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Super Rugby Preview: The Stormers


Written by Pierre Teich (Original Pierre)

Posted in :Original Content, Stormers, Super Rugby on 20 Jan 2011 at 12:40
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Absolute heartbreak, two words define the stormers season of 2010. The question on everyone`s lips, who lives in the shadow of the mountain, is simply this: Can they go one better in 2011?

Reaching the finals last year came as a bit of a surprise to friend and foe alike. Yes we all talked about their new backline stars but did we really believe they can go almost all the way? After all, for super rugby success you need a bit more than a flashy backline. The Stormers have always lacked the quality forwards needed in this competition, don`t get me wrong they do have some stars in the pack, but depth and particularly the front row has always been a bit of a problem for them.
Not anymore says coach Coetzee. “ I am very pleased with the way that Rassie has recruited “ . . .

No doubt he`s referring to CJ van der Linde, roped in to beef up the pack. But don`t discount the contribution of Brok Harris. Solid enough at tighthead but it`s in the loose where he really adds value, not unlike a certain Adrian Garvey . . .

They have a bit of an advantage in super rugby 2011. A bit more depth with the likes of JJ Engelbrecht and Elgar Watts in their ranks but also a fit, well rested Schalk Burger and Andries Bekker. Remember they both missed the Bok end of year tour in 2010.

They were one of the best defensive sides in SA last year and have an embarrassment of riches in midfield. Seems coach Allister Coetzee`s biggest headache, barring serious injuries, would be where to select all his stars?
They have a very favourable draw this year as well. Yes they have that obscure Bye in round one and they go on tour fairly late in the tournament but the fact that they won`t face the Hurricanes, a bit of a bogey side for them because of their similar playing style and the Waratah`s would help them. The Waratah`s are widely tipped as the strongest Australian contender this year, the Stormers will just slip past them and where other contenders face a potential loss they can pick up an extra try bonus point against teams like the Blues, Force and Rebels.

They have the dreaded Crusader match in the Magical Mothercity as well.

Die hard Stormers will tell you their biggest gain is one of their losses, that`s right I`m referring to Naqalivuki who cost them in crucial situations.

Despite all these points in their favour they will have to do the hard yards against the local opposition. WP supporters loathe to remember a certain currie cup fixture they lost against Free State, at Newlands last season and they also lost away against the lowly Lions.

True they now have a better distributor than Willem at pivot but what they gain on the attack they might lose in kicking accuracy. Would Peter Grant offer the same reliable boot? Then there is the depth conundrum, all their talent lies out wide, they don`t have experienced backup at flyhalf. Lionel Cronje will get his first bite at the cherry , ditto Elgar Watts. Could Elgar Watts be their Elton Jantjies this year? He would get better front foot ball behind the Stormers pack and with all the bok centres around him he looks set to go. It`s really up to him now.

The Stormers will throw down with the Sharks for that coveted qualifying position in the super 15. Yes the Sharks have a very good record against them but a slightly less favourable draw. Would the Crusaders ultimately decide the fate of the Sharks and Stormers this year? Time will tell . . .

Possible starting XV:
Gio Aplon, Juan de Villiers, Jaque Fourie, Juan de Jongh, Brian Habana, Peter Grant, Dewaldt Duvenage, Duane Vermeulen, Francois Louw, Andries Bekker, Adriaan Fondse, Schalk Burger, Brok Harris, Tiaan Liebenberg, Wicus Blaauw.

Prediction: Second



48 Comments

  • Who is this guy posing as Original Pierre?

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.01.11 12:43:28 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • second in what? The SA conference, or overall?

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.01.11 12:48:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • The 2nd team below the Sharks, the 1st team below the Sharks will be the Bulls :grin:

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.01.11 12:56:39 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 3) : well, we live in hope

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.01.11 12:58:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : Have faith :wink: I have to admit that I’m a bit worried though.

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.01.11 13:05:15 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • I reckon Van Aswegan has more chance than Watts, quite keen to see how it unfolds.
    I like your prediction.

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.01.11 13:09:51 by molly Reply
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  • My prediction for the top 6 teams (wishfull thinking):
    1. Crusaders
    2. Bulls
    3. Waratahs
    4. Sharks
    5. Stormers
    6. Brumbies

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.01.11 13:11:59 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • do we have a close-to-finalised Stormers squad?

    I’d be worried about depth at prop, a third hooker, a fourth lock and scrumhalf generally…

    Who is the fourth prop? Moller, Harris, CJ…? Is it Blaauw? Is he fit? Liebenberg and Fourie are good hookers, but no third option really.
    As for lock, outside of Worms, Fondsie and Bekker, you’re into untested guys like Steenkamp.
    Plenty of good loosies, as always… challenge will be picking a balanced trio with the obvious fetchers not guaranteed a starting spot.

    Ricky and Dewald as scrummies… neither impresses me much.
    Good flyhalf options, but Grant will only arrive after the warmups, so might be some integration issues. Centres/wings/fullbacks a-plenty. The challenge there is how to fit them all in.

    Stormers look good, but will always have that question-mark over the front row.

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.01.11 13:19:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 7) : only 1 kiwi side? You’re dreaming, mate :)

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.01.11 13:20:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : Props would probably be: Blaauw, Harris, CJ and JC Kritzinger?

    Third Option hooker would be Shimmy Shimange.

    Not so sure what they gonna do at 9. Dewald of course but if something happens to him they`ll miss Hoffmann. :twisted:

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.01.11 13:33:35 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Sorry I was thinking 2nd SA conference.

    Unbiast reporting remember?

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.01.11 13:35:21 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : Then the Stormers will have to make space for the Blues.

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.01.11 13:41:22 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 11) : there’s a difference between “unbiased” and “wrong” :)

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.01.11 13:48:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 10) : I forgot about Kritzinger. Good prospect, but untested at this level.

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.01.11 13:49:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : Okay then.

    For the record I hope I`m wrong and Sharks make second at least.

    I`m just a bit worried when I look at our opposition compared to theirs.

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.01.11 13:53:38 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Kritzinger has been around for a while, untested is Buhle Mxunyelwa who is a beast of a dude and will probably hold is own if called upon.
    I agree hooker is a bit thing, Sidney Tobias is still a snotgat and no other name has really been mentioned.
    Scrumhalf we still; have the evergreen(drunk) Bolla Conradie and Robs favourite Louis Schroeder

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.01.11 13:55:59 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : He played Super Rugby in 2009 and 2010. He’ll be fine, I like him.

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.01.11 13:58:35 by molly Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 16) : Buhle, I always forget that dudes name, only had a couple runs off the bench in the CC.

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.01.11 14:01:43 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 18) : I know but at least he has been on the park, in the passed we’ve had some SLA guys on standby

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.01.11 14:05:08 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 18) : New Stormers site looks cool

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.01.11 14:06:43 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 17) : did he now? Must say, I keep confusing him with Coenie Oosthuizen.
    @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 16) : jinne, but Louis Schreuder is an average scrummie…

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.01.11 14:07:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 17) : Correct

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.01.11 14:11:22 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 22) : I know he’s highly-rated, but then again (and I mean this in the nicest way possible) it’s not unusual for WP players to be highly rated…

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.01.11 14:18:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : He really was a good TH which is why the decision to turn him into a loosehead more than a little mind boggling.

    Ask Guthro what a 19yr old Kritzinger did to him at Loftus.

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.01.11 14:23:16 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 20) : Ja… put that DHL logo in as few places as possible. How ugly is the new “I am a stormer” logo vibe??? Horrible!

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.01.11 14:31:08 by molly Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 24) : oh ho…. good stuff… I vaguely remember that.

    Ja, old Goodthrow has never really impressed me as a monster in the scrums, though.

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.01.11 14:38:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • SSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRR
    RRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.01.11 15:57:29 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 27) : stop messing up my website :twisted:

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.01.11 16:01:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Gurthro turned his scrumming around in 2010. I always felt he was not an aggressive scrummer and was happy to just hold up his side of the scrum without attacking the tighthead. In 2010 he was vastly improved, was packing down lower than he has in the past and was attacking the tighthead.

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.01.11 16:43:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 29) : ja true… actually meant to include “up until last year” in my comment

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.01.11 17:10:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : Not sure if your statement about the 4th lock was responded to somewhere in there but they do have De Kock Steenkamp (Wilhelm’s younger boet), presuming you have Anton van Zyl as their third lock.

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.01.11 17:26:51 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 31) : yes – do you rate De Kock? Can’t say I do, nased on what I’ve seen.

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.01.11 17:41:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • Waratahs & Hurricanes can count their lucky stars they’re not playing the Stormers.

    Beat both of them quite easily last year. Waratahs sommer twice. :twisted:

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.01.11 17:52:49 by McLovin Reply

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  • After last year, all of the kiwi sides must be dreading a trip to Cape Town. :razz:

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.01.11 17:56:29 by McLovin Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 31) : I think Van Zyl is a better 4 lock than Fondse.

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.01.11 18:15:19 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 35) : I agree. Worms is a beast of a man…

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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : He is also a better leader than Fondse. Van Zyl should be Bakkie’s backup for the Boks, in my opinion anyway.

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.01.11 18:47:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 37) : isn’t he older than Bakkies, though?

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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : I never thought of that, he is actually 6 months younger than Bakkies. I don’t know why I thought he was younger, perhaps because he was chosen as the uncapped player for the Baabaas, and the uncapped player is usually a youngster.

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.01.11 19:15:31 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 39) : he’s been around for years! Not a bad thing for a tight forward, of course, but not exactly a guy you want to start blooding into the test team now

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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : Completely agree with you. Just wondering why he was never used during the multiple times Bakkies was either out injured or suspended. Fully agree it is just too late for him at this point in his career. Although Ackermann played a role with the Boks while he was in his mid to late 30s.

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.01.11 19:22:32 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : Rob, any news on being able to watch Super Rugby video streaming?

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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 3) : BTW – I’ve checked – you’re gremlin!

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 41) : Big Anton van Zyl’s story is a bit like Willem Alberts’. They both looked to be useful Lions players but were always on the back foot in a struggling team that didn’t get results. After been around for a few years with the Lions he made a fairly high profile move to the W/Cape. He immediately backed up the confidence they showed by signing him by putting in some great performances alongside Chris Jack. I think if anything his height and physique kind of give the impression that he’s not a good jumper and the Boks have set a high standard for themselves in this setpiece in recent years. He’s also not a Brad Thorn type enforcer. But his performance at Twickenham was testimony to the depth we have in this country.

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.01.11 22:55:23 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : Rob I’ll keep my jury out on this one. I didn’t think much of Flip vd Merwe when he first played but as a Bull he’s made an about turn in my books. I’d give de Kock this season to prove himself. I think he’s on track to doing this. I’m mighty happy that his brother Wilhelm made the move to Vrystaat. He would have been wasted talent playing in the V/Cup. I think Hougaard should have considered making a similar short-term move to bolster his claims to a spot in the RWC as a no.9. As things stand I think he’s best hope is going to be a utility back.

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.01.11 23:04:38 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 45) : now I know you want to give these okes the benefit of the doubt – and I applaud that – but I haven’t seen anything in either Steenkamp brother to make me think they’ve got what it takes. I agree that Flip didn’t look great at Free State either, though and has turned it around at the Bulls, but Wilhelm in particular has had ample chance to shine and (to my mind) hasn’t done so.

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.01.11 00:06:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • Stormers are in trouble at flyhalve already. Grant looks set to miss the first 2 matches. If you factor in their bye . . . their management slipped up somewhere?

    So here is my proposal : Lets offer them one of our flyhalves . . ( Cronje ) and borrow Whitehead for the season? :twisted:

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.01.11 12:20:51 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 27) : Will I see you and Claytie at newlands friday ?

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