Who’s to blame for Dope Show?

Written by (molly)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 17 Nov 2010 at 13:31
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Following the mostly emotional responses to the positive testing of Basson and Ralepelle, I read an interesting interview with Basson on his arrival back in South Africa.

I’ll keep this article short and give you the quotes. With thanks to The Mercury’s sister paper, the Diamond Fields Advertiser and Cape Times for the interview.

“I feel that the whole thing has been completely blown out of proportion,”
“I did have flu while I was on tour, but I do not think it was the medication that caused me to fail the test. At this stage, I believe it was one of the nutritional supplements that were given to us.”
“I did not take any sort of supplements before joining the Springbok squad and the only ones that I have been using were given to me along with all the other players in the team,” Basson said. “I do not know if everybody would have tested positive, but I think that Chiliboy and I might have been a bit unfortunate.”

This just asks the questions of who is providing the supplements, how much research is done into them, we’ve all seen the articles going around of how the market in SA is not regulated at all, but that is no excuse. We can also thank the lucky stars that none of the integral Springboks were tested, as they would now be at home and questioning their futures. Imagine if Victor Matfield, Juan Smith or Bismark Du Plessis had been tested? This is of course presuming it is the supplement with the banned substance in it, and that the same supplement was supplied to and taken by everyone in the squad.

I’ve also read in one of Tim Noakes’ articles that methylhexaneamine only stays in your system for 24 – 36 hours, so it seems we don’t need to worry about anyone else testing positive, especially since management has banned all supplements for quite a while.

Its interesting to get Basson’s perspective, and I look forward to seeing how SARU deals with this, and I hope they deal with it very quickly and look out for the players rather than themselves.


  • FIRE THE COACH! what?oh!

  • Comment 1, posted at 17.11.10 13:41:34 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Shame – u should see the photo of Basson, he looks LOST!

  • Comment 2, posted at 17.11.10 13:42:40 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • look i hope neither get lengthy sentences, eventhough they are bulls players. but it is a good reminder to all players to be mindful of what they take. and a kick up the boks mangers butt.

  • Comment 3, posted at 17.11.10 13:45:19 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 3) : but, wouldn’t you trust the stuff from management?

  • Comment 4, posted at 17.11.10 13:52:03 by molly Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 2) : that tat of his is shocking, but!

  • Comment 5, posted at 17.11.10 13:52:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • Whoever makes the drinks and put the scoops or tabs in it should be the blame,because all of the supplements that have the product in it says clearly that you may test positive.
    Its easy really,read the label…

  • Comment 6, posted at 17.11.10 13:57:00 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 4) : we all know boks management has always been a joke. but you would think they would have checked before handing out. what does sound odd though is it sounds like they weren’t the only players tested in the squad. but they are the only ones that failed.

  • Comment 7, posted at 17.11.10 14:01:32 by try time Reply

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  • This is really bad news

    really so who is to blame :?:

    does the medication that is given to the players nt hv to go through the DOC 1st, and now i heard that all the players are going to be tested :???:

    why was the 2 only tested and nt all of them at once before going on tour :sad:

    Allthat i know its a very bad Name that the Boks hv to carry with them until the end of time

  • Comment 8, posted at 17.11.10 14:10:39 by chaz Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 3) : they maybe BULL players but they are BOKS also so who is to blame :?:

  • Comment 9, posted at 17.11.10 14:12:04 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 9) : i don’t care who is to blame. it doesn’t effect me. hopefully though it doesn’t happen again. chilli and bass have to find out who is to blame as they are the ones that have their salary on the line. my gut feel is they will get a small sentence to let other players know that they have to be careful. remember sa sentences them not irb.

  • Comment 10, posted at 17.11.10 14:23:51 by try time Reply

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  • “… and the only ones that I have been using were given to me along with all the other players in the team.”

    How about taking one for the team dude! :shock: Geez, I know he’s hurting, but maybe he should think about how what he says could reflect on the entire team.

    Having said that, I get why he would want to defend himself. People (and by people I mean me :| ) has overreacted a bit. I still think he should take responsibility, as a responsible athlete, it’s not good enough just to say “I didn’t know”. This one does seem like a pretty unlucky situation. Especially since no one knows how the banned substance got into their bodies.

    Maybe it really was a set up. :smile:

  • Comment 11, posted at 17.11.10 14:44:55 by Letgo Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 7) : I was under the impression that they just tested a random 2 players out of the 22. I’m not 100% sure tho.

  • Comment 12, posted at 17.11.10 14:55:25 by molly Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 11) :

    Say what! Take one for team. Just how should he do this?

  • Comment 13, posted at 17.11.10 14:57:22 by Bump Reply

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  • Not a bad song. :smile:

  • Comment 14, posted at 17.11.10 14:59:41 by McLovin Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 12) : that is what i can’t get why only 2 players and nt the whole team :smile:

  • Comment 15, posted at 17.11.10 15:01:18 by chaz Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 11) : If anyone should take one for the team it should be the team doctor. You know how this career is a short one, you want him and chiliboy to ruin their reputations, possibly cut 2 years out of their careers for someone elses mistake? I think you’re asking for a bit much, would you sacrifice everything for your job?

  • Comment 16, posted at 17.11.10 15:01:26 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 16) : this all gets taken into account during the hearing. i am not sure how the process works. but there is a lot more to worry about. this will sort itself out in the wash. no need to get to excited about it.

  • Comment 17, posted at 17.11.10 15:13:49 by try time Reply

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  • I don’t understand what Basson said that was wrong in the interview. He simply said what had happened.

    Much ado about nothing. :roll:

  • Comment 18, posted at 17.11.10 15:15:32 by McLovin Reply

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  • Wouldn’t it be nice if Basson agreed to do polygraph test and his results made public. It seems strange that all the tested Boks used the same supplement and he is was only 1 of 2 that tested +ve.
    Didn’t 8 Boks get tested?
    Although it’s impossible to determine at this stage, I hope the punishment fits the crime. So if he is innocent of wrongdoing, I hope he gets off without any kind of suspension.
    It seems that a stimulant doesn’t have anywhere near the performance enhancing power of a steroid.

  • Comment 19, posted at 17.11.10 15:21:22 by beet Reply
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  • I didn’t say he should take the blame, but indirectly he said “the whole team could have tested positive”. That’s the part I don’t like. He could have just said. I didn’t take anything with banned substances to my knowledge. And only took supplements as provide by my team doctor. We don’t know how this happened yet, but I can assure everyone that it is not something I took intentionally. We hope to get to the bottom of this and clear things up as soon as possible.

    His response was a little emotional and immature. There was no need to bring the whole team into this. It is already known that it may have been something given to the whole team. And Is till think for him to mention this was not the best thing he could do.

    I understand though, he must be going through a hard time and would not have thought it through as much as I did.

  • Comment 20, posted at 17.11.10 15:23:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 19) : Polygraphs can be ‘beaten’. :twisted:

  • Comment 21, posted at 17.11.10 15:26:25 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 20) : He didn’t say anything new. Nothing he said wasn’t already known.

    He certainly didn’t ‘bring the whole team into this’. :roll:

    The whole team was ‘brought in’ by the response from the Bok management in their statements made during the time following the results of the test results.

  • Comment 22, posted at 17.11.10 15:30:57 by McLovin Reply

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  • SARU have set the standard here by only giving Goosen 3 months ban. Going to be hard to dish out more to Bjorn and Chilli.

  • Comment 23, posted at 17.11.10 15:33:42 by Sportbilly Reply

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  • This is an easy one. Bulls Medical Staff are to blame of course.
    I suggest all the bulls should be tested immediately.

    Heck maybe they can take that coveted super 14 trophy away from them. Seems they all had an unfair advantage hehehe :twisted:

  • Comment 24, posted at 17.11.10 15:41:56 by Original Champion Reply
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  • Considering the Boks did not find out about this until after the Wales match, why would you think this is the end. Surely the team has been using the same supplements until they heard of the problem. Therefore, we should expect the two players tested after the Wales match to test positive as well. The results will not be released until after the Scotland match. This still has the potential of blowing up huge.

  • Comment 25, posted at 17.11.10 15:46:17 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 25) : Don’t think anyone was tested after the Wales game.

  • Comment 26, posted at 17.11.10 15:47:15 by McLovin Reply

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  • The fact that the Bok management haven’t found the source yet is a bit concerning. I mean how many items did they need to check? It’s been 2 days now and still nothing….something smells really fishy!!

  • Comment 27, posted at 17.11.10 15:47:19 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 26) : Why would you think that? Aren’t two players selected at random from each team in each test?

  • Comment 28, posted at 17.11.10 15:51:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 28) : I read the articles where I think PDivvy said that no Bok player was tested after Wales test.

  • Comment 29, posted at 17.11.10 15:55:11 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 28) : Read it somewhere, can’t remember where though. :|

  • Comment 30, posted at 17.11.10 15:55:12 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 27) : This tests may take long. Consider that the results of tests after Irish game were released a week later.

  • Comment 31, posted at 17.11.10 15:57:29 by rekinek Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 30) : First thing I thought of when I heard of Habana’s injury is that he was one of the players tested after the Wales test. :sad: :shock:

  • Comment 32, posted at 17.11.10 16:02:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • are they allowed to have pepsi or creme soda ?

  • Comment 33, posted at 17.11.10 16:03:23 by prgdad Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 32) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 17.11.10 16:03:45 by McLovin Reply

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  • go to bodybuilding .com use the search tool for the supliments forum and it will have multiple threads in it with the drug …problem solved

  • Comment 35, posted at 17.11.10 16:41:08 by baw Reply

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  • No Supplements at all!!! That sucks…now they have to go full out on the food they get served in Scotland. Hope they chow lots of beef… Most protein shakes don’t have any caffiene type stuff in them, so are they not even allowed to take protein shakes?

  • Comment 36, posted at 17.11.10 16:43:04 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 36) : im sure they will be able to

  • Comment 37, posted at 17.11.10 16:45:18 by baw Reply

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  • Hope the stuff gets tested and proved safe…cause these okes need their creos and Protein shakes i know i do. Such a hassle to chow hundreds of eggs….

  • Comment 38, posted at 17.11.10 16:45:43 by JJR Reply
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  • I am happy Adi is on the bench!!!!Actually kinda glad that Habana got injured…sorry Bryan

  • Comment 39, posted at 17.11.10 16:48:36 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 38) : im sure management take good care of them when it comes to meals and so on ,read somewhere that room service is specifically tailored to meet there nutritionlal requirements

  • Comment 40, posted at 17.11.10 16:51:10 by baw Reply

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  • @baw (Comment 40) : Glad to hear that…cause i know it takes specific nutrition to keep these guys or better their current physical state and i know supplements can assist. At least they did not have as many fields sessions this week, which can help their bodies from needing any extra supplementation. Only Gym session on Monday which is great…field sessions should only be to work on moves, defensive patterns, etc. Gym is important now at the end of the season, so their bodies don’t degrade, but at least maintain.

  • Comment 41, posted at 17.11.10 17:00:07 by JJR Reply
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  • At least the contracted Boks had that month of Conditioning…

  • Comment 42, posted at 17.11.10 17:01:46 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 41) : yeah but this should all be second thought ,it should be easy to see what they take what they eat…and more focus should be placed on the 80 min out on that field. This only serves to distract the team effort and should never have happend! Still feel bad for the players becuase I the supliment they took is what i think it is ,and im pretty sure becuase it may be exactly what the grey bloem fly got banned for, i feel it is so so almost unfair to them -laws are laws tho

  • Comment 43, posted at 17.11.10 17:08:10 by baw Reply

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  • Didn’t they tell basson to not speak to the media??

  • Comment 44, posted at 17.11.10 17:10:15 by bergshark Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 7) : After EVERY international match TWO players only from each team are tested. I have experience of this at both 15s and 7s level.

    It will be interesting to see if the next two tested players are also positive?

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.11.10 05:13:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 10) : It was a test match, the IRB sentences them not SARU.

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.11.10 05:16:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 26) : any and every international match has 2 players tested. We even tested players after Hong Kong v Arabian Gulf (asian 6 nations) If the IRB sanctions a match then tests are done.

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.11.10 05:27:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 47) :

    I’m hoping for Matfield and Juan Smith to be randomly selected !

    … I bet it is someone pants like Kirchner and Stegmann… ;-)

  • Comment 48, posted at 19.11.10 06:24:49 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 47) : So if the players did ingest the substance from a team supplied supplement/energy drink, then there is a distinct possibility the two players tested after the Wales test would also test positive. I am very worried for the Boks at this point.

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.11.10 07:07:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 49) :

    Provided Basson is telling thr truth of course. Very few players who test positive for doping admit to doing it intentionally.

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.11.10 10:45:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 48) :

    Actually it is usually the team manager who selects which players get tested……… (he doesn’t know WHO he picks though)

    this is how it works. (unless there is a targeted player then he is just asked to provide a sample)

    Each team manager meets with the Doping Control officer or IRB Anti-Doping manager a day or so before the match. There are then a number of cards placed before him corresponding to the number in the squad. 12 cards for 7s and 22 cards for 15s.

    On the one side of the card is a place for the manager’s and control officer’s signatures and the date, on the other is a number from 1 to 12 or to 22.

    Once everybody is happy that #8 doesn’t appear on ALL the cards, they are placed signature side up (number side down) and the manager selects 2 cards and signs and dates them, the control officer then signs as well. A 3rd card is then picked as an alternate in case of a SERIOUS injury preventing a player from giving a sample.

    The Number of the selected player is usually made known to the Player chaperone after the start of the match. The chaperone then has to monitor his player.

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.11.10 10:54:14 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 50) :

    For what its worth his ex-coach Dawie Theron has also backed him!

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.11.10 10:56:28 by wpw Reply
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  • Its interesting that he dismiises the source as being the medication but fingers the supplements that all the team took.

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.11.10 10:59:16 by Salmonoid Reply
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