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8 Sharks invited to Baby Bok trials


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 13 Jan 2011 at 14:17
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SARU have announced a group of 39 players to attend SA Under 20 trials in Cape Town next week. Eight junior Sharks players have been included in the group.

What is perhaps even more exciting – as well as unusual – is that five of the Sharks players chosen are three-quarters, with three centres and two wings in the mix. This is quite a turnaround from the recent past where the Sharks Academy seemed to churn out quality forwards aplenty, but little representation amongst the backs.

The centres who performed so well for the Sharks at under 19 level last year, Piet Lindeque and Heimar Williams have both been selected, along with Grey sensation Paul Jordaan, who starts his studies at the Sharks Academy this year. The wings are former St Stithians boy Mandle Dube, who represented the Shakrs at under 19 level last year, as well as Hilton College’s massive Emil Schwarz.

The other three players are a trio of forwards who played for the under 19s last year – loosies Siseko Jafta and Marcell Coetzee, along with tightheadprop Nick Schonert. Sharksworld would like to congratulate all 39 lads selected for the trials and wish them good luck for next week.

Here is the full squad:

SA Under-20 Trials and Training Squad

Fullbacks
Jaco Taute Golden Lions
Ulrich Beyers Vodacom Blue Bulls
Wings
Wandile Mjekevu Golden Lions
Courtnall Skosana Vodacom Blue Bulls
Emil Schwarz The Sharks
Mandla Dube The Sharks
Centres
Francois Venter Vodacom Blue Bulls
Paul Jordaan The Sharks
Piet Lindeque The Sharks
Heimar Williams The Sharks
Andries Swanepoel Free State
Jan Serfontein Free State
Jacobus Lourens Platinum Leopards
Flyhalves
Garth April Golden Lions
Tony Jantjies Vodacom Blue Bulls
Scrumhalves
Ricky Schroeder DHL WP
Lohan Jacobs Vodacom Blue Bulls
Pieter Rademan Free State
Loose forwards
Arno Botha Vodacom Blue Bulls
Marcell Coetzee The Sharks
Siseko Jafta The Sharks
Cornell du Preez Platinum Leopards
Gabriel Strydom Platinum Leopards
Siya Kolisi DHL Western Province
Nizaam Carr DHL Western Province
Jean Cook Free State
Locks
Eben Etzebeth DHL Western Province
Wilhelm van der Slys DHL Western Province
Ruan Venter Golden Lions
Jose Julies Vodacom Blue Bulls
Hookers
Mbongeni Mbonambi Vodacom Blue Bulls
Bernard Van Heerden Free State
Bonga Ntubeni DHL Western Province
Props
Juan Schoeman Vodacom Blue Bulls
Stephan Kotze Free State
Wiseman Kamanga Lions
Frans Malherbe DHL Western Province
Nicholas Schonert The Sharks
Moshudu Masela Platinum Leopards


61 Comments

  • Well done fellas!!

    Great to see the Sharks represent!

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.01.11 14:20:21 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Hhmmm, interesting to see the names of Jaco Taute and Wandile Mjekevu on the list. I thought they would’ve been included in the Lions Super 15 squad and not be selected.

    Or are they and also selected for the u20s?

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.01.11 14:35:11 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • a little disappointed that two of the Green Machine’s finest aren’t there… Fred Z and Franna Kleinhans

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.01.11 14:35:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • Well done. I hope they all make it into the squad.

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.01.11 14:39:35 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Interesting to note that Theron did not select one single Griquas player…

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.01.11 14:39:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Thought Johan Goosen would be in this group? :shock:

    Or is he older than I thought?

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.01.11 14:57:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 6) : he is still serving his ban, maybe he will be included at a later stage

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.01.11 15:05:30 by war1 Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 6) :

    His ban runs until 31 January as far as I know..

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.01.11 15:11:33 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 7) : Looking at the 2 choices for flyhalf, one has to believe that Johan Goosen will be picked as soon as his ban ends.

    I think Paul Jordaan would make an excellent no.10 as well given the chance.

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.01.11 15:12:06 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : It’s hard to believe that Kleinhans isn’t in the mix.
    I noticed that quite a few players that weren’t in the original training camp that you reported on, were selected like Beyers of WP and Botha the Bulls captain. Do you know if other trials were held?

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.01.11 15:15:43 by beet Reply
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  • For anyone interested in schoolboy rugga, watch out for Jan Serfontein (and his centre partner Dries Swanepoel)of Grey Bloem. Both of these big boys are still at school. Serfontein (1.90m, 100kg) is a highly rated player and will no doubt be a very sort after signature for various academies next year.

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.01.11 15:20:23 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 10) : well – there was a bigger group that went for testing.

    I’ve heard Franna got injured… might explain his omission.

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.01.11 15:29:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet: move over sbw! Jan serfontein is heading to a rugby field near you!
    Okay,I don’t know how good this kid can play,but I hope the sharks get him (on your recommendation,sir :-) ).will off-set the loss of howard (big centre).
    What happened to the craven week capt(small-smith) that he can be leapfrogged by some many other centres?

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.01.11 17:57:35 by bergshark Reply

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  • 4 grey bloem centres (shock!)!

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.01.11 17:59:54 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 13) : good question actually…. re Small-Smith, I mean

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.01.11 18:00:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 13) : @robdylan (Comment 15) : The last I heard Small-Smith was part of the Sevens Academy along with 2 other exciting SA schools players Barry and Mbovane. I think this is the reason for the 3 being omitted.

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.01.11 18:08:57 by beet Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 14) : Bergshark, there are 5 Grey Bloem centres. Francois Venter, Lindeque, Jordaan and the 2 schoolboys.

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.01.11 18:10:44 by beet Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 13) : You don’t have to go on my word Bergshark. Grey Bloem are back at the Kearsney Festival this Easter again. You should come along and become a primary witness to his potential. Also Paarl Gym, Monument, Selborne, Dale, Glenwood and a couple of decent Highveld schools like EG Jansen and Helpmekaar will be there. You really need to make a plan if it isn’t already part of your holiday programme.

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.01.11 18:14:47 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan: hope he didn’t do his supplement shopping @ the same place goosen did lol
    Small-smith just looked small to me..what are the physical stats on the rest of the centres in the group (serfontein being 1.90m 100kg )?
    We’ve looked a bit “frail” physically @ recent u20 world champs..could this be the reason(ie,going for big,strong running centres)?
    Or maybe he is just injured?

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.01.11 18:20:51 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet: re: where is small-smith? Thanks for the info on him..know he was highly thought of last year but I prefered paul jordaan all along (if given a choice of only signing one centre @2010 cw ,he wouldve been my choice..even ahead of howard)

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.01.11 18:24:47 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet: 5 centres in u20 training squad from one school is unreal!

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.01.11 18:27:02 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 20) : he’s gone to the Bulls

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.01.11 18:28:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet: will sure try and and be @kearsney for the rugby.

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.01.11 18:30:12 by bergshark Reply

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  • Mbovane is that dangerous stepper from wp? That kid has heaps of talent as well.

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.01.11 18:31:26 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 21) : In Bloem they probably think it’s par for the course. I’ve just read on another website that Serfontein is also the Grey Bloem headboy this year.

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.01.11 18:31:53 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan: thanks. Interesting that he decided to go up north .

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.01.11 18:35:05 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet: serfontein is starting to sound like the type of player and person that the sharks must definetely sign .
    Not just a star schoolboy rugby player but also head boy of a school as prestigious as grey bloem.
    Andries strauss is also a former grey bloem head boy..

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.01.11 18:44:43 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 27) : we need to be careful not to flood the system with too many juniors that all pay the same position. I think it’s safe to say that the Sharks are on the verge of “over correcting” for running out of centres. Let’s let Williams, Jenner, Lindeque, Mnisi, Pretorius, Fisher and Jordaan show what they can do before we start bringing in yet another crop of even younger centres.

    We need to start getting in more wings and fullbacks now… we have plenty props (and some more good ones coming through in Tallycat, van Dyk and the like), locks and loosies.

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.01.11 19:08:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • flyhalves as well, come to think of it… Fred Z and Gavin Hauptfleisch in addition to Lambie, Cronje, Olivier, Nakin and du Plessis.

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.01.11 19:08:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : I’m getting the impression that the Sharks are light on locks. After Ali, Sykesie, Skeate and Bressler, who is there? More likely I am just misinformed.

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.01.11 19:24:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 30) : Other than locks, I feel the Sharks have excellent depth and youngsters in all other positions. In my opinion anyway, and that is observing from several thousands of kilometers away.

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.01.11 19:27:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : Good news! Serfontein plays wing as well.
    Jokes. I hear what you’re saying and it makes a lot of sense. One sees this so often. An oversupply of talent in a certain possie and a shortage in another. I can’t help but refer back to WP’s centres vs our hookers as an example of this.
    But with only 5 big Rugby Unions for a good player to join unless these 5 Unions get together and hash out a kind of drafting policy, it’s always going to be a case of every Union for themselves and rather we get a guy like Serfontein than 1 of the other 4 unions get him, irrespective of most urgent needs.

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.01.11 19:31:28 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan: you are right.it is jus that we always need to recruit for the u19 sharks each year (and it is also not always a given that local talent will stay in kzn ,ie peter grant and pat howard ).so we might as well go after the best u18 talent to bolster the u19 sharks team.

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.01.11 19:36:48 by bergshark Reply

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  • Don’t they say you can’t have too many tightheads?

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.01.11 19:39:40 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan: this is going to be a big year for the centres (in the sense of procuring sharks contracts).
    Riaan swanepoel,jerome pretorius,howard mnisi,dwayne jenner all need to show what they can do.
    Don’t know how many senior sharks contracts will be on offer in centre position.

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.01.11 19:46:09 by bergshark Reply

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  • And must also take into account the budget when giving out senior contracts because lindeque should get one @end of his u21 days ,ie end 2012 (but I feel sooner than that if given opportunities with the “big boys”).
    And then there is also heimar williams to consider.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.01.11 19:49:39 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet: intrigued with your remark of paul jordaan also having the ability to become a good flyhalf.

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.01.11 19:51:20 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 30) : Jandre and Peet Marais, Kene Okafor, Johan Schoonbie and Mike Williams are the next in line. Most of them have been in Baby Bok contention

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.01.11 19:53:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 32) : well – just looking at Serfontein as an example – surely the presence of Jordaan, Williams and Lindeque in the Sharks setup would be a serious disincentive for him to sign there?

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.01.11 19:54:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan: hope to see schoonbee get some quality game time this year.

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.01.11 19:55:21 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan: 4 quality centres to battle it out and keep pushing each other for starting spots.

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.01.11 19:58:00 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet: is serfontein an outside centre?

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.01.11 19:59:24 by bergshark Reply

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  • Robdylan: scrumhalves?

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.01.11 20:00:56 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : So where do you see the Sharks weaknesses in depth then? 9 and 10?

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.01.11 20:07:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 42) : Bergshark when I watched him, he played 13, but I know he’s had to play wing for Grey Bloem most of the season coz of Jordaan and Small-Smith. I imagine he’ll be at 13 this year but again even the GCB insiders weren’t sure whether Dries Swanepoel should play 13. I’ll try to find out. But long story short, he’s a very capable no.13.

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.01.11 20:14:26 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : Rob, again what you say makes sense. But I think wherever you go, you’re going to be up against stiff compo initially. However if you’re the best, it’s irrelevant how good the compo is. For example if I were an agent for a prospective loosie at the beginning of 2010, I would have said “Ya go to Dbn! With only Kleinhans, Jafta and Coetzee, you’ll cruise into the team”. But guess which loosefwds came good last year. The truth is as good as they are, very few junior players will make the Sharks proper, even fewer the Boks. I guess as a youngster you have to back yourself. Obviously there are a bunch of non-rugby related factors which help juniors make up their minds as well.

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.01.11 20:31:48 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : I loved to hear from rugby experts who they rate as the Marais brother with better potential. Jandre is broader and heavier. Peet is noticeably taller.

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.01.11 21:00:19 by beet Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 44) : wing and fullback. Maybe also blindside flank…

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.01.11 21:17:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 47) : I just love the fact that there’s a pair of brothers, so similar in age, who form such a natural lock combination. It would be absolutely awesome if they could go on to represent the Sharks side-by-side in years to come. Fairytale stuff.

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.01.11 21:19:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) : Is Downey coming back to the Sharks? He seems capable of playing 6 or 7.

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.01.11 21:22:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I reckon we need to do a double interview with them… will try get Rich to track them down

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.01.11 21:24:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : Whoever the interview is with, it invariably ends up being well worth the read. I’m always keen to find out who these youngsters rate as their most difficult opponents esp. tightforwards where their battles with opposite numbers seem more direct coz of the setpieces.

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.01.11 21:44:04 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan: forget bout wynand pienaar and earlier reports of him seen as a potential 13 .any news on if w pienaar will continue to be seen as a 13 (from what was said,his high school position),or will he go back to 15 for vc team and u21?

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.01.11 22:14:20 by bergshark Reply

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  • If serfontein can play wing and has been playing it for awhile,should we @sharks not try and get him as wing/outside centre ?
    @robdylan: wing/outside centre : can you remember ronnie cooke (currently @brive on the wing,was outside centre @ griquas and for cheetahs in super14)?think the sharks should look @ him .

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.01.11 22:19:15 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan:perhaps sharksworld should look to create the best and most up-to-date inventory of u18 – u21 players in sa..

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.01.11 22:29:46 by bergshark Reply

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  • Ouch

    oh my what bodys :mrgreen:

    Thanks KSA this thread is great :mrgreen:

    Oh and morning everyone

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.01.11 08:47:59 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 56) : :oops:

    sorry wrong thread i don’t know what happen just jumped from one to the other :oops:

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.01.11 08:50:03 by chaz Reply

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  • hope they make the bok team

    it just show ‘s on we have great players coming through :mrgreen:

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.01.11 08:51:26 by chaz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) :

    Rob please help why can’t i edit on SW it just gives me a black page :???:

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.01.11 08:52:42 by chaz Reply

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  • Additions to SA U20 Trialists squad

    SA Under-20 coach Dawie Theron on Friday added DHL Western Province’s Sam Lane, Jaco van Tonder (The Sharks) and Bradley Moolman (Vodacom Blue Bulls) to his 39-man group for the SA Under-20 trials next week.

    The three utility backs competed in last year’s Absa Under-19 and Under-21 Championships for their respective unions and comes into the squad as cover for the players who will not be attending the camp in Cape Town.

    Lane, Van Tonder and Moolman will act as cover for the talented Grey College centre pairing of Jan Serfontein and Andries Swanepoel who will also not arrive with the rest of the group on Monday. Fullback Jaco Taute and winger Wandile Mjekevu will be absent on Vodacom Super Rugby duty with the Lions. Serfontein and Swanepoel remain in contention for selection for the final squad.

    Theron also added promising SA Under-18 High Performance scrumhalf Kevin Luiters to the squad. The former Free State Under-18 scrumhalf who competed during last year’s Coca Cola Under-18 Craven Week takes the place of former SA Schools captain Pieter Rademan who was withdrawn from the Trials due to personal reasons.

    The Under-20 trialists will be put through a series of trial games in preparation for the 2011 IRB Junior World Championship which takes place in Italy in June.

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.01.11 15:49:16 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @chaz (Comment 59) : for some reason it’s not working propery in Internet Explorer.

    I’m sort of looking into it… Sort of.

    If you use another browser (my recommendation is Google Chrome) it works perfectly still

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