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Where the hell is Keegan Daniel?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 17 Nov 2010 at 10:36
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While I find the Bok team named to play the Scots on Saturday mostly encouraging, it’s the omission of Keegan Daniel that I simply cannot fathom.

Deon Stegmann has now been named to start his third successive test at open-side flank – this after initially being left out of the tour squad entirely. He was called in as a late replacement for Schalk Burger, while there were many (myself included) who questioned how his call-up could possibly justified, based on the fact that he had played hardly any Currie Cup rugby. Daniel, on the other hand, was a virtually universally popular pick, given that he had excelled for the Sharks at both open side flank and eighthman throughout the competition. Daniel was duly named as the best open side flanker in numerous teams of the tournament, including our own here on Sharksworld.

Now it was somewhat of a slap in the face for Daniel when Stegmann suddenly leap-frogged him into the Bok starting lineup to face Ireland, which was mitigated to an extent by the Sharks man’s inclusion on the bench. Stegmann was passably good in his first test, but certainly didn’t set the world alight. More concerning was his showing against Wales the following week, where he, quite simply, disappeared. In fact, the Boks stood no chance whatsoever of winning the test match before Willem Alberts came on the replace Stegmann in the 48th minute. At that point, the momentum turned and what looked like an embarrassing defeat was turned into a victory.

Two things stand out here. Firstly is the question about whether players like Stegmann – and the role they play, that of the specialist “fetcher” – are actually necessary in the game right now. The jury would probably still be out on that one, but certainly things now seem a far cry from the 2009 season, when a ball-poacher like Hein Brussow ruled supreme at every breakdown. Some of the most ardent exponents of the “Boks must play a specialist fetcher” theory, including our friend Tank Lanning, only needed to watch the last half-hour of the Wales match to start noisily climbing down from that position and claiming that a man like Alberts might just add far more to the starting loose trio than Stegmann does. So why, then, are we continuing with Stegmann?

The second question is, why exactly was Daniel picked for the tour if he’s not going to be used? Now his critics will argue that he isn’t – and has never been – a specialist fetcher. In fact, his best performances in the Currie Cup usually came when he was wearing the number 8 jersey. What he does bring, though, is the sort of linking game that Boks simply won’t get from any other loose forward in the squad. Daniel is the best ball-player the Boks have amongst the forwards – bar none – and his superb anticipation and reading of the game emerged as one of the key factors that enabled the Sharks were able to play the high-tempo ball-in-hand gamer that won the Currie Cup. He’s a special player, all right, but he’s also a different player – one who doesn’t fit into any of the neatly-labelled loose forward boxes that we currently seem to be obsessed with. What disappoints me most here is that, if anyone SHOULD be able to find a way to use Daniel to his best abilities, it should be the supposedly maverick duo of Peter de Villiers and Dick Muir.

Now while the decision to start Ryan Kankowski at number 8 against Scotland is the right one – as well as one that was seemingly decided a few days before the Ireland test (and any doping scandals broke) – I am convinced that the Boks have got the open-side position 100% wrong. The Scotland test is the ideal opportunity to asses how well Daniel can fit into the Bok playing pattern and while it would be tempting to start with Alberts at 6 and put Daniel on the bench, I don’t feel that would really work. Big Vic is a blindside flank and as good as he is, he needs to prove that he is better than Juan Smith before he can lay a claim to that starting spot. The number 6 jersey, however, is wide open and if the Springbok coaching team were at all serious about Daniel being a part of their plans, they needed to give him an opportunity to claim that jersey.

They haven’t, though and that can only lead me to one conclusion; Daniel was brought along to appease us, but they never intended to play him.



140 Comments

  • Agree with you,keegan is the potential link man to keep attacks flowing,the perfect partner for an alberts (and spies),especially against the scots..sbw is all the hype,but keegan has much the same ball-skills(offloading in the tackle),albeit at 94-95 kgs..

  • Comment 1, posted at 17.11.10 10:45:20 by bergshark Reply
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  • True. Lack of planning and vision..

    Same same taking Elton Jantjies along when you have Morne Steyn, Pat Lambie, Ruan Pienaar and Frans Steyn that can cover 10. And Elton as good as he is does not cover any other positions.

    Same same taking Adi Jacobs along and then playing Kirchner and Frans Steyn at 13.

    Same same Kanko leapfrogging Daniel, Alberts and Spies into the starting line up.

  • Comment 2, posted at 17.11.10 10:47:30 by Sportbilly Reply
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  • Rob – your last paragraph sums up my thought on this..

  • Comment 3, posted at 17.11.10 10:52:58 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • Lol the planning of the coaching team..or rather,the lack thereof

  • Comment 4, posted at 17.11.10 10:56:40 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 3) : and that just pisses me off.

  • Comment 5, posted at 17.11.10 10:56:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • Its all a laughable affair can’t wait for the WC to be over so we can hopefully get some new coaches in there!

  • Comment 6, posted at 17.11.10 10:57:13 by Ben Reply
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  • i think alberts should have got a start with daniels on the bench…they are different players with albert doing the job of danie roussouw (you wont see him in a bok jersey now alberts is thre) and thn daniels is that roaming drifter hard working guy…but both better than stegman…and for the boks…it s a pity francios louw in not there cause he is a good player as well…stegman selection baffles me !!!

  • Comment 7, posted at 17.11.10 10:58:37 by Barrel Reply

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  • What happend with the aus munster game last night? I fell asleep when munster was 9 6 up.

  • Comment 8, posted at 17.11.10 11:01:06 by Ben Reply
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  • @Barrel (Comment 7) : it’s like there is no plan AT ALL for the loose forwards. They seem to want to give absolutely everyone there is 1 cap.

    Starting from last year, after Brussow got injured… we tried Potgieter, Deysel, Johnson, Louw, Stegmann, Daniel, Alberts…

  • Comment 9, posted at 17.11.10 11:03:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • Munster beat aus 15-6

  • Comment 10, posted at 17.11.10 11:05:25 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 8) : Munster won, but not sure of the score

  • Comment 11, posted at 17.11.10 11:05:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 10) : @robdylan (Comment 11) : okay thanks but it looked like an aus B team

  • Comment 12, posted at 17.11.10 11:08:20 by Ben Reply
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  • Agreed about the whole labelling of loose forwards,such bs
    The only out and out fetch in world rugby atm is pocock. Mcaw is what every flank should be ,tenacious, clever and tough as nails.
    Stegman doesnt add anything .
    I think the coaching staff are disjointed . To me the continous searching for another brussow means if fit we will see brussow in the 6 jersey next world cup ,regardless of what the current game is played like and how the focus has shifted to benefit the attacking team. This shows me that we are utterly doomed …hate to be a pesemist! Ignorant

  • Comment 13, posted at 17.11.10 11:09:26 by baw Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : dont forget the unluckiest 1 cap bok ever…sowerby…he would have played over 50 tests for France…that was the biggest crying shame ever…

    something fun to do for the forum…start a blog…the worst bok xv ever…me and my mates do it and u will love the answers that come up in it…something fun to do…from post 94…blasts from the past i tell you…like elandre van der burgh…ant leonard…the bester brothers…

  • Comment 14, posted at 17.11.10 11:11:09 by Barrel Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 10) : ah yes! Now I am sure of the score.

  • Comment 15, posted at 17.11.10 11:11:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Barrel (Comment 14) : I’m pretty sure we did that one a few years ago. But yeah, we’re gonna need some entertaining pots to keep us going now that the Sharks aren’t playing!

  • Comment 16, posted at 17.11.10 11:13:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : how did you get involved with this site? are you involved in rugby @ all in KZN or just a rugby fan?

  • Comment 17, posted at 17.11.10 11:14:36 by Barrel Reply

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  • @Barrel (Comment 17) : just a fan… albeit a very persistent one

  • Comment 18, posted at 17.11.10 11:19:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • If you wear the gold-and-green of aus then you aus..2 defeats in a row,and I still think they got a lucky call with their first try vs wales(prop illegally winning ball on the ground after beale’s tackle,for their first try..

  • Comment 19, posted at 17.11.10 11:22:04 by bergshark Reply

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  • Well, its not surprising that Stegman got the nod…AGAIN…and Kegs left out in the cold again. I mean, you all commented on his abilities, his linking skills and off loading in a tackle, etc. But is that the type of game that PdV plays or coaches? The answer is a straight forward NO! He would rather have somebody just slowing the ball down (or attempts to) and joining rucks for the sake of joining. I simply love the AB style of playing (and becoming more of a supporter of their style)…..which is exactly how the Sharks approached the CC. Lovely!!

  • Comment 20, posted at 17.11.10 11:24:55 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : Rob, I am a big keeeegs fan, and with love to see him play. He brings something unique as a loose forward player. As a coach of the national team, with u give a debut to a player ( 4 what ever reason you selected him) and then dump him because of one bad game? I don’t like Stegman. One feels that you don’t want to ruin a player and effect his confidence 4 The rest of his life? Some of the greatest players were born from a second chance. PDV chose Stegman 4 Irelands match, now we should give Steg his time.

  • Comment 21, posted at 17.11.10 11:27:12 by Mocho Reply

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  • Eish,the bester bros..andre was the hooker,piet the prop,right?nasty combo..just there to fight..masters of the cheap shot..just ask a former bok coach hehehehe..but he was nasty piece of work also..(Worst bok coach EVER?)..said coach also advised willem de waal against joining sharks,2002..

  • Comment 22, posted at 17.11.10 11:37:55 by bergshark Reply

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  • Eishnthe bester bros..andre the hooker andd piet the prop..both masters of the cheap shot..just ask a certain former bok coach hehehehe(he himself a nasty piece of work..worst bok coach EVER?..advised willem de waal back in 2002 against joining the sharks)

  • Comment 23, posted at 17.11.10 11:43:41 by bergshark Reply

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  • Keegan’s biggest problem is that he’s a generalist – he does everything to a high standard but there’s no attribute where he’s the best in the side.
    On defence, ball-carrying and foraging he’s up there but in each discipline there’s somebody specialised that’s better than him.

    Its a shame because I really like his work.

  • Comment 24, posted at 17.11.10 11:46:21 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Sorrt bout the duplicate coms..running on mobile and bit slow to show com posted..

  • Comment 25, posted at 17.11.10 11:48:21 by bergshark Reply

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  • I think multi-skilled players are good..just need to get the balance right in selection ..and with the current lot coaching the boks,that seems unlikely..

  • Comment 26, posted at 17.11.10 11:59:16 by bergshark Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 24) : good bench option, maybe? Cos he can do a job anywhere…

  • Comment 27, posted at 17.11.10 12:13:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • you want to know why steggies is in the team? your answer is victor matfield. i have a problem with this, because the senior players have to much authority and they tell piet helium who is gonna play and how they are going to play. the coaches isn’t coaching anymore. the players have to much to say in everything they do. there is no way in hell that steggies is better than daniel. the coaches need to stand up and coach the team.

  • Comment 28, posted at 17.11.10 12:46:00 by butchboy Reply

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  • I just interviewed the next great Bok tighthead

  • Comment 29, posted at 17.11.10 12:54:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : cool, who?

  • Comment 30, posted at 17.11.10 13:00:54 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 30) : Allan Dell from Queens

  • Comment 31, posted at 17.11.10 13:05:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) :

    FOR FUN…

    WORST BOK TEAM SINCE READMISSION

    i have a couple in some positions so this is just for fun and banter…

    1 – Ettienne Fynn
    2 – Dale Sandton (Bester / Tromp)
    3 – Majati
    4 – Schutte Bekker (Elandre Van Der Bergh)
    5 – Quentin Davids (Marco Wentzel)
    6 – Puke Watson
    7 – Hilton Lobberts
    8 – anton Leonard

    9 – Dave Van Hoeslin (Dan Van Zyl / Deon De Cock)
    10 – Lance SherrelL
    11 – Kaya Malotani (McNeil Hendricks)
    12 – Edrich Lubbe
    13 – Wayne Jules (Grant Esterhuizen)
    14 – Henno Mentz
    15 – Magic Johnson / Bev Fortuin

    What do you guys think…any i have left out???

  • Comment 32, posted at 17.11.10 13:15:53 by Barrel Reply

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  • @Barrel (Comment 32) : not fair to put Johnson in there… he was a good player, I reckon. Even held a points scring record for a few years.

    Theo van Rensburg is the man who should be there.

    Also reckon you’re confusing Schutte Bekker with Botha Rossouw. Schutte was actually a pretty good loose forward. Can’t say I recall him playing lock, though.

    You’ve also, inexcusably, left out Jorrie Muller :)

  • Comment 33, posted at 17.11.10 13:20:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : tragic johnson was bad but he can share it with theo…

    bekker did play a few games lock but he can drop to the loosies and elandre can take his place…

    jorrie was on my list and he was also bad…6 games 1 try and a 66% losing rate!!!

    im sur we can talk about loads of players who deserve to be tghre though hey!!!

  • Comment 34, posted at 17.11.10 13:27:37 by Barrel Reply

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  • @Barrel (Comment 32) : Henno Mentz was not a bad player. He got injured just when he started playing some really good rugby.

  • Comment 35, posted at 17.11.10 13:36:23 by Letgo Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 24) : All that you said considered and valid points. But he outplayed all the other so called specialists during the CC 2010 didn’t he?

  • Comment 36, posted at 17.11.10 13:59:05 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • keegan will outshine stegmann every day of the week and stegmann is damn slow

    he looked like a carthorse last weekend

  • Comment 37, posted at 17.11.10 14:07:00 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Barrel (Comment 32) : i know earl rose never played in a test, but represented SA in weekday games, maybe we could scribble him in… if we could do that we could almost scribble all the guys from last years EOYT weekday games in… :twisted:

  • Comment 38, posted at 17.11.10 14:14:16 by VanWilder Reply

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  • If the last two weeks for Pier Spies was him making a comeback, then I don’t know why he was selected for the Boks in the first place. He only made a few meters with the ball after Alberts came onto the field, guess he was somehow motivated to put a little more in.

    I’m glad I don’t have to watch him this weekend.

  • Comment 39, posted at 17.11.10 14:14:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 39) : Agree with you 100%

  • Comment 40, posted at 17.11.10 14:16:32 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 36) :

    Did he really? Me think he was pretty well helped by a strong pack.
    Put him in the cheetahs line-up and we’ll see if he shines.
    Make no mistake – he is up there as one of my favourite players – I’m juts commenting on why he hasnt yet made it.

    I agree with Rob – he would make a neat bench option.

  • Comment 41, posted at 17.11.10 14:16:35 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 39) :

    I have to agree Letgo. He looks spectacular with his legs pumping and his enormous upper body but he doesnt actually get anywhere.

    I cant remember when last I saw him break the line. Maybe a seaosn or two ago?

  • Comment 42, posted at 17.11.10 14:17:55 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 41) : So you then suggest that a player needs to play behind a cheetahs pack first before he can even be considered to be any good?
    I thought the Boks forwards need to be strong in any way. How silly of me…..

  • Comment 43, posted at 17.11.10 14:18:32 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Barrel (Comment 32) :

    You forgot my personal favourite – Russell Bennett.

  • Comment 44, posted at 17.11.10 14:18:35 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 6) : Sigh! Thats what I feel…just hope not too many players careers are destroyed in the mean time… :cry:

  • Comment 45, posted at 17.11.10 14:18:39 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Barrel (Comment 32) : Earl Rosie boy

  • Comment 46, posted at 17.11.10 14:18:49 by chaz Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 43) :

    No dumbass. Dont put words in my mouth.

  • Comment 47, posted at 17.11.10 14:19:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 47) : Screw you MF. Just debate. Not words in your big ass hole in your face.

  • Comment 48, posted at 17.11.10 14:20:55 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 48) : eish thats a bit harsh don’t u think just remember the rules kids do read this :cry:

  • Comment 49, posted at 17.11.10 14:23:24 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 49) : And personal attacks get tolerated? Or do the kids not read that?

  • Comment 50, posted at 17.11.10 14:25:15 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 50) : true but the language is what i was talking about ;-)

  • Comment 51, posted at 17.11.10 14:26:57 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 51) : What language? ass hole? :shock: :shock: :shock:

  • Comment 52, posted at 17.11.10 14:28:27 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 47) : Hey Vini did u braai the ref my friend :roll: CC finals glad to c u hv a new Avatar :smile:

  • Comment 53, posted at 17.11.10 14:29:43 by chaz Reply

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  • @Barrel (Comment 32) :

    Wayne Julies doesnt deserve to be on that list. :roll:

    Heinrich Fuls
    Japie Mulder
    Robbie Brink
    Wessel Roux
    Owen Nkumane (not sure if he played in a test though)

  • Comment 54, posted at 17.11.10 14:30:35 by wpw Reply
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  • @chaz (Comment 53) : :roll: :roll: :roll: typical :roll: :roll: :roll:

  • Comment 55, posted at 17.11.10 14:30:44 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 52) :

    Screw you MF :roll:

  • Comment 56, posted at 17.11.10 14:31:25 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 56) : Have a nice time explaining to your kids what MF means……

  • Comment 57, posted at 17.11.10 14:32:10 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 55) : :evil: eish did u get out of the wrong side of the bed my friend :roll: ;-)

  • Comment 58, posted at 17.11.10 14:32:29 by chaz Reply

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  • @Barrel (Comment 32) :

    Danie Van Schalkwyk (played centre for Bulls and Boks)
    Nico Wegner (former WP lock)
    Johan le Roux (the biter) :roll:

  • Comment 59, posted at 17.11.10 14:33:28 by wpw Reply
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  • @chaz (Comment 58) : No. Not at all actually. Just tired of people getting their panties in a knot when debating a certain point. And then of people like you only reading the last comment and then having an opinion about it.

  • Comment 60, posted at 17.11.10 14:35:11 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 57) : i don’t think so i don’t like to lie so what do i tell them if they ask me what MF means in ur sentance thats all and lighten up gee we are all Sharks fans nt the BB fans ;-)

  • Comment 61, posted at 17.11.10 14:35:48 by chaz Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 57) :

    Dude, please calm down. ;-)

  • Comment 62, posted at 17.11.10 14:36:38 by wpw Reply
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  • Pretty sure this is not the first time a player from outside the original squad comes in and gets picked ahead of someone already in the squad.

    And not just from from PdV.

    As they say,life’s not fair.

  • Comment 63, posted at 17.11.10 14:37:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 60) u know just forget the whole thing really before it all gets out of hand :lol: ;-)

  • Comment 64, posted at 17.11.10 14:38:06 by chaz Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 60) :

    I think you misunderstood Vinnie’s post.

    Believe me he rates Keegan. He was just saying he is not a specialist 6, 7 or 8 and it usually used to fill a gap when someone is either injured or away with the Boks!! ;-)

  • Comment 65, posted at 17.11.10 14:38:19 by wpw Reply
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  • :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: @wpw (Comment 62) : :evil: @chaz (Comment 61) : :evil: @VinChainSaw (Comment 47) : :evil:

  • Comment 66, posted at 17.11.10 14:38:26 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 62) : :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 67, posted at 17.11.10 14:38:41 by chaz Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 66) : oh well 4 what its worth still dig u my friend :lol: ;-)

  • Comment 68, posted at 17.11.10 14:39:48 by chaz Reply

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  • woaaaah – slow down please, all of you!

    Come on, guys… we’re all friends here. No need for petty name-calling

  • Comment 69, posted at 17.11.10 14:40:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 65) : I did understand it actually and IF YOU READ THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS PROPERLY I even said that I agree with him. But when I “counter-commented” on one of his comments, I am a dumbass…..

  • Comment 70, posted at 17.11.10 14:41:17 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 70) : Vinnie shouldn’t have called you a dumbass for disagreeing with him, sure, but please rather walk away now.

    This thing has escalated far enough.

  • Comment 71, posted at 17.11.10 14:42:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) : thank that is all i was trying to tell our friend here :mrgreen:

  • Comment 72, posted at 17.11.10 14:43:02 by chaz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : @chaz (Comment 72) : :| :| :| not so happy. but i’ll give you what you want…… :|

  • Comment 73, posted at 17.11.10 14:46:14 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 38) : i agree but i only looked @ players that had an official test cap or we could get 2 teams to play each other and watch a hell of a bad game…haha

  • Comment 74, posted at 17.11.10 14:48:18 by Barrel Reply

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  • Have some chill(i) pills guys!!!jeepers :shock:

  • Comment 75, posted at 17.11.10 14:51:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 73) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 76, posted at 17.11.10 14:58:13 by chaz Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 75) : its over my friend over next subject ;-)

  • Comment 77, posted at 17.11.10 14:58:54 by chaz Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 73) : I’ll have a word with the other party too. He’s a little excitable at times.

    In fact, the story of how Vinny and I got to know each other is quite funny…

  • Comment 78, posted at 17.11.10 15:00:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 44) : 6 games 2 tries…thought he was ok but like i said its only banter and to see who should be there…

  • Comment 79, posted at 17.11.10 15:01:29 by Barrel Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 43) : @VinChainSaw (Comment 47) : You were looking for it dude. :lol: Nice sarcasm there. ” thought the Boks forwards need to be strong in any way. How silly of me…..” If I gave that comment to anyone I know they would have reacted exactly the same as Vin did.

    I don’t think Vinnie is saying a guy has to play with a weakend pack before we can know his quality, but you have to admit a bunch of forwards like the ones Keegs played with, at the Sharks has to help him out a lot. So Vinnie gave some of the credit for his performances to the rest of our loosies (Alberts) and team cohesion and game plan.

    I would love it if Pdiv gives Keegan a chance, but maybe Vin is right here, he may disappear in a game where he does not have all the above mentioned support.

    I will say in this for Keegan though, it’s well worth it to give the guy a chance, because he has proven many a critic wrong in the past.

  • Comment 80, posted at 17.11.10 15:02:37 by Letgo Reply
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  • Who ? Keegan Daniels… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 81, posted at 17.11.10 15:03:32 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : Hope it doesn’t start with – ‘Our eyes met across a crowded room…’ ;-)

  • Comment 82, posted at 17.11.10 15:04:48 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : Sorry I brought it up again Rob, but I just found it too funny. :lol:

    It read like a conversation between me and one of my siblings (brothers, sister… parents, when we disagree on something. Not always pretty, but quite funny.

    I saw that comment from Vin coming even before it was made.

  • Comment 83, posted at 17.11.10 15:06:35 by Letgo Reply
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  • @chaz (Comment 46) : Earl never played a test…

  • Comment 84, posted at 17.11.10 15:06:48 by Barrel Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 80) :

    Ja, John Daniels se seun!! :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 85, posted at 17.11.10 15:08:21 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 54) : fuls started in 92…pre admission but i see he did play in 8 tests…japie won a RWC…brink was involved in 95 RCW and was good…roux could play there…owen never played a test…

  • Comment 86, posted at 17.11.10 15:11:41 by Barrel Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : Oh do share :grin:

  • Comment 87, posted at 17.11.10 15:12:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 81) : :shock: :lol:

  • Comment 88, posted at 17.11.10 15:13:23 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Barrel (Comment 85) :

    Roux was useless!!

    Remember the 3-53 loss to the Poms??

    He started in that game!! Should never have been a Bok.

  • Comment 89, posted at 17.11.10 15:15:02 by wpw Reply
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  • Just laughed.Go to the bulls website and it goes like this-Deon,uiteindelik is jy waar jy hoort etc etc

  • Comment 90, posted at 17.11.10 15:15:04 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 59) : danie 8 tests 2 tries…nice started 93…the biter could be there but i feel he was a decent players…loads of props so we would have hundreds actually…ollie got 50 caps but 46 from the bench!!!

  • Comment 91, posted at 17.11.10 15:16:00 by Barrel Reply

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  • @Barrel (Comment 83) : :oops: i know was just hv a bit of fun :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 92, posted at 17.11.10 15:17:54 by chaz Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 88) : that what i was saying…he can be in the team…of bad players…

  • Comment 93, posted at 17.11.10 15:18:39 by Barrel Reply

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  • @Barrel (Comment 92) : what about our new friendly shark Pretoors :???:

  • Comment 94, posted at 17.11.10 15:20:44 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 93) :

    Pretoors was just inconsistent.

    Louis Koen should be the starting flyhalf in that team!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 95, posted at 17.11.10 15:25:19 by wpw Reply
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  • @butchboy (Comment 28) : if vic is supposedly picking the team, why would he drop teammate spies?

    @Mocho (Comment 21) : i agree with you. stegmann might not be the form player, but he was selected to do a job. and it is only fair to him to get an extended run.

    to put this in perspective, let’s say lambie comes on with 30mins to go against scotland, and he misses a kick or two, and we eventually end up losing to scotland (i think losing to scotland is alot more likely than most of us would like to admit…). if lambie then never get another chance because of that, would that be fair?

    and after all the calls, all year long, to play a specialist fetcher, the tides do seem to turn VERY quickly.

    as for daniel, i feel for him. he played really well in the CC, and deserve to get some game time somewhere.

    but remember that snor is still fighting for his job. if we lose against scotland and england, he might still get evicted. he is not going to change his whole game plan just like that. and unfortunately the way the boks play, probably doesn’t suit daniel’s play. and the weather conditions over there is also not the best suited to his type of game. daniel would be a great choice for a fast paced game against the aussies.

    if stegmann hasn’t proved himself on this tour, fine. send him back to the bulls, and don’t pick him again. but his chance is now, give him that.

    as for me, once the bok team is on the field, i support them and hope the pulverize their opposition. i might be picking up the wrong vibe, but it seems to me like some fans would like certain players to fail.

  • Comment 96, posted at 17.11.10 15:27:39 by bloubulblog Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 93) : I believe we’re tossing him

  • Comment 97, posted at 17.11.10 15:28:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @bloubulblog (Comment 96) : No one wants them to fail, they just do. :mrgreen: Just a little joke.

  • Comment 98, posted at 17.11.10 15:31:15 by Letgo Reply
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  • @bloubulblog (Comment 95) : Vic dropped Spies cos he doesn’t want him to be tested for dwelmmiddels… come on, get into the conspiracy theory vibe properly if you’re gonna do it at all :)

  • Comment 99, posted at 17.11.10 15:31:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 98) : Your brave saying that to a BB supporter :shock:

  • Comment 100, posted at 17.11.10 15:34:18 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @bloubulblog (Comment 96) : And also, more seriously, I believe the call for a fetcher has been dwindling as the new game plan that suites the new adjusted rules has become more apparent. At one point a fetcher type player, especially if he was half decent, like Brussouw, was more valuable, but the roles of players and positions in teams change all the time.

    But maybe more importantly the call for a fetcher was made when that fetcher was the form player in South Africa. When the fetcher is not the form player, then maybe we should read something into that, maybe that could mean that, that type of game aren’t as effective in rugby right now.

  • Comment 101, posted at 17.11.10 15:35:51 by Letgo Reply
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  • @chaz (Comment 93) : he cant make the team of bad boks purely caused he kicked us to victory in rustenburg over the kiwis…also scored 171 pts for the boks!!!

  • Comment 102, posted at 17.11.10 15:38:09 by Barrel Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 98) : The way Spies looks he will be the first one I`d test if I got to choose.

    Maybe they should just go ahead and test him anyway! :twisted:

  • Comment 103, posted at 17.11.10 15:39:01 by Original Champion Reply
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  • Sheesh, I turn my back for one second…

  • Comment 104, posted at 17.11.10 15:48:48 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 103) : Naughty naughty….. :lol:

  • Comment 105, posted at 17.11.10 15:50:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 104) :

    Lol. Me thinks some peeps are just a little too precious.

    Anyhoo, sorry for starting soemthing – wasnt my intention.

  • Comment 106, posted at 17.11.10 15:51:22 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @baw (Comment 13) : It is really sad but I have to agree with you. :sad:

  • Comment 107, posted at 17.11.10 15:52:26 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 105) : I was on holiday for 10 days and since Monday there seems to be a lot of very tense people on the site and that includes the Boss and some of the Platimun star okes as well….I wonder what’s cutting? :grin:

  • Comment 108, posted at 17.11.10 15:54:50 by Pokkel Reply
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  • One of the most popular steroids out there is one that they can’t detect………..Yet,maybe a decade or so.
    Not going to say the name of it because just maybe,youngsters are lurking to get an edge :|

  • Comment 109, posted at 17.11.10 16:00:00 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 107) : Looks like they’ve been spending too much time in each others company and their periods have become synchronised. :twisted:

  • Comment 110, posted at 17.11.10 16:00:46 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 109) : :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 111, posted at 17.11.10 16:02:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 100) : Who needs a fetcher when we have Bismarck making far more turnovers than the flanks picked for the job? Morné has also posted an analysis showing that specialist fetchers don’t steal more ball than any other players.

    I would rather pick ball-player flanks like Keegan any day.

  • Comment 112, posted at 17.11.10 16:05:02 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 109) : :lol:

  • Comment 113, posted at 17.11.10 16:05:33 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Platinum star okes .. Isn’t there a useless soccer team called platinum stars ;-) lol

  • Comment 114, posted at 17.11.10 16:09:47 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 99) : one who’s a long way away!

  • Comment 115, posted at 17.11.10 16:12:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • Now I’ve mentioned useless soccer teams I guess it just right for me to also mention england ..

  • Comment 116, posted at 17.11.10 16:14:06 by bergshark Reply

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  • Who is the most skillful player in sa ?

  • Comment 117, posted at 17.11.10 16:16:53 by bergshark Reply

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  • Would tight forwards get extra points for position specific skills?

  • Comment 118, posted at 17.11.10 16:19:55 by bergshark Reply

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  • Its obvious thst not only does Victor coach the team but he also selects it.

  • Comment 119, posted at 17.11.10 16:23:00 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 111) :

    Thats true. But then their job is not only to steal ball but also to slow it down.
    When its done perfectly its a huge advantage.
    The only way Aus forwards are competitive is because of Pocock. A magnificent player! Wish he’d come to SA instead of settlign in Aus.

  • Comment 120, posted at 17.11.10 16:26:20 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 116) :

    Gio Aplon. Smoothest runer I’ve ever seen with a tackling technique that is second to none.

  • Comment 121, posted at 17.11.10 16:28:00 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Perhaps a bit harsh on vic..

  • Comment 122, posted at 17.11.10 16:29:09 by bergshark Reply

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  • The problem is the so-called coaching team..

  • Comment 123, posted at 17.11.10 16:31:05 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 122) :

    Well, does that, or does that not, include Vic and Johnny Smit?
    The reaosn I ask si that when the Boks were winning it was suddenly Smit and co running the side, when they were losign it was that damned de Villiers.

    Now they’ve two on the trot and again suddenly Big Vic is coaching and selecting the side.

    If we lose against England it’ll again be de Villiers’ fault.

  • Comment 124, posted at 17.11.10 16:33:24 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 120) : In the world recently I have to say Jason Robinson.

  • Comment 125, posted at 17.11.10 16:33:44 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 124) :

    I liked Robinson. A completely professional player who was quick and could slide through defences. Unlucky he was born English.

    But the question was “in SA”.

  • Comment 126, posted at 17.11.10 16:35:16 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 116) : Fourie du Preez, no doubt.

  • Comment 127, posted at 17.11.10 16:35:46 by molly Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 123) : spot on!

  • Comment 128, posted at 17.11.10 16:38:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 123) :
    Aw shucks, I forgot to show that my tongue was firmly in my cheek.

  • Comment 129, posted at 17.11.10 16:41:58 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Unless I see vic and john running the practice sessions and do the overall gameplan for the match(and therefore team selections to implement gameplan),credit for winning and questions over losing belongs to the coaching team(and selectors)..I know they say vic does a lot of work studying line-outs,but that is to his credit (and also ,he knows his longevity depends on his line-out play)but that doesn’t mean he and john runs the show..think. It has simething to do with coach allowing senior players to have an open channel with him re:team strategy.at the end of the day,though ,the decision on what,where,who and why rests with the senior coach(and subsequent credit or not)..right?

  • Comment 130, posted at 17.11.10 16:47:15 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 124) : well, in the running department i would go for Digby Ioene, in die passing department – Quade Cooper. the package, well, there is only one – Dan Carter! :cool:

    in SA – John Smit – he can throw in at line outs, scrum at tighthead, be a captain, catch a ball running with his fingers and grubber a kick from flyhalf for Victor matfield to score. the complete package ;-)

  • Comment 131, posted at 17.11.10 16:47:34 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 128) :

    :)

  • Comment 132, posted at 17.11.10 16:53:22 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Lol @vanwilder

  • Comment 133, posted at 17.11.10 16:54:15 by bergshark Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 119) : It’s the job of whoever is at the breakdown first to slow the ball down or steal it if they can.

    If the tackler can’t it should be whoever arrives next, irrespective of their position. Andries Strauss and Doppies la Grange are prime examples of this kind of thing.

    But let’s say for arguments’ sake we need a fetcher – I would have Flouw there long before Stegmann.

  • Comment 134, posted at 17.11.10 16:57:15 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 133) :

    I agree completely with that assessment and I cannot stand Stegmana dn would much rather have Flo there.

    That said to get to the breakdown first you need to be quick and that is why I favour a specialist opensider.

    My point was simply that stats such as those counting the number of turnovers effected during a game mean little to me because you cant measure the effect of slowing down the ball, even if you dont end up stealing it.

    The Boks are doign much better with Bismarck there as he plays to the ball and we’re getting away with not have a specialist fetcher.
    When we’re playing Smit, however, I dont think its a luxury we can afford and I think thats why we took shots during the 3N.

  • Comment 135, posted at 17.11.10 17:10:48 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan: just saw leopards squad for 2011 and there is no walter venter.. Any idea where he is going?does he have a contract at another team yet?

  • Comment 136, posted at 17.11.10 17:16:34 by bergshark Reply

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  • I would love to see the loose forward combination of 6. Keegan Daniel, 7. Juan Smith and 8. Willem Alberts in action!

  • Comment 137, posted at 17.11.10 22:29:20 by Rooiwillie Reply

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  • Vs england,rooiwillie !!

  • Comment 138, posted at 17.11.10 22:37:54 by bergshark Reply

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  • You new rooiwillie?

  • Comment 139, posted at 17.11.10 22:39:44 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 138) : I have been following the site for a few years but only registered this week.

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