a dreadful morne steyn’s defence.

  • Comment 159, posted at 17.11.10 07:32:00 by try time Reply

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  • what i do find hilarious is all the province supporters that were bitching about habana last year are now his biggest fans. :lol:

  • Comment 160, posted at 17.11.10 07:33:54 by try time Reply

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  • Good to see the Province faithful defending Habana – Im glad they are happy with his form. What was it Stefan said about a team and a bunch of individuals….?

  • Comment 161, posted at 17.11.10 09:55:14 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 160) :
    You should attend a match at Newlands when he is playing – whenever he gets the ball the whole stadium erupts expecting him to do something miraculous, which he seldom does. Its huge pressure they put on him – he does seem to enjoy it though.

  • Comment 162, posted at 17.11.10 10:00:14 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 161) : @Salmonoid (Comment 162) :

    Are you a WUM??

    You certainly sound like one!!

  • Comment 163, posted at 17.11.10 10:15:42 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 163) :
    No, well sometimes, maybe – but in this instance its a truthful observations. ;-)

  • Comment 164, posted at 17.11.10 10:24:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 164) :

    I think you should note that every one of us admitted that he is not playing well at the moment.

    Dude, if the Sharks had signed him wouldn’t you also support him when he loses form?? :???:

    And none of us are blindly supporting him are we?? ;-)

  • Comment 165, posted at 17.11.10 10:30:19 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 165) :
    He has been woefully out of form for a lomg time now -its become embarrasing and the Bok team is not the place to get his form back. I really hope that if one of the Sharks players was that out of form I would I would be so one eyed as to defend him retaining his place…..but then I do remember backing Kanko a while ago when everyone was baying for his blood.

  • Comment 166, posted at 17.11.10 10:43:21 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 165) :
    You guys dont really have a choice but to defend him, after all its you guys and your fawning press that brainwashed him into believing that he is infallible. ;-)

  • Comment 167, posted at 17.11.10 10:49:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 166) :

    *cough* John Smit *cough* *cough* :twisted:

  • Comment 168, posted at 17.11.10 11:03:56 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 162) : that explains why he didn’t fire in durban. the crowd cheered every cock up he made. :lol:

  • Comment 169, posted at 17.11.10 11:06:00 by try time Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 167) :

    ‘our press’

    I will have you know that I despise the rugby writers in Slaapstad.

    I can’t think of one decent writer in CT.

    Well, the exception being Clayone and Morne. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 170, posted at 17.11.10 11:07:27 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 168) :
    Smit is a genius – the discussion is now closed.
    Anyway you are Smits biggest defender – I clearly, and proudly, remember you defending Smitty against that guy that wears the bikini bottom (have forgotten his nome now) – the turbo reverse chap.

  • Comment 171, posted at 17.11.10 11:17:29 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 169) :
    That was a great crowd.

  • Comment 172, posted at 17.11.10 11:20:15 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 170) :
    This is bad – we agree on something – fully.

  • Comment 173, posted at 17.11.10 11:21:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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