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Smit left with difficult decision


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 12 Jan 2011 at 09:27
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Jake White, the former Springbok World Cup Winning coach, has made it clear that he thinks John Smit should retire. The Springboks are a mere nine months away from defending their title in New Zealand.

John Smit has come under increased pressure over the last few months to call it a day on a career that has spanned 10 years, after his debut in 2000 against Canada and has since played another 101 games for his country.

The biggest factor behind the calls for retirement is his Sharks teammate Bismarck du Plessis, who is the form hooker in South Africa and was one of the form players on the Boks’ End of year tour.

Peter de Villiers will have a very similar situation 12 years ago to refer to before making any decisions. In 1999, months before defending the World Cup, a certain Nick Mallett axed Gary Teichmann for a new exciting player, and Mallett has since said it was the biggest mistake of his life. Will de Villiers make the same mistake?

There are a few problems that arise should John Smit decide to retire. The leadership will almost certainly go to Victor Matfield, which is by no means a bad thing, but Smit is the better leader, and the squad as a whole will lose a massive amount of experience. The impact of losing your captain months before a World Cup is not what the Boks need going into their defence.

So how do the coaches approach this situation? The first problem is the fact that both Smit and du Plessis play for the same Super Rugby franchise, meaning they are competing for the same position. Du Plessis should be the starting hooker for the Sharks, but will he be on rotation to make way for Smit? Or will the captain be forced to play in a different position, something which is unfair on both the player and the squad.

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  • I swear if they force Smit out in the same way they did to Teichman, I won’t watch the world cup!

    Bismark will get his chance after the WC, let smit play hooker. The rest should have done him some good.

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.01.11 09:31:03 by PTAShark Reply
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  • There is no easy answer for this situation. Bismarck is so valuable. I think we are going to see Smit at loosehead this season. As long as he doesn’t play tighthead.

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.01.11 09:34:51 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Bismark has collected almost as much criticism as praise in his career. How quickly we forget that.

    A WC is won on squad strength and mental toughness – and both factors argue strongly that we desperately need Smit in the mix.

    Jake White is NOT infallible – why do we feel the need to always treat his announcements as gospel?

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.01.11 09:46:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 3) :

    Good points Feeesh..

    One of the things that Jake did right at the 2007 World Cup, was to draft in Bob Skinstad as a squad leader. If Smit shows poor form in the Super Rugby thingy, maybe we should look at that.

    What I am expecting though, is for Smit to answer the critics with some great fitness and good form as soon as the season starts!

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.01.11 10:01:36 by Richard Ferguson (KCM) Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (KCM) (Comment 4) : I wonder who will captain the Sharks in the S15?

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.01.11 10:03:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • John is not good enough or in the right shape to play hooker anymore, i would use him as a loosehead, but only off the bench for Beast for the last 10-20 minutes. When i have seen him there he has scrummed pretty well. Beast bissie and jannie is clearly The Sharks best frontrow and when Tests come around we only really throw Steenkamp into the mix…john at the moment is not in my opinion good enough to start a game for any of our teams ahead on any of these other frontrowers, not bad to have him come off the bench to bring some composure to the side and help us close out the games. John would be my 2nd choice hooker for Boks and Sharks behind Bissie; and loosehead i would choose Beast and Eugene ahead of him eventhough Eugene looks to be Jannie Dup’s Backup at 3 for Sharks. Best outcome for John would be for John to keep getting into better shape and remain as second choice 2 both at Sharks and Boks with the ability to cover 1 if needed. He won’t really become 1st choice 1 for Sharks and definately not the boks…boks we have beast and guthro and to me they are the 2 best looseheads in the world currently.

    Sharks-
    1.Beast
    2.Bissie
    3.Jannie
    16.Smitty…cover 2 and 1.
    17.Van Staden…cover 3 and 1.

    Boks-
    1.Beast/Guthro
    2.Bissie
    3.Jannie
    16.Smitty
    17.Coenie?…maybe still needs to develop a bit more at 3, we will see.

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.01.11 10:05:32 by JJR Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (KCM) (Comment 4) : have you heard any team news about the cricket will tahir be playing today?

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.01.11 10:06:11 by Ben Reply
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  • jake also made a comment that if he was coach he would want smit as captain.sa ja.i prefer smit over any other captain but lets see how he performs in super rugby. . . go smitty

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.01.11 10:07:10 by juba_fan Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 5) : Reading that Stef has already picked up 6kg of muscle so far, it shows stef focusing on retaining his 13 jersey. Now that he is built more like a centre i think stef will stay at 13 and would be my captain. 12-Bosman 13-Stef…with Adi’s impact of the bench for at least 20 minutes.

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.01.11 10:08:40 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 6) : According to the sharksrugby site Smit has lost 7-8kg’s and looking in great shape. We’ll have to wait and see.

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.01.11 10:09:50 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 7) :

    A seperate cricket thread will be up a bit later today, but no I havent heard anything

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.01.11 10:10:09 by Richard Ferguson (KCM) Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 3) : Just goes to show that we place way too much emphasis on the World Cup and not nearly enough on being a rugby country that wins consistently.

    That is why JW’s opinion matters to the hordes and everyone forgets that his overall record as Bok coach isn’t exactly mind-blowing. We are a nation, which will forgive 4 years of mediocrity, as long as we win the Cup.

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.01.11 10:11:12 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 9) : You won’t have ‘the world’s greatest captain’ captain the Sharks?

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.01.11 10:11:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (KCM) (Comment 11) : I know was just asking so long…

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.01.11 10:13:04 by Ben Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 10) :

    Smit does look very fit and healthy..

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.01.11 10:13:11 by Richard Ferguson (KCM) Reply
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  • I mean smit can not be starting hooker anymore…can’t edit for some reason.@Pokkel (Comment 10) : That may be the case, but from all the pics i have seen he still does not look to be in his best shape…he can be better he just needs to keep working…more leg extensions and running…i am sure he is working hard though, The SHarks pre-season is amongst The Best in the world.

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.01.11 10:14:24 by JJR Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (KCM) (Comment 15) : Good news…Smit needs to be involved in the world cup…I just don’t know in which position.

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.01.11 10:15:06 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 13) : Have the Sharks won anything with him as captain? :smile:

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.01.11 10:15:31 by JJR Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 13) : If he is captain who could he replace…Beast…no way…Bissie…no way, and at 3 he has been very average to be honest; there is no place for him, but on the bench to be honest, in my opinion.

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.01.11 10:18:40 by JJR Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 17) : I would prefer Smit at loosehead. Even if he does shed 10kg he still doesn’t come near Bissie when it comes to ball-carrying, effectiveness at the breakdowns and defense.

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.01.11 10:18:52 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 18) : @JJR (Comment 19) : @rhineshark (Comment 20) : I agree with all of you…maybe Smit should go to the RWC in an advisory/player capacity.

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.01.11 10:20:39 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Hehehe…my comment is awaiting moderation??

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.01.11 10:21:51 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I think it’s a bit premature to speculate as to John’s future when we haven’t seen him play recently. Admittedly, last year may not have been his best, but that has much to do with his injury, as well as having to adjust to the requirements of tight head. I just have a feeling that he is going to silence many a critic in this Superrugby series.

    If I were to step out on the slippery slope of the “What to do with JS?” debate though, I would venture that John and Bissie bring different strengths to the table. John is a stronger scrummager, and also offers utility value, while Bissie is like an additional loosie. So why not adopt a horses for courses approach; play John at hooker against powerful scrummaging teams, and bring him on in the last 30 minutes either at loose head or hooker against the powder puff scrums (a la Australia).

    One thing is for sure, he *must* be a part of the WC squad.

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.01.11 10:24:11 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 22) : Not anymore

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.01.11 10:25:08 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 24) : Thanks hey ;-)

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.01.11 10:26:28 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 22) : nothing sinister… just cos you replied to 3 different people. Any comment with more than 2 links in it is automatically suspected of being spam :)

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.01.11 10:29:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • jake white is really starting to irritate me now!
    surly he not this stupid! i think he says this stuff for media hype!

    The time has passed to make a decison on smit!
    This would be just like when teichman was axed, and white knows it!
    And who is to say that either smit or bissie wont get injured in the run up to the WC!

    Smit, less cruel acts of god, must go to the world cup!

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.01.11 10:30:24 by kevmaestro Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Go spam yourself! :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.01.11 10:32:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I reckon we are missing a serious trick here… this is a gruelling season comprising 16 regular season games and possibly 3 play-offs. Why on earth would you want ONLY ONE international hooker in your squad? In a World Cup year? Come on, guys – there is going to be rotation of personnel the likes of which we can scarcely imagine in Super Rugby this year. That is where teams that don’t have quality backup in the front row – like the Stormers and the Lions – are seriously going to kak.

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.01.11 10:35:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : No arguments there but I think the discussion is more related to the RWC2011

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.01.11 10:41:07 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : Ja u right…have no problem with rotation, i just believe he should not be considered a 1st choice front row player in both teams. I have no problem with him at 16 to cover 2 and 1 if needed. He is still our 2nd best hooker in SA.

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.01.11 10:45:03 by JJR Reply
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  • Ja, he can start games as part of rotation, but not as our 1st choice. He is still a quality player it is just that there are other than have even more talent and are physically better in this moment in time.

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.01.11 10:47:35 by JJR Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) :

    I have to agree with you!

    That is why Plum’s 28 man squad confuses me a bit.

    It is a long season, and we are going to need every single player.

    But as you said, squads don’t mean a thing nowadays!

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.01.11 10:49:16 by Richard Ferguson (KCM) Reply
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  • @kevmaestro (Comment 27) : Jake is full of himself and he fully believes anything that pops out of his mouth.

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.01.11 10:49:18 by JJR Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (KCM) (Comment 33) : We will def. use Herbst and a 3rd scrummie in this season…so ja the squads don’t really count for too much.

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.01.11 10:51:01 by JJR Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 30) : let’s pick the World Cup squad after the Super Rugby comp? I reckon we’ll have a much better idea then

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.01.11 10:51:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • Leave John Smit alone. Look what he has done for rugby in SA for the Sharks and Springboks. If he is able to play, let him be. Only he will know and it is up to the coach. GO JOHN GO GO GO!!!!!

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.01.11 10:52:41 by Ardent Shark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : Fair enough…I truly hope Smit performs very well and there is no need for this kind of debate.

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.01.11 10:54:13 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I reckon Richards will get a run too. Plum has now come clean about how touch-and-go Odwa was for the final :)

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.01.11 10:57:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 38) :

    Smit will come out guns blazing.. I can promise you that!

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.01.11 10:57:50 by Richard Ferguson (KCM) Reply
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  • It’s a choice I won’t be able to make to be honest. And JW is not making things any easier by making these kind of comments to the media. The only thing I would like to know from JS, is whether HE really feels that he will contribute to the team. And by that I mean more then just his leadership. And if I consider the fact that he has worked his backside off (rumoured) in pre-season training, then I think he most certainly will. But let’s wait and see what happens during the Super Rugby season.

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.01.11 11:01:45 by Farlington Reply

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  • I have a different view to this, regarding the Boks. In light of the whole fetcher debate, the Sharks won a CC without an out and out fetcher. They did have 2 so called half-fetchers being Keeeegs and Bissie. They did perfectly and 2halves make a whole, equivalent to the Brussouws, Stegmans and the like.

    Thus the Boks should rotate their loose forwards in conjuction with their hookers. For e.g when Smit is hooker, put a true fetcher on like Brussouw. When Bissie is playing, he can play in conjuction with Schalk ( half a fetcher). Choosing between the two on the type of game plan the Boks choose.

    Same goes with the Sharks.Using the same logic above, when Smit is playing, Botes should play and when Bissie is on then Keegs should play.

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.01.11 11:02:32 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 41) : trust me – John would have retired if he didn’t feel he had something more to contribute

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.01.11 11:15:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • rob???

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.01.11 11:15:39 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Mocho (Comment 42) : that’s clever… we need more of that sort of thinking around here :)

  • Comment 45, posted at 12.01.11 11:17:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) : just spoke to you know who , and 100% certain beast is staying and happy and traing like crazy, he said the sour grapess manie reyneke is just blowing as he has lost another one again :lol:

  • Comment 46, posted at 12.01.11 11:18:02 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) : I think that is why he has been working so hard in the off season. He realizes that he has to up his game. I reserve my justment until after the S15

    @Mocho (Comment 42) : Good point.

  • Comment 47, posted at 12.01.11 11:20:47 by Farlington Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 46): Thought as much

  • Comment 48, posted at 12.01.11 11:22:16 by Farlington Reply

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  • I would not want to go to a world cup without Smitty in my squad. And we will always take more than just the one to a WC anyway.

    I am not a great White fan, but just to be fair, he did go on to say, “But, saying that, if I were the coach I would be begging him to come with. I’ve explained it to him. I said: ‘Listen, if I was the coach I would be begging you to play, but now I’m begging you to stop’.”

    Perhaps it’s a case of words being taken slightly out of context. Just a thought.

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  • @rugbypedia (Comment 49) : You don’t like Sharks??

    ‘I am not a great White fan’ Do you like any other Sharks species? :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 50, posted at 12.01.11 11:26:53 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Mocho (Comment 42) : been saying this all along in many an arguement i have had with other supporters ,

    when we beat the stormers in the super 14 we had deysel and bissy act as fetchers , but they not true fetchers

    i believe you get to rucks fast enough and use power, you can over come the so called fetchers like we did with flo etc

  • Comment 51, posted at 12.01.11 11:28:11 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • What Jake White is saying that under the present coaching staff he thinks JS is not being handled right, thats plain and simple

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 50) :

    Funny one. I luuuuuurv them. :)

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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : Thanks Rob :) . This theory if put into practice also sorts out a lot of the loose forward debates for both the Boks and the Sharks. If we choose to play a tight game then John and Botes solution would be more suitable. If we want in loose, then Bissie and Keegs combo with excel.

    In the CC the Sharks won 80% of their games in the first 30 minutes. Often putting 20 up on a team in no time. If we carry on with this game plan on Super Rugby, then the Bissie,Keegs combo should start. However the Kiwi teams are not like the SA teams. They will be used to things like the 20min try fest. Then again the Stormers had the “best back line in the country” and our 20 min try fest still came through. It will be interesting to see what the Sharks will do. For Strategic thinking lovers like me, this S15 is going to be one of the best ever.

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 44) : yes??? :)

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 46) : yes – that was my take as well… good work.

    All the KZN journos are saying the same thing as well and Jeremy is sticking to his guns too.

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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : lol told you way up there ^^^^ lol :lol:

  • Comment 57, posted at 12.01.11 11:47:54 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • comment 46

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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : great stuff so you also have it confirmed on your side

    old manie is being the public fool again :lol:

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  • Not fair Jake.
    Im willing to bet robdylans proverbial on a block that if Jake was Bok coach then Smit would be his captain. Its really not on making statements like this especially since no one has seen Smit play for many months now.

  • Comment 60, posted at 12.01.11 11:52:04 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Mocho (Comment 54) : you wanna write for us?

  • Comment 61, posted at 12.01.11 11:52:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 60) : agree. Jake is being a pillock

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 51) : If we do reach the semi-finals of the RWC, and do play against the All Chokers, then we have to limit the effectiveness of Mccaw and Carter. Brussouw with get the nod plus I’d pick Butch. Butch might rattle Carter up a bit. I doubt PDV will do that though

  • Comment 63, posted at 12.01.11 11:55:14 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 60) : hiyas sal , readinto why jake asked john to step down

    he himself said if he was coach he would beg john to play

    I have no doubt jake is saying snorre is not doing right by john

  • Comment 64, posted at 12.01.11 11:56:28 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Mocho (Comment 63) : yup look i aint saying we should not have a fetcher

    but you can do well without one

    against the stormers in the super 14 our trio was

    deysel, alberts and kanko

    it must be horses for courses

  • Comment 65, posted at 12.01.11 11:58:15 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • A lot of Jake’s words are sour grapes directed at Div and SARU… kind of sad that he’s dragging his mate Smittie’s name through the mud in the process

  • Comment 66, posted at 12.01.11 12:05:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 65) : and we CRUSHED them with that loose trio. It was awesome.

    Remember we also had no Bissie that day… That was probably the best forward display we have ever seen from a Sharks team in Super Rugby and we did it with Smit at hooker. Just food for thought, is all. Maybe if your pack is that dominant you don’t need a fourth loose forward…

  • Comment 67, posted at 12.01.11 12:07:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) : agree 100% with you Rob , horses for courses and it depends on the mind set

    you could not have put it better , we crushed them for sure

    as we did in the final , the look on their faces as they were smashed ?? PRICELESS :mrgreen:

  • Comment 68, posted at 12.01.11 12:15:20 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : again thats my take on it too

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 65) : if the sharks play against a team like the crusaders that retain possession waaay better than them they will get killed with that loose trio…and the stormers are hardly the benchmark

  • Comment 70, posted at 12.01.11 12:16:18 by Megatron Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 64) :
    You guys are confusing me – does Jake think he should stay or go? On Smit’s management till now I do agree – it could have been much better just as it will have to be very carefully done if he is to be successfully used in the world cup.

  • Comment 71, posted at 12.01.11 12:18:19 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 70) : well the stormers played in the final , where were the saders?????

  • Comment 72, posted at 12.01.11 12:19:13 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 61) : Sure :) I’d love to! What do I have to do?

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  • @Megatron (Comment 70) : Howzit Mega….I was wondering when you or grant10 will come and voice you opinions and love for Smit. :grin:

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 71) : Jake thinks John should retire,

    But if you read everything in context of what he said and how he said it etc,

    Jakes words “If I was coach I would beg John to Play”

    Read between the lines what you think he meant by that ?

  • Comment 75, posted at 12.01.11 12:24:35 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 74) : old skoppie , transie and a few others already getting the knickers in a twist on keo re John Smit :grin:

  • Comment 76, posted at 12.01.11 12:26:26 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • To me, there were three things that stood out at the last world cup, and which in my (not very informed, admittedly) opinion was instrumental in our succesful march to the trophy:
    1) The quietly efficient way that Butch James dictated play and consistently made the right decisions; personally, I thought he was the unsung hero of the world cup,
    2) The freakin’ magnificent try-saving tackle in the corner by JP Pietersen, which swung the momentum back towards us, and
    3) John Smit’s leadership, particularly the “Did you see the look in their eyes?” speech which preceded abovementioned tackle

    That one moment of inspiration fom John Smit was probably the turning point of our campaign, and franly, I would not want to go to the world cup without him.

    And now I want to hijack the thread and talk about JP. He has become simply one of the, if not the best defensive wing in world rugby. However, he seems to have lost his nose for the tryline. It seems to me, and this is a perception and may not be accurate, that his loss of try-scoring form coincided with his move from left- to right wing. Just thinking about it, I know the majority of people are right-handed, and tend to be more comfortable passing to the left (although at that level a person should be able to do both). I am curious if there is any evidence indicating that left wings score more tries, or have better strike rates than right wings? Certainly there are right wings who have score a lot of tries (Doug Howlett, Rico Gear), so I am not sure if there’s anything to my theory. Maybe some of the experts (e.g. Morne) would know if there is any anecdotal or statistical evidence to confirm/refute the above?

  • Comment 78, posted at 12.01.11 12:33:20 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 75) :
    OK time for me read the whole article at the times.

  • Comment 79, posted at 12.01.11 12:33:30 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • afternoon everyone :mrgreen:

    This is bad news really can’t they just wait until after the WC 2011 he did say if i’m correct that this is his last WC well lets just hope that the PDV doesn’t repeat history :evil:

  • Comment 80, posted at 12.01.11 12:34:40 by chaz Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 79) : :lol: it helps for sure :mrgreen:

  • Comment 81, posted at 12.01.11 12:35:36 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 78) : I think you are correct. I don’t have stats but I’m pretty sure that left wings score more often and the ‘better’ wing usually plays left wing.

  • Comment 82, posted at 12.01.11 12:37:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @chaz (Comment 80) : hello aunty chaz :mrgreen:

  • Comment 83, posted at 12.01.11 12:38:06 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @chaz (Comment 80) : by the way got our jerseys yesterday ;-)

  • Comment 84, posted at 12.01.11 12:38:46 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 84) : hi i got mine last week and my its great a tight fit but what and when i look at the white one its toooooo sexy to wear so i think i’m going for a black one and have the white one framed just waiting for Sally to get back from holiday so is she can get the black or white one signed then i’ll wear the one i got :mrgreen:

    now we must jsut wait for the rugby to begin :lol:

  • Comment 85, posted at 12.01.11 12:44:55 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 85) : :lol: i bought 2 black ones , but i feel like ordering the white one now

  • Comment 86, posted at 12.01.11 12:47:31 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @chaz (Comment 85) : and the rugga starts in 2 weeks time and i’ll be at both sharks games :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 87, posted at 12.01.11 12:49:23 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 86) : thats just how i felt had to have the white one but a sharks jersey is always Black and White so the black i must have ;-)

  • Comment 88, posted at 12.01.11 12:50:40 by chaz Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 87) : :evil: ;-)

    gee wish i could see the boys play

  • Comment 89, posted at 12.01.11 12:51:49 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 89) : thought i would rub it in :lol:

  • Comment 90, posted at 12.01.11 12:52:40 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 90) :

    gee thanks you are one great friend ;-)

  • Comment 91, posted at 12.01.11 12:56:22 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 91) : :roll: i try :mrgreen: :razz:

  • Comment 92, posted at 12.01.11 12:58:51 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 74) : ag, smit is a has-been…not the best hooker in the country and neither the best loosehead but it’s fine by me if the sharks want to play with a liability ;)

  • Comment 93, posted at 12.01.11 13:02:12 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 93) : You’re being nice today? What’s wrong? ;-)

  • Comment 94, posted at 12.01.11 13:04:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 93) : but must say he is the best Captain :mrgreen:

  • Comment 95, posted at 12.01.11 13:04:54 by chaz Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 94) : its his new year thing i suppose :mrgreen:

  • Comment 96, posted at 12.01.11 13:05:36 by chaz Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 94) : @chaz (Comment 95) : don’t feed the troll :)

  • Comment 97, posted at 12.01.11 13:07:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 97) :

    gee i nearlly did that Capital again :oops:

    no i won’t just trying to be nice :mrgreen:

    maybe his tree or bridge was washed away with all this raining in SA ;-)

  • Comment 98, posted at 12.01.11 13:18:10 by chaz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 97) : :lol: amen

  • Comment 99, posted at 12.01.11 13:19:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_ :mrgreen: lover (Comment 99) : read on the other thread of sharks training in Rustenburg :mrgreen: :mrgreen: thats my valley might just go and see and that is with my whaite jersey of course :lol:

  • Comment 100, posted at 12.01.11 13:24:48 by chaz Reply

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  • Ok its time to go

    cheers all and God Bless :mrgreen:

    And remember

    Black and White is all that matters ;-)

  • Comment 101, posted at 12.01.11 13:26:30 by chaz Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 94) : the rugby hasn’t started yet…wait and see :D

  • Comment 102, posted at 12.01.11 13:33:13 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 102) : Looking forward to it…..just remind me what team you are supporting this year? Still the ‘Saders?

  • Comment 103, posted at 12.01.11 13:43:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @chaz (Comment 98) : LOL :)

  • Comment 104, posted at 12.01.11 14:16:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • is Smit going to captain Sharks in Super 15?

  • Comment 105, posted at 12.01.11 16:09:20 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 105) : howzit TR :)

  • Comment 106, posted at 12.01.11 16:15:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • hi mate….what is TR?

  • Comment 107, posted at 12.01.11 16:18:46 by grant10 Reply

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  • I presume its for tyrannosaurus rex.

  • Comment 108, posted at 12.01.11 16:33:04 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 108) : oh….is that a good thing?

  • Comment 109, posted at 12.01.11 16:43:36 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 109) : don’t think so.

  • Comment 110, posted at 12.01.11 16:49:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 109) :
    I dont know – its the first thing that came to mind – but that would only apply to you if you were still stuck in your prehistoric view of 2010 that Smittie has none to offer.

  • Comment 111, posted at 12.01.11 16:55:30 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 111) : In TR’s defense, he did hold that view in 2009 as well as 2010. :wink: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 112, posted at 12.01.11 16:58:26 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 112) :
    I suspect that view will be held regardless of what Jon manages to do.

  • Comment 113, posted at 12.01.11 17:03:13 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • you guys are lame… it stands for Turbo Reverse, of course! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 114, posted at 12.01.11 17:09:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 114) : Thats plain nasty – painting the inventor of the bile with the same tinge of yellow/green – touche.

  • Comment 115, posted at 12.01.11 17:16:08 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 115) : who me? Nasty? Never!

    How do you know me, Salmo? :)

  • Comment 116, posted at 12.01.11 17:57:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 103) : mos def…like why wouldi change?

  • Comment 117, posted at 12.01.11 19:31:35 by Megatron Reply

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  • Does anyone perhaps know what has happened with finding a new sponsor to replace ABSA?

    Or are we going to leave it and the name of the Stadium as Kings Park now?

  • Comment 118, posted at 13.01.11 09:35:16 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 118) : we have a new sponsor lined up. They’re just taking forever to make the announcements, as usual.

    So, in short, don’t worry! But also, don’t ask :)

  • Comment 119, posted at 13.01.11 10:24:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 119) : No problem. Don’t ask, don’t tell. ;-)

  • Comment 120, posted at 13.01.11 10:32:25 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 119) : gumede stadium??? :twisted:

  • Comment 121, posted at 13.01.11 10:40:04 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 121) : That must be the new name for Ellis Park :twisted:

  • Comment 122, posted at 13.01.11 11:02:22 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • I see plumtree is furious at the disrespect that some people are giving Smith. He also indicated that the Boks told Smit to gain weight and the Sharks would never give such bad advice. He also alluded to the fact that Smit is going to be Captain for super rugby and oupa will be his deputy. Furthermore Plum said that John will play in all three positions. Then in a Seperate article he give his opinion about how for the first time the RWC will be won by the attacking team. Saying that the springboks must adapt or will fail and thinks that in the Tri-nations the Boks will be using ball in hand a bit more.

  • Comment 123, posted at 16.01.11 11:02:32 by Mocho Reply

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  • I also see the Lions got a huge sponsorship deal from mtn. That’s even more cash!

  • Comment 124, posted at 16.01.11 11:06:24 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 123) : Yes just read that in the Sunday Tribune. Well said there by Plum. Good on Plum to stand up for John.

    See Plum will be playing John in all positions in the front row. Also John will captain the Sharks in the S15.

    Pleased John will captain.

  • Comment 125, posted at 16.01.11 11:53:15 by Puma Reply

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