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History points to Bulls, Sharks for Super success


Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Original Content, Super Rugby on 14 Jan 2011 at 09:31
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If history is anything to go by, the South African challenge for the new Super 15 trophy will be a 3-horse race.

‘Tell me something I don’t know,’ I hear you say, but upon looking at the new format, I realised that South African results achieved in South Africa will become hugely important in this year’s competition.

By now I guess we all have a basic understanding of the format of the competition – if not, let me give you a quick overview.

In total all teams will play 16 games in the round robin stages, from a South African perspective, 12 of those 16 games will be played in South Africa. Of those 12, 8 will be played at each franchises home ground.

For example, the Sharks will play 12 games within South African borders this year. Eight (8) of those games will be played in Durban (each SA franchises once and 4 games against NZ/OZ teams).  The remaining 4 will be played in Cape Town (Stormers), Bloemfontein (Cheetahs), Johannesburg (Lions) and Pretoria (Bulls).

That means a total of 75% of games they (and any other SA franchise) will play, will be in South Africa!

This prompted me to look back in history a bit, and look at each team’s record against every other SA franchise, home and away, and their overall record of home games played.

For the purpose of the exercise, I did not go back more than 4 years in the local derbies, as that would have meant totally different teams and players almost, but as for overall home records against all teams, I took their entire history into consideration.

The local derby records are somewhat predictable as you would imagine, with the Bulls leading the pack by some margin. Their home and away records against all SA franchises in the past 4 years reads 88% win records home and away, with their only away loss coming last year when their second string outfit lost in Cape Town, and their only home loss coming in 2008 with the Sharks beating them in Pretoria.

The Sharks follow the reigning Super rugby champions with a home record of 63% of games won against other SA teams where losses in Durban in the last 4 years coming against the Bulls (twice) and Cheetahs. Amazingly, they have a better record at other venues in SA with a record of 75% of games won elsewhere in South Africa, only losing in Pretoria and Bloemfontein once in the last 4 years.

The bridesmaids, or Stormers, stumbles into 3rd position, winning 63% of their home games against other SA teams but only managing to win 38% of their away games against other SA franchises. A frightening statistic if you are a Stormers fan is that they have not managed to win in Durban or Pretoria in the last 4 years and only managed to beat the Cheetahs once in Bloemfontein.

As for the Lions… Well let’s just say that their only success against other SA teams in the last 4 years was when they hosted, or travelled to the home of the Cheetahs, with the latter also coming in well under the 50% margin success rates on both counts.

Respectively, with overall (home and away) records against other SA franchises the Bulls (88%) and Sharks (69%) stands head and shoulders above the rest. The Stormers with 51% might upset the applecart to knock one of those two teams off the top 2 spots in the conference, but that is only going to happen if the Cheetahs repeat recent results and upset the boys from Durban.

Another influencing factor will also be how each SA franchise does against the 4 NZ and OZ teams they will face at their home grounds.

When it comes to overall home ground success percentages, the race is surprisingly closer between SA franchises. The Sharks and Bulls are again leading but amazingly, they are inseparable with both teams winning a total of 60% of their matches at home since the start of the Super rugby competition.

The Stormers are not far behind with an overall home record of 56%. So in view of that, who these three franchises will face on tour and when NZ/OZ teams tour South Africa, might make a massive difference in the overall standings of the local conference log.

As with the local derby records, the Lions (34%) and Cheetahs (39%) is not really worth mentioning other than the possibility that they might help one of the top 3 franchises.

So if you are a betting man, history shows the smart money is on the Bulls and Sharks to make it through to the 6-team play-off stages. But then, when it comes to South African derbies, which will make up 50% of matches played, history means very little…



87 Comments

  • Very interesting arti with interesting stats..but like you said,history means very little in derbies

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.01.11 09:43:14 by bergshark Reply
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  • Interesting stuff. I still fear that SA might only have one team in the final 6 because off the derbies where anything can and probably will happen. Australia might get 3 teams in if the Force and Rebels play terrible rugby. It’s going to be very interesting. The Cheetah’s and resurging Lions might cause a couple of upsets along the way. I’m just hoping that the local derbies don’t cause too many injuries along the way.

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.01.11 09:43:39 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I really like stats, thanx for that Morne!

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.01.11 09:44:50 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I really hope the Lions and Cheetah’s can beat some overseas opposition this year but if you listen to what Naka said in the press they are probably going to target the local games to win. :roll:

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.01.11 09:45:43 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Something Positive thanx guys.

    The CC final is just about forgotten in Cape Town. Sharks are mentioned as possible outsiders to make that coveted 2nd spot but stormers are confident they`ll be able to shut the Sharks out.

    Our dismal 2010 super 14 and lack of backline depth are their main arguments.

    While I still maintain we were on the receiving end of some very dubious ref calls last year I can`t really argue too much when it comes to our outside backs. Sure we are sorted at wing and flyhalf but in between is a concern.

    Guess we shouldn`t have allowed Strauss to go, but even with him the troubles at 13 would`ve been exposed.

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.01.11 09:53:38 by Original Champion Reply
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  • Great read morne but this means nothing we have a new team that must go out and do the job! A new era for sharks rugby I think.

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.01.11 10:04:28 by Ben Reply
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  • With the new format one has to go with the Bulls & Sharks from SA.

    Stormers should ask to be in the NZ conference. They’ll win that one. :twisted:

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.01.11 10:09:19 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 7) : They have been good overseas lately . . .

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.01.11 10:21:31 by Original Champion Reply
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  • This barmy tournament format means you can send a second-string squad on tour and throw all four games and still be in with a shot if you can win all your games in SA

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.01.11 10:30:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) :

    Didn’t want to mention it in the article as I wanted to keep it ‘positive’ but that is exactly what I will do, without a shadow of a doubt.

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.01.11 10:32:12 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : rob, who decided on the playoff contenders underneath the super 15 log??

    no bulls, waratahs or crusaders??? :roll:

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.01.11 10:33:02 by VanWilder Reply

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  • Mountain Goats and Sharks to go through.

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.01.11 10:39:54 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : Good observation.

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.01.11 10:44:19 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : @Morné (Comment 10) : Wouldn’t that hamper your chances of playing at home in the knock out stage?

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.01.11 10:48:56 by McLovin Reply

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  • In terms of the RWC, are these derby matches beneficial to the Boks, or detrimental? In SA rugby, our teams used a lot of varied game plans, Thus exposing us to different styles of rugby. The new laws that were implemented last year, one with think after the All Black performance, playing the Kiwi or even Aussie teams will enable the South African teams to test their game plans against the Masters of running rugby. Instead we play a sort of CC, with a few overseas games.

    In one way we will be able to settle the Bok team by putting the hopeful Bok players against each other. Then again we limiting the time we play in NZ, which could have been an advantage in the RWC given the Stormers/Bulls/Sharks win ratio there recently. Guess there’s two sides of the coin.

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.01.11 10:51:06 by Mocho Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 14) :

    In the last two years (tournaments), 3 out of the 4 semi-finalists lost 4 out of the 13 games they played.

    Given the Super 15 adds 3 more games in the round-robin stages (total of 16 games played) teams that lose 4, or even 6 games can very well end up in the final 6 and there anything can happen.

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.01.11 10:51:30 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 16) : What do you mean anything can happen? With the travel involved, you pretty much want to have a home final. When last did a final of teams from different countries have a loss for the home side?

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.01.11 10:54:27 by klempie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 16) : I get that, but being in the top 6 is very different from being in the top two/three and playing at home in the knock out stage. How often do teams win away semis or finals? :smile:

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.01.11 10:55:20 by McLovin Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 17) : I agree. In Super rugby a home semi and final is hugely important!

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.01.11 10:56:10 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Aus flying in the T20 btw.

    49/1 after 5 overs.

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.01.11 10:58:35 by McLovin Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 17) : @McLovin (Comment 18) :

    Apart from OZ, SA is in the unique position where the top 2 positions will only be contested by 3 teams.

    NZ’s conference is hell of a tough, with any team (with the exception of the HIghlanders arguably) able to beat any other team, on any given day.

    That means the overall conference logs in SA, and OZ might just see them on quite a number of points higher than the NZ teams.

    Remember 50% of round robin games are local derbies!

    If the Bulls, Stormers and Sharks for the sake of argument win all their home & away derbies, with the exception of those against each other (away), they would all end up on 20 log points already (4 points for 5 games won) which excludes any bonus points.

    Given all 3 teams overall home record (around 60%) there is another minimum of 8 points (excluding any bonus points) possibly 12.

    You would also expect each of these teams to at least win 1 game overseas, minimum 2.

    Being conservative, this will see each of these 3 teams in the lower to mid-40′s.

    Personally I expect them to easily end up in the higher to mid-50′s as I do not think the Sharks or Bulls are going to drop more than 2 game at home out of 8 played, or any more than 4 games in total of games played in South Africa (12).

    Add a conservative 2 wins overseas (which our teams have been achieving quite easily in the last couple of years) and I reckon, NZ are going to be in serious shit, not SA or OZ.

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.01.11 11:11:49 by Morné Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 20) : T20? :???:

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.01.11 11:15:37 by klempie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 21) : I think Aus will have it best…but home semi’s and finals are crucial in Super rugby

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.01.11 11:17:42 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 21) : Too much maths this time of the morning. I’ll just ake your word for it. :???:

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.01.11 11:17:53 by klempie Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 11) : it is automated, but obviously means nothing while all the teams are stuck on 0 points. Once the log gets updated after round 1, that will show the actual contenders.

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.01.11 11:19:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 10) : mate, you and I both know that that’s EXACTLY what the Cheetahs are going to be doing.

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.01.11 11:20:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 14) : in fact, quite the opposite… if you throw all your energy into beating the other SA contenders, you stand a better chance of winning the conference, I’d say.

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.01.11 11:21:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 21) : Will they still win two, or any, overseas games with a 2nd string?

    Only one team can have a home final, so irrespective of how many points you get in your conference, you need to end top of the pile to be first.

    Thus if Sharks and Bulls are miles ahead of the others on the log, their is still a race between the two of them for top spot and a possible home final.

    And this is were away (overseas) games might prove vital. So maybe not such a good idea to ‘throw’ overseas matches by sending a 2nd string.

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.01.11 11:22:09 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : Yes but may lose out top spot to the winners of the other conferences.

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.01.11 11:23:39 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 29) : conference winners play at home in the knock outs regardless.

    First round, at least

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.01.11 11:26:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 22) : Ja. :twisted:

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.01.11 11:26:25 by McLovin Reply

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  • good morning everyone

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.01.11 11:27:38 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Oh no!!! Why does it seem like I’m the only person who still doesn’t understand how this new format will work :’(

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.01.11 11:28:53 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 33) : I’m slowly coming around…I almost understand it now…I think

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.01.11 11:31:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : I’m talking about the next round. i.e. It doesn’t matter if you win your SA conference, but are placed lower on the overall log than say the NZ conference winners because you sent a second string side overseas. If they win their semi and you win yours, you’re STILL going to have to fly to NZ for a final.

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.01.11 11:31:42 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 35) : My point exactly. Sort of. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.01.11 11:35:57 by McLovin Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 35) : ja ok, fair enough. But if we’re talking the Cheetahs here, I don’t think they’re realistically trying to win he bloody thing. They just want to make sure they don’t end last in the SA conference and suffer the potential repercussions…

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.01.11 11:38:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • with the Bulls leading the pack by some margin. Their home and away records against all SA franchises in the past 4 years reads 88% win records home and away, with their only away loss coming last year when their second string outfit lost in Cape Town, and their only home loss coming in 2008 with the Sharks beating them in Pretoria.

    The Sharks follow the reigning Super rugby champions with a home record of 63% of games won against other SA teams where losses in Durban in the last 4 years coming against the Bulls (twice) and Cheetahs. Amazingly, they have a better record at other venues in SA with a record of 75% of games won elsewhere in South Africa, only losing in Pretoria and Bloemfontein once in the last 4 years.

    That doesn’t compute? If we only lost in PTA once in the last 4 years, then how did the Bulls have the only home loss to the Sharks in 2008? :?: :?:

    (I am tired so I may have this wrong) :razz:

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.01.11 11:45:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 38) :

    Okay answered my own question. :oops: I’m thinking along the lines of haome and away each season already. As opposed to playing home and away in alternating years.

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.01.11 11:48:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 28) :

    I think the point is, at least for my money, that SA (and Oz) has a better chance of getting 3 teams in the top 6, than NZ.

    Sharks have the Force, Rebels, Chiefs and Crusaders on tour, out of that, I would bank on beating both Ozzie teams, and give them a more than average chance of beating the Chiefs.

    They host the Blues, Hurricanes, Brumbies and Tahs at home – the stronger overseas teams.

    Bulls play Hurricanes, Crusaders, Reds and Force overseas, with a possible 8 point return from that (4 minimum).

    They host the Highlanders, Chiefs, Rebels and Waratahs at home, of which a minimum 12 point return is what I expect, but more likely 16 points with likely 2 to 3 bonus points added to that.

    Stormers host the Highlanders, Force, Reds, Crusaders, 3 wins minimum.

    They travel to the Chiefs, the Blues, Brumbies and Rebels, 2, possibly 3 wins.

    So Sharks 3 overseas wins, 3 home wins against overseas teams (imo), and 6 wins from local derbies only dropping points away to Bulls and Stormers possibly gives them 12 out of 16 wins.

    Bulls dropping 2 games against overseas teams, and possibly one against Sharks in DBN, puts them in the same bracket.

    Stormers dropping 5 games out of 16 and you start getting the picture of what faces the NZ teams specifically, who apart from the Saders, can hope for a 50% return in their local derbies with their best team, Crusaders, having to play last year’s finalist in the Republic, and the Ozzies best team, Tahs, having to face both Bulls and Sharks in SA…

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.01.11 11:48:48 by Morné Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 38) : It doesn’t add up. The Sharks would have played 2 games at loftus in 4 years

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.01.11 11:52:18 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 40) :
    only dropping points away to Bulls and Stormers

    :?: :?: :?: :shock: :shock: :shock: Bwhahahahahahaha

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.01.11 11:54:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 40) : I thought you were sending 2nd string sides on tour? If you send 2nd string sides overseas, not only will you be dropping points you will be gifting overseas sides points. And potentially lose out on a home final.

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.01.11 11:55:50 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 41) :

    Actually you are right.

    The Bulls have lost to us TWICE in PTA in the last 4 years. 2008 & 2007.

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.01.11 11:57:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Back in 20min.

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 44) :

    Ignore me, I’m tired and i’m going to bed. :razz: :oops:

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.01.11 12:01:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 41) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 42) :

    Nee donner manne hou by.

    The last time these two teams met in DBN, 2007 and 2009, the Sharks lost.

    In 2008, the Sharks won (in PTA) but lost last year 2010 (in PTA).

    Against the Cheetahs, the Sharks won one, and lost one at both DBN and Bloem.

    They have a 100% record against the Stormers, and Lions, home and away.

    The Bulls, in the last 4 years only lost one game at home (Sharks in 2008) and one away (Stormers last year)…

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.01.11 12:03:27 by Morné Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 44) :

    Their LAST 4 games played.

    Sharks lost 3, won one (in PTA in 2008).

    In 2007 in the round robin stages, you played them in DBN and WON, but that is the 5th game down the list…

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.01.11 12:06:10 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 47) : Ag sorry man…dit moet die rugby onttrekking wees wat my dom maak! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.01.11 12:08:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I know you guys are trying to erase the 2007 final from memory but at some time you will have to admit it did happen! :twisted:

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.01.11 12:08:35 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 50) : :middle finger: :wink:

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.01.11 12:12:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 43) :

    Squads are 28 to about 30 players, not 44!

    Tours will give you opportunity to rest key players, or rotate players, and given the depth of the Bulls and Sharks specifically, I will bank on their ‘second’ string side getting the points I mentioned above.

    In somet instances, I will even leave some key guys at home for the whole tour…

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.01.11 12:17:29 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 52) : Hope you’re right.

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.01.11 12:24:06 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 51) : mlm <—- is more effective. :razz:

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.01.11 12:26:00 by klempie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 50) : mlm

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.01.11 12:27:19 by klempie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 52) : Like chilliboy and Bjorn when they`re found guilty . .. :twisted:

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.01.11 12:27:25 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 52) :

    So are your top 6

    Bulls
    Sharks
    Stormers
    Tahs
    Reds
    Crusaders

    i guess it depends on how hopeless McQueens boys are !

    I think the Blues may make it, i think the kiwi teams, highlanders included, can do ok on the road !

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 57) :

    Blues has a good draw…

    Saders face SA’s top 3 teams.

    Chiefs might surprise us, they face two of our top 3 at home.

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.01.11 12:34:03 by Morné Reply
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  • Blues miss the Bulls altogether and play Stormers at home…

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.01.11 12:34:57 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 59) : good day morne , the beer is getting warm :roll: :lol:

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.01.11 12:38:34 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 52) : Thanks for this good article and feedback. The Lions and Cheetahs have not been good travelers abroad over the years and they’ve lost momentum and motivation as a result of this, making them softer targets for teams with more to play for. I believe that their dynamics will change with this new format and the conference results could be more closely aligned with the C/Cup, which often turns out to be a dogfight until the very end.
    Do you perhaps have the stats for the last 4 years of home and away C/Cup matches to use as a basis for predicting how the conference might end up?

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.01.11 12:39:29 by beet Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 52) : The playing of overseas teams may be the perfect opportunity to alternate between Bissy and John Smit perhaps? Leave Bissy at home, give John the start and Craig Burden on the bench.

  • Comment 62, posted at 14.01.11 12:48:34 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 61) : Keep in mind that a lot of the CC is played without the Boks, which helps the Cheets and Lions.

  • Comment 63, posted at 14.01.11 12:50:23 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 57) : “… , highlanders included, can do ok on the road !” – ever the optimist :smile:

  • Comment 64, posted at 14.01.11 12:51:26 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 61) :

    2010:

    Sharks played 14, lost 4 (all away against Griquas, Blue Bulls, Lions & WP)

    Blue Bulls played 14, lost 5 (Sharks, WP, Pumas, Cheetahs) all away and at home to the Cheetahs.

    WP played 14, lost 4 (Sharks, Lions, Blue Bulls) all away, and lost one at home to the Cheetahs.

    Cheetahs played 14, lost 4 (WP, Sharks) at home, (Lions, Sharks) away.

    Lions played 14, lost 7. Of the major teams;

    Against WP, won at home, lost away
    Sharks, won at home, lost away
    Cheetahs, won at home, lost away
    Blue Bulls, lost both home and away.

    Sharks got perfect home record, Blue Bulls, Lions and WP each dropped one at home (against major teams), Cheetahs dropped 2 at home.

    WP struggles in DBN and PTA as they always do.

    Sharks struggle in the midlands as they always do and in PTA.

    Bulls hate the States!!!

  • Comment 65, posted at 14.01.11 13:03:12 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 65) : The Sharks seem to have gotten the Cheetah bogey of their back in the last 2 years.

  • Comment 66, posted at 14.01.11 13:14:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • is there going to be a log for 1 – 15 ? if there is, does anyone know where the cheethas and lions are hoping to finish on the consolidated log?

  • Comment 67, posted at 14.01.11 13:26:06 by prgdad Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 66) : BITE YOUR TONGUE!

    Don’t you remember the Super 14 game last year?

  • Comment 68, posted at 14.01.11 13:29:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @prgdad (Comment 67) : to be honest, I don’t think they care. They just want to be above each other.

  • Comment 69, posted at 14.01.11 13:29:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 34) : lucky you man I’m still working my way around the play off issue! That’s the part that boggles the mind ,someone please help me! :(

  • Comment 70, posted at 14.01.11 13:33:51 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 70) : what don’t you get?

  • Comment 71, posted at 14.01.11 13:48:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • reading in news24 the stomers/weepee have won the super15 and currie cup already

  • Comment 72, posted at 14.01.11 14:39:57 by pete69 Reply

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  • @pete69 (Comment 72) : good for them. They always win lots of trophies at this stage of the season

  • Comment 73, posted at 14.01.11 14:54:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 68) : I remember all too well.Stupid ref :evil:

  • Comment 74, posted at 14.01.11 15:02:35 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 68) : That the game where the Bunny chow Kaplan had the previous day caught up with him :mrgreen:

  • Comment 75, posted at 14.01.11 15:04:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 68) : This time the Sharks have 2 flyhalves for the game :wink:

  • Comment 76, posted at 14.01.11 15:04:42 by Pokkel Reply
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  • http://download.safeshop.co.za/Products/Images/500163/Thumb_500163_11411537.jpg

    Look what i found

  • Comment 77, posted at 14.01.11 16:15:17 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @pete69 (Comment 72) :
    This is a good thing, it should be encouraged.

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.01.11 16:38:18 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I just phoned my dad in SA and he said that he’d heard from a friend that Beast was staying, but bismark and jannie were leaving and going to the lions. I didn’t think there was any truth to this, so can someone reaffirm that this was jsut a bad rumour

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.01.11 18:16:12 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : the whole thing about wild cards and who gets to the playoffs and who could miss the playoffs even if they finish 3rd the whole conference thing also :( starting to feel stupid now

  • Comment 80, posted at 14.01.11 18:50:53 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 80) :

    Here you go.

    Read this and if you have any questions ask and I’ll help.

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2010/09/13/how-it-works-s15/

  • Comment 81, posted at 14.01.11 18:57:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Super Bru is open guys… any news on a pool?

  • Comment 82, posted at 15.01.11 10:02:03 by Farlington Reply

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  • So the Lions said in of the media publications that by yesterday they would confirm is Beast is going up North or staying in Dbn. They gone a bit quiet now. . . :) still have not heard a thing from them.

  • Comment 83, posted at 15.01.11 10:29:05 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 83) : maybe there is nothing to announce :lol:

  • Comment 84, posted at 15.01.11 11:50:10 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 82) : and 6 N I think is also open.

  • Comment 85, posted at 15.01.11 12:52:09 by rekinek Reply
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  • Using the last 5 years of C/Cup round robin matches & excl semis and finals still has the Sharks on top. Obviously there was a valid point above about the Boks not always being involved in the C/Cup.
    TEAM WIN LOSE PTS_F PTS_A PT_DIF WIN %
    SHARKS 25 15 995 872 123 63%
    CHEETAH 21 19 991 923 68 53%
    WP 20 20 854 911 -57 50%
    BULLS 19 21 979 909 70 48%
    LIONS 15 25 831 1035 -204 38%

  • Comment 86, posted at 15.01.11 12:55:01 by beet Reply
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  • Is it cold in Jhb? Why are all the Indians wearing over grown vests?

  • Comment 87, posted at 15.01.11 20:17:09 by Mocho Reply

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