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Lions want Beast “on principle”


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content, Sharks on 4 Jan 2011 at 11:18
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While there has been little actual news on the developing Beast Mtawarira saga over the festive season, we did pick up one interesting quote over the last couple of days.

Journalist Brenden Nel, writing on Twitter, intimates that the Lions are preparing to go to court to get Beast out of his contract – and that they will do so “as a matter of principle” to get back at the Sharks for the way in which Louis Ludik and Willem Alberts were “poached” by the Sharks last year, despite being under contract to the Lions. The judge in that case, of course, found in favour of the players and the Sharks, ridiculing the Lions’ supposed contracts and resulting in much egg-on-face for Union CEO Manie Reynecke amongst others.

The boot would appear to be on the other foot now, though, with billionaire backer Robert Gumede prepared to throw all his weight behind the Lions’ attempts to secure the Beast. While various rumours are doing the rounds regarding the supposed loopholes or irregularities in Beast’s new Sharks contracts, the reality is, nobody really knows exactly how binding said contract is. That will now need to be decided in a court of law. The bad news, from a Sharks perspective, is that it would seem that Beast is convinced that he wants to join the Lions, rather than play for the Sharks.

Given the precedent set recently by Lionel Mapoe and others, it is pretty futile trying to force a guy to play for a team when his heart is elsewhere. If Beast truly does want to turn his back on the Sharks, then he should be allowed to leave. Rather give the jersey to somebody who is prepared to bleed for it. That’s not to say that the Sharks shouldn’t contest the contract in court, of course. The existence of a binding contract provides the legal grounds to refuse a transfer certificate – this is known as the “Harold Verster gambit” and it can be used quite successfully to extricate exorbitant transfer fees. Should the contract not be binding, then someone’s head must surely be on the chopping block.

More on this as it develops.



209 Comments

  • I always thought the Beast to be an honest man of principles… perhaps I was wrong.

    The difference between what the Sharks did and what the Lions are doing is that the players were unhappy in Joburg, they didn’t come to Durban for more money. They probably would have left the Lions for less money they were that eager to get away. It seems the Lions are throwing so much cash at the Beast he is blinded by everything else.

  • Comment 1, posted at 04.01.11 11:22:53 by lostfish Reply
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  • If beast wants to leave, let him leave. It doesn’t help the player or the squad if a certain person does not want to be there.

    They should release him from his contract, but with one stipulation: if you walk out on us, do not expect that we will welcome you back to the Tank when everything goes to crap at the lions. Which it will.

  • Comment 2, posted at 04.01.11 11:28:04 by PTAShark Reply
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  • that is true like you say if he doesn’t want to play for the sharks let him go but then in the 1st place he did and signed so what happened in between marrige and money problems i guess and then to top it up the snoils are still :evil: and :twisted:
    to try and get us back for what we did unto them but those contracts was nearlly over wasn’t it and Beast just signed a 3 year

  • Comment 3, posted at 04.01.11 11:29:08 by chaz Reply

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  • @PTAShark (Comment 2) : now that is just how i feel about it you can’t bring a donkie to pit and make him drink so let him go if he doesn’t want to be with the supporters and the team then i don’t want him either :???: sorry but thats how i feel about it

  • Comment 4, posted at 04.01.11 11:31:25 by chaz Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 1) : morning how is the baby doing getting big and pretty like her mom i guess :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 04.01.11 11:32:40 by chaz Reply

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  • This reminds me of a playground squabble by a bunch of three year olds. And I’m not saying the Sharks are innocent either.

  • Comment 6, posted at 04.01.11 11:34:39 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 6) : what did we do this is doing from the Snoils side only

  • Comment 7, posted at 04.01.11 11:36:32 by chaz Reply

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  • @lostfish(Comment 1) : I agree, the situations are completely different. Big Vic had a clause in his contract which allowed him to negotiate with another union at that time, not sure what was the problem with ludik’s contract but if what I have heard the Lions did to him, I am not in the least surprised that he left.

  • Comment 8, posted at 04.01.11 11:37:31 by war1 Reply
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  • @chaz (Comment 7) : Apparently we included Mapoe in our provisional Super rugby squad. :roll:

  • Comment 9, posted at 04.01.11 11:38:48 by war1 Reply
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  • @chaz (Comment 5) : she is doing fine thanks, she pretty much just eats, sleeps and poops at the moment.

  • Comment 10, posted at 04.01.11 11:39:23 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 10) : thats baby’s my friend just wait till she sit beside mom and start to comment with you :mrgreen:

  • Comment 11, posted at 04.01.11 11:41:08 by chaz Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 9) : really?

    That’s just stupid.

  • Comment 12, posted at 04.01.11 11:41:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 9) : oh that one and then the snoils still went and took him after we spent so much money on him to keep him and then in the old end of the day he goes to the snoils which on my behalf is bad from the cheets and snoils and then from the player himself

  • Comment 13, posted at 04.01.11 11:43:09 by chaz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : agree this one was planned from the begining from the snoils and cheets side

  • Comment 14, posted at 04.01.11 11:43:58 by chaz Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 6) : it’s a bit like tit for tat.

  • Comment 15, posted at 04.01.11 11:44:01 by lostfish Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 8) : are you allowed to share what happened to Ludik?

  • Comment 16, posted at 04.01.11 11:44:39 by lostfish Reply
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  • If the Beast prefers to play with the Lions let him go. IMO that would be the best way of showing the Lions how the things are done.

    Then the Sharks could turn around and say that there is enough players who want to play for us so we do not need to force them. How’s this for a “moral highground”.

    Beast probably thinking that with JDuP and Smit he may end up on the bench.

  • Comment 17, posted at 04.01.11 11:45:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 9) : :roll: :roll:

  • Comment 18, posted at 04.01.11 11:46:17 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : isn’t he injured in any case.

    Considering the multiplicity of “valid” contracts he can make 3 Supoer 15 squads :lol:

  • Comment 19, posted at 04.01.11 11:48:33 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 17) : yep i think its time to turn around and leave him where he wants to go and let our younger one’s to come through :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 04.01.11 11:48:33 by chaz Reply

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  • I have never been a fan of the way the Sharks “acquired” some players. But seeing as we find ourselves in the same spot the Lions and Cheetahs has been in recent times. It might be a good idea to approach the situation the same way they do. We just go to court and drag this thing out as long a possible. Let Beast and the Lions wait as long as possible, even if it means he misses out on the entire S15 and even that rather large tournament at the end of the year.

    But then again, this will be childish and we should rather let him go after a transfer of about R5 mil has been paid accross.

  • Comment 21, posted at 04.01.11 11:50:04 by Farlington Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 17) : Beast is a loosehead and the good doctor is a tighthead. So there is no competition for him there.

    Beast has the inside lane to the starting position.

  • Comment 22, posted at 04.01.11 11:50:58 by lostfish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : exactly my point

  • Comment 23, posted at 04.01.11 11:51:00 by war1 Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 21) : now you are talking make them pay in a big way and then use that 5 G for some else who live and bleeds for the Sharks :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 04.01.11 11:51:54 by chaz Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 21) : plus legal expenses – is it worth spending on the player who made up his mind. Rather develop Beast 2 who will be even hungrier.

  • Comment 25, posted at 04.01.11 11:52:28 by rekinek Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 22) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 26, posted at 04.01.11 11:52:57 by chaz Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 22) : according rumour smit has the inside lane to the loosehead starting position.

  • Comment 27, posted at 04.01.11 11:54:08 by war1 Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 22) : but there is a competition between the doctor and the captain and it seems that the accomodating these 2 is more important than accomodating beast. You remember how much loosehead John played last year.

  • Comment 28, posted at 04.01.11 11:54:31 by rekinek Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 27) : oh, I didn’t realise that. Is he going to be considered as a loosehead for the the Boks as well. I just don’t see how he could warrant starting ahead of most of the looseheads in the country. Hooker is his best position.

  • Comment 29, posted at 04.01.11 11:58:03 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 29) : Well if we do lose Beast and that looks inevitable right now, Smit could make a contribution for us at 1. I`d rather have him in the team at loose head than hooker. Bismarck was in good shape last year, we need to start him!

    Are we getting thin on front rankers ? Just lost Carstens, Beast and Cilliers . . .
    Van Staden is still there but one recognised loosehead will never be enough to win a super rugby tournament.

  • Comment 30, posted at 04.01.11 12:23:39 by Original Champion Reply
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  • Fuck ‘em

  • Comment 31, posted at 04.01.11 12:31:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 31) : sigh…my sentiments too…

  • Comment 32, posted at 04.01.11 12:37:57 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 31) : :shock:

    now i’ve heard everythink my friend rather u than me but i think everyone feels just like u at the moment but u got guts :mrgreen:

    have you left for home yet or are you still in SA

  • Comment 33, posted at 04.01.11 12:39:29 by chaz Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 32) : :mrgreen:

    oh my i don’t think we should become like them at all it makes them glot with smiles lets jsut let in be

  • Comment 34, posted at 04.01.11 12:39:47 by chaz Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 31) : Now now…this is a family site :grin: ;-) I hate all the politics in rugby…I just want rugby without all the kak!

  • Comment 35, posted at 04.01.11 12:40:43 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 35) : :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 36, posted at 04.01.11 12:43:58 by chaz Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 35) : but i also feel the same way they are throwing stones at the sharks my friend what must we as supporters do or say

  • Comment 37, posted at 04.01.11 12:44:56 by chaz Reply

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  • “Journalist Brenden Nel, writing on Twitter, intimates that the Lions are preparing to go to court to get Beast out of his contract – and that they will do so “as a matter of principle” to get back at the Sharks for the way in which Louis Ludik and Willem Alberts were “poached” by the Sharks last year, despite being under contract to the Lions”

    This should say it all to the Beast. You are nothing more then a pawn for the Lions in a game of chess.

  • Comment 38, posted at 04.01.11 12:46:21 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 38) : my thought also but wonder if he’ll listen to us he going for the bucks :smile:

  • Comment 39, posted at 04.01.11 12:48:22 by chaz Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 38) : That is a damn expensive pawn

  • Comment 40, posted at 04.01.11 12:49:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I would miss Beast at the Sharks, but if a player no longer wants to play for a franchise then it is always best to let him go. Don’t think it is Beast being unhappy at the Sharks, rather the big money offer that he can’t refuse from the Lions that is making him want to leave. Think there will be plenty more players from other unions that Lions will target. From what I have read and heard they are wanting Bekker, Vermeulen, De Jongh and Frans Steyn.

  • Comment 41, posted at 04.01.11 12:54:03 by Puma Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 40) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 04.01.11 12:54:42 by chaz Reply

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  • If it does go to court, how long will it take? Remember the battle we had with trying to get Mapoe? If it takes that long Beast could find himself out of the Tri-Nations and WC. Cause while a court case is going on don’t think he will be playing for Sharks or Lions. No play no selection, I think. Wonder if he has tought about that? This could cost Beast more than in the long run if it is not settled quick.

  • Comment 43, posted at 04.01.11 12:57:58 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 43) : tought = thought :oops:

  • Comment 44, posted at 04.01.11 12:58:45 by Puma Reply

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  • Im reminded of the saying ‘What you sow you shall surely reap’ :roll:

  • Comment 45, posted at 04.01.11 12:59:14 by wpw Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 41) : I don’t think money can buy a TEAM though and they could still stuggle even with all the big names.

  • Comment 46, posted at 04.01.11 13:00:48 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 45) : eish my friend

    Happy New Year

    gee ur hoilday was long

    long time no see :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 04.01.11 13:01:12 by chaz Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 46) : May the SHARKS wash the Snoils to the bottem of the log :mrgreen:

  • Comment 48, posted at 04.01.11 13:02:07 by chaz Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 45) : Hello ou maat. Hoe gaan dit!

  • Comment 49, posted at 04.01.11 13:02:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 45) : WEASEL!

  • Comment 50, posted at 04.01.11 13:09:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 46) : Well it should never, but they are getting some big names, even if they have not played yet together, after 5 or 6 games together and winning a few, which they will, Lions will be a team. I think they gonna be beating many top teams this S15 if they get all those players, even if they don’t with the gameplan and players they got now they still gonna beat plenty this S15.

    This is the professional era and this will happen more and more with unions that have the most money. Sad but that is what will happen.

  • Comment 51, posted at 04.01.11 13:09:53 by Puma Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 49) : @chaz (Comment 47) :

    Hello julle!!

    Dit gaan goed jong. Net nie lus vir by die werk wees nie!! :???: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 52, posted at 04.01.11 13:09:59 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 52) : ja nee :smile: so sê hulle die vakansie by die see was te lekker en nou is dit terug werk toe :mrgreen:

  • Comment 53, posted at 04.01.11 13:11:24 by chaz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) :

    Hey Rob,

    Happy New year to you my friend (and everyone else of course)

    I’ve been using an old crappy cell phone for weeks now… my BB is in for repairs!! :cry: :???:

  • Comment 54, posted at 04.01.11 13:12:19 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 45) : Very true indeed. WP should be careful, I seem to remember a little court battle between them and the Lions not too long ago. :lol: One could almost say that WP showed the Sharks the way to “acquire” Ludik and Alberts after said court battle. Mmmm could be costly! :lol:

  • Comment 55, posted at 04.01.11 13:13:53 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 51) : well then we better start looking for a million air to help us out just think what we can do to get well known Rugby players

    any offers :mrgreen:

  • Comment 56, posted at 04.01.11 13:13:56 by chaz Reply

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  • getting ready to award loyalty points for 2010 :)

  • Comment 57, posted at 04.01.11 13:14:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 38) : With any luck this will piss Pat Cilliers off as well.

    Good on the Lions for building such great unity in the team. :twisted:

  • Comment 58, posted at 04.01.11 13:15:08 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) : Hey, I’m your friend. :razz:

  • Comment 59, posted at 04.01.11 13:16:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) : i hope its for us for all the hard work put in for SW :mrgreen:

  • Comment 60, posted at 04.01.11 13:17:17 by chaz Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 58) : yes builing with our sharks :evil:

  • Comment 61, posted at 04.01.11 13:18:02 by chaz Reply

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  • I am completely amazed that the Bulls only JUST make it into the top 3 of my most disliked teams. :shock: :shock:

  • Comment 62, posted at 04.01.11 13:18:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 58) : Yip, It sure will. Looks like Cilliers will still be waiting his turn, just at another union.

    @chaz (Comment 56) : Probably unions gonna need one ;-)

  • Comment 63, posted at 04.01.11 13:19:18 by Puma Reply

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  • Now I am really confused just before Christmass an article by John Bishop was in the Witness quoting both Straeuli and Van zyl saying that Beast had met them on the same day of his return from honeymoon, and that he wanted to stay at Sharks that there were two small. Matters that Beast wanted changed on his contract and The Sharks were happy to oblige him! The Beast has always been one of my favorits but should he ever come to the tank in any other jersey than the bllack and white I will never cry BEeeeeast again :(

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 62) : Go on then give us your top 3

  • Comment 65, posted at 04.01.11 13:20:19 by Farlington Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 62) : well my most disliked team is SNOILS on the very top and then the Bulls

  • Comment 66, posted at 04.01.11 13:21:06 by chaz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) :

    Thanks Rob.

    You’re a STAR!! :twisted:

  • Comment 67, posted at 04.01.11 13:21:50 by wpw Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 64) : :mrgreen: you are spot on

  • Comment 68, posted at 04.01.11 13:22:02 by chaz Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 55) :

    I was happy with that signing but not with the way we went about it.

    If it means the Lions poach someone like JD Moller or Dewald Duvenage then so be it!! :mrgreen: ;-)

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  • @Farlington (Comment 65) :

    Okay, but I thought it would be obvious. ;-)

    1) Lions
    2) Verster Cheetahs
    3) Bulls (only because there has to be 3)

  • Comment 70, posted at 04.01.11 13:24:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 62) : I’m with you there… in fact, compared to my loathing for the Lions and Cheetahs, I’m actually a true blue Bulls fan!

  • Comment 71, posted at 04.01.11 13:30:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 70) : If I look at your top three, is it really a harted for the team or something else. With the Lions and Cheetahs it appears to be the administration rather then the actual team. As for the Bulls I tend to feel that the supporters is more of a driving force then the actual team too. The Bulls in general is a very profesional outfit and alot of teams can learn from them (including the Sharks)

    A team I truly dislike is the Waratahs, for reasons I can’t even remember.

  • Comment 72, posted at 04.01.11 13:31:21 by Farlington Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 69) : Yeah not so sure about that…but atleast you guys have your own Billionaire to step in if needed.

  • Comment 73, posted at 04.01.11 13:32:53 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 72) :
    if i look at it t this way that Captain of theres i really a dirty player altogether

  • Comment 74, posted at 04.01.11 13:33:25 by chaz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) :

    Thanks Rob u are one hell of a star my friend :mrgreen:

  • Comment 75, posted at 04.01.11 13:37:16 by chaz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : rob gd mate , wanna log into yahoo mess?? will give you some feed back

  • Comment 76, posted at 04.01.11 13:38:08 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 55) : let’s throw mujati to the mix :mrgreen:

  • Comment 77, posted at 04.01.11 13:38:20 by rekinek Reply
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  • Letting Pat Cilliers go was a huge mistake and its going to bite us in the ass. If Beast really wants to go the Lions, then to hell with him. I’m starting to dislike every young guy who puts on a Springbok jersey, just who the hell do they all think they are. :evil:

  • Comment 78, posted at 04.01.11 13:42:44 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • well according to my sources beast is staying ,

  • Comment 79, posted at 04.01.11 13:44:05 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 78) :

    eish our feelings to but Happy New Year and a good afternoon my friend :mrgreen:

  • Comment 80, posted at 04.01.11 13:44:38 by chaz Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 76) : shot dude – will do in a sec. HNY

  • Comment 81, posted at 04.01.11 13:45:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 79) : Let’s hope so… besides attempting a move like this in a RWC year of all things is not very smart.

  • Comment 82, posted at 04.01.11 13:45:48 by Farlington Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 79) : i hope you are right with this we just got hurt in a bad way :???:

  • Comment 83, posted at 04.01.11 13:46:02 by chaz Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 82) : not really. it is better for him to showcase his game than sitting on the bench behind john.

  • Comment 84, posted at 04.01.11 13:49:18 by rekinek Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 79) : Howzit Sharky, All the best for 2011.

    Really hoping your source is right.

  • Comment 85, posted at 04.01.11 13:53:52 by Puma Reply

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  • hiyas @Puma (Comment 85) : bro all the best for you and ur family too , looking forward to ur visit later in the year
    ;-)

  • Comment 86, posted at 04.01.11 13:56:14 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 84) : It might prove difficult to showcase your game during court proceedings.

  • Comment 87, posted at 04.01.11 13:58:47 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 85) : was told smitty is working hard as anything and raring to go , guess old granty will be freaking out on keo this year :lol:

  • Comment 88, posted at 04.01.11 13:59:00 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • as some are also questioning wheather beast will start @1 or Smitty?? they both will play their fair share as its a very long season and with the world cup looming they both will be rested where possible

    you will see a lot of rotation this year from the sharks , thus their larger depth etc

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  • @Farlington (Comment 87) : let’s say that my educated guess is based on “alberts precedent” and even if there is a court case (which I doubt the sharks will go for) then it will be sorted relatively quickly.

  • Comment 90, posted at 04.01.11 14:03:00 by rekinek Reply
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  • If Beast wants to go…please let him go!!! I don’t want anyone playing for The Sharks if they are not doing so with heart and soul. We should either go looking for a replacement squad player with some decent experience or try to get Chadwick to gain a few kilos…he has everything else required to be a good player to use in rotation for Superrugby. I thought Beast was a solid guy…really shows his true character. When money becomes number 1 in your life things will go wrong eventually.

  • Comment 91, posted at 04.01.11 14:05:27 by JJR Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 86) : Yes, Might come to CT in Feb. I will buy the beers..hehe. Owe you some hey!! hehe

    @sharks_lover (Comment 88) : Heard that Smit is actually looking in top shape. Really good that.

    Okay need to go out. Good to catch up Sharky.

  • Comment 92, posted at 04.01.11 14:05:50 by Puma Reply

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  • Sharks must learn from this and make sure the contracts are solid; so that we don’t get these rich bloakes sniffing around.

  • Comment 93, posted at 04.01.11 14:06:41 by JJR Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 89) : Exactly Sharky, Plenty rotation in the S15. We will need 2 almost at the same level in every position. All unions will. So if Beast stays and John rotates with him it is all good.

    Okay now have to dash, catch up later.

  • Comment 94, posted at 04.01.11 14:08:21 by Puma Reply

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  • props- 1-smit,eugene
    3-jannie,herbst

  • Comment 95, posted at 04.01.11 14:13:57 by JJR Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 90) : Well I’m not going to pretend that I know what his contract says and whether you can compare it to WA contract with the Lions at the time. Also not sure that the Sharks will drag this thing out as much as the other unions do. The only thing I do know is that should they let him go at the “beginning” of a new contract the release certificate should cost a few million.

    But for now I hope that sharks_lover sources are correct and that he will stay.

  • Comment 96, posted at 04.01.11 14:14:26 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 78) : Agree, patrick was a Sharkie from a lightie…don’t know why we let him go…not a smart move.

  • Comment 97, posted at 04.01.11 14:16:36 by JJR Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 79) : Not to make to fine a point of it but your sources also said Kockott had signed a 6 month contract with the Sharks.

    And he is now in Jhb. :razz:

  • Comment 98, posted at 04.01.11 14:35:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 97) : He probably wanted more game time and a chance of starting which he wasn’t going to get with the Beast around and Smit apparently playing 1 too.

  • Comment 99, posted at 04.01.11 14:46:58 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 72) : Phil Waugh is a good reason!!

  • Comment 100, posted at 04.01.11 14:50:36 by lostfish Reply
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  • Happy New Year Boys and Girls, not sure I am welcome on this site anymore, after reading the hatred for the Lions in the remarks above, never mind what comes around goes around!! Read that as you want, it could mean the sharks got their just deserts for behaving in some rather underhand ways in the past, or it could mean this thing will blow up in the Lions faces in the future. Only time will tell, but in the mean time lets hope the rugger is good in 2011 GO Lions!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 101, posted at 04.01.11 15:25:09 by Whindy Reply
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  • Hi Whindy, Im sure you are more than welcome around here ….unless you are the the agent that tested poor Beasts solid principles by dangling a big fat juicy carrot in front of him just days after he had committed himself to the Sharks.

    BTW what are your views on messrs Gumede and Ichkiwitz.

  • Comment 102, posted at 04.01.11 15:43:03 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 101) : You are always welcome, just don’t invite any of the Lions officials to the site, they might have strips torn off of them.
    :razz: :razz:

  • Comment 103, posted at 04.01.11 15:47:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I must say, it is with some interest that I note that Beast features quite prominently on the only-very-recently-updated homepage of sharksrugby.co.za, the official home of the Sharks on the interweb

  • Comment 104, posted at 04.01.11 15:48:43 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 96) : i also would prefer Sl to be right, but I’m not gonna be too hard on Beast if he decides to go even though it may be questionable that this is happening just after resigning with sharks. let’s apply same principle to the players that leave the sharks as we apply to those who come.

    i haven’t seen these contracts either, but haven’t seen any player loosing much of the game time due to court case – hence educated guess.

  • Comment 105, posted at 04.01.11 15:49:02 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 101) : i’m sure you’re welcome. we need to have someone to pick on :twisted: ;-) wpw’s bit scarce recently :mrgreen:

  • Comment 106, posted at 04.01.11 15:50:49 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 104) : they also had pienaar looking towards cc after he already signed with ulster :roll: :roll:

  • Comment 107, posted at 04.01.11 15:51:42 by rekinek Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 98) : joburg such a beautiful city – must have fallen in love and loose hos mind :mrgreen:

  • Comment 108, posted at 04.01.11 15:54:21 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 104) : but the players profiles are from 2010 – they still have pienaar eg. and i think we can say with certainty that he’s playing somewhere else ;-)

  • Comment 109, posted at 04.01.11 16:04:59 by rekinek Reply
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  • Well maybe Rob knows something – on this sites log in page Beast and Andries Strauss greet us good souls.

  • Comment 110, posted at 04.01.11 16:08:19 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 101) : so long as I am in charge, you will always be welcome here and I hope you know that! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 111, posted at 04.01.11 16:16:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 110) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 112, posted at 04.01.11 16:20:06 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 110) : that’s what you call bloody irony!

  • Comment 113, posted at 04.01.11 16:20:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 113) : YOU know how to pick them.

    Wasn’t Brad there before as well? Maybe that page is the kiss of death. :razz:

  • Comment 114, posted at 04.01.11 16:26:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 114) : actually the last one was Odwa and Waylon Murray :)

  • Comment 115, posted at 04.01.11 16:31:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • I was never happy with the way the Sharks signed Ludik and Big Vic, although I do support them fully as Sharks. I didn’t like the way the Sharks went after Mapoe, even though they treated him well.

    When Beast signed a three year deal with the Sharks, what was the expectation from each party? Beast would play for the Sharks for three years and get compensated with a certain amount of money. To then decide that he can get more money and negotiate another contract is simply unethical on his part. The fact he has even negotiated with the Lions after agreeing to a contract with the Sharks makes him an untrustworthy person in my opinion, same with Ludik and Big Vic. If one does not intend to honour an agreement, then don’t sign one, either go elsewhere then while out of contract, or negotiate a short contract like the Sharks were willing to do with Kockett.

    Very disappointed in all these players and franchises/unions that do not want to honour agreements. I am not talking legally here, but ethically.

  • Comment 116, posted at 04.01.11 16:37:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • We can all say what we want about Luke Watson, but he was honourable enough to be willing to play out his contract with the Sharks before taking up a contract with the Stormers.

    I have to be honest, there is not a single professional league in the US that has this problem. No players just negotiate with another team. There is a window when free agents (those whose contracts have ended) can negotiate with other teams, and in most instances, the team that had the contract before, has the right to match any offer (with some exceptions). Bottom line is players simply do not move while under contract, unless the team trades the contract with another team, which is allowed in most leagues.

  • Comment 117, posted at 04.01.11 16:43:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Players generally have no say when contracts are traded between teams, trades are usually negotiated so that both teams will benefit. Only in baseball, when a player has been with the same team for more than 5 years, or in the same league for 10 years, can the player refuse a trade.

  • Comment 118, posted at 04.01.11 16:45:22 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 118) : it’s a maturity thing… we need to remember that rugby has only been professional for 15 years or so

  • Comment 119, posted at 04.01.11 16:49:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • When the Mapoe saga was happening, I kept thinking about a baseball player, George Brett, superb with the bat, he played his career with the Kansas City Royals, making it to the Hall of Fame for his career batting average. He is known as coming the closest to batting at a .400 rate, which is unheard of, for a season. He was above the number, and just had to sit out the last of 162 games, but he chose to play and dropped his average to .399.

    Anyway, in 1980 he signed a 10 year contract with the Royals for $1,000,000 a year, which was a superb deal at the time. Little did he realize that baseball salaries would absolutely explode in the next decade, leading to the contracts of over $100,000,000 seen today. George Brett could have easily multiplied his salary 10 times over if he was able to break his contract and negotiate with other teams. He did not, stuck it out, and as a result, the Royals increased the terms of his contract significantly (unilaterally) and also offered investment opportunities that led to much greater things for him in the long run.

    Bottom line, I don’t see why it is “OK” to negotiate with another team in SA, while under contract already with a team.

  • Comment 120, posted at 04.01.11 16:54:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 119) : But Rob, business contracts have been in place in South Africa for a very long time. Is it OK in SA to simply negotiate another contract because you don’t like the contract you signed?

  • Comment 121, posted at 04.01.11 16:55:54 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Although it has been professional for a long time, baseball is probably the best comparison in the US, since each professional franchise is responsible for nurturing it’s own talent from a very young age, offering multiple leagues at differing levels up to the Major Leagues. At each level, there is a minimum playing salary/contract that each franchise is required to honour. So if a player plays most of the season in a lower league, and gets promoted to the Major Leagues toward the end of the season, he would be paid his contracted salary for games with the lower league, and after his promotion would immediately be paid the minimum salary per game for a Major League player. This is all negotiated by the player’s union. Surely SARPA should negotiate something like this for the different levels in SA. Minimum salaries at Vodacom Cup, Currie Cup, Super Rugby and Springbok levels.

  • Comment 122, posted at 04.01.11 17:06:20 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 122) : It’s a little more complicated than minimum salaries, but not all that complicated. Things like stipends for players to live on while training with the team since they are only paid for games played, compensation while injured (with a playing injury), etc.

  • Comment 123, posted at 04.01.11 17:10:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 121) : should you not change your job if you do not like it? i think you should liken the sportsman contract more to the employment contract than any other business contract.

  • Comment 124, posted at 04.01.11 17:10:51 by rekinek Reply
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  • It’s not rocket science, but surely SARPA does this? Otherwise what in the world do they do, other than bitch and moan?

  • Comment 125, posted at 04.01.11 17:12:33 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 119) :
    @Dancing Bear (Comment 118) :

    I don’t like either of those.

    Rob we don’t want to end up the same way as the real professional players in the USA.

    DB, my problem with that is that it is not professional sport, it is rather commodity trading, with players having no say in the matter of which team they play for and being OWNED by the team.

    Players need to respect their contracts, and unions need to draw them up better.

  • Comment 126, posted at 04.01.11 17:13:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 124) : If I signed a contract for employment for 3 years, and don’t like my job, I still have to work out the three years, then I can go elsewhere. At least that is how it is here in the US. Heck some companies make you sign contracts not allowing you to work in the same field for a certain number of years after the contract ends with said company, and even those are upheld. I agree, it is just like an employment contract, and if I sign one for three years, and are offered a higher salary elsewhere, I can not just walk out on the contract.

  • Comment 127, posted at 04.01.11 17:15:09 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 126) : fine, don’t allow trades, but the players have all the say when they sign a multi year contract. And when signing, you take the risk that your value may sky rocket and you will not be properly compensated, you take that risk for the safety of a long term contract.

  • Comment 128, posted at 04.01.11 17:17:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • What is the point of signing an employment contract for multiple years if one party can simply walk out. Is it then OK for the company to just say after one year, we don’t need your skills anymore, good bye, no more money for you? Of course not, if the company is expected to live up to the contract, then surely the employee is expected to as well>?

  • Comment 129, posted at 04.01.11 17:19:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I am currently working under an employment contract that says I can not enter certain fields for 2 years after my employment ends. If a company in said field hires me, in that time frame, they stand to lose all their Government contracts, which is huge here in the US.

  • Comment 130, posted at 04.01.11 17:23:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 126) : Also KSA, as you know, I work for the Federal Government, I can be assigned to work anywhere within the US boundaries, including territories. Since players are contracted to the league, ultimately the league has the authority to move players to whichever franchise they choose. It is part of the contract, like it is part of my employment contract.

  • Comment 131, posted at 04.01.11 17:27:37 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Another way this could backfire in the Lions face is they have now set a ridiculous precedence for salary for a current Springbok. After word gets out exactly how much the Lions are paying Beast, why would any current Springbok sign with the Lions for anything less. That would be admitting they are not as good. Why would Frans Steyn sign for anything less than Beast is getting, and if he finds out after he has signed, he won’t be happy.

  • Comment 132, posted at 04.01.11 17:36:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Also, let’s not forget about Steenkamp, who was ahead of Beast for the Tri-Nations, even when Beast was eligible. Steenkamp played very well, and John Smit played superbly at loosehead when he was called upon by the Sharks. Beast could just as easily find himself outside the Bok squad by the RWC while at the Lions. The Sharks front row is now considered the best in the country, and with Smit at 1, instead of Beast, that status does not diminish one bit, but how will Beast shine in an inferior front row? Very risky move by Beast at this point in his career.

  • Comment 133, posted at 04.01.11 17:41:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 132) : yes – that is the aspect of it that I find most intriguing. Beast is a good player, but a R4m a year talisman? Definitely not.

  • Comment 134, posted at 04.01.11 17:44:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • I just feel a person’s word should mean something, and a contract just reinforces that. I sad because I thought Beast was the kind of person that appreciated all that had been done for him, especially when he signed the three year deal, yet now he is so easily willing to break his own word.

  • Comment 135, posted at 04.01.11 17:51:11 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA SHARK: sharks_lover was correct when he said that he had heard kockott will stay @sharks for 6 mnths..b v zyl said the same thing re:kockott signing with lions..kockott came to sharks and said lions are stuffing him around ,so could the sharks please help him out coz he must buy presents and pay for his dec holiday..b v zyl then said “fine,we will help you out with a 6mnth contract,hopefully by then the lions will have offered you a contract”..then b v zyl said he was surprised to learn that after this was done (verbal agreement?),the lions had announced the signing of kockott..so sharks_lover inside info was actually spot-on,he and his sources must have been just as surprised as b v zyl was hearing that kockott had afterall signed with the lions..

  • Comment 136, posted at 04.01.11 17:56:58 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 136) : oh really now?

  • Comment 137, posted at 04.01.11 18:37:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • I still somehow think losing mike rhodes to the lions is a bigger loss than pat cilliers

  • Comment 138, posted at 04.01.11 18:38:00 by bergshark Reply

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  • I really rated the pre-injury pat cilliers but he doesn’t seem the same player post-injury :_(
    He was incredible runner ball-in -hand,but has not shown the same explosiveness after his return from injury :-(
    I feel for the player because he had bok written all over him..

  • Comment 139, posted at 04.01.11 18:41:17 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan: official story from b v zyl that was on news24 (re:kockott signs with lions..think the arti’s heading was still: “kockott going home” ..lol)

  • Comment 140, posted at 04.01.11 18:44:53 by bergshark Reply

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  • Mapoe’s agent was trying to sell his player to the highest bidder..can’t blame the sharks for feeling sorry for the predicament mapoe was in re: his situation at the cheetahs..

  • Comment 141, posted at 04.01.11 18:49:43 by bergshark Reply

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  • http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Kockott-also-heading-north-20101215

    Not exactly saying he had signed with the Sharks as SL’s source lead us to believe. More like they were willing help him out by extending his contract, but nothing that it had been done.

    I have issues with statements made as fact when they are presumptions of what MAY happen.

  • Comment 142, posted at 04.01.11 19:43:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 136) : Agree there Bergshark. Shark_Lover was correct about Kockott. What he said was going to happen then the Lions offered Kockott on the last min a contract. So S_L was totally correct, well Sharky’s source must be a good for sure cause he called that one spot on.

  • Comment 143, posted at 04.01.11 19:56:24 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 143) : meant Sharky’s source must be a good ONE for sure cause he called that one spot on.

    Forgot the ONE up there.. :smile:

  • Comment 144, posted at 04.01.11 19:58:32 by Puma Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 142) : KSA, S_L said at the time that Kockott WAS going to sign for six months with the Sharks, not that he HAD signed. But the Lions beat us to it as they offered him a contract before he signed with the Sharks, who were going to give him a six months contract only to help him out.

    S_L source got that one spot on buddy.

  • Comment 145, posted at 04.01.11 20:01:35 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 145) : 100% correct bro

    the same morning my contact told me he was going to sign for 6 months and then look at his option, and that he was in negotiations with the lions

    that same night things changed and he had taken an offer from the lions

    today i spoke to another contact re beast , and i was told beast is staying and had with his own mouth said so, i was told this would probably be in the natal press 2morrow morning

    but like i even told rob , i’ll feel better when its 100% official

    so im not saying its 100 a fact , just what i was told and hopefully things dont change from that

  • Comment 146, posted at 04.01.11 21:20:26 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 101) : eish windy this and all the comments wern’t at u my friend they were based at the snoils nt u as person if i did anything to make u fell like this i’m sorry but like Rob said 4 are always welcome :mrgreen:

  • Comment 147, posted at 04.01.11 21:24:40 by chaz Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 145) : by the way bro i will be going to the sharks 2 warm up games in Cape Town come month end , if you are going to be here let me know so we can get you tickets

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  • @chaz (Comment 147) : windy is a good bloke and he is alowed to give us stick , hell he took a lot from us sharks supporters, thats what blogging is all about

    windy its all cool mate , and you know you like us sharks anyhows :mrgreen:

  • Comment 149, posted at 04.01.11 21:30:49 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 146) : well i also feel when its 100% a done deel before we all go on a goose chance again :oops: and only then will i go bak and except him as sharks blood to death do us part

  • Comment 150, posted at 04.01.11 21:31:39 by chaz Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 149) : :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 151, posted at 04.01.11 21:32:28 by chaz Reply

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  • well cheers all me must go to bed :mrgreen: :mrgreen: got a wedding to plan etc so i’ll be busy on SW and doing what has to be done with this wedding :mrgreen:

  • Comment 152, posted at 04.01.11 21:34:32 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 151) : lol hiyas chaz , remember too that we have no idea what beast said or feels , all we have is press versions

    and i can only say what i know , which is what i have told , but like we know things can change

    i do know beast is at training with the sharks

  • Comment 153, posted at 04.01.11 21:35:41 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • All I can say is MONEY TALKS,beast is not a true shark if he goes to the lions,so I really do not care if he goes or not.

  • Comment 154, posted at 05.01.11 01:34:17 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • :mrgreen: Well good morning all what a beautiful day in cape town

    and its official , beast stays a sharks

    for more info go to rugby talk and read the article ;-)

  • Comment 155, posted at 05.01.11 06:41:22 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 155) :

    Good morning and hope its a great day of cricket

    but us its raining :mrgreen:

  • Comment 156, posted at 05.01.11 07:29:42 by chaz Reply

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  • lol yeah heard its raining in durbs

    and happy beast will be staying put at the tank

  • Comment 157, posted at 05.01.11 07:32:45 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 153) : Well this is good news but gee i just wish Beast would come onto SW and explain how he feels because us as supporters can really be a angry bunch when it comes to our team we are like mother Hen that looks well after her chicks :mrgreen:

    but when i’m am 100% sure he is staying i will say i’m sorry :smile:

  • Comment 158, posted at 05.01.11 07:34:20 by chaz Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 157) :mrgreen: : thanks that is very good news what made him change his mind maybe after all his blood is SHARKS blood :mrgreen:

    BLACK AND WHITE IS ALL THAT MATTERS :mrgreen:

    now i just wonder what that dame snoils have to say to that :mrgreen:

  • Comment 159, posted at 05.01.11 07:36:43 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 158) : its official mate , he is staying

    if you have not read the article go to rugby_talk . its up and come back and chat here

  • Comment 160, posted at 05.01.11 07:38:07 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 157) : maybe Rob will put up a thread for this great news or update the old one and then i will comment to it but this is really good news it just made my day my friend :mrgreen:

  • Comment 161, posted at 05.01.11 07:38:47 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 159) : lol huge money as he had finacial difficulties from some bad choices he made

    but i am sure that is now taken care of

  • Comment 162, posted at 05.01.11 07:39:17 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 160) : going right away :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 163, posted at 05.01.11 07:39:24 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 161) : youre most welcome old chap ;-) :lol:

    yeah i am sure rob will have something up soon here

    i told him yesterday where the article would be so i am sure he has made contact there or will make contact soon as he is up

  • Comment 164, posted at 05.01.11 07:41:18 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Sharks fight off Lions :mrgreen:

    eish i just hope that snoils
    multi-millionaire Robert Gumede has read this and because of rules on SW i’m not going to swear at all but he knows what he can do with his poaching the Sharks
    it can go to the best place known he will catch what i’m saying :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 165, posted at 05.01.11 07:48:57 by chaz Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 164) : :mrgreen:

    this is so great i can jump for joy and if beast was here i will just kiss him thank you :mrgreen:

  • Comment 166, posted at 05.01.11 07:50:33 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 166) : lol enjoy chaz

    :lol:

  • Comment 167, posted at 05.01.11 08:03:02 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 167) : ;-)

    now at leaat we can go and

    BBBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT :mrgreen:

  • Comment 168, posted at 05.01.11 08:05:49 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 168) : :lol:

  • Comment 169, posted at 05.01.11 08:08:01 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Well done sharks_lover,you called 100% correct!

  • Comment 170, posted at 05.01.11 08:15:45 by bergshark Reply

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  • ok outa here . bb later

  • Comment 171, posted at 05.01.11 08:16:44 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 170) : :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 172, posted at 05.01.11 08:16:52 by chaz Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 171) : cheers till later :mrgreen:

  • Comment 173, posted at 05.01.11 08:17:28 by chaz Reply

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  • Just heard andre bloem on ecr say that the beast will be staying @sharks for another 3 seasons

  • Comment 174, posted at 05.01.11 08:18:49 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 170) : Thank you bergie and thanks for the support earlier

    just so happy beast is staying , with all the boks having to get rested a bit this year the rotation policy will be used more then before

    smitty and beast will rotate LH burden and bissy Hooker and jannie and van staden TH with herbst back up for prop so we should be fine now

  • Comment 175, posted at 05.01.11 08:19:37 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 174) : yeah the article is front page of the mercury as i said it would be

    well atleast rob can put up an article for the bloggers here to have some good chat with :lol:

  • Comment 176, posted at 05.01.11 08:21:03 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • ok now i really must run , catch you laters bergie

  • Comment 177, posted at 05.01.11 08:22:37 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 176) : can’t wait gee Rob wake up please :smile:

  • Comment 178, posted at 05.01.11 08:23:29 by chaz Reply

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  • Yeah beast staying solves a lot of probs with front-row rotation policy
    Also means we keep the services of a big ball_carrier and strong tackler

  • Comment 179, posted at 05.01.11 08:25:30 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 179) : yep spot on this is such good news :mrgreen:

  • Comment 180, posted at 05.01.11 08:28:29 by chaz Reply

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  • @sharks_lover: okay ,hear from you later .have a pleasant day :-)

  • Comment 181, posted at 05.01.11 08:33:56 by bergshark Reply

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  • @chaz: I’m just loving the rain :-)

  • Comment 182, posted at 05.01.11 08:36:51 by bergshark Reply

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  • Will be interesting to read comments on the “beast stays @sharks”-arti

  • Comment 183, posted at 05.01.11 08:38:43 by bergshark Reply

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  • All through this Beast-gate scandal, I have been keeping very quiet. All the facts around this beast-gate were sketchy from the start. “A rumours, a twitter post, a talk to someone close to the Sharks”. When unsubstantiated facts like that get thrown around it normally stays a rumour and 90% of the time is not true. It started of as a rumour, everyone added their masala to the fire so to speak, and it becomes news to sell to the public. Gossip and Rumours sell ppl on SW ;)

    Anyway happy Beast is staying.

  • Comment 184, posted at 05.01.11 08:49:28 by Mocho Reply

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  • Now I’m just waiting on news re: butch james..think he might be going to lions :-(
    But what if he joins the stormers or even the bulls?!!
    Doubt it very much he will be re-joining the sharks :-( ..but one can never tell..

  • Comment 185, posted at 05.01.11 08:51:05 by bergshark Reply

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  • Not that I think he doesn’t want to re-join the sharks.just don’t think sharks have that much money to spend.
    Even though sharks have lambie ,jlp,meyer bosman to cover @fh,I still think a fit butch james can add some serious value to the sharks team

  • Comment 186, posted at 05.01.11 08:54:09 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 182) : me too this heat is just not for me at all and with a glass of OBS and soup

    :mrgreen:

    does wonders

  • Comment 187, posted at 05.01.11 08:58:29 by chaz Reply

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  • Any news on that outside centre the sharks are looking for?

  • Comment 188, posted at 05.01.11 08:58:54 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 183) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 189, posted at 05.01.11 08:59:07 by chaz Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 184) : :lol: ;-)

  • Comment 190, posted at 05.01.11 08:59:55 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz: the day stlii gonna be a long one chaz,don’t drrink 2 much obs :-D

  • Comment 191, posted at 05.01.11 09:00:23 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 186) : butch has always been a soft spot of mine but he is getting to old for this game and he is hurt its time for young blood

  • Comment 192, posted at 05.01.11 09:01:29 by chaz Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 191) : ;-)

    eish no my friend its way to earlly for OBS i meant for to nite

    eeeeee :mrgreen:

  • Comment 193, posted at 05.01.11 09:02:26 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz: I’m @work,wish I could be @home reading a fine book

  • Comment 194, posted at 05.01.11 09:03:30 by bergshark Reply

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  • We can use butch’s experience

  • Comment 195, posted at 05.01.11 09:05:54 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 194) : now that is my cup of tea and with a bowl of soup :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 196, posted at 05.01.11 09:07:29 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz: must do some work now,chat later :-)

  • Comment 197, posted at 05.01.11 09:08:45 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 195) : yep we could but what if :lol: he wants money and the snoils are throwing big buks at the players so he as not so long left and he’ll go for the bucks i guess

  • Comment 198, posted at 05.01.11 09:09:07 by chaz Reply

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  • Its official Mike Greenway reports in The Mercury, the Beast is remaining at The Sharks for the next 3 years!

  • Comment 199, posted at 05.01.11 09:09:27 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 197) :
    cheers ;-)

  • Comment 200, posted at 05.01.11 09:09:34 by chaz Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 199) : its great isn’t it now we can rest of minds :mrgreen:

  • Comment 201, posted at 05.01.11 09:10:32 by chaz Reply

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  • Yep Chaz some of us owe him an apology! Me included. Seems most of the hype was from the snoils and not the player who actually wanted to remain at The Sharks!

  • Comment 202, posted at 05.01.11 09:20:18 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 202) : me to just waiting for Rob to get the post up maybe they can forward all the comments to him as well :mrgreen:

  • Comment 203, posted at 05.01.11 09:24:05 by chaz Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 202) : you no what the red is for the devils doing

  • Comment 204, posted at 05.01.11 09:24:52 by chaz Reply

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  • oh meant to add he was training with The Sharks yesterday

  • Comment 205, posted at 05.01.11 09:25:33 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 205) : :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 206, posted at 05.01.11 09:27:55 by chaz Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 184) :
    You are free to choose whatever you like, but in the very first article Rob said that he was reluctant to comment on the rumours, but they were rife. Secondly, if you believe that Beast was not actually close to leaving, you are misinformed.

    SW has never been a rumour-mongering platform.

  • Comment 207, posted at 05.01.11 09:31:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Well i’m off

    just like WPW i also need to get myself and the garn son to the hair dresser so don’t go and miss me will be back

    eeeee :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 208, posted at 05.01.11 09:32:51 by chaz Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 102) : they scare the living Sh!t out of me. They are both dubious characters and I worry that one day they will be put in a plave where naughty boys go and leave the Lions High and dry. Like a certain Sir Allen Stanford, did in cricket. I am no fan and I still believe the Lions will pay for the greed of being associated with them!! just an opinion though!!

  • Comment 209, posted at 05.01.11 09:43:08 by Whindy Reply
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