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Early-season injury concerns for Bulls


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Original Content, Super Rugby on 10 Jan 2011 at 17:23
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While it’s to be expected that teams will have a few niggling injury concerns heading into a new season, the unlucky Bulls appear to have been particularly hard hit this season.

The men from Pretoria, having won an unprecedented three Super 14 titles in the last four years, must surely be one of the hot favourites to lift the inaugural Super Rugby trophy this year, based on the retention of the core of a squad that has played together for a number of years and contains experienced campaigners (and leaders) in virtually every position. News this week, though, is that three Springboks – prop Gurthrö Steenkamp, loose forward Pierre Spies and centre Jaco Pretorius – are all already spending some time on the sidelines before the season has even started. While none of the injuries looks serious enough to keep the players out once the competition starts, they will probably be enough to ensure a slower-than-ideal start for any of the players mentioned. Spies looks likely to be out of action for around 2 weeks with a hamstring sprain, while Steenkamp and Pretorius will both need three weeks or so before they can resume training.

One piece of massively positive news for the Bulls, though, is that their backline general Fourie du Preez has recovered completely from the injury that saw him miss the bulk of the 2010 season. He has been given the all clear to train, along with other injury concerns including Gary Botha and Wynand Olivier.



56 Comments

  • I’m sure they will be fine, they start their campaign with a warm up against the lions anyway.

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.01.11 17:31:49 by war1 Reply
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  • Come On Lions . .. Hopefully you`ll hold those bulls back from game one!

    The Stormers certainly won`t help us in this regard . . . :twisted:

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.01.11 17:36:28 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 1) : har har :)

    nah – these guys will be good. Only thing that could seriously hurt them is an injury to Morne Steyn.

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.01.11 17:37:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 2) : dude the lions are holding out hope for a good season with the ‘imminent’ arrival of several players under contract elsewhere and vague promises of ‘there’s something happening at the lions’ my bet is the bulls will smash them

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.01.11 17:41:45 by war1 Reply
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  • I guess it`s too early to speculate . . . but I would love to see a possible match 22 for the bulls.

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.01.11 17:45:58 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 4) : You`re right of course but if Lions can do us a favour it`ll help our chances. Remember we need to top our conference . .. second position is as good as dead.

    Also bear in mind, the Sharks have a good record against the lions . . . bulls on the other hand . . .

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.01.11 17:48:20 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 5) : 1) Steenkamp 2 Botha 3 Kruger 4 Botha 5 Matfield 6 Stegmann 7 Potgieter 8 Spies 9 du Preez 10 Steyn 11 Hougaard 12 Olivier 13 Pretorius 14 vd Heever 15 Kirchner

    That lineup was good enough to win it last year!

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.01.11 17:51:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 6) : I’d prefer to completely rule the Lions out of any equations. There’s no reason the Sharks can’t top our conference on our own steam. We should have the beating of all the other SA teams home and away (although we struggle at Loftus in Super Rugby) and have a relatively benign draw against the foreign teams

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.01.11 17:53:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : Thanks Rob!

    Very impressive, but I do believe their depth would be under pressure in certain key positions.

    Fourie and Morne are key men, if they lose any one of them it`s effectively game over for them.

    Krusty and Shrek will be important for them as well.

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.01.11 18:10:47 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 9) : ja true… the loss of Chilli, Bjorn and virtually ALL their backup flyhalves will hurt… all depends on how quickly Chilli and Bjorn can play again.

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.01.11 18:27:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : 2014 sounds about fair . . . :twisted:

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.01.11 18:28:28 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : Maybe they should invest in Earl Rose for some backup ?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.01.11 18:29:43 by Original Champion Reply
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  • Bulls will be in trouble if they lose Steyn, Olivier, Kirchner, Botha or any of their loose forwards to injury. They have lots of backup in the front and second rows, but the Currie Cup exposed their lack of depth in other areas.

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.01.11 18:40:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • For the sharks to be considered true champs..we do have to win all our home games..get the bonus points..the first n second game I can’t see us losing..we have a good core with cc champs so they know what type of pressure they are under..

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.01.11 20:19:25 by shaniboi Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 1) :
    Yeah that is unfair!!!!!!!!!!! Howcome the Bulls get to play a warm-up game in round one? :razz: :razz:

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.01.11 22:06:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 15) : @war1 (Comment 4) : Too funny. :mrgreen: But I think the Lions are just getting warmed up. If they get their house in order and spend their money well, I won’t be surprised to see a power shift south of the Jukskei River again (like in the early 1990s). Straeuli will remember those days. He like Uli Schmidt were 2 of the guys that moved from N.Tvl to powerful Tvl and never looked back.

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.01.11 22:38:24 by beet Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 9) : @robdylan (Comment 3) : I’m also puzzled by the Bulls seeming lack of depth at 10. After the Vodacom Cup concluded, promising Brummer’s career looks to have gone into freefall. Boshoff did well in the u21s, but I’m not sure if he’s is ready for S15 rugby yet. So at this stage you guys seem to be spot on about the importance of Steyn to their campaign. But I’d never underestimate the Bulls.

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.01.11 22:40:50 by beet Reply
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  • In the other possies for Guthro, they have backup in Greyling and solid looking youngsters Kirsten and de Klerk (Paarlbok’s mate). And in the backrow if Spies is out, van Velze & Stander have had plenty of C/C exposure so far + there’s Kuun. I expect Dippenaar and Watermeyer to give a fully fit Pretorius a run for his money as well.
    And some of the other posters on this forum have already stressed the increased importance of depth and rotation as a key ingredient for success from this season onwards. The Bulls look to be ahead of us in this dept.

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.01.11 22:42:43 by beet Reply
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  • From a Sharks supporter point of view…. There is one thing I want to say…. Welcome back Fourie!!! Can’t wait to see you at your best, and helping the Boks to another RWC.

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.01.11 07:52:08 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • Is it just me or is anyone else worried about the sharks losing to the cheetahs at all I kno on paper the sharks have the better team but we always struggle against them.

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.01.11 08:14:27 by sharkbok Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) :

    @robdylan (Comment 13) :

    Can I be completely honest here..

    I would love for the Bulls to all be fit, and they get Chili and Bjorn back bfore they play us..

    Then, when we beat them, there cannot be any excuse! We did it in the Currie Cup, we can do it in Super Rugby!

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.01.11 08:14:54 by Richard Ferguson (KCM) Reply
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  • So the Lions
    bought Bulls coach Nico Serfontein. His going to be in charge of the junior structures at the Lions. Seems like the early season woes for the Bulls has gotten much worse.

    If Morne gets injured I’m sure the Bulls will use Jaco van der ( be a monkey and climb up the rugby pole) Westeyzein?

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.01.11 09:06:18 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho: who did the lions get from the bulls?

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.01.11 09:14:26 by bergshark Reply

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  • Imho if the sharks don’t win this comp, I would prefer the bulls win a 4th title in 5 years

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.01.11 09:19:31 by bergshark Reply

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  • Nico was the junior Blue Bulls mentor and is responsible for developing the majority of the Bulls senior squad who came through his ranks. This is a smart move by the Lions. Their youth structures will definately be bolstered by such a move.

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.01.11 09:20:27 by Mocho Reply

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  • …Have them eating away @ the record of that other team from that other country ..

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.01.11 09:24:16 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 26) : If we don’t win it then I’m hoping the Cheetahs win it, and ( I know we will win atleast one comp) if we don’t win the CC I’m hoping the Stormers or the Lions win it. In that way all our teams would be super strong, and it could only benefit the Boks.

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.01.11 09:30:23 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho: has serfontein been there @the bulls since the time of heyneke?(Did he arrive with heyneke?).

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.01.11 09:35:11 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Mocho: please not the lions or the cheetahs !

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.01.11 09:38:20 by bergshark Reply

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  • I am seriously thinking of supporting the foreign teams against the lions and cheetahs

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.01.11 09:40:09 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 26) : Here we go again. :) Now that the CC is over we are expected to show support for all the Saffa teams as a sign of patriotism.

    You won’t be seeing any of that MumboJumbo from me. Sharks!!!! And then Stormers on occasion. The only time I’d support the other three SA teams is if it could benefit the Sharks.

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.01.11 09:40:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The sharks must win all their matches and the other sa teams must win all their games versus the aus and nz sides..that is how I would like to see it pan out..local sa derbies,I just wanna see good rugby showcased to the world..

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.01.11 09:44:04 by bergshark Reply

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  • Still no clarity regarding the “Beast” !

    The tug of war between the Sharks and Lions over Springbok loosehead prop Tendai “Beast” Mtawarira will be decided by the player himself, and not either union.

    That’s the view of Golden Lions CEO Manie Reyneke, who Tuesday said his union had still not given up on signing the player, despite the Sharks insistence that he will be staying in Durban.

    While the dispute is very similar to last year’s fight over Louis Ludick and Willem Alberts, the Sharks announced last week that Mtawarira will be staying in Durban, a move which according to the Lions is a bit premature.

    “Its all in Beast’s court now,” Reyneke told SuperSport.com, “We have made him an offer which is valid and the Sharks have done the same. The final decision rests with him as to where he goes.”

    Mtawarira will have to make the decision soon, but is said to be good friends with the Lions investment partner Robert Gumede, which will play a role in his decision.

    Lions officials have privately said they will “fight to the end” to get Mtawarira to Johannesburg, especially given the bad blood between themselves and the Sharks over player contracts.

    “It is important for the player to be happy wherever he plays,” Reyneke added, hinting that Mtawarira may be happier in Gauteng than at the coast. Meanwhile Reyneke poured cold water on rumours of former Lions Joe van Niekerk and Ernst Joubert returning home before the World Cup.

    Van Niekerk is somewhat of a folk hero at Toulon in France, while Joubert is playing great rugby for Saracens in England. Both recently signed new contracts, according to Reyneke, taking them out of the equation for the Lions.

    “In any case, we have enough cover at loose forward at the moment and a lot of talent in those positions,” Reyneke said.

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.01.11 09:49:40 by Rvw Reply

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  • @Rvw (Comment 35) : I won’t lie: this still makes me nervous, but it does seem an exact rehash of an article/ response last week.

    Seems the Sharks are very confident its a done deal with Beast.

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.01.11 10:00:14 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 30) : yep Heyneke Head hunted him upon his appointment

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.01.11 10:00:41 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Rvw (Comment 35) : The Beast must put his foot down and just say where he wants to play. John Smit did it when he said at a press conference that he is going to play for the Sharks, beast should do the same! To end all speculation for good.

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.01.11 10:07:19 by Mocho Reply

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  • I really hope that this is a done deal

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.01.11 10:07:53 by Rvw Reply

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  • @Rvw (Comment 35) : Nothing much changed from last week then.

    notice how it is only the Lions still talking to the press about this. The Sharks and the Beast are quietly going about their S15 preperation.

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.01.11 10:09:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Rvw (Comment 35) : Sorry, did not see this, I made a comment about this on another post.

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.01.11 10:22:27 by Farlington Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 40) : one new factor is that there is apparently a close personal link between Beast and Gumede that we didn’t know about before…

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.01.11 10:22:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : Hope that doesn’t influence “Beast” decision to rather join the Lions. :sad:

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.01.11 10:30:55 by Rvw Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : Hell Rob I hope this is not true. But surely he would have made a move by now, rather then stick around and train with the team?

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.01.11 10:31:15 by Farlington Reply

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  • The Beast-feast continues! Rob I wanted to ask, what is the realistic chance that Brendan Venter could help coach the Boks? I’v noticed that cricket Friday is starting, close to the RWC rugby Friday should start as well.

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.01.11 10:36:46 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 43) : Rugby before cricket Mocho… and remember, always keep it real.

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.01.11 10:44:54 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 44) : haha! I enjoy both sports! Although rugby just edges cricket in terms of passion and excitement.

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.01.11 11:02:00 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho:” rugby just edges cricket..”( ?????????!)

  • Comment 46, posted at 11.01.11 11:20:29 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 42) : I tried to make that point the other day. If the decision is Beast’s then surely he has made it by training with the Sharks????

    The ONLY concern I have is that BEAST has not come out and said “I am staying in Durban with the Sharks”

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.01.11 11:23:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 47) : I feel that Beast has tacitly said that by running out at training in Durban…

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.01.11 11:24:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan: since when has beast and gumede been close
    ?? (re: the report on news24…)
    Just hope beast hasn’t accepted money from gumede (as a “friend”) to sort out(some pressing short-term) financial woes..

  • Comment 49, posted at 11.01.11 11:28:31 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) : what reason does he have for not saying it outright. Scared of the underworld dealing of his new friend???

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.01.11 11:30:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 49) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 50) : you guys watch too much Isidingo

  • Comment 51, posted at 11.01.11 11:34:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan: lol :-)

  • Comment 52, posted at 11.01.11 12:02:21 by bergshark Reply

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  • Getting back to the bulls and their sudden lack of depth ( don`t you just love it?! )

    Possible Subs:
    henry bandjes( hooker )
    rossouw de klerk( prop )
    fudge /flip vd merwe/jaundre kruger( Lock )
    gerrit janze van velze(loosy)
    ruan snyman/dustin jinka(9)
    francois brummer(10)
    stephan dippenaar/hayden groepies backs

    urm suddenly their lack of depth isn`t such a big problem.
    But I say again, Shrek and Krusty are crucial for them. They pick up an injury there and suddenly they have to include Fudge, Jinka or Groepies somewhere?

    Then we`ll hit them hard!

  • Comment 53, posted at 11.01.11 12:14:37 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 53) : hang on a minute dude… did you actually read your own post?

    Apart from the second row, which of those replacements has actually shown themselves to be anything more than a promising junior? Many of those same players looked decidedly ordinary in the Currie Cup last year…

  • Comment 54, posted at 11.01.11 12:19:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 54) : I don`t want to be too positive this early.

    What if they announce a high profile signing at the last minute.

    Lets postpone the celebrations . . . but except for the Stormers we can be a little optimistic.

  • Comment 55, posted at 11.01.11 12:24:54 by Original Champion Reply
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  • The bulls frontline team is impressive..the back-up not ..don’t rate flippie as a lock either,and that is where the bulls will need some serious good cover for bakkies and vic..
    Players like cj stander and van velze I rate though..if they can play with the bulls best team,they will blossom if given adequate game time

  • Comment 56, posted at 11.01.11 12:25:27 by bergshark Reply

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